20 Yr Old First Cycle - Test Prop/ Dbol

[pdp19]

today was 3rd pin and man worst pain yet! Did it in the right delt again and I cannot lift my arm now its so painful!

Smashed back today felt really good ... but havent noticed a difference in pump or strength yet.

Looks like il have to find other sites as suggested... might try quads. Would it be wiser to split 75mg in each quad to reduce swelling??? casue I neeed to be able to walk properly and work out.

I have chest tommorow but how am I going to do this when in this pain.. How many pins until the muscle adapts??

[puzzler]

youre crazy huge! and at 20 years old thats crazy shizit ! why on earth would you want to take steroids at such a young age when you already look so impressive ! your gains will only get bigger if you stay natural for the next few year, you have the body that people turn to using gear so why start on it ?! youre already massive!

[puzzler]

test prop has been said to be one of the most painful types of steroids , even for advanced users its very hard and never recommended for new users
props for having the guts to try something so hardcore though

[little men]

Looks like il have to find other sites as suggested... might try quads. Would it be wiser to split 75mg in each quad to reduce swelling??? casue I neeed to be able to walk properly and work out.

when i do quads i have a small limp that night and next day with prop, did my left quad the other day and no pain or limp for the first time so the muscle must be used to it now, in my experience after 3 or 4 pins the pain is less and less, having said that ive also been doing my delts and have no problems at all, just slight discomfort but then again all my previous cycles have gone into delts so their not virgin muscle

[pdp19]

youre crazy huge! and at 20 years old thats crazy shizit ! why on earth would you want to take steroids at such a young age when you already look so impressive ! your gains will only get bigger if you stay natural for the next few year, you have the body that people turn to using gear so why start on it ?! youre already massive!

Thanks bro!, i worked hard lol.. I am going for a bigger physique and have decided a light 8 week cycle wont be of harm.. Thats why Iv devoted myself 300% to get the base that I have.

As for the prop i agree.. The pain is unreal .. I keep saying it but dam. I think its cause iv never had an injection in my life! Hope i get used to it soon. Its too early 4 me to feel any effects yet right?? casue i dont feel different.

[pdp19]

when i do quads i have a small limp that night and next day with prop, did my left quad the other day and no pain or limp for the first time so the muscle must be used to it now, in my experience after 3 or 4 pins the pain is less and less, having said that ive also been doing my delts and have no problems at all, just slight discomfort but then again all my previous cycles have gone into delts so their not virgin muscle

If i get the same pain in my quad as I do in my delt I couldnt perform everyday tasks. Im hoping the pain gets less soon ha. Have you tried chest? I was considering that but dont know how far to go in.

[little men]

If i get the same pain in my quad as I do in my delt I couldnt perform everyday tasks. Im hoping the pain gets less soon ha. Have you tried chest? I was considering that but dont know how far to go in.

if you pin quads on your leg workout day make sure you pin right b4 your workout cos it will hurt soon after i can promise you, i havnt got the balls to try chest but then again your chest is more developed than mine, wouldnt know how far to go in, on my last cycle i tried a calf inj but hurt like hell so i stick to delts and quads.

Ive done 2ml into quads on prev cycle with no problem so no need to split into smaller doses, i think the pain will be the same especially with the prop, ive shot sus 250, test enan and tren enen into quads and they are like not even pinning compared to prop

share your diet and workout if you can, would love to follow it myself, always looking to learn from others who have been successful at building a good physique

[OnTheSauce]

ive never used delts; but my quad and glute took 2cc without any issue.

[pdp19]

Thanks all for the info,

Before I go on i really need knowledgeable advice in regards to what I'm experiencing atm. Where I did my third pin (right delt) has become a red and swollen area which is hot on contact. Not swollen to the degree that it is bulging out everywhere but I can defiantly notice it. The redness/swelling has spread down to my side bicep/tricep area . All my definition has been lost obv due to the swelling. Pain wise my arm is ok but delt feels like mush I cant touch it the slightest!

Is this a normal reaction to prop? I went all the way in with a 1inch... Is it 100% that all the oil has been absorbed as it should and the swelling is just water/inflamation? Last thing i want is for this to be the oil and a whole shot wasted and cycle thrown out.

[pdp19]

Just done 4th pin in left delt and feels not as painful as the first time. I massaged it vigorously afterwards and had a hot shower.
I can honestly say i feel no difference at all. And am actually weaker at the gym. Is this just me still adapting? hope I feel it soon.

As for my diet and training regimes I haven't added them because they simply don't exist. I eat every 2 hours - 40g protein and 20g carbs approx per meal.. I average around 450g per day of protein.
As for training I have never had a workout split.. all I know on the day is what body part to hit. If im doing legs and heavy squats are killing me with every set I just continue to squat up to 12-14 sets of them until I feel they have had enough. Switching exercises for the sake of it is bewildering to me. If the exercise you are doing hurts ALOT with every set, keep doing it. This would fluctuate during pre contest prep.

[alexISthrowed]

I really just want do do delts , its so painful. I can't even lift my ARM horizontally. Cheers glad u realised I was not bullshitting. Yeah I competed once earlier in 2011 and won .

Your not going to be able to just do delts, you will need at least 3-4 sites. I do triceps, delts, glutes, and quads. You will get used to it in a few weeks and the pain will be much more tolerable.

[t-gunz]

as mentioned rotate those sites as much as you can. scar tissue can build up and will be painful to inject there for rest of ur life cycling.

i so lats delts, glutes, quads. gives me enough time to give the muscle a rest

[pdp19]

okkkkkk..... Last night was very different. I woke up in the middle of the night to get a shake and my forearms where throbbing kinda like when u get a huge pump.... i could feel a slight pump but not so much as the sensation I was feeling. Everything is normal now in the morning.


Weight difference: + 5lbs - and this is with slight test flu and feeling shit. I can SORT of feel the test working now so I am expecting things to be alot better. Also Should I add in dbol 40mg ED?

Today is Triceps and Calves followed by Legs tommorow. I tried pinning glutes with an empty needle last night and it feels awkward. Like when the pin enters my whole glute feels dead and my obliques cramp lol... stretch first?

[dooie]

okkkkkk..... Last night was very different. I woke up in the middle of the night to get a shake and my forearms where throbbing kinda like when u get a huge pump.... i could feel a slight pump but not so much as the sensation I was feeling. Everything is normal now in the morning.

Weight difference: + 5lbs - and this is with slight test flu and feeling shit. I can SORT of feel the test working now so I am expecting things to be alot better. Also Should I add in dbol 40mg ED?

Today is Triceps and Calves followed by Legs tommorow. I tried pinning glutes with an empty needle last night and it feels awkward. Like when the pin enters my whole glute feels dead and my obliques cramp lol... stretch first?

How far are you trying to pin in your arse haha! You shouldn't be cramping lol! If you divide your arse cheek into 4 equal sections you should be pinning in the upper outer section of your glute, it's not that hard to reach there ha. As for the dbol, I'll let someone else. Say but I wouldn't, ur test will kick in soon and the dbol will probably only add water retention! But let someone else with more knowledge chime in! It'll def add strength though

[SlipperyGypsy]

Interesting stuff...

[pdp19]

Woke up this morning feeling relatively normal and pinned 5th shot, right glute 150mg.

Must say its a much different pain to delts. With Delts for me the pain is very sharp and noticeable within an hour. With glutes however I used my typical 24g 1 inch and it went real smooth. Pain is there but feels much more spread out and blunt... making it much more tolerable and less debilitating. Still not pleasent tho. Took a stunner out with me to the beach and she was finding it hilarious that I had to sit slow and exhale hense my new title 'cute old man' lol.

Got legs today.. will be huge I can feel it... Weight increase is +6.5 lbs ... im at 225.5lb. I look alot leaner with more veins ! But dont feel any different at ALL.

WHYYY??

xx

[pdp19]

Spoke too soon about the glutes feeling good. I can't sit at all.

Smashed bis and shoulders, was an insanely good sesh. Still weaker then usual but had a massive pump and great energy. Was jacked. Still feel the same in everyday life however.

Weight : + 8lb
Arms are both 0.6 inches bigger.

I have been using 20 mg dbol per day also as a slight boost. An extra 140mg a week would seem safe but effective. Should the test be kicked in yet cause I feel very little difference as far as feeling pumped 24/7 .

[havehotasianwife]

Is it better to spot inject on the target muscle or doesnt matter aslong as injection was properly administered?

[mrrell]

Hi ALL,
This is my first cycle..

Im 20 years old 5'10 219lb and around 8% bodyfat.. (iv attached pics lol)
Bout 6 months ago I was going to start but held off, now feel much more comfortable with going through.

Arms - 18inch
Legs - 26.7inch
Calves 17.8inch

Some of my lifts include 530lb deads and 400lb squats for 8-10.
I eat literally 10-12 times a day.. always at least 40g of protein each meal.. I average approx 480g protein a day .. works for me , if I don't have it I feel staving. Up every night at 2am and 5am to have shake lol.. Train Very hard at the gym.

Cycle:
Test Prop 150mg EOD weeks 1-8
Dbol 20mg ED weeks 1-3
PCT Nolva and Clomid
.. Questions before I start.. Should I include the dbol? I CAN get hcg but was told by almost all it was unnecessary with this simple cycle.
First Injection starts today keep it posted..

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Im 23 and heard im too young to take steriods is that right ?

[ajordana]

Is it better to spot inject on the target muscle or doesnt matter aslong as injection was properly administered?

it doesnt matter... the hormone increases muscle mass indirectly, it doesnt get injected and make the muscle bigger immediately.. it is absorbed and raises testosterone and depending on the compound changes hormones and in turn increases muscle mass.

[pdp19]

Firstly iv had alot of questions ^^^^ and not much help. So not sure if its worth doing a log.

Pinned left delt today and pain is less then others so I hope that im adapting.. but will wait until tomorrow until i get excited.

Over the last 3 nights i have started to get these huge night sweats even when its cool... my bed is soaked should have seen my gf expression. Is this the prop kicking in??

Weight is still going up.. Iv started taking in alot more carbs.. realizing i have been on 90% pure protein diet for 20+ weeks... no wonder im alot weaker and lethargic.

Life is so much harder on prop for a first time user.. the pain is unreal I cant even sit or put any pressure on my glute which feels like there is a golf ball in there.. goes away in 4 days or so..

Post some pics at end of week 3

[dooie]

Firstly iv had alot of questions ^^^^ and not much help. So not sure if its worth doing a log.

Pinned left delt today and pain is less then others so I hope that im adapting.. but will wait until tomorrow until i get excited.

Over the last 3 nights i have started to get these huge night sweats even when its cool... my bed is soaked should have seen my gf expression. Is this the prop kicking in??

Weight is still going up.. Iv started taking in alot more carbs.. realizing i have been on 90% pure protein diet for 20+ weeks... no wonder im alot weaker and lethargic.

Life is so much harder on prop for a first time user.. the pain is unreal I cant even sit or put any pressure on my glute which feels like there is a golf ball in there.. goes away in 4 days or so..

Post some pics at end of week 3

I'm still subbed bro, 90% pure protein! Wow! Carbs will make a massive difference to your workouts and normal day to day living! Night sweats are very common!

I don't think the prop should be hurting this much!!

[Curr19]

Yeah man I feel your pain, I've been running prop in the glutes for the last two pins and the pain is unreal.. hope this sh**** feeling passes quickly.

[Far from massive]

Did not read all the posts but thank God you are rotating sites. With a short ester like prop and virgin muscle it will be a lifesaver. Do glutes quads and delts and before injecting heat the juice to slightly above body temperature and then make sure you have the needle at least 3/4 prefferably 1 inch into the muscle ( a 25 by 1 inch pin will work great for all locations with your physique although a 1.25 or 1.5 may help slightly on glutes) and when pushing in the plunger do it very slowly about 30 seconds per cc/ml. This time is needed so that the oil based AAS can seep through the muscle tissue rather than being forced under pressure causing additional trauma to the muscle. Also once the plunger is all the way bottomed out in the syringe wait at least 5-10 seconds more before pulling the syringe out this will give the pressure at the injection depot time to equalize and will keep AAS from seeping out of the muscle into the fat layer or in a worse situation if you have gone through a near surface vein on the way in from seeping into the vein causing the dreaded dry cough ( this is often a problem with early quad injectins but much less likely on glutes and delts). Anyway that should help minimize the next day pain as much as possible, the other biggie is whether ethyl oleate was used as a cosolvent along with the ba/bb/veg oil which is very good with prop to sustain the depot or whether they just used ba/bb/veg oil but this really is not something you have any control over this cycle but if you continue on using Prop its well worth either seeking out EO based Prop or just adding 20% EO on your own.

Good luck,

FFM

Ohh yeah as said already no worries on the night sweats this is very common on first cycles that and waking on your back and the covers looking like a circus tent do to morning wood just shows the gear is good.

[pdp19]

Thanks for all your help broz ^^^^ I feel alot better now as to what is happening...

Just an update on this mornings pin in left delt.. there is hardly any pain at all... I'm so glad. Think I'm getting used to it! My left glute tho is still agony, swelling is very evident I can't even put socks on . My gf thinks I'm all muscle bound now haha but its cause of the pin pain.. hope it subsides cause life is extremely hard with this.

It's odd cause I really don't feel much differnce except libido and perhaps aggresion. I was always told that you could feel the test like a massive pump all day.. havnet felt this... But I am a good 9 pounds heavier in 2 weeks.

I also started using anostrolzole .5 ml E3D .. iv been using 20 mg dbol pw, should I use 40 for my weight?

Thank you all.

[OnTheSauce]

keep the 20mg pre workout and add in another 20mg spreadout throughout the day.

[Deltasaurus]

whats ur diet and training about? u ever take PHs

cuz ur starting natty size is like pro level natty compeitor or above

220 8% is huge at ur height

[pdp19]

Yeah I might go to 40 mg then... Shiits expensive lol.

I posted my training and diet in earlier posts.. I take in around 500g of protein a day.. Nah mate never used ph or similar

[JimmySidewalk]

What are your daily macros ? I get that you go up to 500g for protein, but what about carbs and fats ? and what sources do you get them from ?

[Deltasaurus]

u never did shit in 2011? im just trying to wrap my head around someone ur size at ur age... not saying it impossible by any means i had some freak show friends that if they were dedicated i have no doubt the could have reached ur level....
and why do all the forums ban you? u seem nice enough lol

http://forums.*********.com/igf-1-lo...e-hgh-igf.html

[pdp19]

No I haven't, well mate guess ur just gunna have to wrap ur head around it lol. All the forums? I got banned from 1 cause I 'trolled' After few people kept calling me a liar.

Hardly any fats, carbs from oats and wheat.. protein from chicken , whey, tuna , beef and fish.

[JimmySidewalk]

Ok, but how much carbs more exactly ?

[Deltasaurus]

i can believe it, its cool to think too. U ever had a blood panel done? i bet ur at the upper end or above normal ranges of test and igf-1

I remember this kid in HS who was naturally just a freak and he didnt drink much and trained hard he was about 5'11 220 or so and pretty lean.
I imagine he could have taken it very for naturally if he ever wanted to

U that kind of kid?

and god damned thats a shit ton of protein thats about two times what jay cutler gets in a day when dieting and about the same when bulking

[pdp19]

Yeah I'm sure my natural hormones are very high.. I never drink or smoke and always get adequate sleep . Yeah I competed in a natural for teens and won the overall in 2011.

I know its a lot of protein perhaps too much but its working for me. As I said earlier I am increasing carbs now and strength is comming back. Thanks Bro

[pdp19]

Hey bros.

Weighed myself today and I'm 5kg heavier from when I started. I look thicker and much fuller but still not feeling any different... I'm so much weaker at the gym lol it makes Me sad haha. When will I feel it? The veins are insane BTW.

Shoulder and biceps workout today went hard .. pump was huge . But was again much weaker. What's goin on?

[Deltasaurus]

id drop back ur protein a bit to make room for the carbs... how many carbs are u taking in now?

[Dytum]

seriously...

[pdp19]

Today I worked legs .. have slightly more energy due to increased carbs... Still could not match any lifts I could do pre cycle but they are hopefully increasing now.. HAS ANYONE else found they are weaker during first few weeks of cycle?? i meant test and dbol should do the opposite.. So im confused.


.. The pump remains very good...


Also I find during heavy workouts I get headaches and feel shit... is this the dbol?? its 20mg pre workout..

If its not I am increasing to 40mg a day for a final 2 weeks of oral.

Also for anyone else trying prop,..... i strongly recommend not massaging the area after injection ... if so only very slightly.. then an immediate hot shower.. the pain is much less.

Weight 226lb
BF 7%

[pdp19]

Also if I was to bump dbol to 40mg ED what dosage of anastrozole will I require???

[ajordana]

well bro, dbol has been known to raise blood pressure which could lead to headaches, but at 20mg i cant really see that being the problem.. and to you being weakr on cycle, thats kinda odd... are you sure your stuff is legit man? dbol strength gains kick in FAST, and i mean fast.. like after one workout im adding weight vthe next workout. plus youre on prop which shouldve been giving strength gains quick.. and for the arimidex with dbol.. on 50mg i had to up my arimidex to .25 ED to kill bloat.. my love handles and lower back had to have been holding a pound of water each.. i have no gyno problems that ive encountered though, estrogen just causes water retention for me. plus this was some good dbol.