20 Yr Old First Cycle - Test Prop/ Dbol

[Adonisbrah]

your weight is up and bf is down and you are weaker?? that's not right dude.

Also, your gear probably has an abnormally high BA% and that is why it hurts so much. You probably would have been better off going with test e for your first cycle. My first 2 shots of test e hurt for 3-4 days solid. my third shot for some reason was EXCRUCIATING for a solid 9 days... then after that it was smoothing sailing.. by the time its time for my next shot I almost forget what glute I have to shoot in.

Maybe you are taking too much anti-e. When I was taking .5mg eod I started getting this constant headache and my lifts definitely froze. Thank god I realized this quickly.. I cut my dose down to .25 eod and the headaches are gone and my lifts are consistently going up again.

Hope this helps.

[thex95]

why are people still giving this dude advice on his cycle? The only advice he should receive is to get off cycle because he's too dam young. Ya your built like a beast but the internal workings of your body are the same as every other 20 year olds, and your gonna mess it up permanently.

[pdp19]

well bro, dbol has been known to raise blood pressure which could lead to headaches, but at 20mg i cant really see that being the problem.. and to you being weakr on cycle, thats kinda odd... are you sure your stuff is legit man? dbol strength gains kick in FAST, and i mean fast.. like after one workout im adding weight vthe next workout. plus youre on prop which shouldve been giving strength gains quick.. and for the arimidex with dbol.. on 50mg i had to up my arimidex to .25 ED to kill bloat.. my love handles and lower back had to have been holding a pound of water each.. i have no gyno problems that ive encountered though, estrogen just causes water retention for me. plus this was some good dbol.

Thanks Bro i know its all legitimate.. my workout today proved it haha fuaaark. Il see hoe I react for a few more days and go to 40 mg which would be much more effective. Was that dosage of 0.25 ed for anastrozole? Yeah lucky I have no bloat at the momment but I may see some when I bump.

[pdp19]

your weight is up and bf is down and you are weaker?? that's not right dude.

Also, your gear probably has an abnormally high BA% and that is why it hurts so much. You probably would have been better off going with test e for your first cycle. My first 2 shots of test e hurt for 3-4 days solid. my third shot for some reason was EXCRUCIATING for a solid 9 days... then after that it was smoothing sailing.. by the time its time for my next shot I almost forget what glute I have to shoot in.

Maybe you are taking too much anti-e. When I was taking .5mg eod I started getting this constant headache and my lifts definitely froze. Thank god I realized this quickly.. I cut my dose down to .25 eod and the headaches are gone and my lifts are consistently going up again.

Hope this helps.

yeah but I think its getting much better now that iv introduced more carbs.. strength was way up today... So even test e hurt u?? My apologies the above post relating to anastorzole was in reply to this post. I was taking .5 e3D .. Thanks for ur help mate

[pdp19]

Well I can gladly say nearly 3 weeks in and I am starting to feel great. Had the best chest and bicep workout in a long long time. I was much stronger in benching this week then last and I'm crediting the carbs. Could bang out presses all day. And the pump was insane. Also looked in the mirror and humbly say that I am much much bigger and vascular. It's amazing! No headache and energy was plentiful. Finally it seems to be working.. thinking of bumping dbol to 40 .. not out of greed but effectiveness. Idk if 20 mg a day is usefully on a 101kg body..

[ajordana]

Thanks Bro i know its all legitimate.. my workout today proved it haha fuaaark. Il see hoe I react for a few more days and go to 40 mg which would be much more effective. Was that dosage of 0.25 ed for anastrozole? Yeah lucky I have no bloat at the momment but I may see some when I bump.

yeah, anastrozole/arimidex /liquidex.. all same compound

[dooie]

What's going on bro, no updates or progress pics?

[pdp19]

Hey all had a busy week will fill everything in..

This week has been the best yet.. I no longer feel weak and sick and not as aggresive. Gains are noticeable day by day it almost seems.. even when I'm freezing at night I get up to get a drink and chest shoulders arms and legs are covered in veins.. suffice to say I'm starting to enjoy it.

Strength is back! I'm so relieved it was deffo the low carbs affecting it. Today I worked chest and biceps and managed to press the 55's for 10 full reps .. 4 sets. Biceps had a burning sensation like the muscles where so pumped they were tearing. But all good pain.

Pin pains are getting better .. delts are fine now and glutes are starting to adapt.

I weigh 105kg now with around 6-7 % body fat. Today I looked at the corner of a mirror and cause some of the view is cut off I could see an arm and shoulder and was like Wtf that guy destroys me.. then I moved my head and it was me all along lol..

Should I run this cycle for 8 or 12 weeks? I can get the best hcg but still might wanna play it safe. Pic updates next week. Cheers bros

[objective33]

Musculature looks unnatty to say the least. The sign also looks fishy and possibly edited into picture. Going to need you to write your name on chest bro, anyone can take a random's pic, take a picture of a sign, and put the 2 together. The sign seems to be "floating" on the bed. I want to believe...

[pdp19]

[QUOTE=objective33;5896815]Musculature looks unnatty to say the least. The sign also looks fishy and possibly edited into picture. Going to need you to write your name on chest bro, anyone can take a random's pic, take a picture of a sign, and put the 2 together. The sign seems to be "floating" on the bed. I want to believe...[/QUOTE

No one can possibly be this ignorant. I don't give a sh** what u believe 'bro'.. Write it on my chest... GTFO

[MickeyKnox]

Musculature looks unnatty to say the least. The sign also looks fishy and possibly edited into picture. Going to need you to write your name on chest bro, anyone can take a random's pic, take a picture of a sign, and put the 2 together. The sign seems to be "floating" on the bed. I want to believe...

i respectfully disagree. i think those photos are 100% real and pdp19 is who he says he is.

if you look closely at the right hand bottom corner of the paper on his bed, you'll see it is folded slightly inwards to assist in supporting the paper against the items he has propped up behind. now look below the 9 and you'll see a darkish shadow. there is another one slightly smaller to the right. those shadows are the reflections off his zebra duvet/blanket created by the slight inward fold of the paper...and the fact that it is white and gathers/reflects shadows easily.

point is, whoever is in that photo is standing beside THAT paper on THAT bed.

pdp19, you're a freak! i mean that as a compliment bro! hahaha keep up the hard work - looking forward to updates and photos. cheers!

edit: could you please post your daily diet. don't need macros unless you've already don that. thanks!

[Dr. R.]

I weigh 105kg now with around 6-7 % body fat. Today I looked at the corner of a mirror and cause some of the view is cut off I could see an arm and shoulder and was like Wtf that guy destroys me.. then I moved my head and it was me all along lol.

HAHAHA!!!!
I laughed so hard at this. Nice work man keep it up.

[C-BuZz]

Musculature looks unnatty to say the least. The sign also looks fishy and possibly edited into picture. Going to need you to write your name on chest bro, anyone can take a random's pic, take a picture of a sign, and put the 2 together. The sign seems to be "floating" on the bed. I want to believe...

Ha Ha, he's got nothing to prove to you or anyone bro. No one really gives a crap if you think it's fake or not.

Either way, I'm convinced it's legit.

PDP; Awesome physique, looking forward to some more pics!

[pdp19]

^^^ Appreciate the support boys , il post some new pics end of this week.

Today I smashed tris and calves real heavy and it was great. The veins are incredible.. my whole body is covered .. calves hit 18 inch.

Strength with triceps felt endless.. I done dumbell overhead extensions last and banged the 50's in a controlled manner and they were light..

For everyone's general knowlege , I was on 500g of pure protein a day with very little carbs . This went on for 20 plus weeks. When I started this cycle which is my first I was devestated to expirience much weaker lifts then when natural. Muscle gains were fantastic however strength and energy were sacrificed. So I increased carbs a lot and took protein to around 400 g and within a week everything skyrocked.

,Cheers mickey for the forensic proofing . Champ. .. as for my diet I never count carbs or have any set meals a day its all instinctive. My diet , training etc are all instinctive .. I know to get to the gym and make a particular muscle work and hurt as much as possible. Ends there. Never had a routine in my life. Same with food. I need a lot of protein and some carbs every 2 hours. That's it. Simple effective and sustainable.

[little men]

sounds like your getting great results, i thought your phisique was perfect b4 but cant waiit to see how you come up after this is all done. all the best with it pdp

[JonnyConcrete]

Fuuuuuark! You were a beast before cycle. In for progress pic (no homo)

[mperk]

Also, your gear probably has an abnormally high BA% and that is why it hurts so much. You probably would have been better off going with test e for your first cycle. I cut my dose down to .25 eod and the headaches are gone and my lifts are consistently going up again.
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Hey bro, ^^^this adonis knows what he is talking about. I would switch brands of Test P because Im sure its the BA that causes the pain. Also the virgin muscle coment. .25 eod is good imo - if you have doubts get a blood test. Def up the dbol to 40 - u will only use it for 4-6 weeks.
I'd try pinning the glutes ifu cant stand the delts. personally i like the delts cause it inflames the muscle a bit and i think encourages growth - so do plenty of delt work the day of and after the injection. Pump it full of blood.

Next cycle do cyp or enan - you'll be much happier with that. Also seems like you are doing low carbs - you may want to reconsider - especially after your workout. You need fuel to build muscle.
Finally - nice damn physique at 20 or any age - yu have really great thickness and a wicked taper - Props for getting so far so young. Good luck bro - enjoy the ride!

Last comment - u r set for PCT, right? That and diet will assure u keep your gains at the end of the cycle.

[pdp19]

Mperk many thanks for ur contribution Bro, good info..

If u wanna take a read a few posts back I have fully increased carbs now and everything is exploding. Feel much better at the gym .

As for my prop what I have is the best pharma quality stuff u can buy.. as iv been told. Even now I'm still getting some pain . Yes iv been doing glutes for 3 or so weeks. First few times was the worst pain iv ever felt. Now they hurt a lot but are at least bearable to some extent. Maybe the BA content is slightly high. Then again iv never had an injection in my life other then these test pins.

Question- when I pin delts or glutes the muscle strand that it is injected into swells for days like I flex my glutes and there is a large lump that is painful to touch. Hope that isn't the test just sitting in there??

I also upped the dbol to 40 after getting blue hearts and deffo notice a difference.

Yeah for pct I have liquid clomid, nolva and hcg . What would be a safe/effective protocol?

Thanks all

[objective33]

Surprised that not many people telling you that your too young to cycle, that is all people post in mine and I know what I'm doing lol.

Apologize for the hate, I was proven wrong. You got an unreal physique and I can't wait to see the end results. Subbed.

Check out my thread on 12 week tren test and dbol .

[Blergs]

Hi ALL,
This is my first cycle..

Im 20 years old 5'10 219lb and around 8% bodyfat.. (iv attached pics lol)
Bout 6 months ago I was going to start but held off, now feel much more comfortable with going through.

Arms - 18inch
Legs - 26.7inch
Calves 17.8inch

Some of my lifts include 530lb deads and 400lb squats for 8-10.
I eat literally 10-12 times a day.. always at least 40g of protein each meal.. I average approx 480g protein a day .. works for me , if I don't have it I feel staving. Up every night at 2am and 5am to have shake lol.. Train Very hard at the gym.

Cycle:
Test Prop 150mg EOD weeks 1-8
Dbol 20mg ED weeks 1-3
PCT Nolva and Clomid
.. Questions before I start.. Should I include the dbol? I CAN get hcg but was told by almost all it was unnecessary with this simple cycle.
First Injection starts today keep it posted..

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I highly rec you use a long ester like teste and have an AI on hand like letro if estro or bloat is too much.

[pdp19]

Surprised that not many people telling you that your too young to cycle, that is all people post in mine and I know what I'm doing lol.

Apologize for the hate, I was proven wrong. You got an unreal physique and I can't wait to see the end results. Subbed.

Check out my thread on 12 week tren test and dbol.

All good, I know u didn't mean it maliciously but its still frustrating. Thanks mate I have been checking your thread.

[pdp19]

I highly rec you use a long ester like teste and have an AI on hand like letro if estro or bloat is too much.

Already 4 weeks in Bro! If u can survive the first few weeks of pin agony prop is a superior ester of test. yeah I have anastrozole on hand

[pdp19]

I highly rec you use a long ester like teste and have an AI on hand like letro if estro or bloat is too much.

Already 4 weeks in Bro! If u can survive the first few weeks of pin agony prop is a superior ester of test. yeah I have anastrozole on hand

[pdp19]

All I can say is fuuaark.. its really kicking in now. I weighed myself this morning and was 106kg and leaner then when I started so id say 7% bodyfat.

A key point in this expirience is the vascularity .. I was origionally always freaky veined but this is new level. Areas like Triceps and lats are full of these now. Was supposed to be my day off but I couldn't help it and after a huge breakfast with my gf went to gym. Everythings too light now! Haha. Worked calves and triceps. Measured when they were pumped and nearly hit 19 inch. It's been an hour later and everything is still pumped.

If anyone can answer my question about the muscle strands swelling a few post back that would be great. Cheers boys. Pics at end of week

[C-BuZz]

All I can say is fuuaark.. its really kicking in now. I weighed myself this morning and was 106kg and leaner then when I started so id say 7% bodyfat.

A key point in this expirience is the vascularity .. I was origionally always freaky veined but this is new level. Areas like Triceps and lats are full of these now. Was supposed to be my day off but I couldn't help it and after a huge breakfast with my gf went to gym. Everythings too light now! Haha. Worked calves and triceps. Measured when they were pumped and nearly hit 19 inch. It's been an hour later and everything is still pumped.

If anyone can answer my question about the muscle strands swelling a few post back that would be great. Cheers boys. Pics at end of week

Gonna need some progress pics bro.

[adamjames]

what size needle are you using for the propionate ? im starting my 1st course next month, prop and deca ....maybe just prop, ive been advised to use 25 gauge needles and apparently this eliminates any pain although its slow to inject.....also, you say your injecting it every other day, so mon, wed, fri, sun?? or do you not jab on sundays?...p.s you must be the biggest guy ive seen on here natural your massive and great conditioning too, cant wait to see your results dude

[pdp19]

what size needle are you using for the propionate? im starting my 1st course next month, prop and deca....maybe just prop, ive been advised to use 25 gauge needles and apparently this eliminates any pain although its slow to inject.....also, you say your injecting it every other day, so mon, wed, fri, sun?? or do you not jab on sundays?...p.s you must be the biggest guy ive seen on here natural your massive and great conditioning too, cant wait to see your results dude

Thanks mate , I'm using a 23 to draw and a BD 24 inch for the pin. I doubt using a 25 will help, even after heating I have to push quite hard and when its in an awkward position it can move around causing further discomfort. Interested to see how u find the post injection pain 1-6 hours later. First 3 times in each muscle I was literally debilitated could not move it was that painful. Much better now, depends on brand of test also. I think u should stick to test only for first few cycles prop is amazing stuff.

Yeah I inject EOD , not worrying about days in the week.

[dooie]

Mperk many thanks for ur contribution Bro, good info..

If u wanna take a read a few posts back I have fully increased carbs now and everything is exploding. Feel much better at the gym .

As for my prop what I have is the best pharma quality stuff u can buy.. as iv been told. Even now I'm still getting some pain . Yes iv been doing glutes for 3 or so weeks. First few times was the worst pain iv ever felt. Now they hurt a lot but are at least bearable to some extent. Maybe the BA content is slightly high. Then again iv never had an injection in my life other then these test pins.

Question- when I pin delts or glutes the muscle strand that it is injected into swells for days like I flex my glutes and there is a large lump that is painful to touch. Hope that isn't the test just sitting in there??

I also upped the dbol to 40 after getting blue hearts and deffo notice a difference.

Yeah for pct I have liquid clomid, nolva and hcg . What would be a safe/effective protocol?

Thanks all

When u inject, leave the needle in for a little longer, and then massage after you've injected, see if that helps!

[adamjames]

Your right i will probarbly just go with the test on its own for my 1st cycle, theres a lot of articles saying that test, dbol and deca is a good 1st course but i think id rather see how i take the test for a while before i throw anything else in.
Nice to know how painfull prop is for you bro im really looking forward to my 1st injections now lol ill let you know how it goes probarbly wont bother with cycle log on here aint got the time but ill post before and afters

[pdp19]

I worked legs two days ago and once again was under par. During this whole cycle I haven't been able to squat anywhere close to what I used to. And I'm very certain its due to the glute injections which still swell for days. It's sometimes hard to put shoes on so I can see why I cant sqaut heavy, I used to smash out 190 kg for 8-10 arse to grass, now even doing 140 feels so stiff. Not to mention my newely aquired back pumps lol

Yesterday was chest and bis, chest was strong and bi pump actually felt very painful but good. I ended up having a 3 hour workout.

Weight: 106 kg
Bf: 7 %

Il take some update shots after work.

[StraightFlexed]

I'm running the same exact cycle as you plus injectable winstrol . My prop is completely painless from one of the best labs ever . The winny is water based and dude, that shit is so f u c k I n g painful is rediculous, I just finished week 2, week 1 was a bad test flu and really messed me up . Now I'm much better, I'm bigger and vienny as hell . You get used to the prop injections, but never to water based, inject right before your work out or inject very very slowly I mean if it takes you 30 mins to finish, do it, everytime you feel the tingle inside the muscle as you injecting stop, let it tingle away then inject some more slower. It really does the trick. The winny I'm doing is SO painful, it left a baseball size lump that I'm pretty sure squeezed a nerve and I can't bend down for 3 days now, my spine feels cracked. Let's stick it through, awesome physique, good luck .

[dooie]

I worked legs two days ago and once again was under par. During this whole cycle I haven't been able to squat anywhere close to what I used to. And I'm very certain its due to the glute injections which still swell for days. It's sometimes hard to put shoes on so I can see why I cant sqaut heavy, I used to smash out 190 kg for 8-10 arse to grass, now even doing 140 feels so stiff. Not to mention my newely aquired back pumps lol

Yesterday was chest and bis, chest was strong and bi pump actually felt very painful but good. I ended up having a 3 hour workout.

Weight: 106 kg
Bf: 7 %

Il take some update shots after work.

Pics?

[mirin_serratus]

pics look legit, but no way in hell this is his first cycle. if any of you guys think he got to the same stats as ifbb pros in the 220lb class naturally, especially at age 20, then you are delusional. In the 0.001% chance that i'm wrong, I expect to see you competing in the olympia in a few years.

amazing physique but quit fraudin bro

[adamjames]

well if hes lying then hes only lying to himself to be honest, come on man lets see some more pics?

[warren916]

Why hasnt anyone informed this guy to be taking the dbol at least EVERYDAY, not just before workouts...gotta take it everyday to become stabilized in the blood or you wont get half the effects of it.

[Chris_ATV]

Ok Im gona need you to write me a letter in cursive, send to me by next day mail, put MY initials on your abs, and last but not least hang upside down from your bed while holding the sign from earlier! You should have waited 5 more years before cycling!

jk but you are a monster

[dani3l]

Are you still alive?

[wreckage]

rip brah

[DamageDealer]

in for pics and diet with macros breakdown

[dooie]

in for pics and diet with macros breakdown

He hasn't posted for 2months, doubt he was telling the truth