1st ever cycle - Test E/ Dbol

[MacLean]

Cycle Log

STATS
Age 25
Lifted for 4 years
5ft 11inch
Weight: 178lbs
BF 17%
Start date: 9th January

I'll update pictures weekly
Criticisms welcomed!

Cycle
Weeks 1-4 Dbol 20mg each day
Weeks 1-10 - 500mg Test E (Jag on Monday & Thursday)
Cycle start date: 9th January 2012

PCT
Clomid: 100/100/50/50
Nolva: 40/40/20/20
Arimidex : 0.5 As and when required

Monday - Chest/Triceps
Tuesday - Back/Biceps
Wednesday - Cardio
Thursday - Legs/Shoulders
Friday - Fullbody
Saturday - Fullbody
Sunday - off

Cardio
1hour - 1hour 15 mins @ 65% mhr

Chest/Triceps
Bench 4 set of 8
Incline bench 3 sets of 8
Incline db 3 sets of 8
Flat db 4 sets of 8
Close grip bench 3 sets of 8
Weighted dips 3 sets of 8
One arm extensions 3 sets of 8

Back/Biceps
Barbell rows 4 sets of 8
Db rows 3 sets of 8
Lat pulldowns 3 sets of 8
Deadlifts 4 sets of 8
Barbell curls 3 sets of 8
Preacher curls 3 sets of 8
Incline curls 3 sets of 8

Legs/Shoulders
Squats 4 sets of 8
Front squats 3 sets of 8
Lunges 3 sets of 8
Stiff leg deads 4 sets of 8
Military press 3 sets of 8
Db press 3 sets of 8
Side laterals 3 sets of 8

Fullbody
Power cleans 3 set of 8
Bench 3 sets of 8
Barbell rows 3 sets of 8
Military press 3 sets of 8
Deadlifts 3 sets of 8
Squats 3 sets of 8



Breakfast kcal Protein Carbs Fat

2 eggs 234 24g 37g 3.8g
45g oats 302 24g 27.2g 2.4g
Cup milk 125 8.8g 12.5g 4g

Total 661 56.8g 76.7g 10.2g

Lunch
Banana 115 1.6g 27 0.49g
Tin tuna 113 27g 0g 0.5g
30g nuts 170 7g 5g 15g

Total 398 35.6g 32g 16g


Pre workout
2 Slice Bread 290 11g 36g 8.5g
50g Peanut 290 14.8g 5.8g 23g
1x Banana 105 1.3g 27g 0.4g

Total 685 27.1g 68.8g 31.9g


Post workout

100g Oats 356 11g 81g 8g
Shake (30g) 249 31.3g 15.4g 6.5g

Total 605 42.3g 96.4g 14.5g


Dinner

150g Chicken Breast 150 36g 0g 1.5g
30g Brown Rice 38 1g 7g 0.5g
100g Mixed Veg 39 2.4g 5.4g 0.4g

Total 227 39.4g 12.4g 2.4g


Pre-bed

Peanut b.s 361 14.6g 40.2g 14.4g
Shake 249 31.3g 15.4g 6.5g

Total 610 45.9g 55.6g 20.9g


Totals 3186 kcal 247.1g protein 314.9g carbs 95.9g fat

[gearbox]

look into having an ai on hand during your cycle...keep us posted

[MacLean]

look into having an ai on hand during your cycle...keep us posted

PCT
Clomid : 100/100/50/50
Nolva: 40/40/20/20
Arimidex : 0.5 As and when required

I have Arimidex on hand incase any Gyno problems occur.

Thanks

[OnTheSauce]

adex isnt for if symptoms occur. by then, you need a serm. start adex at .25mg eod and adjust accordingly.

[MacLean]

adex isnt for if symptoms occur. by then, you need a serm. start adex at .25mg eod and adjust accordingly.

Will do, thanks mate

[BR0DIE]

I like the idea of having the 2 full body days aswell.

[rippedfromabove]

Keep us up to date brother!! Inerested in this

[YrRndFit21]

Looking forward to seeing the results!

[MacLean]

Keep us up to date brother!! Inerested in this

Looking forward to seeing the results!

Will do guys, 3 weeks until start date. Itching to get started

[dooie]

No one has said anything about a straight test cycle!!!! Why are u adding DBol ?? U know u should only do test first right?

What are ur goals for this cycle?

Depending on ur goals, i would up the protein and lower your carbs!

[MacLean]

No one has said anything about a straight test cycle!!!! Why are u adding DBol ?? U know u should only do test first right?

What are ur goals for this cycle?

Depending on ur goals, i would up the protein and lower your carbs!

I'm taking dbol because i'm f***ing nuts, and I want the biggest results for my first cycle.

Test obviously takes say 4-6 weeks to kick in, I want to be able to see results before that. Dbol is to kickstart my cycle, don't you know that?

[ghettoboyd]

I like the idea of having the 2 full body days aswell.

i dissagree and think its overkill imho...if you hit every bodypart hard the first time through that should be enough...it is harder to overtrain on gear but it can still happen...remember we grow when we rest and i dont see much rest in that 6 day a week routine, just sayin'...goodluck bro...

[MacLean]

i dissagree and think its overkill imho...if you hit every bodypart hard the first time through that should be enough...it is harder to overtrain on gear but it can still happen...remember we grow when we rest and i dont see much rest in that 6 day a week routine, just sayin'...goodluck bro...

Thanks man. Yeah, I've cut both full day workouts out since posting this thread. Thanks for the advice man

[ghettoboyd]

No one has said anything about a straight test cycle!!!! Why are u adding DBol ?? U know u should only do test first right?

What are ur goals for this cycle?

Depending on ur goals, i would up the protein and lower your carbs!

thats because dbol is accepted as a kickstart to even a beginer cycle cus you will be done with it by the time the test kicks in....

[ghettoboyd]

adex isnt for if symptoms occur. by then, you need a serm. start adex at .25mg eod and adjust accordingly.

if you start an ai as soon as symptoms start up and before gyno has started then an ai is fine...if gyno has reared it ugly head then yes you should use a serm...

[MacLean]

thats because dbol is exepted as a kickstart to even a beginer cycle cus you will be done with it by the time the test kicks in....

if you start an ai as soon as symptoms start up and before gyno has started then an ai is fine...if gyno has reared it ugly head then yes you should use a serm...

Somebody who knows what they're talking about...finally

[dooie]

I'm taking dbol because i'm f***ing nuts, and I want the biggest results for my first cycle.

IMO in the long run, you will get the same results weather you add it or not mate.

What r ur goals from this cycle??

I would fix your diet bro! Get rid of the milk and bread for starters

[MacLean]

IMO in the long run, you will get the same results weather you add it or not mate.

What r ur goals from this cycle??

I would fix your diet bro! Get rid of the milk and bread for starters

I am using Dbol because I want to see the results, I'll be able to feel the pump and lift more on Dbol, where as I would only start to feel a difference 4-6 weeks into a test only cycle.

This is a bulking cycle, not a cutting cycle. Why would I want to take out the carbs in milk/bread?

Have you ever used aas?

[boxa06]

IMO in the long run, you will get the same results weather you add it or not mate.

What r ur goals from this cycle??

I would fix your diet bro! Get rid of the milk and bread for starters

I agree your diet needs heaps of work! You need to have a look in the nutrition section and maybe post it up for critique. Also I wouldn't begin until bf is under 15% but I recon if you clean up your diet you will drop bf pretty quickly.

[dooie]

I am using Dbol because I want to see the results, I'll be able to feel the pump and lift more on Dbol, where as I would only start to feel a difference 4-6 weeks into a test only cycle.

This is a bulking cycle, not a cutting cycle. Why would I want to take out the carbs in milk/bread?

Have you ever used aas?

Ur asked to be critiqued didn't you? So I was only asking for your goals and why u were adding the tabs, simple as that, don't get defensive!

If u don't want my help just say so, but sooner or later someone will come here and tell u to change your diet, coz it's not the best bro!
U need more whole foods, just my opinion, I'll be watching this thread anyway

[MacLean]

Thanks bro, will keep you updated

[dooie]

Thanks bro, will keep you updated

Why does your profile say your 21??
Everyone should of seen this before they gave you cycle advice!!

[dooie]

Why does your profile say your 21??
Everyone should of seen this before they gave you cycle advice!!

This and also, from your pics you posted in the diet section, you are not 17% BF, ppl in there told you, you were over 20!!
Also from your pic, u look a lot heavier than 178 pounds!

ALSO, people told you your gear is bunk!

WTF BRO!!!???!!!!!

[MacLean]

This and also, from your pics you posted in the diet section, you are not 17% BF, ppl in there told you, you were over 20!!
Also from your pic, u look a lot heavier than 178 pounds!

ALSO, people told you your gear is bunk!

WTF BRO!!!???!!!!!

1) I made this thread before posting the picture.

2) I am 178lbs.

3) You say "people". One member said my gear is fake. One person tells you something, do you believe them? I know for a fact my Test is legit.

4) I posted my age in a hurry on my profile and don't know how to change it, I am 25yo, 26 on January 5th. I accept cash only, no cheques.

Anything else you want to f***ing moan about mate?

[MacLean]

I agree your diet needs heaps of work! You need to have a look in the nutrition section and maybe post it up for critique. Also I wouldn't begin until bf is under 15% but I recon if you clean up your diet you will drop bf pretty quickly.

Thanks boxa, Is there any 'medical' reason why pepole with +15%bf should not cycle? Or is it just no consistency with training/dieting etc?

Btw, saw your thread, looking good bro!

[randymeans]

Id cut some fat so you'll be 15% or under, people say it helps with sides. Do you feel like you've maxed your natural goals? I'm 4" shorter and weigh almost 20lbs more than you. I don't think you should start now honestly but your a grown man so best of luck. Its gonna be the longest 4-5 weeks of your life lol

[MacLean]

The sides don't bother me haha, however stupid that sounds, do you think the fat will interfere in any other way? If it does, that's fair enough, I'm out the game until I'm sub 15%! . I reckon I have enough to combat them. Arimidex , Nolvadex , Clomid, Finasteride etc. 4-5 weeks for what haha!?

[boxa06]

Thanks boxa, Is there any 'medical' reason why pepole with +15%bf should not cycle? Or is it just no consistency with training/dieting etc?

Btw, saw your thread, looking good bro!

Being over 15% raises chances of side effects.. I would just work on that diet and you'll be amazed how much of an impact it'll have on your physique. You could fix it now and be under 15% easily by the time you plan to start.

Thanks man! You could even copy my diet from my thread if you wanted lol

[randymeans]

4 to 5 weeks before the test really kicks, I'm almost at week 5 and I don't think I'm feeling the full effect just yet! Some people say it just kicks one day but mine is very gradual,but I know its real and its about to hit me hard within this next week. Some people front load with double dose so maybe that will help,but idk for sure!

[MacLean]

4 to 5 weeks before the test really kicks, I'm almost at week 5 and I don't think I'm feeling the full effect just yet! Some people say it just kicks one day but mine is very gradual,but I know its real and its about to hit me hard within this next week. Some people front load with double dose so maybe that will help,but idk for sure!

Ahh alright. Yeah, I'm kicksstarting with 4 weeks of dbol so should start to feel it pretty quickly haha!

[MacLean]

Being over 15% raises chances of side effects.. I would just work on that diet and you'll be amazed how much of an impact it'll have on your physique. You could fix it now and be under 15% easily by the time you plan to start.

Thanks man! You could even copy my diet from my thread if you wanted lol

How about running Arimidex at 0.5mg from day one?

[boxa06]

How about running Arimidex at 0.5mg from day one?

You could do but then because it's your first cycle you don't know if it's gonna lower you estrogen levels too much. That then causes fatigue, low labido etc.. The diet above isn't even a good diet to build muscle. You need more whole food, chicken, beef, egg whites, more complex carbs instead of simple.

[boxa06]

Cycle Log

Breakfast kcal Protein Carbs Fat

2 eggs 234 24g 37g 3.8g more egg whites and 2 eggs don't have 37g carbs last time I checked
45g oats 302 24g 27.2g 2.4g bigger bowl of oats
Cup milk 125 8.8g 12.5g 4g forget the milk

Total 661 56.8g 76.7g 10.2g

Lunch
Banana 115 1.6g 27 0.49g drop simple add complex
Tin tuna 113 27g 0g 0.5g larger tin of tuna
30g nuts 170 7g 5g 15g drop this

Total 398 35.6g 32g 16g


Pre workout
2 Slice Bread 290 11g 36g 8.5g
50g Peanut 290 14.8g 5.8g 23g this meal needs to be completely changed
1x Banana 105 1.3g 27g 0.4g Chicken with sweet potato or whole wheat pasta?

Total 685 27.1g 68.8g 31.9g


Post workout

100g Oats 356 11g 81g 8g
Shake (30g) 249 31.3g 15.4g 6.5g

Total 605 42.3g 96.4g 14.5g


Dinner

150g Chicken Breast 150 36g 0g 1.5g
30g Brown Rice 38 1g 7g 0.5g
100g Mixed Veg 39 2.4g 5.4g 0.4g

Total 227 39.4g 12.4g 2.4g


Pre-bed

Peanut b.s 361 14.6g 40.2g 14.4g I don't know where th carbs are coming from but drop them!
Shake 249 31.3g 15.4g 6.5g this meal can be protein and fat only

Total 610 45.9g 55.6g 20.9g


Totals 3186 kcal 247.1g protein 314.9g carbs 95.9g fat

Some suggestion for you. Your macros seem a bit wrong for the food you're listing. I'd also like to see more veggies in your diet.

[dooie]

This is a bulking cycle, not a cutting cycle. Why would I want to take out the carbs in milk/bread?

Have you ever used aas?

Why are you doing a bulking cycle at 20% BF???

[ghettoboyd]

4 to 5 weeks before the test really kicks, I'm almost at week 5 and I don't think I'm feeling the full effect just yet! Some people say it just kicks one day but mine is very gradual,but I know its real and its about to hit me hard within this next week. Some people front load with double dose so maybe that will help,but idk for sure!

i think peeps expect way to much from a test only cycle...its not like your going to wake up one day and be superman with limmitless energy and inhuman streanth gains so if you think its going to hit you hard then be prepared for a dissapointment....in my experiance it is more of a gradual thing...although we are all different so id like to hear how it goes for you...do you have a thread here so as to not hyjack this one?....

[MacLean]

You could do but then because it's your first cycle you don't know if it's gonna lower you estrogen levels too much. That then causes fatigue, low labido etc.. The diet above isn't even a good diet to build muscle. You need more whole food, chicken, beef, egg whites, more complex carbs instead of simple.

Some suggestion for you. Your macros seem a bit wrong for the food you're listing. I'd also like to see more veggies in your diet.

Thanks a lot mate, much appreciated. Will adjust the diet

Why are you doing a bulking cycle at 20% BF???

I am going to Zante, in Greece, in May for 5 months. I plan on doing a cut when I am out there

i think peeps expect way to much from a test only cycle...its not like your going to wake up one day and be superman with limmitless energy and inhuman streanth gains so if you think its going to hit you hard then be prepared for a dissapointment....in my experiance it is more of a gradual thing...although we are all different so id like to hear how it goes for you...do you have a thread here so as to not hyjack this one?....

He has a cutting thread up, here it is

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...e#.TvH4SNSDtVs

Thanks bro

[BR0DIE]

I am going to Zante, in Greece, in May for 5 months. I plan on doing a cut when I am out there

Im going too jobra, i'll cut with you haha