1 week in @ 165

[XxElitexX]

My Workout/Diet/Cycle Critique Please!!!!

That is a link to my new thread with all the info and the pic again!!!!!!

[t-money]

You've really been contradicting yourself...i'll break it down for you:








IMO you're just another kid...who uses not training properly as his excuse for using gear...Initially, i thought "hey..here's a kid..like me.. who actually trained hard those 5 years as stated"..Dude, they're guys in wheelchairs that work out and they do it without gear..Difference between you and those guys is that they don't train legs because they CAN't... I believe you should stop your cycle at this point..Learn to eat and train. Stop deluding yourself with this 'I can't do this' mentality...the truth is You Don't WANT to do what's necessary to acheive the physique you want.
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Now..since this is the 'member's pics' area... and the above-mentioned assessment isn't a physique assessment persay.

here it is:

Legs aside, focus on chest, back and traps on this cycle.

Your belief that your weak parts'll come up to the level of your strong parts is a misconception...IMHO your upperbody will grow in leaps and bounds during this cycle.

Reason would suggest, that given the optimal environment, the strong gets stronger...and IMO..you'll still be top heavy at the end of this cycle

~Nark

I concur completely.

Wise words once again by Nark.

Bro if you wanna get big, you gotta focus on legs, they are half your body for cryin out loud. Ask SwoldCat about leg training and why it helps you grow.

T

[t-money]

Your upper body DOES look good. Just keep workin hard and get the calories your body needs otherwise all the gear in the world will not make you grow. Ya gott have the fuel.

T

[Dude-Man]

Growing naturally to only 165 lbs is not really anything to be proud of. Especially when you don't train legs because "you hate them" or "they weren't growing." And that "you can't eat like that off cycle". Try some B12.

Those are what we call EXCUSES. They are the reasons that someone like you isn't ready for steroids . And don't think i'm preaching, I'm all natural at 188 lbs and 8%. And i train my legs.

. I am not relying on gear at all becuz I have grown naturally for 5 years.

[BeerBaron]

[b]

Your belief that your weak parts'll come up to the level of your strong parts is a misconception...IMHO your upperbody will grow in leaps and bounds during this cycle.

Reason would suggest, that given the optimal environment, the strong gets stronger...and IMO..you'll still be top heavy at the end of this cycle

~Nark

Yeah, he is right Bro, you definitly can't expect to "even out" or pick up slack on a cycle. At least you don't have a broken ankle during your first cycle like I did, talk about pissed off.

[XxElitexX]

Watsup i am now mid-way through my cycle and it is going great. I wil post new pics and all the details of my cycle after it is completed. thanks for all your help, this board is awesome.

[XxElitexX]

New Pics Next Week.

[IntensityX]

Thanks a lot bro...generally i find Bros in this forum only want to hear the good assessments... not realising that criticism is the fuel of physique reformation.
I started out skinny...painfully so...as did many bros here on this board...so my reply above was no flame... OR nonsense as another brother so eloquently put it( )

IMO it's the 'i can't do it' mentality that limits people in every aspect of their lives... physique development included

I've nothing further to say on this thread, to the poster, but good luck...

~Narkissos

Very true,too many young guys starting the juice that don't realize that they can achieve a lot natrually but they always see roids as a short cut,most of them say "well I can't gain muscle,lose fat blah blah" and they don't realize that diet and proper training are keys to success.

[TheJuicer]

All of us where young...and the media make steroids out to be magic...when without diet and hardwork and yes LEG WORK...its not going to happen....I used steroids for a couple years...loved the gains...but man was it hard to do the yo-yo...up 20lbs....down 15lbs...up 20lbs....ect.....so I quite for the past 6 months...I'm now concentrating on my workout and diet and supplements and now I'm stronger and bigger then when I was on Fina and Test....I thought to that I was at my natural limits until I started to try new thing in the gym...mixing up my workouts alot...not worrying about weight...just squeezing the **** out of the muscle and going home for my protein/dex/and creatine...but yes I think 19 is to young..not for the health thing but that there is soooooooo much to learn about your body..what makes it grow...low reps...high reps....a little of both...just remember you may see gains now but what about during PCT when the scales starts to go DOWN then what???

[Jantzen4k]

Why would you think your natural potential at 5 ft 10 would be 165 lbs? You're very lean, but still.

i agree. you could add 20lbs naturally. that youll keep

[XxElitexX]

but what about during PCT when the scales starts to go DOWN then what???

Just cuz your that happend to you from your ignorance on training and diet you lost your gains.....doesnt necessarily mean it will happen to me. My diet and excercise programe is going awesome. My mentallity toward diet, training has definitely changed from the start of this thread. Pics coming soon, yo uwill see the gains. peacout.

[fitnessguy]

XxElitexX, you look familiar, you from GA?

[TheJuicer]

Dont make me laugh...I'm so much more in the game brother then you....I've been lifting for a long time....you have know clue in the game on steriods and once you do them and get off and do you PCT right...which I did...you'll see...dont be a dick about it until you know! PEACEOUT!

P.S. Train legs and be a man!!

[TheJuicer]

I guess what ticked me off of what you said was my ignorance....Thats something I'm not...I train harder then anyone in my gym...people just look at me like what the **** is he doing!! My diet is on. Swolecat has helped me with that. SO ...If you wanna talk like a man and need help...PM me...lets not turn this in to a pissing match! L8R

[HammerCurler]

Thanks a lot bro...generally i find Bros in this forum only want to hear the good assessments... not realising that criticism is the fuel of physique reformation.
I started out skinny...painfully so...as did many bros here on this board...so my reply above was no flame... OR nonsense as another brother so eloquently put it( )

IMO it's the 'i can't do it' mentality that limits people in every aspect of their lives... physique development included

I've nothing further to say on this thread, to the poster, but good luck...

~Narkissos

Narkissos speaks the truth. I wouldn't even think of touching a cycle @ 165lbs. If you've been training for 5 years then either your diet isn't right (or only has been for a short period of time) and/or you're doing exercises incorrectly. I have 20lbs on you and wouldn't consider doing a cycle until im in the 200-220 range.

But good luck, it is your body in the end....

[XxElitexX]

yoru pic doesnt look like you have 20ibs on me. you look about a buck 45. pretty lean tho. and yes i have been training to 5 years and started at 115 foo....i was 14 yrs old.

[BDTR]

Was that directed at dude-man? If so there is no way he looks a buck 45.

yoru pic doesnt look like you have 20ibs on me. you look about a buck 45. pretty lean tho. and yes i have been training to 5 years and started at 115 foo....i was 14 yrs old.

[dr.shred]

Growing naturally to only 165 lbs is not really anything to be proud of. Especially when you don't train legs because "you hate them" or "they weren't growing." And that "you can't eat like that off cycle". Try some B12.

Those are what we call EXCUSES. They are the reasons that someone like you isn't ready for steroids. And don't think i'm preaching, I'm all natural at 188 lbs and 8%. And i train my legs.

bro that back pic does not look like 8% BF sorry.

[Dude-Man]

BDTR, i'm pretty sure that was referring tot he guy posting above him. But to dr shred..


I'm surprised you're calling me out. It's also interesting that you're doing it based on an avatar pic, given it's size and poor lighting. not to mention the fact that you're doing it not in a thread with my pictures, but in a thread where I was trying to talk a teenager out of using steroids when his diet and traininer were the missing element. I'll get you some better pics when i get back up to school on monday. I guess it's time to post my pre-first cycle pics anway.

bro that back pic does not look like 8% BF sorry.

[dr.shred]

BDTR, i'm pretty sure that was referring tot he guy posting above him. But to dr shred..


I'm surprised you're calling me out. It's also interesting that you're doing it based on an avatar pic, given it's size and poor lighting. not to mention the fact that you're doing it not in a thread with my pictures, but in a thread where I was trying to talk a teenager out of using steroids when his diet and traininer were the missing element. I'll get you some better pics when i get back up to school on monday. I guess it's time to post my pre-first cycle pics anway.

well your argument was based upon the fact that you are 188 and 8% bf naturally and to me judging from that pic (unless it was taken at an earlier time) does not look lean enough to be 8%. xxElitexx has already decided to do a cycle. Maybe not a good decision at his age, nevertheless he has already started his cycle. Instead of everyone giving him s*it for it we should at least make sure he is doing it correctly and give him advice for the future. Whats done is done.

-SHRED

[XxElitexX]

the comment was directed towards hammercurler. theres just no way IMO.

[yooo]

yes i have been training to 5 years and started at 115 foo....i was 14 yrs old.

Weren't we all 115 when we were 14 yrs old

Bro, congrats on gaining 40-50lbs in 5 years, but thats without training legs! You gots to hit ur wheels brah...and 5 years (esp. around the time of puberty) you'd prob gain half that anyways...not a flame bro, just a fact..

IMO u shoulda waited on the AAS, but u didnt, so run ur cycle right, run ur PCT right, and get ur shlt in check..you'll be 200 easy..

good luck bro

[cjp85]

I'd have to agree with the others about the size and age comments, but other than that, I'd say train with more compound movements if you're looking to put the weight on. As far as your diet goes, you really need to focus on making eating a hobby and just focus on getting some good calories in you from slow burning carbs, good fats and of course protein.

[XxElitexX]

yeah i am sticking to my core movements...the goal for this cycle was 15-18 all lean ibs...with 2 weeks left i am at a 14ib gain with no water. like i said i will post a complete update with new pics in a few weeks.

[HammerCurler]

the comment was directed towards hammercurler. theres just no way IMO.

I'm 3 inches taller than you, but yes I have 20lbs on you. If you saw me in person you wouldn't think I was 145lbs, anyways good luck with the cycle, look forward to seeing the after pictures.

[TallB4Small]

Hey Elite, what BF% are you?
Lookin ripped man.

[XxElitexX]

tallb4small....Right now I am at about 8%....i feel fat at 8% will be at 6% for pics tho.

[Polska]

the comment was directed towards hammercurler. theres just no way IMO.

He looks 180 in his avatar IMO, at 6'1 it looks accurate.

[SwoleDave]

Hey don't get down on things, just use it as motivation to show us your progress. This is not a boy scout forum either, 315's is good bench for your weight but their lot's of bro's who do rep's of 10 with that weight on incline. Your motivation will take you a long way. If you decied to go the juice routine make a thread of your exact cycle and workout and you'll get a lot of great info here. I would stick to your plans of tunning test E and EQ.

yeah right, like ronnie ****in coleman!

[Hed]

I dont think the kid is doin 315 either. Maybe halfassed, but not comin down to your chest man........

[***xxx***]

ur just too young...

[TheDfromGC]

I dont think the kid is doin 315 either. Maybe halfassed, but not comin down to your chest man........

yea, i agree, i got friends that are twice his size and would have a problem with 315 do us a favor and post a few pics of u moving 3 plates.....

[Polska]

yea, i agree, i got friends that are twice his size and would have a problem with 315 do us a favor and post a few pics of u moving 3 plates.....

I've seen 165lb guys move three plates, not naturally though.

If he can press three plates with NO assistance from his spotter (not even touching the bar) , all the way down to his chest and back up w/o bouncing it, I'd be impressed

edit - it cant be a smith press either lol

[Hed]

You can do it, if your 165, but thats if your like 5'8" or less and never work legs. No way can you have that little mass and put up 315 unless you meet those qualifications.

[Tags]

165... 315 would be impressive even on a smith press...

[BDTR]

He could be doing it...

The first day i touched a weight i was 16 years old about the same weight as him, put up 225 6 times so that's about a 260 max.

I dont know though.

[Hed]

He could be doing it...

The first day i touched a weight i was 16 years old about the same weight as him, put up 225 6 times so that's about a 260 max.

I dont know though.

Im not buyin that.......

[BDTR]

Whats not to buy? I know a guy who never touched his life who went to a gym for the first time and could throw up 405 on the bench.

[Hed]

Im sayin at 16 at 165lbs, im havin a hard time believein you could put up 225 6 times. 16 and 220 lbs, maybe, but not at 165lbs...........

[BDTR]

225 x 6 is light weight bro... anyone with decent strength genetics could put that up.