PHASE II - BLT is back, and it's going to be scary.

**BUYLONGTERM** · 01-26-2004, 11:41 AM

Originally Posted by zx7racing

i can not believe the difference between your first and last pic.. i came on the board around the time you did, and remember some of the threads and posts you put up-- youve made some remarkable progress...

Thanks bro, I really appreciate it. It's been a great year or so transforming my body. I just have to remember that I've still got a long way to go. I need to post some more pics because I am the heaviest I've been in a long time..

BLT

**BUYLONGTERM** · 01-28-2004, 11:32 AM

Last night I worked Tri's and Bi's and it was the best PUMP I've had since I started this cycle. I loved it!!!!! Weight is up to around 164 and climbing....I just got in some Shanghai Labs Test Enan, so I'm hoping it works out well...

**BUYLONGTERM** · 02-04-2004, 03:33 PM

Because of my shoulder, I've decided to take some good advise from Dabull and lift a bit lighter. I definitely have taken out Bench Pressing out of my routine. It is way to hard on the shoulder.

**BUYLONGTERM** · 02-07-2004, 07:25 PM

Well, my shoulder is pretty much destroyed. I have decided to take a couple of weeks off and give it a rest. I am getting some Deca in the next few days, I hope that will help out with the pain.

**Da Bull** · 02-07-2004, 09:20 PM

Originally Posted by buylongterm

Well, my shoulder is pretty much destroyed. I have decided to take a week off and give it a rest. I am getting some Deca in the next few days, I hope that will help out with the pain.

Man I don't like reading those kind of updates.Keep doing your shots,eat properly,and don't do anything to stress your rotor or your nervous system for that matter,It will hamper your recovery.

How bad is it bro?Is it giving you problems while lifting or after your work out?

get a quick recovery bro.

DB

**johnsomebody** · 02-08-2004, 01:48 PM

Yow, I'm sorry to hear about your shoulder too! Have you ever thought of going to a physical therapist? I really think you should have it looked at if you haven't already and not just by a regular doc.

**BUYLONGTERM** · 02-09-2004, 11:25 AM

Originally Posted by Da Bull

Man I don't like reading those kind of updates.Keep doing your shots,eat properly,and don't do anything to stress your rotor or your nervous system for that matter,It will hamper your recovery.

How bad is it bro?Is it giving you problems while lifting or after your work out?

get a quick recovery bro.

DB

It's (left shoulder) pretty bad. It not only hurts while working out, hell it hurts on a daily basis. God forbid If I sleep on it wrong!!! I went in to workout with light weights (doing D.B. Bench) and after a few reps had to quit. What really sucks is my right shoulder started hurting again as well. If you remember, the right one was the one that gave me major issues for almost a year, until I let it heal for 4 months...So, I think I will take your advise, take a couple of weeks off, and I've been seriously considering doing a year round cycle adding different compounds, different dosages, and obviously using HCG and getting regular blood work.

**BUYLONGTERM** · 02-09-2004, 11:30 AM

Originally Posted by johnsomebody

Yow, I'm sorry to hear about your shoulder too! Have you ever thought of going to a physical therapist? I really think you should have it looked at if you haven't already and not just by a regular doc.

Yeah, I thought about it but see I look at it this way. Obviously they will tell me to quit lifting and most likely tell me to get surgery. I know it's the right thing to do, but I will not do it. I just have to make it through the summer and then take a break once winter comes. I can take off 3 or 4 months then get back on it again.

**LightWeightBaby** · 02-09-2004, 09:23 PM

have any recent pics, since your on month 8 og hgh want to see your results

LWB

**johnsomebody** · 02-09-2004, 10:41 PM

Originally Posted by buylongterm

Yeah, I thought about it but see I look at it this way. Obviously they will tell me to quit lifting and most likely tell me to get surgery. I know it's the right thing to do, but I will not do it. I just have to make it through the summer and then take a break once winter comes. I can take off 3 or 4 months then get back on it again.

Well actually I assumed they WOULDN'T tell you to quit lifting. I think a reg doctor might do that but my experience with therapists is they want to help you do what you can with what you've got.

When I fractured my arm biking they worked with me about what kind of stuff I could do rather than telling me to just stop. And when I had a shoulder prob they determined exactly what part of the shoulder was the problem and showed me stuff to strengthen that area specifically without laying anything off.

If fact it seems like the whole sports medicine thing now is how to get the guys back in the field with the least possible amount of layup.

Swellin · 02-09-2004, 11:06 PM

This sucks BLT!!!! Man, I hate to hear about this. I had a pretty crappy shoulder problem the last time I got serious in the gym...and I took the route you are taking (without the anabolics). I let it heal for a while and then went back...injuring it again. This happened until I finally let ole sawbones cut me. I was out of the gym for almost a year. It still gives me pronblems, but nothing like before. I am training as hard as ever before, and it is cooperating with me. Let a specialist take a look at it. If you are out for 6 months, so be it. It is easier to come back at 30 than at 35 and so on.

**joe_capone** · 02-15-2004, 02:39 AM

no offence but that is absolutly fuking stupid!! "i will pay for it in the long run hehehe" ur prolly thinking ohh its a long time from now **** it jsut continue.. and when the time comes not only your gonna "pay" your gonna suffer like a mudafuka along with many other problems. thats why people blame steroids for their health and bann em. coz of people like you. u wanna ****n juice it then juice it the right way go fix your go**** shoulder and be patient. i have 2 dislocated shoulders (1 being fixed by surgury) and everytime they hurt on cycle i just drop my **** pop some colmid and get off it as quickly as possible. do you want to be able to work int he future to support ur kids and family? some people just amaze me man. "high tolerence for pain" geez cut that macho garbage out. my shiny 2 cents.

**johnsomebody** · 02-15-2004, 01:08 PM

Well, I don't know if I'd go that far but I'd still like to push having it looked at by a therapist/exercise physiologist. If you laid off for four months before and still have a prob I'm not sure laying off is going to solve it again. You may be doing something wrong in the way you're lifting or it could just be something as simple as weak infraspinatus/teres minor muscles -that turned out to be my problem after i was looked at by a therapist. All they recommended was one additional shoulder exercise and it did the trick. Check out http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/exer...scle=Shoulders and scroll down to "external rotation". There's no way of knowing that that is your problem til you see a pro but it could be as simple as that.

**BUYLONGTERM** · 02-17-2004, 12:46 PM

Originally Posted by joe_capone

no offence but that is absolutly fuking stupid!! "i will pay for it in the long run hehehe" ur prolly thinking ohh its a long time from now **** it jsut continue.. and when the time comes not only your gonna "pay" your gonna suffer like a mudafuka along with many other problems. thats why people blame steroids for their health and bann em. coz of people like you. u wanna ****n juice it then juice it the right way go fix your go**** shoulder and be patient. i have 2 dislocated shoulders (1 being fixed by surgury) and everytime they hurt on cycle i just drop my **** pop some colmid and get off it as quickly as possible. do you want to be able to work int he future to support ur kids and family? some people just amaze me man. "high tolerence for pain" geez cut that macho garbage out. my shiny 2 cents.

First off, My shoulder problem has nothing to do with Steroids . So NO its NOT people like me who give steroids a bad name. And I can assure you, most people who have shoulder surgery regret it big time! I've personally been told by a DR. that its acutally better to let the shoulder heal on its own. Shoulder sugery is VERY complicated. The pain usually always come back! Now, I haven't touched a weight in 2 weeks. I am allowing my shoulder to heal. It has nothing to do with trying to be macho. Give me a break. Theres a lot of guys on this board who have shoulder problems. What in the hell does working in the future have to do with my shoulder? I don't do manual labor. I own my own company. And I can assure you that If I lost my arm, I'd still be able to make money. If you took the time to look at the above threads, I've taken steps to help my shoulder. 1. Lifting lighter weights. 2. No more Benching. 3. taking a few weeks off. etc...

So, since you can't give any advise in a mature way, I could give a **** about your shiny 2 cents.

**BUYLONGTERM** · 02-17-2004, 12:50 PM

Originally Posted by johnsomebody

Well, I don't know if I'd go that far but I'd still like to push having it looked at by a therapist/exercise physiologist. If you laid off for four months before and still have a prob I'm not sure laying off is going to solve it again. You may be doing something wrong in the way you're lifting or it could just be something as simple as weak infraspinatus/teres minor muscles -that turned out to be my problem after i was looked at by a therapist. All they recommended was one additional shoulder exercise and it did the trick. Check out http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/exer...scle=Shoulders and scroll down to "external rotation". There's no way of knowing that that is your problem til you see a pro but it could be as simple as that.

That sounds good. I think it's just the fear factor of not wanting to know. It does feel a lot better since I stopped working out. I will actually do that. As always, Thanks for the advise bro!!!!

**Dude-Man** · 02-17-2004, 12:54 PM

Where do you get off flaming another member like this?

Originally Posted by joe_capone

no offence but that is absolutly fuking stupid!! "i will pay for it in the long run hehehe" ur prolly thinking ohh its a long time from now **** it jsut continue.. and when the time comes not only your gonna "pay" your gonna suffer like a mudafuka along with many other problems. thats why people blame steroids for their health and bann em. coz of people like you. u wanna ****n juice it then juice it the right way go fix your go**** shoulder and be patient. i have 2 dislocated shoulders (1 being fixed by surgury) and everytime they hurt on cycle i just drop my **** pop some colmid and get off it as quickly as possible. do you want to be able to work int he future to support ur kids and family? some people just amaze me man. "high tolerence for pain" geez cut that macho garbage out. my shiny 2 cents.

**BUYLONGTERM** · 02-17-2004, 01:00 PM

Originally Posted by chrisAdams

Where do you get off flaming another member like this?

Thanks bro! He makes it seem like I'm some kind of kid who knows nothing about AS???? Oh well. I'm not going to get into a Flame war about this. He gave his opinion and though I don't agree how he went about doing it, thats his opinion. I think I'm still a pretty respectable member on here and thats all that matters.

**LightWeightBaby** · 02-19-2004, 04:49 PM

Originally Posted by buylongterm

Thanks bro! He makes it seem like I'm some kind of kid who knows nothing about AS????

BLT your not a kid?????.......only kidding bro hope the shoulder does get better. Man post some new pics I want to see your progress.

**BUYLONGTERM** · 02-20-2004, 04:40 PM

Well, I will begin working out again on Monday. My shoulder feels great. I stopped taking GH for the last 3 days, and ever since, my shoulder feels incredbile. Funny thing is I had this pulled muscle in my neck that went down towards my back. As soon as I stopped the GH, That too feels sooo much better. I honestly thing the GH was adding to my shoulder issues. I have only 3 vials left and I am going to stop taking it.

Picture to come soon. Since I haven't lifted in a few weeks, I want to get back in the swings of things first..

**johnsomebody** · 02-20-2004, 07:50 PM

Hey by the way, you've gained 19lbs already? That's really good, isn't it? I mean taking into account your initial bodyweight was 145 lbs that's a 13% increase in bodyweight! You realize for me starting at 240, that would be like me putting on 31lbs! Looks like I may be lucky with 10 for my cycle!

**BUYLONGTERM** · 02-21-2004, 12:58 PM

Originally Posted by johnsomebody

Hey by the way, you've gained 19lbs already? That's really good, isn't it? I mean taking into account your initial bodyweight was 145 lbs that's a 13% increase in bodyweight! You realize for me starting at 240, that would be like me putting on 31lbs! Looks like I may be lucky with 10 for my cycle!

JS, how's your cycle going????

**johnsomebody** · 02-22-2004, 03:13 PM

OK -I'll PM ya.

**BUYLONGTERM** · 03-04-2004, 12:43 PM

Well, I'm back in the swing of thing after taking 3 weeks off to give my shoulder a break. A really great bro, sent me some Deca , which I'm adding a low dose to my cycle to help with my shoulder pain.

Workout last night started off slow, but once I warmed up, my shoulder didn't hurt to bad!! My pumps are getting crazy!!! I'm hoping I can keep on track and grow!!!!

PICS SOON!!!!!

Swellin · 03-04-2004, 01:14 PM

Hey BLY, what kind of warm up do you do for your shoulders...this can make a huge difference.
I do several things to warm up the rotator cuff and everything in the joint....well before touching any weight. This really seems to help me.

**Da Bull** · 03-05-2004, 09:09 PM

Originally Posted by buylongterm

Well, I'm back in the swing of thing after taking 3 weeks off to give my shoulder a break. A really great bro, sent me some Deca , which I'm adding a low dose to my cycle to help with my shoulder pain.

Workout last night started off slow, but once I warmed up, my shoulder didn't hurt to bad!! My pumps are getting crazy!!! I'm hoping I can keep on track and grow!!!!

PICS SOON!!!!!

Santa sent you deca....and now you have tons of 10 mg british dragon dbol .
Please be careful,very powerful stuff and take 900mgs ed of milk thistle.2 gals of water ed also.

Merry Xmas.....Santa

**bornbad71** · 03-05-2004, 09:38 PM

I haven't posted in your log blt, but I have been reading along and along......sorry u are having so much trouble with the shoulder bro. It can be a tough injury to work around......I had to do nothing but db presses for about 8 months when my left shoulder as shot(I was to scared to lay off the weights, in fear of losing hard gained muscle)....the deca will make the joints feel much better....and the bd's are great, you will love the pumps and the strength gains.....trust me on that

. Take care bro.

**BUYLONGTERM** · 03-08-2004, 10:44 AM

Originally Posted by bornbad71

I haven't posted in your log blt, but I have been reading along and along......sorry u are having so much trouble with the shoulder bro. It can be a tough injury to work around......I had to do nothing but db presses for about 8 months when my left shoulder as shot(I was to scared to lay off the weights, in fear of losing hard gained muscle)....the deca will make the joints feel much better....and the bd's are great, you will love the pumps and the strength gains.....trust me on that

. Take care bro.

Thanks bro! I'm lifting light and taking it easy on the shoulder. I'm about 3 weeks into the DECA. I can't wait till it fully kicks in. Yeah, I'm also throwing in some B D DBOL , because of my time off. 3 days into it(25-30mg) and Nothing. I guess I have to be patient!!!

**BUYLONGTERM** · 03-09-2004, 10:48 AM

Well, I thought I would list my experience with DBOL .

Day 1-5. I haven't really felt it kick in just yet. I'm taking 30mg ED, split up every 4 hours. I have noticed I'm a lot more hungry and at times, I seem to be really tired while on it. My weight starting weight on day 1 is 163pounds. I am pounding water and pissing like a race horse.

**BUYLONGTERM** · 03-09-2004, 10:54 AM

Originally Posted by buylongterm

Well, I thought I would list my experience with DBOL .

Day 1-5. I haven't really felt it kick in just yet. I'm taking 30mg ED, split up every 4 hours. I have noticed I'm a lot more hungry and at times, I seem to be really tired while on it. My weight starting weight on day 1 is 163pounds. I am pounding water and pissing like a race horse.

GOAL: 170 pounds

Swellin · 03-09-2004, 11:22 AM

Oh yeah, you are right bro...patience is key. If you expect overnight results, you will be very dissapointed and that will affect everything else about your cycle.

I expected my var to kick in around day 8-10...boy did I get a surprise!!!!! Day three I went nuts in the gym. Weights were flying everywhere.

My point, it is better to convince yourself it will take two weeks and then it shows up after one week, than for you to expect it to take one week and it takes two.

You have fought through a lot of sh!t with this cycle...keep your chin up and keep fighting.

**bornbad71** · 03-09-2004, 06:10 PM

Hey BLT, like Swellin said "patience"......bro the dbol will kick in at that dose....I know my first wk was more mental than anything, but after that it just kept getting better and I keep getting stronger. Beware the lower back pumps, they can be intense.....u might want to get some milk thistle and drink 8 oz real cranberry juice(per day), if u haven't already.

I don't think it will matter much but I took my dbol every 5 hrs at 10mg, just kinda spreads it out more.....plus I added 5mg more at day 15 and took it 5 hrs after last 10mg.
Just be careful with the shoulder, the deca should help it feel much better, just don't let the dbol take over your mind when it kicks if full force and hurt your shoulder worse.

**BUYLONGTERM** · 03-09-2004, 07:16 PM

Originally Posted by Swellin

Hey BLY, what kind of warm up do you do for your shoulders...this can make a huge difference.
I do several things to warm up the rotator cuff and everything in the joint....well before touching any weight. This really seems to help me.

I do some real light shoulder exersises. What worked best for you??? Any advise???

Swellin · 03-09-2004, 07:28 PM

When I work chest or shoulders, I have to warm up the rotator cuffs.
I start by hitting the treadmill for 5-8 minutes, then some light stretching. I then go through all of those old baseball stretches for the shoulders (making small circles...slowly getting bigger, swimming and the like). I slowly move my arm in every imaginable direction, while applying increasing resistance from the shoulder muscles. Once I feel pretty loose, I will pick up a 5 lb weight and do the same thing over again. It is important not to let momentum enter into the stretches or the warmups. Everything must be controled...or you risk greater damage.
If you would like, I will go by my old Phys Therapy and pick up one of their sheets on shoulder warm ups. I can scan it and email it to you.

**BUYLONGTERM** · 03-09-2004, 08:23 PM

Originally Posted by Swellin

When I work chest or shoulders, I have to warm up the rotator cuffs.
I start by hitting the treadmill for 5-8 minutes, then some light stretching. I then go through all of those old baseball stretches for the shoulders (making small circles...slowly getting bigger, swimming and the like). I slowly move my arm in every imaginable direction, while applying increasing resistance from the shoulder muscles. Once I feel pretty loose, I will pick up a 5 lb weight and do the same thing over again. It is important not to let momentum enter into the stretches or the warmups. Everything must be controled...or you risk greater damage.
If you would like, I will go by my old Phys Therapy and pick up one of their sheets on shoulder warm ups. I can scan it and email it to you.

Fantastic advise! I really appreciate it. If you have time, I would love to see the sheets!!

Thanks bro!!!

BLT

Swellin · 03-09-2004, 10:05 PM

Will do!

**BUYLONGTERM** · 03-10-2004, 10:44 AM

DBOL day 6:

Strength - Same
Weight - haven't checked
Pumps - haven't seen any difference
Shoulder - Fking killing me
Dosage - still taking about 30mg every 4.5 hours or so. I can take it on an empty stomach with no problem.

I did Bi's this morning. I do notice when I'm lifting, I am getting a bit light headed and at times I feel sick. (I'm assuming it's the DBOL)

**bornbad71** · 03-10-2004, 08:18 PM

Don't know if it matters to much, but I took my dbol with meals.

I didn't get any sides from it except some bloat which was not bad once I raises my l-dex to .50.

Your should problem is starting to concern me some blt.....bro be very careful...I hate to see ya have to deal with that as long as I did.

**Da Bull** · 03-10-2004, 08:31 PM

The Dbol can make you queezy.Between the elavated bp and pulse,I puked many times.Monitor your bp bro..we are not spring chickens here.The Dbol is great,but does open the flood gates to other problems.I'm hoping your system will adjust to this soon,because it will start to kick in 5 or so days from now.

I can urge you enough to be careful with this stuff...it will play mind games with you,and make you want to lift heavy.And with your shoulder problems you need to pay close attention to this.

Be Good my bro..and be careful.

All the best .

DB

**BUYLONGTERM** · 03-11-2004, 10:18 AM

Da Bull and Bornbad...Thanks guys. Taking your advise, I am now going to lower the dose to 25mg and try and keep it there. I think what gets me is when I break up the pill and look at it, I say "how in the hell is this little thing going to work??"

I think my health is more important than my size, so, I'm going to be careful. The good news is my pulse is fine, no rapid heart beat, thank God. I also know that I won't be able to lift real heavy. My shoulder just won't allow that to happen (which sucks) I'm looking at the DBOL to help me get back in the swing of things, and not to lift crazy!!! I'm actually hoping for a little bit of weight from the DBOL, even if it's water weight. I can't seem to break 164!!!!

DAY 7: DBOL
Strength - Same
Weight - Haven't checked
Pumps - haven't seen any difference
Shoulder - Feeling OK. (Today is off day)
Dosage - 25mg
Sides - Flushed skin (chest & face)

**johnsomebody** · 03-11-2004, 11:30 AM

Well buddy, didn't you start at 145? 164 is 19lbs gained which is more than I've ever done on a cycle! And I started at 228!

That seems like a huge gain to me for a 145lb guy. Hell, I'd be happy with that!