8 weeks Test Prop & Tren Ace

[cj111]

Hey man , I didn't read the whole thread, you're using 1ml B12 eod? So 3.5 ml a week? Its not 1000mcg per ml is it ?

Good luck with the cycle, will be doing the same one in a few months.

[human project]

It's about that time, I will be starting my cycle tomorrow.

Running:

GenSys - Test Prop @ .8ml EOD (80mg) - first 2 weeks, then 100mg EOD for the last 6
GenSys - Tren Ace @ .8ml EOD (80mg) - first 2 weeks, then 100mg EOD for the last 6

B12 @ 1ml mixed with both oils <Possibly 2ml< EOD

Caber @ .25mg Every 3rd day(possibly 4th)

Still considering staying on the EC stack. But, I don't know if it will be necessary.

HCG blast for the last 4 weeks straight into PCT @ 250iu Every 3rd day(possibly EOD)

Very Aggressive PCT:

Clomid 100mg/75mg/50mg/50mg/50mg
Nolvadex 40mg/20mg/20mg/20mg/20mg

I have been "on" for nearly six months, running a TRT type dosage for the last four months while cutting.

Weighing in right now @ 197 flat. Bf% IMO is right around 13%. Waist is slightly over 33"(my 34 pants are loose, but stay on), bi's are almost 17.5" on a full pump, slightly over 17" cold. . . . I am the biggest and leanest I have ever been, period. It took over a year to get here and maybe I didn't go about it the best way possible, but it worked pretty well. Can't complain so far, everything has been real stable so far.

Diet break down is pretty simple.

2,700 cal +
250g's of protein + +(the more the better, closer to 300)
250g's of carbs (possibly a little less)
Null fat g's (the less the better)

Diet consists of: chicken, fish, protein powder, egg whites, greens, whole wheat bread, brown rice, Greek yogurt, oats and some fruit. I drink on extremely rare occasion(maybe once a month if that), hardly slip up and eat garbage.

Lifts are still very respectable, strength has not dropped much since my last real cycle. - Maybe about 10% at most.

I'll be keeping this updated whenever there is a notable difference in anything. Still really have no idea what to expect from this cycle. I'd love to end up at about 205 pounds even leaner than I am now.

I miss tren so much...... I literally even wore my tren shirt today..... Can't wait to have it back in my arsenal

[< <Samson> >]

I do the b12 eod, I have 2 kinds. One is 1000mcg per ml, the other is 1000mcg per 2 mL. No matter which one I shoot, I only take a ml.

The b12 is more of a filler to clean up the oil out of the pin. I still can't tell what it really does. Maybe my hunger is better, which makes no difference since I am back to a cal deficit.


I got this stuff so cheap, I couldn't say no.



But, yeah - changed my protocol a bit for the remainder of the cycle.

80mg of Tren QD
40mg of Prop QD
60mg of Mast QD


I got the mast out of nowhere and it's not enough for a later cycle, so might as well try it out for a month.

[Sfla80]

I do the b12 eod, I have 2 kinds. One is 1000mcg per ml, the other is 1000mcg per 2 mL. No matter which one I shoot, I only take a ml.

The b12 is more of a filler to clean up the oil out of the pin. I still can't tell what it really does. Maybe my hunger is better, which makes no difference since I am back to a cal deficit.

I got this stuff so cheap, I couldn't say no.

But, yeah - changed my protocol a bit for the remainder of the cycle.

80mg of Tren QD
40mg of Prop QD
60mg of Mast QD

I got the mast out of nowhere and it's not enough for a later cycle, so might as well try it out for a month.

When u say b12 used as a filler to clean the oil out. How do u do this? Pin he oils, change the pin but not the barrel? Tried mixing it into one pin my first time, but it's very hard to control the pinning. Since the oil is slow then b12 pins fast.

[< <Samson> >]

I mix all of my oils and b12 in one barrel. On my next order I am moving to 5ml syringes.

I try my best to get the b12 at the end so it pushes the oil through. I started swapping pins between the 2nd injection site too. But, most of the time I just hit a full 3cc's into one site.


Just passing time on the treadmill. Hit 365 x3 on my squats, solid and clean. Going straight for 405 by the end of cycle on squats & deads. My bench is just not there. Focusing on dumbbells instead.

Weighing in right under 202. Waist is almost 33" flat, bi's are the same.

My neck is fvcking 2"+ bigger than when I started over a year ago, over 18.5" now. My neck about 4 years ago was under 15".

[Buster Brown]

Abs are looking great bro!!! Weighted dips and declines helped my bench out alot. Too bad flats hurt my rotator cuffs so much.

[< <Samson> >]

Too bad flats hurt my rotator cuffs so much.

Same exact shit here, it's like my arms are just too long to fully drop the bar to my chest.

Dumbbells seem to be doing a good job on getting my chest strength in. Declines are cool and so are inclines. But, flat bench not so much.


Plus my chest has been my extreme weak point. I still remember pushing out 155 x5 and that was a beating. That was only about 6 years ago.


I sure wish I come up with a pic from when I was 25 or so. I started with damn near nothing and knew nothing about growing back then.


I have focused on abs for months now. Not just for aesthetics, but support too. I am trying my best to incorporate every part of the body when working out. Back in the day I would just do set after set of curls and other single movement exercises.

Got a little less than a month to go. Should be way shredded by then. My diet can't get any leaner/better on my budget. I always wanted to see single digits on my Bf%. Maybe it'll be possible this time around.


Next year, my plan is the same. But, hopefully at least 10 pounds heavier and the same Bf%. Growing LBM is difficult as fvck.

[Live for the PUMP]

I do the b12 eod, I have 2 kinds. One is 1000mcg per ml, the other is 1000mcg per 2 mL. No matter which one I shoot, I only take a ml.

The b12 is more of a filler to clean up the oil out of the pin. I still can't tell what it really does. Maybe my hunger is better, which makes no difference since I am back to a cal deficit.


I got this stuff so cheap, I couldn't say no.



But, yeah - changed my protocol a bit for the remainder of the cycle.

80mg of Tren QD
40mg of Prop QD
60mg of Mast QD


I got the mast out of nowhere and it's not enough for a later cycle, so might as well try it out for a month.

lmao. Accidentally ran into some Mast eh. I am thinking about running into another compound on my current cycle too. Just see what it does for a few months. ABS look great man. I'm jealous! You have came along way. I remember following your first cycle..

[< <Samson> >]

Well, the mast was an accident. Home slice just sent me some mast prop instead of test prop. Welly well, what should I do with it? Shoot it is

[< <Samson> >]

Feeling pretty sauced, nothing too insane to report.

Weighing in at a solid 203 now.

Lifts are insane. . . Ran 275 on a Smith shoulder press x5. I say pretty impressive


Next set of squats and deads I am shooting for 405.

Still getting leaner I suppose, too bad I feel a mild bloat throughout the day due to my one+ gallon water intake along with a damn near all protein diet.

Close to pushing one ML of TA per day along with the Mast and Prop.

The pumps come and go, but when they come I sure feel gnarly. I feel the mostly beastly at the gym yet. . . All of this while running a ECA stack.


BP is dead nuts perfect 110-130 & low 70's.


Nothing negative at all so far, sleep is fine the only other thing notable is my anger. I seem not to have worse temper, but when I do get mad no one should be around. This also maybe caused by the ECA and my low carb intake. Even without the sauce, the ECA makes me very irate at times.


Here's a pic after the gym. . . . My veins have veins, my neck veins on lifts just look insane and I think are starting to scare people a bit.

[Buster Brown]

Nice shoulders press!!!!!

[Indymuscleguy]

Cool vascularity!

[< <Samson> >]

I think I am pretty close to my current limit. Hit 405 on my squats x3 today. Shitty form, the last one I almost lost. But, at least I had safety bars on in our cool safe squat rack. But, still - Losing that would be just horrid.

Weighing in at 204 this morning. Waist is right at 33.5" Bi's are almost 17 3/4"


I am still growing even on a cal deficit. . . . Cool shit.

[< <Samson> >]

Nothing really exciting to report here so far.

Weight is the same as last post, but the strength is still climbing. Hit 135 pounds 4x on a standing easy curl with perfect form. < Damn clean in my book.

Now I can do chin ups for days too.

[Buster Brown]

Time to start weighted Chins!

[< <Samson> >]

Time to start weighted Chins!

Ehhhh, I like doing chin ups between my heavy sets along with push ups and other calisthenic type shit.

On my next cycle, I think all of that will go out the door. And I will stick to a 5x5 heavy routine on everything.

[< <Samson> >]

Progress is now gone to hell. . . . I am having some serious issues not connected to my cycling. But, I am close to a point of not being able to lift. Went to the gym today for the first time in 4 days. Had a real solid workout, strength is still nothing short of amazing.

Fat seems even lower than before. . . .

Trying my best to push at least through the end of this cycle. . . .


Shit sure can take a turn for the worst @ least likely time. . . .

[Java Man]

I miss tren so much...... I literally even wore my tren shirt today..... Can't wait to have it back in my arsenal

You have a shirt that just says "TREN" ? lol! I want one. Did you find a new job yet?

[Java Man]

I think I am pretty close to my current limit. Hit 405 on my squats x3 today. Shitty form, the last one I almost lost. But, at least I had safety bars on in our cool safe squat rack. But, still - Losing that would be just horrid.

Weighing in at 204 this morning. Waist is right at 33.5" Bi's are almost 17 3/4"


I am still growing even on a cal deficit. . . . Cool shit.

Nice progress samson. I've never seen anyone have 405 or > get away from them. That would be cool to have on video lol. as long as nobody gets hurt that is

[< <Samson> >]

Night #3 of damn near no sleep. In the last 3 nights I possibly have slept a total of 6 hours.

Starting to feel like a zombie. Along with this, I wake up hot as hell and my house is @ 70 degrees.

I am stopping the Tren , haven't decided on the test & mast.

But, this is too rough to handle alongside my other current issues.

I would PCT out if I didn't already know how that would go.

[Sfla80]

Night #3 of damn near no sleep. In the last 3 nights I possibly have slept a total of 6 hours.

Starting to feel like a zombie. Along with this, I wake up hot as hell and my house is @ 70 degrees.

I am stopping the Tren , haven't decided on the test & mast.

But, this is too rough to handle alongside my other current issues.

I would PCT out if I didn't already know how that would go.

Havent done much research with tren yet, except the threads asking about it. But been following your log and have been thinking about running it next time round. But seems like u didn't have bad sides until now. And im curious why it hit u so late? Especially since u are using tren ace.

[< <Samson> >]

Well I still shot the TA today. But, it seems like the sides are creeping up now.

I don't know why so late in cycle. Maybe my body is just getting fed up under the train.

But, my stress has to be aiding the situation.

I dropped my dose to 50/50/50 QD, I just need to be able to sleep.

[< <Samson> >]

Had a very solid workout today. Strength is just amazing, just climbs every week.

Pushed 90 pound dumbbells x5 with mad tricep injection pain. Hit something today in my try that seems to ache a bit under certain loads.

Still keeping at it with a low dose of Tren , Mast & Prop.

Now I'm right around 60 days being on this cycle total. Total days will be right under 75, seems a tad long for these compounds and QD injections are getting a bit old.


Next cycle should be a breeze with just twice weekly shots.

[< <Samson> >]

Stopped the tren , my new gear seems to have been way stronger or it just got worse with time. I say the tren was way stronger.

The odd heat waves and sweating alone was getting tough.

Staying on 100mg EOD of Mast and 120mg EOD of prop until I come back from vacation, then onto PCT.

End pictures as of today. . . . . Not, bad - Not bad at all. . . . . Just hoping a low dose of tren will not give me these sides far into cycle since next round I will be running only 250mg of tren enan alongside deca and test for 90 days.

[Buster Brown]

Shoulders are looking good.

[Gaspaco]

Solid!!!

[< <Samson> >]

Beast mode, just hit 405 dead lifts x2

[mrglorious]

Have you lost bodyfat while on tren ?

[< <Samson> >]

Have you lost bodyfat while on tren ?

Yes, but not like expected. The Tren does not seem to be a fat lose supplement in any way. Yet it does raise your body temp.

[mrglorious]

Yes, but not like expected. The Tren does not seem to be a fat lose supplement in any way. Yet it does raise your body temp.

So did u feel that the combination of test prop and tren ace helps u to lean out ? Did u considet adding winny to your cycle ?

[< <Samson> >]

So did u feel that the combination of test prop and tren ace helps u to lean out ? Did u considet adding winny to your cycle ?

Helps lean out < not directly, yet again it seems like the diet is what makes the difference. The sauce does nothing directly to actually make you lose fat.

I did actually consider Winny a little. But, not with the tren . I would have just done test & winny.

[< <Samson> >]

The TA is over but I'm still pumping close to a g a week of test and almost a g a week of mast.

Peeled off 3 405 pound squats today. With 2 heavy sets of 315 x10 each.

Suck that. . . Ha ha ha


At this point I would almost say I prefer the mast over the tren . But, the volume blows ass. The real life strength of one compound to the next is off the scale. I would say 1 to 3, if not 4.

Still looking forward to the next big bulker. Just the idea of tren e doesn't settle so well. Even @ just 300mg a week, since it will be a 12 week cycle.

[< <Samson> >]

The cycle has officially come to an end. One shot left for tomorrow of mast and test.

Here are the pics as of this morning, weighing in at 201 pounds. Being this lean @ 220 or so has to look so gnarly. I say a year or two and I'll be there.

[Buster Brown]

Looking solid bro, please keep us updated through PCT.

[< <Samson> >]

Looking solid bro, please keep us updated through PCT.

Will do, starting the meds tomorrow. I am ready for a bumpy ride. . . Anything else will just be great, but I don't expect anything less than the worst.

[Buster Brown]

One thing that is a plus is that you wont need to shed any fat which is a huge plus. You will have your peaks and valleys.....I hear ya!

[< <Samson> >]

One thing that is a plus is that you wont need to shed any fat which is a huge plus. You will have your peaks and valleys.....I hear ya!

Fvck yeah, fat gain blows ass since you need to lose that shit later.

I'm still working on my diet for my next bulker. From what I see, keep everything the same just up it even more.

I'm not anywhere on here much, except for the PCT section. Keeping my marbles in check is a full time job since my PCT is so extreme.


No cycles again though for quite a bit. Well, quite a bit being about 4-5 months.


My next run sounds damn good though, sure would love to see some more serious LBM gain.