Female, 16 Week Cutting Cycle: EQ + Primo + Var (+Clen)

[ambernightly]

Interesting.

Does EQ affect your appetite? I've read that it makes some people ravenous like stoners in a Jack in the Box parking lot.

It does at higher doses I think... When I was on 400mg/week EQ this past spring it made me hungry I think - but I was also on 100mg/d Anadrol at that point + 550g/week of Tren -E (just one week of that... couldn't go longer b/c girl) so that complicates things. I usually have some stimulants in my system when on cycle to combat hunger unless I'm in a bulk and add cannabis to specifically make myself eat more. Usually I'm very good at keep on my macros and self-controlling hunger urges (just drink more water or have a piece of fruit).

[GirlyGymRat]

It does at higher doses I think... When I was on 400mg/week EQ this past spring it made me hungry I think - but I was also on 100mg/d Anadrol at that point + 550g/week of Tren-E (just one week of that... couldn't go longer b/c girl) so that complicates things. I usually have some stimulants in my system when on cycle to combat hunger unless I'm in a bulk and add cannabis to specifically make myself eat more. Usually I'm very good at keep on my macros and self-controlling hunger urges (just drink more water or have a piece of fruit).

I run phen 15mg once a day until I found this ECY stack which cures me of all hunger....almost works too well. LoL

I am still very interested in EQ. Need to figure out the cycle me myself.

You prefer longer cycle duration over shorter? What's the shortest you run? I tried 12 weeks and found the sides too much esp wanting to snap at ppl which is not my norm.

[ambernightly]

Here's an update on my doses. I've switched over to Masteron Prop and, after running steroid plots for a bit to see saturation differences for Primo when injecting more than 1x/week... I'm switching to EOD for both Primo and Masteron (after doubling up yesterday and today). Smaller amounts in each injection but much less peak/valley to the milligram saturation levels, more like a ripple in a pond

I'm up to 150mcg/day of Clen . Thinking that I might extend this one more week using the histamine method, still want a bit of body fat to drop off before stopping that compound. I also started taking oral Estradiol at the recommendation of my gyno, for about the same reason as doing EOD injections - to get my E2 on a more even dose saturation curve vs IM injection.

Insulin proves to be interesting and I've been increasing my doses over time. I'll keep running this for the full cycle unless my opinion on it changes.

Here's a pic! I have a corresponding front pic but it's without a bra... can't post that one! (tattoo is photoshopped out in this pic, hence the odd banding in one spot, it's intentional).

Mood is pretty good in the last week. Lots of positivity. Minor roid rage , expected and not out of the ordinary for me with these doses. Been hitting the gym 2-4hr/day with 1 day off in the last week. Right shoulder is a bit sore.

Date	Week	Oral - morning	Oral - evening	AAS-1	AAS-2	Clen	Insulin	Adderall	Stim 2	Estradiol
7/29/2015	1	10mg Var	10mg Var	100mg Primo	100mg EQ			40mg		10mg IM
7/30/2015	1	10mg Var	10mg Var					40mg
7/31/2015	1	10mg Var	10mg Var					40mg
8/1/2015	1	10mg Var	10mg Var					40mg
8/2/2015	1	10mg Var	10mg Var			50mcg		0mg
8/3/2015	1	10mg Var	10mg Var			80mcg		20mg
8/4/2015	1	10mg Var	10mg Var	100mg Primo	100mg EQ	80mcg	0iu/5iu	40mg
8/5/2015	2	5mg Var	5mg Var			80mcg	5iu/3iu	40mg
8/6/2015	2	5mg Var	5mg Var			115mcg	4iu/4iu	40mg
8/7/2015	2	5mg Var + 50mg aDrol	5mg Var			120mcg	4iu/4iu	40mg	Modafinil
8/8/2015	2	5mg Var	5mg Var	50mg Primo	100mg EQ	120mcg	4iu/4iu	80mg	Modafinil
8/9/2015	2	5mg Var	5mg Var			120mcg	5iu/0iu	40mg	Modafinil
8/10/2015	2	5mg Var	5mg Var	25mg Primo	50mg EQ	120mcg	4iu/4iu	40mg
8/11/2015	2	5mg Var	5mg Var			125mcg	4iu/6.5iu	80mg		1mg/oral
8/12/2015	3	5mg Var	5mg Var	25mg Primo	20mg Mast-p	140mcg	6iu/5iu	0mg		2mg/oral
8/13/2015	3	5mg Var	5mg Var	25mg Primo	20mg Mast-p	150mcg	6iu/4iu	40mg		2mg/oral

[ambernightly]

I run phen 15mg once a day until I found this ECY stack which cures me of all hunger....almost works too well. LoL

I am still very interested in EQ. Need to figure out the cycle me myself.

You prefer longer cycle duration over shorter? What's the shortest you run? I tried 12 weeks and found the sides too much esp wanting to snap at ppl which is not my norm.

The main issue with EQ for me is the super long (12 weeks) saturation curve until it's finally out of the system enough to not be messing with Test levels. That's specifically why I just switched to Masteron ... the EQ I ran this spring messed with my blood work twice, even after being off cycle for enough time to have everything else get out (except the EQ). So even with taking anti-androgens my T level was too high post-cycle and it was pissing me off.

Shortest has been 4 weeks, longest has been 10 weeks. I'm on the fence about running it again in the future: it's SO much fun and I love the energy but the sides do suck by comparison to AAS choices that women can take instead.

[ambernightly]

Here's the new dose curves for reference. I have to cut this cycle short and end it at the start of September because I have to get surgery on an old injury. So... I'll stay on cycle through week 5 and then let the doses taper out of my blood on week 6.

• 20 mg Anavar, taken every day from week 1 through week 1.
• 10 mg Anavar, taken every day from week 2 through week 4.
• 100 mg Equipoise, taken every 6 days from week 1 through week 1.
• 50 mg Equipoise, taken every 3 days from week 2 through week 2.
• 100 mg Primobolan Injectable, taken every 6 days from week 1 through week 1.
• 25 mg Primobolan Injectable, taken every 2 days from week 2 through week 2.
• 20 mg Primobolan Injectable, taken every day from week 3 through week 4.
• 16 mg Masteron Propionate, taken every day from week 3 through week 4.
• 8 mg Masteron Propionate, taken every day from week 5 through week 5.

Plot URL: https://tinyurl.com/oeqmms9

[NACH3]

What type of injury do you have?? I heard you mention your shoulder?! Just curious... Back looks sick btw!

[ambernightly]

What type of injury do you have?? I heard you mention your shoulder?! Just curious... Back looks sick btw!

It was a perfectly preventable foot injury involving the "just stomp on it harder" type of movement. Injury was to the inferior extensor retinaculum ligament (Inferior Extensor Retinaculum: Foot Injury Symptoms And Treatment)

My shoulder usually flares up if I've been overworking it but that's due to having my arm pinned behind my back in a fight back in July; it was overextended in the joint but it's getting better. Just have to go easier on my sets to let it heal faster.

Masteron feels amazing so far. This is the first time I've had that in a cycle and I'm really enjoying the fast onset of the propionate ester. Oddly it's the only compound that's ever given me muscle pain or tenderness at the injection site but it seems to be dose dependent (the initial injections I did were larger than the ones I'm on ED currently). No rash or redness and isn't injection site specific, dissipates in 3-4 hours.

[Far from massive]

Great thread, really enjoy reading threads with this kind of attention to detail, both the meds and the detail on the thread itself.

Also thanks for taking the time to share your results, and yeah your looking great, abs are fantastic.

Mast is one of my favorites and works very well for cutting, although my experience has been in combo with Test C and Tren A.

Funny you mentioned the cycling in the other VAR thread. I used to be a decent road cyclist, unfortunately it was about 36 yrs ago when if you won a race you might get a 100 dollars but more likely some bike parts.

FFM

[ambernightly]

Great thread, really enjoy reading threads with this kind of attention to detail, both the meds and the detail on the thread itself.

Also thanks for taking the time to share your results, and yeah your looking great, abs are fantastic.

Mast is one of my favorites and works very well for cutting, although my experience has been in combo with Test C and Tren A.

Funny you mentioned the cycling in the other VAR thread. I used to be a decent road cyclist, unfortunately it was about 36 yrs ago when if you won a race you might get a 100 dollars but more likely some bike parts.

FFM

Part of my job includes statistics/analytics and performance monitoring, so I apply those skills to my daily life (especially fitness) in a lot of ways. Works quite well for iterative cycles in bodybuilding

Yeah, I always got free gear for racing or paid entry for races and travel expenses but never paid any real income aside from that. Hence I worked in the bike industry at the time to pay for rent and food... really fun time in my life but I had to stop and "get a real job" as my parents put it. What kind of racing did you do?

[ambernightly]

Visual update. Here's me mid-rotation doing some core rotation using 15lbs in each hand, 3x50 sets. Maintaining the same 172-174lbs range but staying caloric deficient... cutting up that lean muscle is going well and my six pack is really firming up nicely.



I've been doing cardio zone based lifting sets lately.

Trying to moderately workout every muscle group each day, but do 3 days on 1 off. That simulates mountaineering much more so than doing groups on alternate days like for a bulk cycle.

I want to train for using my whole body at 75-90% of max HR zone for at least two hours at a time... Low weight high rep 3x25 to 3x50 sets when possible, keeping HR in zone 4-5 the whole time.

Keeps the muscles toned and lean without putting on bulk = more striations without having to be on diuretics to show definition.

And the added benefit is that I can kill one group, let HR go down to 145 and then start on another group, then another, go back to the first group now that it's rested a bit, repeat all of that till supersets for the whole body are done.

That way every day is arms, shoulders, back, abs, core, traps, dead lifts, quads, and so forth. It's working out really well so far.

[GirlyGymRat]

Visual update. Here's me mid-rotation doing some core rotation using 15lbs in each hand, 3x50 sets. Maintaining the same 172-174lbs range but staying caloric deficient... cutting up that lean muscle is going well and my six pack is really firming up nicely. <img src="http://forums.steroid.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=158847"/> I've been doing cardio zone based lifting sets lately. Trying to moderately workout every muscle group each day, but do 3 days on 1 off. That simulates mountaineering much more so than doing groups on alternate days like for a bulk cycle. I want to train for using my whole body at 75-90% of max HR zone for at least two hours at a time... Low weight high rep 3x25 to 3x50 sets when possible, keeping HR in zone 4-5 the whole time. Keeps the muscles toned and lean without putting on bulk = more striations without having to be on diuretics to show definition. And the added benefit is that I can kill one group, let HR go down to 145 and then start on another group, then another, go back to the first group now that it's rested a bit, repeat all of that till supersets for the whole body are done. That way every day is arms, shoulders, back, abs, core, traps, dead lifts, quads, and so forth. It's working out really well so far.

Your training approach is different and it's working for you! Looking amazing!

[ambernightly]

Your training approach is different and it's working for you! Looking amazing!

Thanks

I usually do sets with alternating muscle groups, the more standard methods, when I'm bulking or trying to do some manner of aesthetic toning to spot-treat a muscle/group. But.... since I'm getting ready for mountaineering trips and ice climbing this winter - I have to train differently. Once my foot heals more I'll add in a whole lot of cardio to this routine (6-120min) in addition to my usual 45-130min weight+machine sets.

[bloodchoke]

cardio to this routine (6-120min)

6 minutes -- that's my kind of cardio!! (I know it's a typo)

[Far from massive]

I did road racing, back then the best bikes were either Reynolds or Columbus steel tubing and the latest trick thing was 6 cog rear sprocket so you had a whooping 12 gears LOL. Of course on the bright side since I also worked in the industry as a bike mechanic, I had great access to parts deals and bought a set of 16 Clement Super Seta extra silk sew ups for 200 dollars they were 165 gram tire/tube combo's that I ran on 200 gram rims (pre Kevlar) they would hold 165 lbs of pressure but the traction at that pressure was poor to say the least. But boy were they a lively tire on the street.

That was back in the mid 70s and like you it was one of the most enjoyable times of my life, I had a resting HR of 36 and really good endurance and always did good in things like the states were it was a real 130 mile road race but most of the stuff back then was 30-50 mile criteriums where all that matters is being good at sucking wheel and having a kick at the end. Anyhow like you I had to pay bills, but in my case I went back to working as a mechanic and drag racing motorcycles and cars which was a whole lot of fun also.

Will be following your thread, FFM

PS If you find that others say the mast you have is more painful than usual it may be the PH. As this will cause just the kind of short term pain you speak of, fortunately unlike bio-burden is generally pretty harmless.

[ambernightly]

6 minutes -- that's my kind of cardio!! (I know it's a typo)

lol ... well sometimes I do cut it short to 10-15min (like this week with my foot injury preventing anything longer than that, which sucks for any kind of warm up prior to weights).

[ambernightly]

PS If you find that others say the mast you have is more painful than usual it may be the PH. As this will cause just the kind of short term pain you speak of, fortunately unlike bio-burden is generally pretty harmless.

Very interesting. I think you're correct. I tested that by doing my morning injection in a single syringe instead of two separate ones (so Primo + Mast in one go) and the localized pain is only about 20% of what it was when pinning Mast by itself. I'll ask my source if the PH level is different on the batch I'm injecting.

[ambernightly]

Ok, so here's the data from week 3 and part of week 4, which brings us up to date from the last time I pasted my spreadsheet data. Some personal notes and reflection on medical stuff...

Clen, Respiratory, Blood Pressure: Tomorrow will mark 7-days post Clen , which means only 7 more to go before I can start that back up... which is frustrating because I just love love love being on Clen. I decided not to use ketotifen to extend the cycle because I'm trying to get rid of an upper respiratory infection - which you'd think Clen would help with because it's a great bronchodilator, but you would be wrong because I already tried that. Concurrently using vasoconstrictor medication (like phenylephrine or oxymetazoline) to curb the associated runny nose only serves to increase orthostatic hypotension and make me feel like I'm going to die... so that was an interesting thing to learn about. No cold medicine while on Clen or Adderall - but you can take 40mg of Propranolol to calm that BP down quick, and by high BP I mean (140/93, 135/101, 150/91, 147/94, etc). Not cool. Usually my BP, even on AAS and high dose Clen, is in the normal (not pre-hypertensive) range. **** Afrin nasal spray, but I guess I should have done extra homework before using medication my doctor prescribes because he doesn't know I'm on gear.

Psychological: Made some minor changes to my doses again, based on the very medical "how I feel on a lower amount" personal opinion. Pretty common for me to do that, especially when trying a new compound like Mast, and tune things as I go along. Feeling great. Roid rage has gone down significantly, which I attribute to 1) getting way more consistent sleep because I got ahold of some Clonitrazolam and have been taking it occasionally, 2) having switched from EQ to Masteron ; DHT based compounds tend to give me less rage for some reason, 3) possibly because of being off of Clen since it does tend to give me a shorter than usual temper threshold (despite being so fun!). My emotional range has returned to more than one emotion and I can feel empathy + sympathy again, that's nice for the time being (sometimes life is easier when you can't feel enough to care; and yes I do have a psychiatrist and therapist before you start wondering what level of crazy is going on here... it's a fair amount). Energy is great. Injury sucks as noted in previous posts. Overall very pleased with life and the direction my body/gains are heading - dysmorphia has calmed down significantly and I'm pretty sure I can see what other people see when they look at me... they 'mirin, I know

Insulin: Stopped the insulin cycle after a week since I didn't want to run it without also running Clen, as I'm not trying to bulk up and the carb requirements for proper glucose level management on Slin simply do not fit with my end-goal here (diet was 37% protein while on Slin vs 57% without Slin). I was injecting after my morning core/ab workout and then again in the afternoon/evening when at the gym (injection 30 min prior to end of workout w/ 15 and 30min timers for carb/supplement loading). Also I got tired of checking my glucose levels all the time with lancets... having to find a decent bathroom to spike in at the mall or while in rush hour traffic gets old really fast.

AAS overall: I'm very pleased with the current combination of low dose Var, moderate dose Primo, and (I think) moderate dose Masteron. I was going to switch over to Mast-E this week but I'm waiting to hear back from my surgeon regarding the recovery time - if it's more than 3 days of bed rest or limits me from driving for more than 4 days then I'm going to reschedule and can then extend my AAS cycle. We'll see... I don't like downtime.

Yeah sure: One of these days I'll get my doses and compounds down perfectly for bulk and cut cycles and not have to modify things as much, one of these days. My body continues to be a walking science experiment in many ways - and nothing builds knowledge like first hand experience

Diet: have been consistently 600-1000 calorie deficient most every day and have maintained the same weight range as the start of my cycle, but have gotten much more defined + intensely more vascular + lower body fat. My diet is great, super duper healthy as usual... very micronutrient oriented.

Data for review:

Date

Week

AAS-Oral 1

AAS-Oral 2

AAS-1

AAS-2

Clen

Insulin

Adderall

Stim 2

Estradiol

Day of Week

Beta Alanine

Taurine

L-Glutamine

Creatine

Note

8/12/2015

3

5mg/5mg Var

25mg Primo

20mg Mast-p

150mcg

6iu/4iu

40mg

2mg/oral

Thursday

3g

6g

12g

4g

8/13/2015

3

5mg/5mg Var

50mg aDrol

20mg Primo

16mg Mast-p

150mcg

4iu/0iu

40mg

2mg/oral

Friday

3g

3g

8g

Left foot extensor injury

8/14/2015

3

5mg/0mg Var

10mg Primo

8mg Mast-p

110mcg

0iu/0iu

0mg

2mg/oral

Saturday

3g

4g

6g

rest day

8/15/2015

3

5mg/0mg Var

10mg Primo

8mg Mast-p

0mcg

0iu/0iu

0mg

Modafinil

2mg/oral

Sunday

3g

3g

6g

rest day

8/16/2015

3

5mg/0mg Var

10mg Primo

8mg Mast-p

0mcg

0iu/0iu

40mg

2mg/oral

Monday

6g

3g

6g

major hypertension

8/17/2015

3

5mg/0mg Var

10mg Primo

8mg Mast-p

0mcg

0iu/0iu

0mg

2mg/oral

Tuesday

6g

3g

8g

pre-hypertension

8/18/2015

4

5mg/0mg Var

45mg Primo

42mg Mast-p

0mcg

0iu/0iu

40mg

2mg/oral

Wednesday

8g

4g

8g

3g

8/19/2015

4

5mg/0mg Var

20mg Primo

16mg Mast-p

0mcg

0iu/0iu

0mg

2mg/oral

Thursday

3g

4g

6g

8/20/2015

4

5mg/0mg Var

20mg Primo

16mg Mast-p

0mcg

0iu/0iu

0mg

2mg/oral

Friday

6g

6g

6g

[GirlyGymRat]

Nice week other than the injury! Masteron will likely be my next cycle.

[bloodchoke]

Thanks for your openess, ambernightly. I'm a bit of a mess myself. I like being strong and fast and I like the attention/response I get from women (from anyone, really) but the #1 reason that I exercise is that it is the only thing that I found that keeps my depression at bay; I do it to stay alive. If I keep myself really busy and sore, and keep myself honest about who/what I am, and divorce myself from expectation, surround myself with dogs, blah blah blah, then I'm pleasure to be around (it short bursts). Losers lose; winners win.

Nice week other than the injury! Masteron will likely be my next cycle.

I'm still a few cycles away form masteron, but it's def in my top 3 compounds of interest!
Without getting too far ahead of myself, I'm thinking my next year or so will look like:
1) dbol /test
2) test/tren
3) test/mast

[ambernightly]

Thanks for your openess, ambernightly. I'm a bit of a mess myself. I like being strong and fast and I like the attention/response I get from women (from anyone, really) but the #1 reason that I exercise is that it is the only thing that I found that keeps my depression at bay; I do it to stay alive. If I keep myself really busy and sore, and keep myself honest about who/what I am, and divorce myself from expectation, surround myself with dogs, blah blah blah, then I'm pleasure to be around (it short bursts). Losers lose; winners win.

Absolutely. Fitness and getting enough time at the gym or outside is critical for managing my mental health. There's definitely people in my life that think AAS isn't healthy and that I shouldn't be doing them, but these people fail to understand the following:

1) endocrinology basics and hormone management for mood stabilization. AAS and HRT = a very simple way to manage levels over time by comparison to the mood shifts that I would (and used to have) without AAS cycles. I see AAS as a tool in my mental and physical health management, not a drug for abuse. All of my gear is even pharma grade (see pic below).
2) they don't know how I feel inside and they don't have the authority to say what's best for me. They don't know how AAS feels and how it can be used to manage energy and vitality, which has a huge impact on overall stability in life. I get more blood tests and know more about my physiology than anyone else in my life - as referenced by the stats I keep in this thread, which are not all of the stats I track.
3) AAS is a requirement for my fitness at this point in life. I've had many years of pushing my body to the physical maximum without medical assistance, being on gear is a natural extension for my personal goals at this point. I do my best to be as responsible as possible - I don't drink, smoke, or eat poorly. None of the detractors can say the same about their lives.

So... how about a pic of my daily supplements and gear? Sure. This does not include bulk supps or protein (BCAAs, Beta Alanine, Taurine, etc etc which don't fit into the pic.

Gear, Scripts, and Supps

[bloodchoke]

And high-five to you! *We* are responsible for *our own* happiness.

[ambernightly]

Joints are killing me in the last five days. Decided to dump the 1x/week 50mg Anadrol that I take and re-cap it into 5mg that I can take ED. Right shoulder is really hurting and have to use KT tape and tylenol to get regular life stuff done. Not an acceptable situation.

That should buffer my joints more consistently (better saturation curve, less peak/valley) while allowing me to take less per week (35mg/week vs 50mg/week), which I hope will give me more of the benefits and less of the side effects; water retention being the biggest. I want some retention for the joints but the huge peak that starts the same day as taking the cap and fading into the next 1-2 days just blows up my anabolic profile which equates to me cranking out harder sets at the gym on those days == (higher likelihood for injury + (less consistent dose curve over time == spiky emotions)). That's a shitty function there but I'm not in prime equation notation mode at the moment

Taking the whole weekend off from lifting. Been organizing the kitchen and doing food prep. Meh.

[GirlyGymRat]

Joints are killing me in the last five days. Decided to dump the 1x/week 50mg Anadrol that I take and re-cap it into 5mg that I can take ED. Right shoulder is really hurting and have to use KT tape and tylenol to get regular life stuff done. Not an acceptable situation. That should buffer my joints more consistently (better saturation curve, less peak/valley) while allowing me to take less per week (35mg/week vs 50mg/week), which I hope will give me more of the benefits and less of the side effects; water retention being the biggest. I want some retention for the joints but the huge peak that starts the same day as taking the cap and fading into the next 1-2 days just blows up my anabolic profile which equates to me cranking out harder sets at the gym on those days == (higher likelihood for injury + (less consistent dose curve over time == spiky emotions)). That's a shitty function there but I'm not in prime equation notation mode at the moment Taking the whole weekend off from lifting. Been organizing the kitchen and doing food prep. Meh.

Sometimes it's best to listen to the body!

[ambernightly]

Body pic update. Down to 9.4% yesterday. Trying for 8 (or sub-8) by the end of the weekend. Shouldn't be too difficult since my sodium intake is higher than I'd like - cut that down and what little water I'm hanging onto will drop a bit.

Mood: excellent, feeling great about life and direction
Rage: exceptionally pleasing mode (you know what I mean)
Energy: Pretty good amount but feeling drained in the evenings.
Injury: foot is @ 80%, shoulder is @ 80% - been focusing on abs+core+legs and doing more stretches
Sleep: s'ok... could always be more rested :/
Overall: pleased

9.4 % Body Fat and nicely vascular

[< <Samson> >]

Ripped - then some

That's some dedication

[ambernightly]

Ripped - then some

That's some dedication

Thanks ��

That's ~14 hours per week of gym time including rest days. The last four percentage of fat loss has been all micronutrition. Haven't been on Clen for about ten days now.

[tectime]

Very tight girl ! Great job!

[GirlyGymRat]

Looking awesome!!!

[ambernightly]

Here's the weekly update. Decided to split up the spreadsheet for better readability on the forum w/o having to zoom out to see all of the fields like the previous posts.

Having the injury issues going on with joints made me swap out Var for low dose Anadrol + taking low dose Insulin post-workout (not pre+post like earlier in the month). That change helped get me back into high gear again and I'm back at the weights doing 100% of pre-injury sets and feeling great.

Just had my blood work done today... waiting for all of the results to trickle in. So far I know that my E2 is @ 36 pg/mL which is stupidly low (probably part of the reason why I was able to rapidly reduce to low BF % - see one of the photos for the progress stats). Thinking I'll inject 5mg estradiol valerate like *right now* to get it back into healthy female range. Using oral estradiol (1mg/2x-day) to give me 36 pg/mL when I could use injectable... while taking anadrol and all of this other gear? That seems like a bad idea... definitely going back to intramuscular estrogen until I talk to the doctor (it was his idea to switch to pills).

Looks like it's time to change things up... I don't know if I have much to gain by staying on cycle at this point. I've reached my fitness goal much faster than expected. Have to think about this for a bit...

AAS and Primaries

Date	CarnoSyn	Taurine	Glutamine	Creatine	Note
8/20/2015	3g	4g	6g	3g	shoulders (injury)
8/21/2015	6g	6g	6g	3g	abs, arms
8/22/2015	3g	3g	3g	3g	rest day
8/23/2015	0g	0g	0g	0g	rest day
8/24/2015	6g	6g	6g	6g	abs, legs
8/25/2015	3g	3g	3g	3g	arms, shoulders
8/26/2015	3g	3g	3g	3g	back, core, abs
8/27/2015	6g	6g	6g	6g	traps, triceps, core
8/28/2015	3g	3g	3g	3g	arms, shoulders

Caloric Breakdown

[ambernightly]

Ok for some reason it didn't post all of the message. I don't know why. Here are the spreadsheets. Sure wish there was an "edit post" button somewhere on the interface but I can't seem to locate it.

AAS and Primaries

Date	CarnoSyn	Taurine	Glutamine	Creatine	Note
8/20/2015	3g	4g	6g	3g	shoulders (injury)
8/21/2015	6g	6g	6g	3g	abs, arms
8/22/2015	3g	3g	3g	3g	rest day
8/23/2015	0g	0g	0g	0g	rest day
8/24/2015	6g	6g	6g	6g	abs, legs
8/25/2015	3g	3g	3g	3g	arms, shoulders
8/26/2015	3g	3g	3g	3g	back, core, abs
8/27/2015	6g	6g	6g	6g	traps, triceps, core
8/28/2015	3g	3g	3g	3g	arms, shoulders

Caloric Breakdown

[ambernightly]

Wtf with this forum software... once again...

Date	Week	Oral-1	Oral-2	AAS-1	AAS-2	Clen	Insulin	Adderall	Estradiol
8/20/2015	4	5mg/0mg Var		20mg Primo	16mg Mast-p	0mcg	0iu/0iu	0mg	2mg/oral
8/21/2015	4	5mg/0mg Var		20mg Primo	16mg Mast-p	0mcg	0iu/0iu	0mg	2mg/oral
8/22/2015	4	5mg/0mg Var	50mg aDrol	10mg Primo	10mg Mast-p	0mcg	0iu/0iu	40mg	2mg/oral
8/23/2015	4	5mg/0mg Var		10mg Primo	10mg Mast-p	0mcg	0iu/0iu	40mg	2mg/oral
8/24/2015	4	5mg/0mg Var	5mg aDrol	20mg Primo	15mg Mast-p	0mcg	0iu/4iu	0mg	2mg/oral
8/25/2015	4	10mg aDrol		20mg Primo	15mg Mast-p	0mcg	0iu/4iu	40mg	2mg/oral
8/26/2015	5	10mg aDrol		20mg Primo	15mg Mast-p	0mcg	0iu/4iu	40mg	2mg/oral
8/27/2015	5	10mg aDrol		20mg Primo	15mg Mast-p	0mcg	0iu/4iu	40mg	2mg/oral
8/28/2015	5	10mg aDrol		20mg Primo	15mg Mast-p	0mcg	0iu/4iu	40mg	2mg/oral

Date	Calories	Protein	Fat	Sugars	Carbs	Fiber	Calcium	Potassium	Sodium	Cholesterol
8/20/2015
8/21/2015	2142	208g	37g	70g	176g	54g	3481mg	791mg	2491mg	56mg
8/22/2015	2021	203g	59g	19g	167g	48g	2023mg	2133mg	3117mg	193mg
8/23/2015	1902	96g	37g	68g	259g	24g	3375mg	2929mg	2720mg	179mg
8/24/2015	2974	207g	75g	138g	360g	61g	1571mg	1739mg	3072mg	203mg
8/25/2015	1354	116g	32g	36g	156g	25g	2955mg	170mg	2130mg	75mg
8/26/2015	2138	221g	56g	64g	175g	36g	1541mg	1257mg	3250mg	172mg
8/27/2015	1827	175g	49g	45g	181g	25g	1420mg	170mg	1995mg	130mg
8/28/2015	1958	150g	36g	127g	257g	20g	1032mg	430mg	1783mg	226mg

[bloodchoke]

Good job, ambernightly! Congrats!

[GirlyGymRat]

Enjoy reading your posts.

One observation and appreciate your comments.

You make adjustments in dosage and compounds. I do but not to the same extent. Some compounds have loading periods.

Are u relying on blood work to make adjustment or how u are responding during the week?

[ambernightly]

You make adjustments in dosage and compounds. I do but not to the same extent. Some compounds have loading periods.
Are u relying on blood work to make adjustment or how u are responding during the week?

1) Something about my cycle "feels off" in either physical or mental ways so I look at my current plot and consider what I could change depending on the compound. Eg: From past experience, I know what too much EQ feels like, what too much Deca feels like, too-much/too-little Anadrol feels like. Adjust as necessary when able (EQ is very difficult to adjust due to the long half life but Propionate compounds and orals are very easy to adjust doses on).
2) Blood work: if T or E2 is too high/low then I adjust as necessary. I have amiridex and nolvadex on hand if E2 is too high, estradiol gel/caps/injection to raise E2 levels, anti-androgens to combat excessive T levels, and an amateur pharmacy level of meds to deal with other sides - several options per each issue: high or low blood pressure, anti-anxiety, sleep meds, stims, anti-psychotics, SSRI/SNRI, blah blah blah. Keep glucose on hand + glucose monitor in my gym bag on days that I'm running Slin.

For me it's a combination of how my body feels, what my blood is up to, and what my statistics say about vital signs. I'm pretty close to buying a Sp02 monitor and ECG/EKG machine off of ebay. I used to have a script for Epinephrine (for anaphylactic shock issues) but I need to refill it since all of my epi-pens expired. I want to get an O2 tank and rebreather just to have around... I can't help it... I should have just gone into med school instead of my current career.

[GirlyGymRat]

You can still go to medical school!

Thx for your detailed response. I get BW before and after so rely on how I feel. I don't consider estrogen since girl parts are gone. Testosterone could feel on cycle.

Now that Progesterone is that tricky hormone docs seem to ignore.....

[ambernightly]

I don't consider estrogen since girl parts are gone.

So... do you take HRT for estradiol or how do you manage E2 levels without a natural source? I try to keep mine between 150-300 pg/mL and can always tell when it's not in range due to my emotional state and a couple of other physical factors.

Now that Progesterone is that tricky hormone docs seem to ignore.....

Right?! I don't understand why they do.. my doc seems to think it's an ignorable hormone. Seeing as how it converts to testosterone you'd think an endocrinologist/sexual-medicine doc would consider P to be just as important in the mix as T and E. When I had super low prolactin and wasn't on gear I would take 100-200mg/day of Prometrium to stay in range. Helped a lot with depression and sleep. I'd consider Progesterone to be the least understood/neglected hormone - shame though, it makes a big difference in many ways.

Speaking of estrogen.... I was reading more about Masteron and it's an anti-estrogen (not as much as amiridex or nolva) but it [insert science here that's too much for me to remember on my first cup of coffee] does dramatically change E2 levels. I'm trying to figure out how much of a difference it makes in my cycle but it's difficult to determine since the doc switched me to oral estrogen and now there's too many variables changing to narrow down the cause/effect.

[GirlyGymRat]

So... do you take HRT for estradiol or how do you manage E2 levels without a natural source? I try to keep mine between 150-300 pg/mL and can always tell when it's not in range due to my emotional state and a couple of other physical factors. Right?! I don't understand why they do.. my doc seems to think it's an ignorable hormone. Seeing as how it converts to testosterone you'd think an endocrinologist/sexual-medicine doc would consider P to be just as important in the mix as T and E. When I had super low prolactin and wasn't on gear I would take 100-200mg/day of Prometrium to stay in range. Helped a lot with depression and sleep. I'd consider Progesterone to be the least understood/neglected hormone - shame though, it makes a big difference in many ways. Speaking of estrogen.... I was reading more about Masteron and it's an anti-estrogen (not as much as amiridex or nolva) but it [insert science here that's too much for me to remember on my first cup of coffee] does dramatically change E2 levels. I'm trying to figure out how much of a difference it makes in my cycle but it's difficult to determine since the doc switched me to oral estrogen and now there's too many variables changing to narrow down the cause/effect.

I was on prescription oral until recently. Now cream for estrogen and huge difference for me. I wasn't able to budge any fat until I came off Estratest.

No obgyn is going to prescribe test for me even tho it is low. Toying with idea of low dose self administered. I enjoy reading Angel Bites responses in female HRT sub forum on this same subject.

I have done a little research on progesterone and it is complicated and not as well understood. Obgyn never discusses. He just keeps telling me I am in great shape, better then the 20yo. I don't expect him to be my HRT doc and I am too frugal to pay out of pocket. Rather buy new shoes as long as I feel good.

[ambernightly]

I was on prescription oral until recently. Now cream for estrogen and huge difference for me. I wasn't able to budge any fat until I came off Estratest.

No obgyn is going to prescribe test for me even tho it is low. Toying with idea of low dose self administered.

Yeah, estratest is garbage. Much better to use regular estradiol (in gel or injection) without the added methyltestosterone , and then add in testosterone (or a more superior AAS) and control doses that way. The estrogenic compounds (Esterified Estrogens) in Estratest is one of the worst ways to put estrogen into the human body and leads to all manner of health issues. Estradiol Valerate or Estradiol Cypionate are far superior and are the more modern choice for HRT.

"Esterified Estrogens, USP is a mixture of the sodium salts of the sulfate esters of the estrogenic substances, principally estrone, that are of the type excreted by pregnant mares. Estrone is one of several natural estrogens, which also include estriol and estradiol. Estrone is the least abundant of the three hormones; estradiol is present almost always in the reproductive female body, and estriol is abundant primarily during pregnancy... Estrone is known to be a carcinogen for human females as well as cause breast tenderness or pain, nausea, headache, hypertension, and leg cramps. Estrone is relevant to health and disease states because of its conversion to estrone sulfate, a long-lived derivative. Estrone sulfate acts as a reservoir that can be converted as needed to the more active estradiol."

Estrogel is nice... I have some of that but only as a reserve if I run out of intramuscular. The IM type, made by Bayer, can be purchased online legally, it's not a controlled substance, and it's actually cheaper for me to buy it myself than to use co-pay and get it via the prescription that I have for it at Walgreens. Same with Progesterone - you can buy it online and dose it yourself if so desired. PM me if you want the online pharmacy that I use.

[ambernightly]

Started PCT several days ago, figured some notes are in order. Compounds and doses as follows...

Spiro = Spironolactone. Anti-androgen to assist in normalization of T level back to female off-cycle range. Also functions as a potassium sparing diuretic.)
Duta = Dutasteride. 5α-reductase inhibitor for type I,II,III. Blocks conversion of Testosterone to Dihydrotestosterone. Helps prevent hair loss issues and other virilization sides from use of the DHT based compounds I was using on-cycle.
Clonidine = time release BP med to get me below pre-hypertensive range, also functions as an anti-anxiety med (although I haven't noticed any benefit there as of yet).
TUDCA = Tauroursodeoxycholic Acid (taking 250mg/2x-day, not listed on spreadsheet). Liver support.

Date	Week	DoW	AAS-Oral 1	AAS-Oral 2	AAS-1	AAS-2	Clonidine	Insulin	Adderall	Estradiol
8/28/2015	5	F	10mg aDrol		20mg Primo	15mg Mast-p	0mg	0iu/4iu	40mg	1mg/oral
8/29/2015	5	S	100mg Spiro	0.5mg Duta	-	-	0.15mg	-	80mg	10mg IM
8/30/2015	5	Sn	200mg Spiro	0.5mg Duta	-	-	0.3mg	-	40mg	-
8/31/2015	5	M	200mg Spiro	0.5mg Duta	-	-	0.3mg	-	40mg	-
9/1/2015	5	T	200mg Spiro	0.5mg Duta	-	-	0.3mg	-	40mg	-
9/2/2015	6	W	200mg Spiro	0.5mg Duta	-	-	0.3mg	-	0mg	-

Emotional state: So Much Rage, So Angry.
Energy: Still going to the gym for 1.5-2hrs/day except Sat/Sun for rest days... feels good when I'm there but feel shitty before and after workouts. Stomach not happy, lethargic in general, very tired most of the time. Poor sleep (but that's nothing new).

Just need to relax... been going hard all summer. Pics in next post.

[ambernightly]

I should note that, although not on the PCT compounds list, I also take NAC / Milk Thistle / R-ALA every day (on and off cycle).

And now some pics...

Back/Shoulders - Day 1 of PCT


Forearms - Day 1 of PCT


Front - Day 1 of PCT