Before & After

[Dalton5]

The first pic was taken about 2 months before the other two....i want to give it another go but unsure of what to take to bulk up with quality hard muscle....any suggestions

[cdogge]

same BF% ...but much bigger....looking good dude...

[clhp20]

What was your first? what are you looking to accomplish ?

[cdogge]

And if you are wanting to just add some clean quality gains then I would do a prop/Eq cycle....Good stuff

[clhp20]

And if you are wanting to just add some clean quality gains then I would do a prop/Eq cycle....Good stuff

Nice cycle for lean muscle mass...

[powerbodybuilder]

Looking good.

[juice4life]

Great improvment!

What did you take in those 2 months?

[k@m NYC]

nice forearms

[lucabratzi]

nice improvment made some very good gains in that time..as for critique from what i can see is work on ur delts. got any shots from the front and leg pics.

[PlasticFuture112]

seriously, what did you take? curious to know. well if your looking for a good cycle i suggest test e/eq cycle myself. great stuff great gains, mostly lean if behind the minor test water retention.

[BlueAndromeda73]

nice job, way bigger then the first pic keep up the hard work.

[***xxx***]

good job!

[co2boi]

dam bro, nice gains - prop / tren ?

[Dalton5]

nice improvment made some very good gains in that time..as for critique from what i can see is work on ur delts. got any shots from the front and leg pics.

My legs arent worth showing

[Dalton5]

seriously, what did you take? curious to know. well if your looking for a good cycle i suggest test e/eq cycle myself. great stuff great gains, mostly lean if behind the minor test water retention.

Test en with liittle dbol to jump start

[Dalton5]

What was your first? what are you looking to accomplish ?

Test en (250mg/5 days)with a little dbol at first....want to make huge gains in size but at the same time keep them

[Dalton5]

seriously, what did you take? curious to know. well if your looking for a good cycle i suggest test e/eq cycle myself. great stuff great gains, mostly lean if behind the minor test water retention.

Test en & dbol ...What advantage would test/EQ have over say test/winny or primo? ..thanx

[co2boi]

Test en (250mg/5 days)with a little dbol at first....want to make huge gains in size but at the same time keep them

Don't we all. You can make "solid" gains and keep pretty much everything with proper pct and nutrition, but most "huge" gains are from water retention

[Carlos_E]

My legs arent worth showing

Do you train them?

[partyboynyc]

you could have done that with food if you were patient

[Dalton5]

Do you train them?

Yes, but just started a few months ago...pretty under developed....hoping i can change that

[cdogge]

Test en & dbol...What advantage would test/EQ have over say test/winny or primo? ..thanx

well the eq will actually add some clean quality hard muscle...(slow process) it will take 8 week are so to even see anything...Winny on the other hand will just harden up what muscles you do have..You don't really gain that much size from winny

[Neo22]

you could have done that with food if you were patient

No shit. What a waste of a cycle.

[maxex]

you could have done that with food if you were patient

hes right. You could have done that with peanut butter & jelly and pancakes

[hemidog66]

he does have some peaky lookig biceps huh? you are so lean up your calories and away you'll grow (tren & prop makes for some nice gains I'm thinking)!!!

[Ntpadude]

The first pic was taken about 2 months before the other two....i want to give it another go but unsure of what to take to bulk up with quality hard muscle....any suggestions

You had like no pecs at all before... Hope you didnt do dbol or test only cycle because your gains leave as fast as they came in post cycle with this stuff... not enough advanced training before steroid use so you wont be able to keep gains. Although you loose gains... your gains and muscle have anabolic muscle memory and quickly recover back to where you left off on next cycles, although when you do steroids too early with not enough natural training, you get back what you have now but you get stuck where you are now and wont gain more, so its probably best to get off the anabolics and go natural for a while.

[Ntpadude]

Test en & dbol...What advantage would test/EQ have over say test/winny or primo? ..thanx

You are a small guy... winny and EQ are for fat guys trying to thin down... you need to think of muscle gainers like deca ... and dont use anything else but bulking muscle gainers like test/deca until you surpass 200 lbs.

[Jantzen4k]

u gotta hit lats and traps.


& legs!!!!!!!


theyre half your body

[Dalton5]

No shit. What a waste of a cycle.

I put on close to 30 pnds in 2 months...i know im no monster but im happy with the progress relative to where i was....i dont think peanut butter and jelly would have put 65 pounds on my bench press....thanx for the input though

[Dalton5]

You had like no pecs at all before... Hope you didnt do dbol or test only cycle because your gains leave as fast as they came in post cycle with this stuff... not enough advanced training before steroid use so you wont be able to keep gains. Although you loose gains... your gains and muscle have anabolic muscle memory and quickly recover back to where you left off on next cycles, although when you do steroids too early with not enough natural training, you get back what you have now but you get stuck where you are now and wont gain more, so its probably best to get off the anabolics and go natural for a while.

I am off now....been off for 5 weeks and of the 30 pnds gained only lost 6...im sure ill lose more but figured it would of happened by now...as far as not being prepared for a cycle i have trained off and on for a few years however i let myself go and got way too skinny....but the dedication is there...i agree though, im a full blown newbie so natural is proly the way to go for a while...just wanted a jump start

[Dalton5]

You are a small guy... winny and EQ are for fat guys trying to thin down... you need to think of muscle gainers like deca... and dont use anything else but bulking muscle gainers like test/deca until you surpass 200 lbs.

as far as you know is there anything out there other then deca that will bulk without the side effects of test (acne/hair)

[Dalton5]

hes right. You could have done that with peanut butter & jelly and pancakes

i would say youve been eaten a few too many pancakes

[gym35.]

Great progress. What were your before/after bodyweights?

[Carlos_E]

you could have done that with food if you were patient

hes right. You could have done that with peanut butter & jelly and pancakes

I agree. The gains he made could have been made naturally with proper diet and patience.

[Dalton5]

Great progress. What were your before/after bodyweights?

Thanx for the support.....im 5'9 and went from 155 to 185.....down around 180 now though (with sweat pants on).....as far as the guys on here saying i could of done that with proper nutrition, i agree...however it would of taken much longer to get going, unlike some of these guys i dont have multiple cycles under my belt or better yet i didnt stay on for way to long, not lookin to be the next ronnie coleman....im in it for the long run now and focusing on diet more then ever

[Dalton5]

he does have some peaky lookig biceps huh? you are so lean up your calories and away you'll grow (tren & prop makes for some nice gains I'm thinking)!!!

So whats the deal with tren ?

[Dalton5]

I agree. The gains he made could have been made naturally with proper diet and patience.

Seriously....what are average gains for a first timer (10 weeks)?

[Carlos_E]

Seriously....what are average gains for a first timer (10 weeks)?

When I was natural I gained 35 pounds in 16 weeks naturally just by changing my diet and training routine. You are no where near your genetic limit and could have made those gains without AS.

[Dalton5]

When I was natural I gained 35 pounds in 16 weeks naturally just by changing my diet and training routine. You are no where near your genetic limit and could have made those gains without AS.

So whats a fella got to eat to put on that much muscle?

[mesomorph]

When I was natural I gained 35 pounds in 16 weeks naturally just by changing my diet and training routine. You are no where near your genetic limit and could have made those gains without AS.

I worked out naturally, consistantly, and ate right for 20 years straight and put on 5lbs total in the 20 years. You gifted dudes with all these claims kill me. I am not calling you liers, I believe you, but not all of us are equal.