D-BOL/TEST E CYCLE DETAILED LOG. First Cycle

[cslp2002]

NOVEMBER 2007

[cslp2002]

MARCH 2009

[BIG_TRUCK]

You have to eat more, not take drugs.

You are very skinny.

You should be able to gain 20lbs more muscle naturally. *even if you are a hard gainer*

[cslp2002]

Thanks for pointing that out. Lol.
I know bro. Im eating more than i ever have before.
And im fixing to take the next step and start eating more.

[cslp2002]

Im listening to every thing everyone is telling me . I should have posted before cycle. But the fact is i have already started and im dedicated. Now i may not get the gains i should out of it but ill be damned if i dont get any. Im working my ass off and fixing to be even more at this point to make this happen. Ill honestly be happy if i just put on 15-20 pounds and keep 10. That would be a satisfaction to me knowing now how unprepared i was coming into this.

But i am going to dedicate myself to the max and finish this thing out right.

Any suggestions to help make this a more quality experience please feel free to post.

But i want to thank those of you who have messaged me telling me what i can and cant do to make this better.

I know everyone wants me to just quit but im not going to just stop. Iv taken a step forward, wich was probably in the wrong walking shoe, but fact is im gonna make the best out of it.

Thanks again guys for all the help so far.

[maxneo553]

i think you should wait a little longer but ill be reading

[cslp2002]

Workout consisted as follows.

Chest-

10 degree Decline Press- 3 sets (8-10 reps)

10 degree Incline Press- 2 sets (8-10 reps)



Shoulders-

Dumbbell over head shoulder presses- 3 sets (8-10 reps)

Lateral raises- 2 sets (8-10 reps)



Lats-

Medium/wide grip pull-ups or lat pull-downs- 3 sets (8-10 reps)

Close grip pull downs (plams facing each other)- 2 sets (8-10 reps)

Barbell rows to lower stomach 3 sets- (8-10 reps)

Barbell rows to mid/upper stomach-2 sets (8-10 reps)


Traps-

Seated Dumbbell shrugs-3 sets (8-10 reps)



Abs-

Crunches-2 sets for 15-50 reps


Next Shot of Test E is Tomorrow

Still no sides.

[D7M]

^so you did chest, delts and back and traps all in one day?

[wukillabee]

Fu@k it, ur not gonna quit and i hate to see a bro go in head first without help. Lets start with the basics:
1. Describe exactly what u r eating on a daily basis and exactly what times of the day. Then let me know exactly what times of the day you are available to eat a meal and ill see what i can do for u there.
2. Are you still doing full body workouts? If so then this cycle will be a waste bro. Do you go to the gym or just use weights at home? If at home, do u have access to a full size gym or 24hr fitness since u work odd hours?
3. What else are you taking besides test/dbol ? I mean supps like any fish oil, multi-v, anything?
4. How much sleep r u getting each night of the week? Is there any particuler night where u can get more sleep than others?
Try to answer my questions the best u can and ill do my best to help u in these areas. Im no pro of course but i know what works and the basic fundamentals so i should be able to help u out pretty good bro. Let me know.

[BIG_TRUCK]

Hey Clsp there is someone your size who ran a cycle.

He is seriousmass, he posted in here downing you.

But honestly you have better muscle shape than him so don't feel like your the only one to jump on aas to soon.

Just continue to train hard and eat right, and you will grow.

[cslp2002]

Wukillabee!!! this is for you im going to do my best.

7 am 2 bowls of oatmeal/1 apple/1 cup apple cause.

10am whey bolic xtreme 60 shake/apple/gronala bar

12pm lunch varies because i work in the plant.One day ill have a footlong meatball sandwich on wheat then the next could be grilled chicken and green beans it just varies to be honest.

3pm whey bolic extreme 60 shake/apple/slices of grilled chicken.

6pm dinner usually consists of 1 meat and two veggies/no set diet

9pm shake before bed.

Workout i am following is what ronnie rowland on here told me to do.

monday on tues off wed on then friday i repeat mondays workout and so on here is an example monday workout.

Chest-

10 degree Decline Press- 3 sets (8-10 reps)

10 degree Incline Press- 2 sets (8-10 reps)



Shoulders-

Dumbbell over head shoulder presses- 3 sets (8-10 reps)

Lateral raises- 2 sets (8-10 reps)



Lats-

Medium/wide grip pull-ups or lat pull-downs- 3 sets (8-10 reps)

Close grip pull downs (plams facing each other)- 2 sets (8-10 reps)

Barbell rows to lower stomach 3 sets- (8-10 reps)

Barbell rows to mid/upper stomach-2 sets (8-10 reps)


Traps-

Seated Dumbbell shrugs-3 sets (8-10 reps)



Abs-

Crunches-2 sets for 15-50 reps

I do not have access or time for the gym till may when i get this job finished. I have a set of selectech dumbbells from bowflexx and a adjustable nautilus bench.

Supplements consist of the following.

Cycle= 10 Weeks
D-Bol= 50 mg/Day- 4 Weeks
Test E= 250mg Per Week
Letrozole = 1/2 cc EOD
Gen-F20= 2 Per Day
Gabba-O= 2 Per Day
T-911= 2 Per Day
WheyBolic Extreme 60=2 Shackes a day/ 3 on workout days.
Fish Oil once a day pill

I work from 6 am to 7 pm then get to bed about 10 at the latest after eating and workout. Then get back up at 530.

I work 7 days a week since January and will till the end in may. So getting more sleep on a particular day is not possible.

So as you can see im trying to put the best amount of effort into this as possible being in the situation im in.

If your going to suggest other workouts please be specific as to using dumbbells only please thats all i have.

And diet suggestions please keep in mind budget please.

I appreciate you taking time out to help me out.

[cslp2002]

Ok so last night i bumped shot up to 1 1/2 cc= 375 mg of test E, seeing as i just took a shot Wednesday of 250.

I took it in the right side of ass, and this morning i am sore, no swelling no major pain. A little discomfort last night when trying to sleep, but again i havent ever shot that much at one time,this could also have something to do with it. With that said, its fine and im feeling good. I do tend to get drowsy in between 10am and noon the last 2 days but it goes right away after i eat lunch.

Keep in mind im also dosing .5 ml of Letrozole daily. I have been told anymore than that can actually interfere with my cycle results.

[cslp2002]

BIG TRUCK I just wanted to thank you for taking time out also. I know and i am trying and putting the effort that i can into this to make it work. YES i admit i should have waited longer before starting, but the fact is i didn't and now i am going to make the best of it instead of just giving up, or not putting fourth the effort.

[cslp2002]

My Intake of Calories is 4000 plus daily.

Protein is usually 160-175/ i think im going to try to improve this to 200 or so daily also.

[wukillabee]

On my cells web browser right now so ill comment 100% later tonite when i get home. Just off hand id say start with this.
1. Whey shake right when u wake up with breakfast and again asap after working out, ur 60grams is a little high, try 40grams per shake, save u some cash too.
2. You want 1.5-2grams of protien per lb of bodyweight, bulking id say 2 and cutting u could get away with 1.5. When counting this you DO NOT count shakes but only protein from whole foods.
3. Since u got wack equipment to work with id say ur gonna lean up on this cycle no matter how hard u try to bulk cus u dont have heavy weights to lift. U gotta lift big and eat big to get big, period.
4. U didnt say what your pre-workout or your post-workout meals are, those are really important. Personally i think the 2 most important meals of the day.
5. That workout plan is a joke, id give that to my kid sister to tone up. 2 excercises for chest r u kidding me? Also, im sure like 90% of us your upper chest lags more than any other area of your chest so id do incline excercises first when your the strongest to focus more there. If you gave us more than a back pic then we could help u out more there. Maybe a front double bi, crab pose, and side pose, look them up on how to do them if u dont know what im talking about.
Other than that for right now good luck bro. I can already tell you that you need to eat more FOOD, apples and granola bars arent gonna cut it bro. Hit me back with this and ill try to go in more detail when im infront of a computer. Suggestions on food is set a day or two aside, maybe your off days, and cook all your food for the next 4-5 days. Put the food in containers, carry a lunch box with ur meals everyday to work. Thats what i do and im sure many on here do bro. Cant rely on the cafeteria to get your proper food intake, only rely on yourself!

[cslp2002]

Ok yea im interested to hear about your ideas.

So ill be looking forward to your reply tonight.

If you could line me out with a 3 or 4 day workout with what i have.

Label each workout and what day and number of sets.

But this workout came from the weight lifting questions forum (slingshot training)

[cslp2002]

Ok total for the day.

6200 Calories
207 Protein including shakes.

[cslp2002]

weighed in tonight at 8 pm at 165 even.

[wukillabee]

Ok total for the day.

6200 Calories
207 Protein including shakes.

Shakes dont count remember. I cant keep giving u advice if ur not gonna listen bro. Think of the shakes as an added bonus maybe that really doesnt count towards your daily intake. Minus the shakes and youll see that your protein intake is a fraction of where it needs to be to grow. Start cooking bro or go to the frozen food section and look at the biggest size meals and look at all the nutritional facts to find the ones with highest protein and lowest salt/sodium content. Thats of course a last resort only. Still its better than nothing, pretty much where you're at right now.

[Reed]

wow everything in here is just messed up

[wukillabee]

wow everything in here is just messed up

I know, im trying to clean it up. I think even after cleaning up the mess its still gonna be a mess. Can't just leave someone hangin though so tryin my best buts its hard when he doesn't listen.

[lovex]

The cycle - D-Bol/Test E 250/mg/ml / Letrozole 1/2cc/EOD Gen-f20=2 Per Day Gabba-O =2 Per Day T-911 =2 Per Day.

Cycle= 10 Weeks
D-Bol= 50 mg/Day- 4 Weeks
Test E= 250mg Per Week
Letrozole= 1/2 cc EOD
Gen-F20= 2 Per Day
Gabba-O= 2 Per Day
T-911= 2 Per Day
WheyBolic Extreme 60=2 Shackes a day/ 3 on workout days.



Diet -

* 4-5 meals daily
* 600-800 cals/meal
* fruits
* veggies
* lean meats
* H2O (about a gallon)
* walnuts
* flax seed


Stats -

* 6'1"
* 156 lbs
* 10% bf


Training -

* full body 4 days/week (usually MTTHF)
* reps- 3x8 heavy 2 exercises for each major body part.
* more details as far as exercises and such as soon as I start logging


Goals -

* sub 10% bf
* substantial increase in muscle size & strength (15-30 lean lbs of muscle, 40 pounds on all major lifts)


Pics -
coming soon!

test e 25o mg/perweek is way too less
make 500mgperweek ..with 2 shots(Mon/thrursday)
10 weeks is too less atleast 12 weeks

PCT is verz imp ..without it u will loose most of your gains and end up having more fat that muscles

diet need to be optimised

[cslp2002]

PCT is verz imp?? What is this has anyone used this. I was going to go with clomid and nolvadex .

[PittBoy]

Ok total for the day.

6200 Calories
207 Protein including shakes.

Wow....I don't think I could even put down that many calories. Good job man!

Check this link....has all the info you need including links to proper PCT http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=368656

[lovex]

PCT is verz imp?? What is this has anyone used this. I was going to go with clomid and nolvadex.

2 weeks after your last injection you have to start post cycle therapy

Nova/clomid
40/20/20/20
100/50/50/50

if u want to know more about PCT ...there r nice threads go and read.

Once again Test E 250mg/Week is tooooo less
increase to 400 ~500mg/week.It must 2 shots a WEEK.
http://www.steroid.com/novicecycle1.php

Dont use Letro in CYCLE on if u see any gyno effects..then use it
regarding gyno there r nice threads read it .

As u r already in cycle all I say read infos..
good luck

[cslp2002]

PittBoy thanks bro. Yea it is hard taking that much in but it will be worth it. I really need to start taking in more protein so i moved to bacon and 8 oz chicken and brown rice throughout the day on top of my original diet.

Thanks for the link.

[cslp2002]

My test dose for last week was, 250 Wednesday and 375 sunday so last week i had 625/mg.

Now i have been advised to take one shot every six days at 500mg or 2cc.

I have a family member that's been on cycle for 4 years on and off and he said letro has been great at .05 a day that's = to one and a half drops.

[cslp2002]

he has only been using the letro for a little under 2 years.

[cslp2002]

New weight= 166 Today. Not seeing it yet but im feeling it. Im only a little over a week in so im sure ill start seeing it in 2 weeks or so. I have to let my body adjust.


Intake for the day is as follows.

Calories=5586

Protein=304 g


Workout consisted as follows.

Chest-

10 degree Decline Press- 3 sets (8-10 reps)

10 degree Incline Press- 2 sets (8-10 reps)



Shoulders-

Dumbbell over head shoulder presses- 3 sets (8-10 reps)

Lateral raises- 2 sets (8-10 reps)



Lats-

Medium/wide grip pull-ups or lat pull-downs- 3 sets (8-10 reps)

Close grip pull downs (plams facing each other)- 2 sets (8-10 reps)

Barbell rows to lower stomach 3 sets- (8-10 reps)

Barbell rows to mid/upper stomach-2 sets (8-10 reps)


Traps-

Seated Dumbbell shrugs-3 sets (8-10 reps)



Abs-

Crunches-2 sets for 15-50 reps

[D7M]

Now i have been advised to take one shot every six days at 500mg or 2cc.

who advised this? someone here?

and you're still doing too much in one work out. I think I've said this like 3 times in this thread.

2 body parts per workout is plenty.

[cslp2002]

The Slingshot Training System

This is where my workout came from.

Also last night when i was lifting i had a sharp pain in the top of my arm right were it meets the shoulder.

its gone this morning but it was pretty bad. When i benched i didnt feel anything but when i picked up dumbbells and let them hang by my side it feels like its pulling something.

Then when i did lateral raises i felt it pretty bad.

[PittBoy]

^^^I think you are doing to much in your workouts too.

More doesn't always equal more. To get the most out of what you are doing I'd stick

with 2 bodyparts per workout and try and pair them up like Chest/Tri and Back/Bi

I think you'd make some better progress with a nice 4 day split IMO

[D7M]

My question was directed towards shooting every six days.

why?

bad idea. every 3 days, bro.

[cslp2002]

Oh ok my bad i thought you were referring to the workout.

I spoke to a few people on here and other forums.

Taking it 2 times a week only stabalizes blood plasma levels a little better and helps reduce side effects.

I took the one big shot and had the same feeling as before nothing changed so that is why im going with once a week.

"twice a week will keep hormone fluctuations more stable which will keep sides a bit lower "

[D7M]

"twice a week will keep hormone fluctuations more stable which will keep sides a bit lower "

yes, you're right.

so, why wouldn't you want more stable blood levels and reduced sides?

and, yes, I do think the workout is a bit much for your training level.

[cslp2002]

Blood levels mean pretty much nothing with the exception of potential more sides with one shot.

Blood levels in men are never stable in regards to testosterone , the circadian rythem dictates this.
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[cslp2002]

You produce about 49mg a week or 7 mg a day of test on average, some more some less, but close to that.

The equivalence to this for men on replacement therapy is 100mg of testosterone cypionate a week.
Now beings that guys are shooting from 400 to 500mg a week, you are far outside the normal limits of base values, by up to 5 times.
Mg for mg the weekly dose is the same.
Keeping the blood levels more stable wont give you more gains than shooting once a week, or ED, just more chances of scar tissue with more frequent jabs.
Now because the bigger dose will spike a bit higher there could be more chance of more aromatization, but most should be running an AI anyway.
The body does not even keep blood levels stable, circadian rhythm spikes testosterone in the morning and T levels climb and fall all day long, so even in normal men it is not stable.
So, this is why shooting more frequent does nothing for more gains but promotes more scar tissue.

In men using Testosterone replacement therapy, the newer stuff of testosterone is super long using undeconate ester, this you can shoot every 6 weeks or every 2 months.

It doesn’t matter unless you are shooting 100mg or less a week, or you are shooting grams a week where you cant hit just one site to get it all in.

[D7M]

and where did you copy and past this from?

[cslp2002]

Some of it is from knowledge bro. Some was pasted from a message i got in response to my question.

[cslp2002]

The reason im sticking with the 1 time a week of 500 mg is that my sides arent bad at all and havent changed from one or the other.