First ever Test E only cycle

[ghettoboyd]

Jangles, NO No no . you don't need to drop your calories (your only 170 pounds),, the initial spike in weight is just a bit of inter cellular water retention and muscle glycogen storage (both a good thing). after 8 weeks your weight will stabilize.

I agree stop eating super clean.. a mcdonals burger or two will help you get the calories you need and since aas enhances nutrient partitioning you body will use every bit of food you eat clean or not...bottom line is EAT buddy...

[ghettoboyd]

I would also consider stopping any cardio at all...you are not helping yourself in your goal to gain weight and muscle with cardio as thin as you are imho...

[Jangles1]

I would also consider stopping any cardio at all...you are not helping yourself in your goal to gain weight and muscle with cardio as thin as you are imho...

Thanks for your comments mate.

I dont have any issues eating haha. So I dont feel the need to NOT eat clean. I want to avoid adding fat, so I will jsut eat 3300 for now a day and mainly keep them clean.

If i need to up to 3500 or 3800 I can easily with a simple INSANT Oats shake every morning. Not an issue.

I will see how my weight is on 3300 this Monday coming. I just want to build to 3500 a day (550 above maintaiance according to the stickies in this forum).

Any more wil surely just promote fat gains?

Again, I have NO issue eating more. Its fine. Im just going off advive of not eating more than a 500 surpluss to avoid unesessary fat gains... I was on 3000 for the last 2 weeks and ive still gains 9lbs.

[Jangles1]

PS -


PIP was a bit bad last night and today. Its given me quite the dead leg but I can still walk and lots of Deep Heat and a hot bath with Epson salt this morning seems to have calmed it right down!

[Jangles1]

Day 21

Pin

Right V Glute. Used a 25g but didn't like it as it felt no difference pain wise but took much longer to inject and more chance of wiggling the needle about longer. Wont be using again!!! Other than that, it went smooth.

Gym

Really fucking good. Feeling stronger every day still. This is week 4 today so I am expecting better gains in and the kick in within the next week / 2 weeks..

Diet

Solid. Was on 3300 cals last week but upped to 3500 this week.

Weight


Starting - 170.4

Last week - 179.2

This week - 180.4

Looks like the water weight has levied out and I only put on 1lbs. As you saw above, I have no upped my cals. I will keep going, up to 4000 if I need too.

Sides

First sign of sides are 1 red pimple on my chest and one on the right shoulder. Not something id usually get.... Other than that, nothing.

PIP

Warmed the oil, iced the entry point, injected slowly, did LEGS workout after and had a bath when home. Got some slight pip, more than last week but nothing MAJOR!

MISC

I decided to add a beginner does of T-bol (50mg) so I have some class 2 anabolic properties to my current Test cycle.

I did this to enhance my bodies ability to put on lean tissue and get some strength benefits. I only plan on doing 1 bulk and then 1 cut cycle so I want to get the most out of this cycle and reap the rewards of my work ethic in the gym and kitchen and all the money, time and hard work I have invested into this.

Research and help / feedback has led me to understand that protein synthesis, nitrogen retention, and other anabolic functions will all be increased with the added compound in Tbol.

I throughly researched Tbol and what I needed to protect my liver. I did another thread about that if you're curious about th

Conclusion


Feeling super good. My mind has never being so focused and all in all this cycle is going swimmingly. Cannot wait for the next couple of weeks!!

[GearHeaded]

Jangles, what are you running for an AI and at what dose ?

beginning to get a bit of acne may be a sign that your DHT levels are elevating (nothing to be too concerned with), you could supplement with Saw Palmetto which will help keep DHT in check by blocking 5-alpha-reductase (enzyme that converts testosterone to DHT).

keeping DHT in check will also help limit prostate and balding issues that could arise

[Jangles1]

Thanks mate.


Arimidx 0.25 every other day bud.

Saw Palmetto ordered mate. 500mg

What dosage do you recommend?

[GearHeaded]

1 to 2 caps per day

[Jangles1]

I usually go by the label but always like to check.

What do you think about the weight gain only being 1lb?

I am GUESSING that my metabolism is working super well and with all my food intake being solid nutrition, I need to smash in more cals. I have read that your maintenance calories and what is normally right totality changes when on AAS.

Anyway, Il keep adding a few 100 calories each week until I am seeing 2lbs a week minimum gain.

[Mr. Small]

Weight gain of 1lb a week is not bad result really.

[Jangles1]

Thanks for your input there mate.

Usually id aim for it 1lbs a week, but I would aim for that without AAS. Im going for 25/30lbs with this being my first AAS and starting at 170.

[Mr. Small]

Thanks for your input there mate.

Usually id aim for it 1lbs a week, but I would aim for that without AAS. Im going for 25/30lbs with this being my first AAS and starting at 170.

Shoot for 14/15lbs dude, the rest would be bodyfat.

[Jangles1]

Well what I mean I have read an average person on their first Test E 500 cycle ''''usually''' you can expect to get 25/30 and keep 15 right. This is diff for everyone I know.....

Hoping to keep a good 10/15 from this cycle with Tbol, Test 500, 6 week PCT and solid diet and training.

TBH im not really too worried about what I am aiminor by the end of it, I was just thinking that I should be getting at least 2lbs a week.

Just focusing on diet and gym. I guess I will see how I fend on 3500 calories this week

[songdog]

Day 21

Pin

Right V Glute. Used a 25g but didn't like it as it felt no difference pain wise but took much longer to inject and more chance of wiggling the needle about longer. Wont be using again!!! Other than that, it went smooth.

Gym

Really fucking good. Feeling stronger every day still. This is week 4 today so I am expecting better gains in and the kick in within the next week / 2 weeks..

Diet

Solid. Was on 3300 cals last week but upped to 3500 this week.

Weight


Starting - 170.4

Last week - 179.2

This week - 180.4

Looks like the water weight has levied out and I only put on 1lbs. As you saw above, I have no upped my cals. I will keep going, up to 4000 if I need too.

Sides

First sign of sides are 1 red pimple on my chest and one on the right shoulder. Not something id usually get.... Other than that, nothing.

PIP

Warmed the oil, iced the entry point, injected slowly, did LEGS workout after and had a bath when home. Got some slight pip, more than last week but nothing MAJOR!

MISC

I decided to add a beginner does of T-bol (50mg) so I have some class 2 anabolic properties to my current Test cycle.

I did this to enhance my bodies ability to put on lean tissue and get some strength benefits. I only plan on doing 1 bulk and then 1 cut cycle so I want to get the most out of this cycle and reap the rewards of my work ethic in the gym and kitchen and all the money, time and hard work I have invested into this.

Research and help / feedback has led me to understand that protein synthesis, nitrogen retention, and other anabolic functions will all be increased with the added compound in Tbol.

I throughly researched Tbol and what I needed to protect my liver. I did another thread about that if you're curious about th

Conclusion


Feeling super good. My mind has never being so focused and all in all this cycle is going swimmingly. Cannot wait for the next couple of weeks!!

Why add the Tbol when you don't even know how your body will react (gains with test)?

[GearHeaded]

Thanks for your input there mate.

Usually id aim for it 1lbs a week, but I would aim for that without AAS. Im going for 25/30lbs with this being my first AAS and starting at 170.

the initial weight gain you get on your first cycle , the first 4-5 weeks or so, is going to be intercellular water retention (this is a good thing, its filling out your muscles) and increase glycogen stores in the muscle (which is a good thing as well as it will make your fuller, stronger, and increase workout capacity).

supra-physiological levels of Testosterone allow your body to hold a lot more water and glycogen in the muscle cells then is humanly possible natural. So weight gain comes rather rapid at first as the cells 'fill out' and fill up. an easy 15 pounds right there alone.
then you start being able to lift heavier and harder, this recruits more muscle fibers and breaks down more muscle fibers and thus ultimately repairs and grows those fibers . this is what will be happening the second half of your cycle, you begin to start putting on actual tissue.
the weight gain is a bit slower during this process. just make sure you keep filling up and replenish your glycogen stores though with a solid amount of carbs in your diet.

depending on your bodies ability to hold glycogen and water and put on new tissue, 25-30 pounds is quite possible on a first cycle.
holding onto the weight after the cycle is over is going to depend on how well your body is able to acclimate to the new weight and how fast your natural test levels recover . the gains that are lost when coming off a cycle are generally the glycogen and intercellular water weight , the actual new muscle and tissue growth will likely remain if your protein and calories are high enough in PCT (never attempt a cut or calorie deficit in PCT)

[kelkel]

depending on your bodies ability to hold glycogen and water and put on new tissue, 25-30 pounds is quite possible on a first cycle. holding onto the weight after the cycle is over is going to depend on how well your body is able to acclimate to the new weight and how fast your natural test levels recover . the gains that are lost when coming off a cycle are generally the glycogen and intercellular water weight , the actual new muscle and tissue growth will likely remain if your protein and calories are high enough in PCT (never attempt a cut or calorie deficit in PCT)

That's the problem though. Guys tend to lose motivation and consistency during pct and after. Nutrition then suffers and subsequently the money spent on the previous cycle flies out the window. Then they feel they must have to do more on the second cycle as the first just wasn't good enough. Vicious "cycle."

[Jangles1]

Anyone who looses motivation in PCT is in no fit state to ever do AAS imo. Its without a doubt the most important part of the cycle and I know for me that I will approach it as methodically and through as my 1 - 12 weeks cycle.......

This 6 weeks ( I am doing 6 to really ensure I keep my gains) time window is where you loose or keep your gains, how can you not be absolutely one point wit it.. Madness!

Once I start PCT I shall simply adjust my calories so I am gaining no more than 1lbs a week and carry on lean bulking until the start of my cut 3 months later.. That will be 6 months bulking (3 with AAS) and should put me in a good position to cut up

Maybe my dedication is different to some people, IDK.

[Jangles1]

I have noticed 3 more spots pop up on my face/head. 2 are little whiteheads at either side of the bottom of my nose (right in the corner) and one is more of a red boil on the side of my head,

I get these NOW and again in life, but it seems like a little bit of a breakout with the one of my chest (gone now) and the one on my shoulder.

I have got a really good all in one facial scrub, wash etc and separate moisturiser to use when I wake and before bed,

Could this be Test E related ?

[The Deadlifting Dog]

I have noticed 3 more spots pop up on my face/head. 2 are little whiteheads at either side of the bottom of my nose (right in the corner) and one is more of a red boil on the side of my head,

I get these NOW and again in life, but it seems like a little bit of a breakout with the one of my chest (gone now) and the one on my shoulder.

I have got a really good all in one facial scrub, wash etc and separate moisturiser to use when I wake and before bed,

Could this be Test E related ?

Seriously???

You didn't know that steroids cause acne??
Hormones in flux cause acne for many.
Wait until PCT and after.
I break out the worst after my cycle is over.

[Jangles1]

No no I know AAS promotes acne in some people.

However, I thought Acne was a big breakout. Not little white heads in multiples spots around the face. They're just little separate spots.

Also MOST cases are on Chest, Shoulders and Back...


(Pics attached show what I assume Acne is and what comes up when you google the word)






Anyway I guess the oily skin from the Test E is just causing the spots, or at least making them easier to appear.

[Jangles1]

Seriously???

I break out the worst after my cycle is over.

Ahh right ok. That sucks man....

Anything on the face?

[ilalin]

from experience:

500mg/w not less for gains for 8 weeks, try to do 250mg 2x/w for stable blood levels
250iu HCG 2x/w starting the third week of the cycle until 2 weeks after last shot
if you aromatize easily, and you will with 14% bf, 12.5mg exemestane/d during whole cycle, stop two weeks after last shot
50 to 100mg mesterolone/d if available, not 100% necessary
20mg clomiphene or tamoxifen /d for 4-6 weeks starting 2 weeks after last injection
Isotretinoin during cycle to treat severe acne only, several showers a day with soap to treat increased sebaciouis gland activity, keep the skin clean and oil free as much as you can. Same goes for your face. Indoor tanning might combat acne since UV essentialy acts as a sterilizer.
oh, and also don't forget the most important, 1.5g protein/lb lbm/d

[Jangles1]

I do 2 x 250mg Monday and Thursday....



Todays macros have been protein heavy. Usually its 250 - 300 with more carbs...


325g - protein
337 - carbs
87 - fats (all healthy fat far as I know from milk, nuts, food)

[songdog]

Some people get acne no matter wat it's the nature of the beast.

[Jangles1]

Some people get acne no matter wat it's the nature of the beast.

haha I look like a woman with all the shit ive got (Scrub, Clenser, Moisturiser)

[hollowedzeus]

haha I look like a woman with all the shit ive got (Scrub, Clenser, Moisturiser)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=korIOEPGPPs

maybe give you some ideas

[Jangles1]

hahahahaha unsure if sarcastic....

Just going to take care of my skin more from now on with this. Should have thought about that before really!!

[songdog]

What’s up guys

Decided after a 3 month cut it’s time to start my bulk and first ever, extremely researched AAS cycle.

I’ve been lifting for 4 years and changed my body a lot. Filled out a lot but added a lot of fat too which i spent a while getting rid off on a slow, high protein diet cut.

I have cut down from 205 at the start of the year (a lot of fat and water was probably added due to getting an injury that put me out for 6 months).

Since training began 4 years ago I have struggled to put on as much natural muscle as I wanted do to injures that have set me back. I am doing AAS to build a solid keepsake base to build on naturally once the cycle has finished. With this in mind, keeping my lean tissue gains is crucial. I take this serious and have a good diet, training regime and the right attitude. I count calories daily and have expanded my knowledge on training substantially over the time I have trained.


Stats

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Age - 30
Height - 6ft
Weight - 170lbs
Body Fat - 14%

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I have been thorough in my AAS research and gained enough knowledge to feel comfortable enough starting a cycle. I can’t get my body fat lower without going really light, and for my heigh, it’s unsafe.


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Test Cycle

I will be using Austinites begginer bulk with a few small changes.

The first change is that I will be starting off at 250ml of Test E a week. Purely to see how my body reacts. I also don’t want to be at all massive. I want slow and steady keepable gains and don’t really want people to know due to my job.

I may up to 350ml at week 8 if sides are ok. We will see.


The other changes

- I was “thinking” about doing was hCG the last 4 weeks instead of the entire cycle. But tbh I may just start it next week and follow the process. I have read good and bad about both methods so it’s hard to choose. Any constructive advice here is welcome ???

- I plan on doing a 6 week PCT to ensure my gains are kept and health is in check.

- I am adding in Sarms GW at 20mg a day to help with endurance and not affect cardio.

I have the liver protector sorted, Armidex ready to take 0.25 EOD starting from tomorrow and of course all my PCT (Clom and Nova)


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Log


I will update this every 2 - 3 days and promise I will finish this. A lot of people just seem to stop. As long as people are engaging though I will keep at it.

The 2 reasons for me doing a log are

- I want to help others like me who don’t want to jump in at 500ml a week. 90 % of the loggers do this and or add a second AAS.

- It would be reassuring to get feedback and advice along my cycle.


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Bloods (taken last week)


Test - 482
LH - 9.1
FSH - 8.94
Estrogen - 16


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Training and diet


On point and approved by my (natural) bodybuilding competetor personal trainer friend. Not a bro split in sight. Can post if requested.

I am to start of 300 cal about maintenance and build to 500 max to avoid fat being added.

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I think that’s about it. Below I will start with day 1

So here you list your age 30 but in another thread you told a kid who was 22 that you were 22 also wat gives bro!

[Jangles1]

Huh?

I am 30.

10th March 1987....

Where did I say that? Think you got the wrong person bro. lol

Zero reason to lie.

[Jangles1]

Day 27

Pin

Did my 8th pin yesterday. Coming up to the end of week 4. Left thigh. Was shitting it due to not being able to walk for 5 days last time. The pint went smooth but fuck me it hurt and felt horrible doing it. Experience helped me stay calm and not panic like I did a few weeks ago (when I pulled out).

Gym

Solid. Really feeling great. No HUGE strength gains and still not seeing anything in terms of body changes.

Diet

Had 2 cheat meals this week (Pizza and TGI Friday). Felt guilty haha, but made up for it with solid workouts and extra cardio. Its mad how food guilt can you feel haha.

Weight

Will be updated this coming Monday.

Sides

Nothing from the Test. Spots have gone down and no other issues.

Tbol pumps seem to have started. Such a strange feeling in the lower back on Deadlift and Bent Over Row. Tricky to explain but I am only 5 days in an on 50mg a day + 6g of Taurine a day and Magnesium tablets.

PIP

Was super bad yesterday. Felt like it was going to be a repeat of the first time I injected into the left quad. Thankfully did not get worse and I CAN WALK today haha.

Conclusion

Its been 4 full weeks (nearly) and I know shit is going to get real. Its tough putting so much effort into something and not seeing big changes fast. Its all down to patience and it is hard to inject twice a week and not see shit for 4 weeks. But thats how it is so just have to suck it up and crack on. Really hope it kicks in next week

[songdog]

Huh?

I am 30.

10th March 1987....

Where did I say that? Think you got the wrong person bro. lol

Zero reason to lie.

11/15 Riskz11 Sust 250 1st cycle on pg 2

[Jangles1]

11/15 Riskz11 Sust 250 1st cycle on pg 2

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PS - I dont want to sound like I am on my high horse, but I waited til age 30 to do AAS after 4 years of traning and understsnding diet, counting cals, how to do a propper routune etc. I have had injuries along the way and not made the progrress I wanted, but the knowledge is there. When I decided to embark on AAS I researched it THROUHGLLY. Before I even thought about injecting myself with a compound I knew exactly what I needed, I had eveyrthing I needed, I understood PCT, how important bloodwork was, what suplliments I needed etc etc etct. Ive had questions along the way, but I am very knowledgble in the essentials. I went over 'My First Cycle: Planning and Executing a Successful First Cycle' 5 or 6 times in a month, learning it all and understanding it all.

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Not a clue what you're on about man.

Clearly state Im 30. You seem to have it out for me, so if you have nothing nice or at least constructive to say, please do not bother. Thank you!

[songdog]

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PS - I dont want to sound like I am on my high horse, but I waited til age 30 to do AAS after 4 years of traning and understsnding diet, counting cals, how to do a propper routune etc. I have had injuries along the way and not made the progrress I wanted, but the knowledge is there. When I decided to embark on AAS I researched it THROUHGLLY. Before I even thought about injecting myself with a compound I knew exactly what I needed, I had eveyrthing I needed, I understood PCT, how important bloodwork was, what suplliments I needed etc etc etct. Ive had questions along the way, but I am very knowledgble in the essentials. I went over 'My First Cycle: Planning and Executing a Successful First Cycle' 5 or 6 times in a month, learning it all and understanding it all.

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Not a clue what you're on about man.

Clearly state Im 30. You seem to have it out for me, so if you have nothing nice or at least constructive to say, please do not bother. Thank you!

Not out for you bro just read wat you wrote and wanted you to explain so there is no reason for you too be hostile just wanted a explaination you wrote it.

[David LoPan]

No no I know AAS promotes acne in some people.

However, I thought Acne was a big breakout. Not little white heads in multiples spots around the face. They're just little separate spots.

Also MOST cases are on Chest, Shoulders and Back...


(Pics attached show what I assume Acne is and what comes up when you google the word)






Anyway I guess the oily skin from the Test E is just causing the spots, or at least making them easier to appear.

I never get pimples until I read this.

[Jangles1]

Not out for you bro just read wat you wrote and wanted you to explain so there is no reason for you too be hostile just wanted a explaination you wrote it.

Im not hostile mate. Just seems all your posts with me are a tad negative while I'm doing this log to help others and get advice along the way from more knowleable guys like your help. I may not do everything the way 1 person tells me, but I always listen, analyse and apply the feedback given to me by my AAS piers (so to speak). Im here to learn


Anyway I am 30, unfortunately. When I was 22 I was living in Ibiza sniffing coke off tits every week...... lmao

[Jangles1]

I never get pimples until I read this.

hahaha well thats unlucky

[songdog]

Im not hostile mate. Just seems all your posts with me are a tad negative while I'm doing this log to help others and get advice along the way from more knowleable guys like your help. I may not do everything the way 1 person tells me, but I always listen, analyse and apply the feedback given to me by my AAS piers (so to speak). Im here to learn


Anyway I am 30, unfortunately. When I was 22 I was living in Ibiza sniffing coke off tits every week...... lmao

No they were not ment to be negative and still waiting on a reason why you told Riskz11 you were 22.I give safe advice and when I see someone going agaist wat we say I ask why now if that seems neg to you I am sorry but too many guys think they need way more gear than they reallyneed to gain size.They rely on the gear and not the food and the food is 95% of getting big.So wat this really comes down to is you don't like to explain yourself or can't makes no difference.I have no problem watching people mess up.

[Nogbad the bad]

No they were not ment to be negative and still waiting on a reason why you told Riskz11 you were 22.I give save advice and when I see someone going agaist wat we say I ask why now if that seems neg to you I am sorry but too many guys think they need way more gear than they reallyneed to gain size.They rely on the gear and not the food and the food is 95% of getting big.So wat this really comes down to is you don't like to explain yourself or can't makes no difference.I have no problem watching people mess up.

This is something i've
been thinking about recently; due to the advice given to anyone under the age of say 25,on here possibly being perceived as negative
regarding gear,how many join up,telling folk they're 30 or whatever,just to get a more positive reaction.
If i was 21,intended using gear regardless but wanted positive advice,then it would seem lying about my age,would be the way to go.
I wonder how many,if any members on here,are actually considerably younger than they purport to be....i wish to fuck i was!

[charger69]

No they were not ment to be negative and still waiting on a reason why you told Riskz11 you were 22.I give safe advice and when I see someone going agaist wat we say I ask why now if that seems neg to you I am sorry but too many guys think they need way more gear than they reallyneed to gain size.They rely on the gear and not the food and the food is 95% of getting big.So wat this really comes down to is you don't like to explain yourself or can't makes no difference.I have no problem watching people mess up.

Sound dog has a point. If you wrote that you were 22 and you are not, an explanation is in order. I do not think SoundDog has been negative. He has voiced his views.
I am not for or against anyone and I try not to judge people.

[Jangles1]

WTF man. Where did I write this ? I never wrote I was 22 ffs ?????

Read my quote above from the thread where I say i’m 30 !!

No idea where this 22 thing is coming from and Songdog has not showed me. He has told me the thread where i apparently said that and I’ve gone in that thread and clearly say I am 3 0 !!!


Look at the thread and look at the quote above.