8 weeks Test Prop & Tren Ace

[Buster Brown]

I hear ya about the apetite. I couldn't eat enough food on tren and will struggle a bit with the recomp this summer when staying around tdee. I think bulks are tough because you never know exactly what the end result will be once you deflate. I think smaller gains and more fat loss might be a more manageable way to cycle (for me anyway). Good log so far.

[< <Samson> >]

Thx man,

Today's bi workout was pretty good. I am really starting to see a lbm/size gain. It's just so much slower compared to a bulk. On a bulk I know no matter what I'll do, I will just blow up a bit.

But, for sure - It sucks not knowing what you will really wind up being.

[< <Samson> >]

Coming in this morning at right under 201. Still feel like I am getting leaner and more defined.

Almost a month into cycle now.

[Buster Brown]

Abs look good, must be doing something right!

[< <Samson> >]

Abs look good, must be doing something right!

I been destroying the abs ever since I started this cycle. I say might as well do it now, it's as good of time as any.

No more random rounds on the fat people's lazy ab machine.

I'm doing a lot of lats along with a ton of crunches on the decline bench. Along with rope pull downs. Also throw in 5 minutes of the plank here and there.

[< <Samson> >]

Insomnia set in, it is hard to sleep. I feel very hot, but not to the point of having sweats. Yet, my AC is cranked down low and I don't sleep with covers on.

I just seem hotter and more alert for some reason.


Not being able to sleep very well kinda sucks.


Weighing in @ right under 202. I'm gaining weight, but not fat apparently. But, it seems to be really spreading all over. Seems like it is coming in as muscle density, muscles are feeling harder all over. It's like the fat from within the muscle is going away and is being replaced with muscle tissue.

Since I am keeping the same size, but the size is much more defined.

[< <Samson> >]

Weighing in right @ 205 as of this A.M.


Kinda higher then I expected. Waist is right at 34" bi's are right under 17.75" Cold

My cals have been up for over a week, hitting 3k every day.

I'm thinking of running a strong cal deficit in the last 2-3 weeks of this cycle. Just kinda wanna get a bit more of a shredded look.


I approximate my Bf% to be right @ 14% and 12% I think will look clean. So, a 5 pound Bf loss.

[Buster Brown]

The cal deficit might be a good idea. That way you wont have to deal with losing flub during Pct. I am curious to see how you do after Pct since I am debating a cruise myself. Hope you keep your log up through Pct. Sounds like a solid cycle so far.

[< <Samson> >]

The cal deficit might be a good idea. That way you wont have to deal with losing flub during Pct. I am curious to see how you do after Pct since I am debating a cruise myself. Hope you keep your log up through Pct. Sounds like a solid cycle so far.

Fvck man, I'm not gonna BS. I have been considering staying on, TRT dosage in between of course.

But,I have a ton of PCT meds and my natural numbers were pretty high. So, I will try to PCT. I'm being realistic, staying on might be an option. But, I prefer not to. Not yet at least. But, I don't want to lose everything I worked for either. I'm going to monitor this as closely as possible(strength loss, size loss, any other neg sides).


We'll see, it's all self medication. But, it's hard to judge when to throttle yourself back.


TRT really does not seem that rough. I did it for 6+ months without problems.


No way to tell yet, but a aggressive PCT is my first option.

[ChipChelios]

Is this your second cycle ?

[< <Samson> >]

Is this your second cycle ?

No, 3rd theoretically. . . . I just never fully came off my 2nd cycle.

[Buster Brown]

Well bro, that is being honest and I can't say that I blame you and comend you. I am probably twice your age (I'm 43) and can say that you will re-invent yourself over and over. You will probably always lift but your priorities and goals will change. I am not trying to give you a Dad speech but at this point, it is well worth paying the price during Pct in the short term then paying the price in the long run and not having the chance to ever have kids. It's hard to look back and remember what size/shape we were in when we started out and be happy with what we end up with.
I vote PCT.

[Body brick]

Im on same cycle but dont know if gear is gtg. Anyone can tell me if its good or not

[Body brick]

Im on same cycle but dont know if gear is gtg. Anyone can tell me if its good or not

[Back In Black]

You've already been advised to start your own thread and not jump into other people's. you also need to edit out the website on your pics, thank you.

[Body brick]

Can I delete post

[Back In Black]

Just edit it and delete the content thanks

[< <Samson> >]

Well bro, that is being honest and I can't say that I blame you and comend you. I am probably twice your age (I'm 43) and can say that you will re-invent yourself over and over. You will probably always lift but your priorities and goals will change. I am not trying to give you a Dad speech but at this point, it is well worth paying the price during Pct in the short term then paying the price in the long run and not having the chance to ever have kids. It's hard to look back and remember what size/shape we were in when we started out and be happy with what we end up with.
I vote PCT.

You have a decade on me. I have one son, kinda want another. But, I see guys on sauce still get their girls pregnant. But, of course it will not aid the situation.

I will try to PCT no matter what. I have a ton of pharma PCT meds on hand, I got myself ready for a pretty harsh landing.

We'll see, it's just too soon to say. My first and only PCT went pretty well and I bounced back very well.

[< <Samson> >]

Just a pic from this morning. . .

[ineedauser]

Holy iPhones batman!


Should put the before picture with it

[< <Samson> >]

Yeah, the iPhones make all of this possible.


Cranking up the Tren . Going to 75mg QD along with .6-.7ml of prop and still pushing a ml of b12 EOD.

Started this already, noticeable changes yet. But, strength is up for sure. Pushed 110 pound dumbbells on the flat bench yesterday 5x.

Appetite seemed very off yesterday. I was hungry in the morning, ate - Then the rest of the day I had to force myself to eat.


Dosages don't seem to high to me from what I seen so far.

[< <Samson> >]

Jason Statham the 2nd, no?



Odd resemblance


But, I still need to be bigger.

[Hulking2016]

Wow looks like its going well hope to see more post and pictures. You should do a before and after picture

[Hulking2016]

Yeah, the iPhones make all of this possible.



Started this already, noticeable changes yet. But, strength is up for sure. Pushed 110 pound dumbbells on the flat bench yesterday 5x.

Just wondering what was you 5 rep max with dumbbells on the flat bench before you started your cycle and how much longer will you be on them?

[< <Samson> >]

Just wondering what was you 5 rep max with dumbbells on the flat bench before you started your cycle and how much longer will you be on them?

Good question, most I remember pushing out was 105x3. That was either right in the beginning of this cycle or right before it, but I was still on a low dose of test.

Be on what?

[Hulking2016]

Good question, most I remember pushing out was 105x3. That was either right in the beginning of this cycle or right before it, but I was still on a low dose of test.

Be on what?

Juice lol and how long have you bin lifting?
Forgot to ask last time but from what you know and have seen do you think Tren is better for cutting then bulking

[Buster Brown]

Juice lol and how long have you bin lifting?
Forgot to ask last time but from what you know and have seen do you think Tren is better for cutting then bulking

Tren can be used effectively for either, your diet will truly dictate the results. Tren is no joke and should be treated with the utmost respect. You can open Pandoras box very easily with tren if you aren't ready for it.

[< <Samson> >]

Been lifting on and of for almost a decade. 80%+ for almost a year and a half.

On my new dosage my pumps are almost unbearable at times. Yet, I see no new immediate LBM growth. I seem to be plateauing in my weight pretty hard now.

As far as Tren goes. I'd use it in any cycle, bulk or cut. I'm using it in my next deca bulk cycle.

As a cuter it seems to harden me up more than anything else. I just seem more defined, yet the same size & weight.


As mentioned above, diet is the key in what outcome you will see from your sauce.

Getting juiced is nothing like I once thought. Muscle on most people at least does not just spontaneously start to grow just because you are on juice. It takes a lot of time, dedication and a ton of sauce if you want that huge cut up physique.


Now I am starting to see what the difference is between the huge swoled up guys to the moderate juice user.


Personal best today. . . Hit one 385 Pound dead lift. Did a 375, them said fvck it. Might as well try a little harder and hit the 385.


Goal is to hit 405 by the end of cycle. Seems fairly reasonable.

Strength is up for sure, doing pull ups in between most of my sets. No BS, before I started this cycle I could barely do 1-2 good pull ups.


Nothing else to report, except I went pretty retarded on my diet for 3-4 days. No biggie, starting this week I will be on a extreme cal deficit and very low cardio. I got a pretty interesting 4 week cut planned. 205 seems out of range for this cycle though I am not gaining any solid LBM, period. Vascularity and definition - yes, but not solid LBM weight. Just they way it is I guess.


Looking forward to my bulk in a way. But, from what I see is that I only gain quality mass while making myself fat at the same time. LBM just does not come in, not in any measurable amount at least.

I really do hate the the idea if having to gain fat to be able to gain anything. Just shit to lose later. Yet it seems like the only way for myself. Possibly with a ton of sauce it would be different, but it's not really the way I am looking to go.

[Hulking2016]

Been lifting on and of for almost a decade. 80%+ for almost a year and a half.

On my new dosage my pumps are almost unbearable at times. Yet, I see no new immediate LBM growth. I seem to be plateauing in my weight pretty hard now.

As far as Tren goes. I'd use it in any cycle, bulk or cut. I'm using it in my next deca bulk cycle.

As a cuter it seems to harden me up more than anything else. I just seem more defined, yet the same size & weight.

As mentioned above, diet is the key in what outcome you will see from your sauce.

Getting juiced is nothing like I once thought. Muscle on most people at least does not just spontaneously start to grow just because you are on juice. It takes a lot of time, dedication and a ton of sauce if you want that huge cut up physique.

Now I am starting to see what the difference is between the huge swoled up guys to the moderate juice user.

Personal best today. . . Hit one 385 Pound dead lift. Did a 375, them said fvck it. Might as well try a little harder and hit the 385.

Goal is to hit 405 by the end of cycle. Seems fairly reasonable.

Strength is up for sure, doing pull ups in between most of my sets. No BS, before I started this cycle I could barely do 1-2 good pull ups.

Nothing else to report, except I went pretty retarded on my diet for 3-4 days. No biggie, starting this week I will be on a extreme cal deficit and very low cardio. I got a pretty interesting 4 week cut planned. 205 seems out of range for this cycle though I am not gaining any solid LBM, period. Vascularity and definition - yes, but not solid LBM weight. Just they way it is I guess.

Looking forward to my bulk in a way. But, from what I see is that I only gain quality mass while making myself fat at the same time. LBM just does not come in, not in any measurable amount at least.

I really do hate the the idea if having to gain fat to be able to gain anything. Just shit to lose later. Yet it seems like the only way for myself. Possibly with a ton of sauce it would be different, but it's not really the way I am looking to go.

One of my friends benches 345, squats 425 deadlifts 495 and has bin working out for only about 3 to 4 years and his weight is 250 and he is 6'3
Do you think he uses steroids because a lot of people tell me that's steroid stats for a junior in high school

[ineedauser]

Those numbers aren't crazy. This a BIG dude. If he is a shredded 250, id say yea he's all juiced. But those numbers aren't impressive for a 250lbs dude. My brother squats 530 and deadlifts 580 at 198lbs. He is 5'10". Not shredded though. Just strong as hell

To the OP... How are the sides?

[< <Samson> >]

There is no real way to know if someone is on the sauce. People don't know if I am in any way. So many huge guys claim to be all natural and you know they have to be.

[Live for the PUMP]

Been lifting on and of for almost a decade. 80%+ for almost a year and a half.

On my new dosage my pumps are almost unbearable at times. Yet, I see no new immediate LBM growth. I seem to be plateauing in my weight pretty hard now.

As far as Tren goes. I'd use it in any cycle, bulk or cut. I'm using it in my next deca bulk cycle.

As a cuter it seems to harden me up more than anything else. I just seem more defined, yet the same size & weight.


As mentioned above, diet is the key in what outcome you will see from your sauce.

Getting juiced is nothing like I once thought. Muscle on most people at least does not just spontaneously start to grow just because you are on juice. It takes a lot of time, dedication and a ton of sauce if you want that huge cut up physique.


Now I am starting to see what the difference is between the huge swoled up guys to the moderate juice user.


Personal best today. . . Hit one 385 Pound dead lift. Did a 375, them said fvck it. Might as well try a little harder and hit the 385.


Goal is to hit 405 by the end of cycle. Seems fairly reasonable.

Strength is up for sure, doing pull ups in between most of my sets. No BS, before I started this cycle I could barely do 1-2 good pull ups.


Nothing else to report, except I went pretty retarded on my diet for 3-4 days. No biggie, starting this week I will be on a extreme cal deficit and very low cardio. I got a pretty interesting 4 week cut planned. 205 seems out of range for this cycle though I am not gaining any solid LBM, period. Vascularity and definition - yes, but not solid LBM weight. Just they way it is I guess.


Looking forward to my bulk in a way. But, from what I see is that I only gain quality mass while making myself fat at the same time. LBM just does not come in, not in any measurable amount at least.

I really do hate the the idea if having to gain fat to be able to gain anything. Just shit to lose later. Yet it seems like the only way for myself. Possibly with a ton of sauce it would be different, but it's not really the way I am looking to go.

I am the same way. I have to put fat on in a bulking cycle if I really want good LBM gains. I don't believe in a lean bulk. At least it doesn't work well for me. I would rather have a calorie surplus and put my body in the best possible scenerio for gaining lbm.

[< <Samson> >]

I am the same way. I have to put fat on in a bulking cycle if I really want good LBM gains. I don't believe in a lean bulk. At least it doesn't work well for me. I would rather have a calorie surplus and put my body in the best possible scenerio for gaining lbm.

Just sucks ass that it comes with a price. The main problem I am seeing is that it is tough as shit to eat a ton of clean foods. Seriously 2-3 pounds if chicken per day is tough to take down.

[< <Samson> >]

Just back in from the gym. Strength is nothing short of amazing, straight up. A year ago I could barely push 85 pound dumbbells on a incline bench. Today I peeled off 115x5 with a spotter. Ten pounds to go and I will be lifting the heaviest dumbbell at the gym.

Weight is crap, weighing in at 208 flat as of this morning. I am holding water from a 2-3 day bender. Still been lifting, but man - the Jäger got me solid.

Calories are now cut for the next 4 weeks. Running my numbers @

Cal - 15-1800
Carb - 50<
Fat - as low as possible
Pro - 250>
Fibre < as much as possible

Sure would live to see a lean 205. But fvck, Tren or no Tren I still don't just pack on LBM. More cuts are great, but damn LBM sure seems to be harder and harder to obtain. And being on any sort of nutrition deficit makes it seem impossible. Even while on a bit of sauce.

[ineedauser]

What's your diet been like? Doesn't sound like you have been eating clean.

Also, you're putting on plenty of LBM on. You didn't exactly have a low bf % when starting. But you are getting stronger, leaner at the same weight. Sounds like LBM going on to me.

How are your sides?

[< <Samson> >]

What's your diet been like? Doesn't sound like you have been eating clean.

Also, you're putting on plenty of LBM on. You didn't exactly have a low bf % when starting. But you are getting stronger, leaner at the same weight. Sounds like LBM going on to me.

How are your sides?

Diet has been real good up until my "mental Vacation".

No sides really, I just run hot at most times. My sleep is just a tad more restless. But, pumps are almost painful. I feel straight swollen.

But, I'm taking down over 500mg a week now.

[Buster Brown]

Chalk it all up to experience. Your next bulk will def be alot more fine-tuned then your first one and you wont put on as much bad weight this time around. Your base is WAY better then when you first started, I'd look into carb cycling for your next bulk. Think I am heading in that direction for my bulks from now on.

[< <Samson> >]

I think my next bulk I will focus on very high cals along with med carbs and a shit ton of protein.


I'm thinking primarily from red meat on top of my current diet.

[Live for the PUMP]

I think my next bulk I will focus on very high cals along with med carbs and a shit ton of protein.

I'm thinking primarily from red meat on top of my current diet.

I use a lot of red meat when bulking. It's much easier to eat large quantities vs. chicken. Also it helps add up the calories quicker.

[< <Samson> >]

For sure, the cal to weight ratio in red meat is great.


Weighing in @ 203 Flat, feeling solid for sure.

Added Mast to the remainder of the cycle which will run an extra week(ending on June 17th).