12 week cycle Dbol, Tren-e, and Test-e

[objective33]

Day 11 - Back and Biceps
Last time I ever do deadlifts. I lost 60 lbs off my 1 rm after not doing them for 2 weeks. I thought I was going to lose my mind in the gym; dat dere tren irrability haha. 2 months of progress. Gone. I will stick with rack pulls which are safer and decreased risk of injury, and they are better for back development anyways.

Other than that I felt powerful and more aggresive in the gym, and all lifts were up.

Day 12 - I got to bed early last night. I felt sick to my stomach because I ate 2 cans of tuna raw, had a cup of OJ, and a glass of milk. What was I thinking? Fish-acidity in orange juice- and lactose do NOT mix. Live and learn haha. I got 5 hours of sleep before I woke up and then I was unable to hit the deeper stages of sleep as I kept waking up every 20 mins for the next 5 hours, so much for a 10 hour sleep LOL.

Anyways I trained SHOULDERS today. My dumbbell shoulder press was up 10 lbs, which is a good sign of things to come. Really red in the face as I serve customers at work tonight, but other than that I am in an amazing mood today, and I feel extremely positive and optimistic about things to come.

Calves, forearms, abs and static stretching tomorrow!

[Noles12]

Irritability 11 days in to tren -e is not due to the tren. This far in with the esters you are using, most anything is a placebo effect and practically all mental

[objective33]

Irritability 11 days in to tren-e is not due to the tren. This far in with the esters you are using, most anything is a placebo effect and practically all mental

Oh I know I was kidding lol. It is normal for me to get angry and upset when one of my lifts go down. Watch out when the tren kicks in lol.

[Windex]

I believe you are unaware. 9 grain bagels and branflakes/ oat bran are complex carbs, and rice cakes are on the high end of the GI meaning they are quickly used as energy during exercise. Studies also show that protein intaken 1-3 hours before exercise aids in protein synthesis, hence the peanut butter. If I were cutting these foods would be unacceptable, but I clearly stated that I am bulking. I believe in a carb heavy, high protein, moderate diet during a bulk. This is why I also drink a 3L bottle of water with packet of purple gatorade and 20g of BCAAs that Ijust continue diluting all day. I do agree that I do need more even protein distribution throughout the day and I've tried supplementing that with almonds, nuts or cans of tuna because beef and chicken are so damn expensive that twice a day consumption is out of the question.

You should spend a little less time spewing and reading broscience posted on these forums, and spend more time reading legitimate research articles so you can enlighten yourself on the ignorant broscience you try to spew to others. I was eating 4000 calories a day during pct and off cycle recovery time while staying between 8 and 9% bf while eating carbs, carbs, carbs, hell I might even need to bump it to 4500 to 5000 calories just to maximize gains on cycle.

I also believe you only need so much protein, because if you are consuming more than 2x your bodyweight, you are only doing more harm to your body then good.

Feel free to try and prove me wrong. I would like to see a proper explanation along with the credible study to support your claims. I am near the top of the class in terms of my GPA, and I will be a strength and conditioning coach in a few more years, so I HAVE to know what I am talking about.

Why don't I start by pointing you to my sticky, then you could point me to yours? Oh...

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...n#.TtfH-lYnjTo

I guess all of those articles aren't credible though right? Also, nuts and nut butters are incomplete sources of proteins. Yes they belong in a diet, but require a full protein source like a lean meat paired with it. It would be like trying to eat soup with a fork.

And if you would like to re-read my previous post, trying to gloat about your extracurricular life accomplishes nothing on this forum. I make 50k a year in scholarships while I'm currently attending medical school but I don't add that to the end of all of my posts. Moreover, my personal trainer is a retired bodybuilding judge, power lifter, and has his Pro Card. I also don't add that to every post.

[objective33]

Why don't I start by pointing you to my sticky, then you could point me to yours? Oh...

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...n#.TtfH-lYnjTo

I guess all of those articles aren't credible though right? Also, nuts and nut butters are incomplete sources of proteins. Yes they belong in a diet, but require a full protein source like a lean meat paired with it. It would be like trying to eat soup with a fork.

And if you would like to re-read my previous post, trying to gloat about your extracurricular life accomplishes nothing on this forum. I make 50k a year in scholarships while I'm currently attending medical school but I don't add that to the end of all of my posts. Moreover, my personal trainer is a retired bodybuilding judge, power lifter, and has his Pro Card. I also don't add that to every post.

You linked me to a thread you copied and pasted. It says eat a bagel with jam preworkout, eat all-bran, etc. Also some articles are conflicting, you can do this, but you can't do that, oh but you can do this even if the other article says to avoid that. Very contradictory to what you said, in your post, and does not tell me why I shouldn't eat whole wheat bagels, pasta, all-bran, or ricecakes. All those should be avoided if you are attempting to cut, but on a bulk when your staying lean eating them anyways, they are a good source of complex carbs and fiber.

[objective33]

Day 13 - I usually have a no exceptions rule to missing a training day, but something I could not ignore came up.

Day 14 - Calves, forearms, abs
- Supposed to be an off day, but I HAD to make up for my missed workout. Won't affect my day 15 workout anyways. 900 x 12 for calves presses on decline leg press machine. Kind of sad a 20 year old can max your leg press machine with ease. I will stick with calf raises using the smith machine. Also did 5 plates on the seated calves machine, def feeling much stronger already.

Day 15 - Chest and Triceps

Choking down my preworkout meal with preworkout stack.
Will update and post progress pic when I get back.

Bought a new scale. I'm at 190 lbs already! 210 including waterweight is looking like a realistic finishing weight.

[RayXXL]

You'll have Erectile dysfunction before you know it for being a impatient 20 year old smh

[CmyZFly]

Damn!!

[objective33]

Day 15 - Chest and Triceps
Aggression up, pretty meh workout.

Day 16 - Legs
Could barely do 405 to parallel a week ago. Huge improvements and explosiveness I've never had before.

Working sets for squats
315 x 12
375 x 10
405 x 8
405 x 8

Day 17 - upper chest work
Pretty meh

Day 18 - back and biceps
515 rack pull!
Tried something new for biceps - full contraction of biceps with literally no momentum, very low weight and low reps, very difficult and painful, unsure about this. Seen some pros that do this and it seemed interesting.

Day 19 - shoulders

Strength up a bit. Always give it all I've got
but I dislike shoulders for some reason.

Reading week so perfect diet and training aside, I've been lazy for everything else in life. Strength and aggression are up, and so far no real tren insomnia or harsh sides yet. I started on 12.5 mg aromasin ed a few days ago, but currently weighing around 194.

Calves and forearms and abs tomorrow!

[FIRE1989]

hey hows it goin man i can see a lot of ppl are bashing you, i dont know much about all this stuff but all i can say is stay focused and do work man, its your body just be as safe about it as you can.

if you dont mind i have a few questions that id like to ask you off of the forum, if you don't mind that is?

[objective33]

Most people don't understand my situation bro. I've went through so much adversity to get to where I am. Bullying through school, high school and even a bit in college, severe adhd, and battled depression in the past. I've watched a ton of videos on Kai Greene, Muhammed Ali, etc the past week and it has really changed my mentality about training and life. These guys thrived on hate and criticism to overcome all obstacles to become champions, and are very inspirational idols of mine.

Anyways bro you can pm here, or email [email protected]. I'd be glad to answer any of your questions or offer advice.

[FIRE1989]

tried emailing you, it wouldn't let me and im trying to figure out how to PM but every time i click on your name to go to your page it wont allow me?

[stpete]

Just because other people are out drinking, smoking cigs and whatever else should be no concern to you or anyone else. Just be concerned with yourself. I'm not going to try to get you to stop(although i think you should) because many good people have tried and my suggestion will fall on deaf ears as theirs did. Hope you don't permanently damage yourself. That would be a shame.

[objective33]

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[Predator87]

I am not going to comment on your age, just gonna say that you look great

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[Mason380]

Go to your doctor and get some of these- tetracycline 250mg and all those zit/pimples on your back and chest will be gone bro

[dooie]

Fark your bacne is hectic!! I don't see any gains that couldn't have been from diet! U used Tren , test and dbol and made what.. Ten pounds, you should of listened man!

[DanB]

Go to your doctor and get some of these- tetracycline 250mg and all those zit/pimples on your back and chest will be gone bro

It does nothing for most people, its only a broad spectrum antibiotic, its like being perscribed paracetamol to manage pain for a broken bone

[Mason380]

It does nothing for most people, its only a broad spectrum antibiotic, its like being perscribed paracetamol to manage pain for a broken bone

Seriously ? It's works great for me. Take one n the next day it's Gone or close to it.

[DanB]

Seriously ? It's works great for me. Take one n the next day it's Gone or close to it.

I dont see how when even the doc says it takes minimum 2 months, regardless of that it takes about a week to build up in your blood, I have used it 1 gram a day for 6 months, also used doxycycline and tetrasal and done nothing, many friends used it and nothing, but hey if its magic for you then thats great you are 1 in a million and if its gone the next day then it isnt the tetracycline doing it for you, it just gone by itself

[Mason380]

I dont see how when even the doc says it takes minimum 2 months, regardless of that it takes about a week to build up in your blood, I have used it 1 gram a day for 6 months, also used doxycycline and tetrasal and done nothing, many friends used it and nothing, but hey if its magic for you then thats great you are 1 in a million and if its gone the next day then it isnt the tetracycline doing it for you, it just gone by itself

I tried a few different meds and none did nothing but this one, my brother is on t to and it works great for him to. Iduno it works good with us but there's other one I tired and it either got worse or did nothing and did wonders for other ppl. There something out there for everyone, you just gota find it.

[Mason380]

Oh and I did take them for a month straight then came off when everything is good and that was like 3-4 maybe more months ago, just take them when really need them

[MickeyKnox]

wow that bacne is brutal dude. get that shyt looked at soon..

and yeah you should have listened son- you hardly made any gains...what a waste of a cycle..

[objective33]

I believe I maximized my gains. I was eating 4000-5000 calories on cycle. You have to see that the gains I made were lean gains, and that I put on little to no fat mass. My diet for the first 4 weeks of the cycle wasn't great, but by the time I finished the cycle, my diet was pretty much flawless. I did not record one cheat meal the entire cycle, ate 100% clean. My training was not as strict as I would have liked it to be. I believe I might have suffered from volume overkill - too many sets - too many reps, not high enough intensity on several body parts.

Starting Stats
315 Max bench
465 Max Deadlift/495 rack pull
405 Max squat

Finishing Stats
315 x 3 Max Bench - didn't make the greatest gains on bench, but I am pretty close to genetic max potential
625 Rackpull.... This is a 130 lb gain, big numbers.
425 x 6 squat, was doing 405 x 14 by the end.

Diet

Meal 1
1 cup oatmeal
1/2 cup blueberries
pinch of cinnamon
15 egg whites
2 scoops whey blend

Meal 2 (pre-workout)
1 Banana
1/2 cup almonds
2 scoops Jack3d, 1 scoop creatine mono

Intraworkout
- 3L of water
- 1 packet of purple gatorade
- 20g BCAA

Meal 3 (post-workout)
- 1 cup oats
- 1/2 cup berries
- 1/2 cup yogurt
- 1/2 cup spinach
- 2 scoops whey blend protein

Meal 4 (1 hour 30 mins - 2 hours post-workout)
- 2 chicken breasts
- 1 cup rice
- 1 cup veggies

Meal 5
- 1 cup rice
- 2 cans tuna

Meal 6
- 1 cup extra lean ground beef with assorted veggies fried in
- 1 cup cottage cheese

You guys are delusional if you think my diet could have been improved anymore. I commute every day, and do a lot of walking and have an insane natural metabolism. I believe for next cycle I will need to push my calories up to the 5500 to 6000 mark eating 8 meals a day. I didn't put on the kind of fat mass that I think was necessary in order to maximize my gains, I pretty much stayed lean the entire cycle with a bit of water bloat. I didn't post before leg pics, but I added big time mass to my quads, hamstrings, and calves especially. I was doing 3 plate toe raises at the start of cycle, and by the end I was toe raising 7 plates per side. Added some decent size to tri's and bi's. Big improvements on anterior/posterior delts. Traps really improved. Everything generally looks much improved except for chest. I do everything right for chest and it just doesn't grow like I would like it to. I switched it up weekly, tried all sorts of different things, and just nothing is working.

Started PCT yesterday.

Clomid 100/100/50/50
Nolvadex 50/50/25/25

I'm feeling like a weak bish, but I haven't felt this happy or upbeat in weeks. Even mid cycle - right up until 14 days after my last test shot I've been feeling very lethargic, and not quite myself. Just in general, miserable all the time. I can barely get out of bed in the morning right now, but I haven't felt this happy or good in months, it is like I am a new man. Workouts have been high energy with lots of enthusiasm even though I lost that natural power and aggression you have on cycle, I always felt so angry and serious when training during cycle, now it seems more light-hearted and fun again.

I definitely did not do enough tren this cycle. 300 ml was relatively weak, and I was disappointed by the gains. Next cycle will look something like 4 weeks dbol 50 mg/day, 10 weeks tren @ 500 ml/ week 12 weeks test e 600 ml/week or something.

I am booking an appointment with the dermatologist next week, and I am demanding Accutane, I've tried tetracycline and monocycline and they didn't work. I will also schedule to get my blood work done around a month from now.

[objective33]

Fark your bacne is hectic!! I don't see any gains that couldn't have been from diet! U used Tren, test and dbol and made what.. Ten pounds, you should of listened man!

10 lbs of lean mass that you keep for a 3rd cycle when you are pretty much near your natural genetic max potential is pretty damn impressive. Most guys may put on 20-25 lbs, but end up only keeping 5 lbs lean mass when they are finished cutting.

[objective33]

Fark your bacne is hectic!! I don't see any gains that couldn't have been from diet! U used Tren, test and dbol and made what.. Ten pounds, you should of listened man!

double post

[objective33]

These pics were taken 3 weeks on cycle before the gains started. Obviously if you look at the above pics, you will see that I made big time gains.

[dooie]

These pics were taken 3 weeks on cycle before the gains started. Obviously if you look at the above pics, you will see that I made big time gains.

<img src="http://forums.steroid.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=122854"/><img src="http://forums.steroid.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=122855"/><img src="http://forums.steroid.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=122856"/>

Get BW done a month after PCT. I can't believe u have done 3 cycles lol,

[Mason380]

I believe I maximized my gains. I was eating 4000-5000 calories on cycle. You have to see that the gains I made were lean gains, and that I put on little to no fat mass. My diet for the first 4 weeks of the cycle wasn't great, but by the time I finished the cycle, my diet was pretty much flawless. I did not record one cheat meal the entire cycle, ate 100% clean. My training was not as strict as I would have liked it to be. I believe I might have suffered from volume overkill - too many sets - too many reps, not high enough intensity on several body parts.

Starting Stats
315 Max bench
465 Max Deadlift/495 rack pull
405 Max squat

Finishing Stats
315 x 3 Max Bench - didn't make the greatest gains on bench, but I am pretty close to genetic max potential
625 Rackpull.... This is a 130 lb gain, big numbers.
425 x 6 squat, was doing 405 x 14 by the end.

Diet

Meal 1
1 cup oatmeal
1/2 cup blueberries
pinch of cinnamon
15 egg whites
2 scoops whey blend

Meal 2 (pre-workout)
1 Banana
1/2 cup almonds
2 scoops Jack3d, 1 scoop creatine mono

Intraworkout
- 3L of water
- 1 packet of purple gatorade
- 20g BCAA

Meal 3 (post-workout)
- 1 cup oats
- 1/2 cup berries
- 1/2 cup yogurt
- 1/2 cup spinach
- 2 scoops whey blend protein

Meal 4 (1 hour 30 mins - 2 hours post-workout)
- 2 chicken breasts
- 1 cup rice
- 1 cup veggies

Meal 5
- 1 cup rice
- 2 cans tuna

Meal 6
- 1 cup extra lean ground beef with assorted veggies fried in
- 1 cup cottage cheese

You guys are delusional if you think my diet could have been improved anymore. I commute every day, and do a lot of walking and have an insane natural metabolism. I believe for next cycle I will need to push my calories up to the 5500 to 6000 mark eating 8 meals a day. I didn't put on the kind of fat mass that I think was necessary in order to maximize my gains, I pretty much stayed lean the entire cycle with a bit of water bloat. I didn't post before leg pics, but I added big time mass to my quads, hamstrings, and calves especially. I was doing 3 plate toe raises at the start of cycle, and by the end I was toe raising 7 plates per side. Added some decent size to tri's and bi's. Big improvements on anterior/posterior delts. Traps really improved. Everything generally looks much improved except for chest. I do everything right for chest and it just doesn't grow like I would like it to. I switched it up weekly, tried all sorts of different things, and just nothing is working.

Started PCT yesterday.

Clomid 100/100/50/50
Nolvadex 50/50/25/25

I'm feeling like a weak bish, but I haven't felt this happy or upbeat in weeks. Even mid cycle - right up until 14 days after my last test shot I've been feeling very lethargic, and not quite myself. Just in general, miserable all the time. I can barely get out of bed in the morning right now, but I haven't felt this happy or good in months, it is like I am a new man. Workouts have been high energy with lots of enthusiasm even though I lost that natural power and aggression you have on cycle, I always felt so angry and serious when training during cycle, now it seems more light-hearted and fun again.

I definitely did not do enough tren this cycle. 300 ml was relatively weak, and I was disappointed by the gains. Next cycle will look something like 4 weeks dbol 50 mg/day, 10 weeks tren @ 500 ml/ week 12 weeks test e 600 ml/week or something.

I am booking an appointment with the dermatologist next week, and I am demanding Accutane, I've tried tetracycline and monocycline and they didn't work. I will also schedule to get my blood work done around a month from now.

Accutane does work I've done them when I was young. They dry you put way to much, you can't go out in the sun n swim with all your friends bc you'll be that red, ppl will then just be talking about how red you are on top of the acne. I think you should look around, do some research before you do accutane. I also know ppl that had nose bleeds out of know where on it. I have this cream now ( 50 gm benzaclin topical gel 1%/5%) this will work for every one no matter what type of acne. You can actually feel it drying out the skin in seconds where you apply it. I know your prob still Gona get accutane so if you stack that cream with accutane I can almost say this will work 100%. For the acne scares your 100% going to have, go to shoppers and pick up palmers coco butter with vitamin e. it's for pregnant woman to help get rid of starch marks. I tried lots of products for acne scares and this has worked the best. Try All this and you won't be disappointed. I know how bad acne can Bring your confidants down so low you don't even wana take your shirt off in front of other ppl. Anyway good luck.

[crunkee]

This poor guy is just gettn work over .. Eek bacne is sick ..9LBS OF BACNE 1LB of muscle gained. sic so sick

[gonebluffn]

]This isn't even relatively that much gear, done plenty of reading and plenty of guys that are pro's and what not are blast and crusing 1000 ml of test e a week or more.

I've done 2 cycles and I know what I am doing. I've done hours upon hours of researching, and I understand the risks and side effects and how to deal with all of them.

None of you guys have any idea how bad I want this. I may not have the best genetics, I may not have the best lifestyle coming from a low-mid income family. I've lead a pretty rough life, and looking at where I am now, and where I will be in 5 years due to solely my willpower and work ethic, it is worth all the pain, suffering, and adversity I've had to overcome just because people tell me "I'm different" or "slow". I've got to where I am with little support from anyone except for a few close friends I've met this year at school with similar goals as mine. Nothing else in the entire world matters to me right now except getting my education done, and my fitness goals. I know, when I am in the gym I am working harder than 98% of the people in there. I yell and scream as I push through the pain of my heavy sets as everyone around me stares, and not a single care in the world is given.

I can't even put it into words...how dedicated I am to this. I am not competing in bodybuilding or powerlifting, I lift weights because it is my life, and I love the adrenaline rush. Only need so much money, material wealth doesn't even matter to me anymore, nothing else really matters except the iron and the books. I don't care what anyone on here says, or what anyone tries to tell me in real life, I have so much heart and dedication to this...I don't even know how to put it in words. I've never been a religious person, but when I am in the gym it is the equivalent of me being in a church...I've took this all to a spiritual level that is hard to explain. All I can do when I'm not in the gym, is visualize my next workout and how I want to push myself even harder, and harder, and harder. Eat, eat, eat, gym, eat,eat,eat, chugging 3L water everywhere I go, my bottle does not leave my side.

Day 5. Shoulders and high volume ab work

Great workout, saw intensity even further increased today. My muscles were swelling with blood, and I was exhausted after my workout. Getting a bit of a moon face, more bloat and mass packing on quickly but it is all part of the bigger picture...a vision of where I want my body to be. This is only day 5 of the dbol and already looking really swole, I can see myself walking around as a Roman God at the peak of this cycle.

I wish people would just at least show a little support for me instead of telling me I am too young, or too inexperienced. Haters can keep on hating...I've got ice in my veins, steel balls, a cold bitter heart, and I am only focused...on the bigger picture.

One day I will prove a lot of people wrong that said I couldn't...I am relentless and I will succeed even with so many people trying to bring me down all of the time, I am only focused on the end result...and the end does justify the means it takes to get there.

I went to a Christmas party tonight, and was peer pressured by all my friends and co-workers to eat junk food, drink beer, and do other stupid things. I smiled said "no" about 2 dozen times and kept chewing on my huge bag of almonds while guzzling my 3L bottle of water. I am so focused and dedicated to this that I am going straight edge for at least the next 18 weeks. I do not want to limit myself, or even have the thought of telling myself that there was something I could have done better to maximize the results.

When this is a 6 page thread and people saying "Wow...amazing gains", etc. All the sacrifice...all the torture...all I've been through will have been worth it. I will one day become a man that respects himself, and other people will show respect to. I will achieve the goals I want to achieve, and live the life I want to live, or I will die trying to do what I love.

Off to meditate for 20 mins in ice shower to help with recovery, and to focus and visualize what I want to achieve...tomorrow.

8 hour sleep tonight, get in as much sleep as I can...before tren insomnia kicks in.



I want this so bad...I can't even explain..

Progress day 5 pics
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You obviosly didnt do enough research or you wouldnt be running 12.5 mgs of adex or for that matter cycling at your age.

[objective333]

I ended up running a low dosage of low dose aromasin through out. This is an old post you are referencing, I did do my research, and I know more than the majority of people here. I read all kinds of threads where people say they include weekly cheat meals, go drinking on weekends, smoke marijuana recreationally, etc Really? You call that dedication?


"Those who say it cannot be done shouldn't interrupt the people doing it".

Apparently posting about a 625 rack pull is considered spam. I wrote a long post about how I was doing more of a bodybuilding style of training rather than sticking to my power lifting style of training. I'm going to revert back to the PL style more so, and worry more so about raw strength rather than mass. People think I am crazy when I tell them I'll hit a 800 lb rack pull at 205 lbs, but I'll prove them all wrong. Maybe, even 200, we'll see.

[Konnann]

I read all kinds of threads where people say they include weekly cheat meals, go drinking on weekends, smoke marijuana recreationally, etc Really? You call that dedication?

I'm sure most of us are just trying to get bigger and add on muscle, not become pro bodybuilders. I'm not going to stop living my life while doing this, I enjoy going out and having a few drinks with friends. So if that means I'm going to have 10% BF and not 6% then so be it

[objective33]

I'm sure most of us are just trying to get bigger and add on muscle, not become pro bodybuilders. I'm not going to stop living my life while doing this, I enjoy going out and having a few drinks with friends. So if that means I'm going to have 10% BF and not 6% then so be it

That's cool, and I respect that but people should not be coming in to a thread and say you need to do more research and improve your diet/training, when theres is less than optimal while you are fully dedicated to it.

[< <Samson> >]

I don't know WTF you guys are talking about. This little guy is shredded.

But paid a insane price for it. Huge possibility of life long limp weiner, lost gains, lost hair and a shit ton of backne.


Shredded for now though. I can't say good job on this, I would only try this when I'm 40+

[Mason380]

I don't know WTF you guys are talking about. This little guy is shredded.

But paid a insane price for it. Huge possibility of life long limp weiner, lost gains, lost hair and a shit ton of backne.

Shredded for now though. I can't say good job on this, I would only try this when I'm 40+

Yeah he is in good shape , if I started getting bacne like that I'd stop altogether f*ck that it's not worth it. Girls don't care how ripped you if you have acne all over you.