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BG · 10-10-2006, 05:34 PM

Kid you not natural with all the juice "supposively" that didnt work for you. You need to shut up, not worry about researching about non-responding, and research diet and training. Your pissing in the wind now.

**Warrior21** · 10-10-2006, 08:45 PM

What did I say in the very last post I posted. Now you're just being a nuisance. I'm not going to cuss or flame anymore. If you don't like the thread don't look at it. Get out of here.

**pedro01** · 10-11-2006, 06:52 PM

Originally Posted by Warrior21

I'll post a few samples meals. I don't follow a set meal plan. I do follow strict macronutrient ratios though. I eat this many grams of carbs pro fat per meal.

Meal 1: Half of a pizza. 10 oz. sirloin steak, 1/2 cup broccoli
Meal 2: 2 cups oatmeal mixed with 3 tbsp peanut butter and egg protein powder
Meal 3: 2 cans of tuna, 2 cups oatmeal, 2 tbsp olive oil mixed in a blender
Meal 4: Pastuerized Liquid Egg whites (I drink em), large sweet potatoe, 1/2 cup almonds
Meal 5: PWO SHake
Meal 6: 2 cups Brown Rice, 10 oz. Sirloin steak
Meal 7: 3/4 lb cottage cheese, tbsp of olive oil

Even if my diet sucked, I would still see side effects and bloating from steroids. People don't understand the mechanisms of androgen deactivation/resistance. Since people don't know whats really going on, they call bullshit. Well it's not bullshit it's very real. I even posted a god damn study that shows two little girls who didn't see any effects from testosterone injections. How do you explain that? Did their crappy diet stop their clitoris from enalrging?

First off - your body can store fat & carbs but it does not store protein. One of the reasons to eat so many meals is to keep feeding your body with protein.

Meal 1 - Half a pizza & a 10 oz steak.
- neither of these foods will be easily digested. On waking, your goal is to get the protein in your system ASAP - that steak is going to be sitting in your gut for HOURS and the protein is going to be released into your bloodstream very slowly. So in the morning, you aren't really getting that much protein into your blood. Tha addition of a pizza - which is also hard to digest (especially so much cheese) is a really bad idea.
- May I suggest something like this....
Omlette - 2 whole eggs, 4 whites, half cup of milk, quarter cup grated cheese plus some toast with honey. There's around 500 cals, 40g protein (add a shake if you want or more whites).

Meal 2 -
- probably sitting on top of meal 1.
- actually looks to me like a decent snack - don't know about the others on here. I'd have milk in the oatmeal though

Meal 3
- Great until you put it in the blender - try food you can CHEW - the enzymes in saliva help you digest the food. If you must drink your meals - try to drink them really slowly
- More oatmeal = less variety
- Add some fibrous veggies or some fibrous fruits with it apples, strawberries
- You have ZERO fruit in the above meal plan...

Meal 4
- drinking your protein again & lack of variety - replace eggs with chicken/fish

Meal 5
- OK

Meal 6
- Add veggies/fruit

Meal 7
- personally, I'd add in some kidney beans or diced apple to this - to slow it down a little.
- Even better - if possible - swap meals 6 * 7 - it's at night that you WANT to have a protein that's digested slowly. I don't though - because I wouldn't sleep well

I don't think you are resistant to steroids at all - I think your diet is way off.

Pedro

**timtim** · 10-12-2006, 03:41 PM

First off - your body can store fat & carbs but it does not store protein. One of the reasons to eat so many meals is to keep feeding your body with protein.

100% wrong. protein can and will be stored as fat if you are eating above maintenance calories.

**IBdmfkr** · 10-12-2006, 03:43 PM

Exactly.. so if I eat 600grams of protein/day and no carbs or fat I'll be huge and ripped right?

Don't think so.

**pedro01** · 10-12-2006, 06:34 PM

Originally Posted by timtim

100% wrong. protein can and will be stored as fat if you are eating above maintenance calories.

Re-read what I wrote - it seems you do not understand what I was saying.

Your body does not store PROTEIN - carbs are stored in the liver & muscles, fat is stored all over the place - but protein is not stored AS PROTEIN in the body.

Sure - any excess carbs or protein will be converted to fat. But there's no specific protein store in the body (except the muscles). So - you can't eat 500g of protein in the morning & expect that still to be building muscle for you in the evening.

That's why you need to keep ingesting protein every 3-4 hours.

**ironaddict69** · 10-12-2006, 06:52 PM

guys hes not saying he doesnt gain off steroids . hes saying he DOESNT EVEN GET HORNY WITH TEST, or ANY of the other side effects. NONE! and to be honest neither do I, and that means im screwed because im on HRT.

warrior21, ive been talkin to a few people and they said the only way u wouldnt feel test and what not is if your either hypothyroid, or have adrenal fatigue. these are things you might want to look into.

**IBdmfkr** · 10-12-2006, 07:32 PM

I don't feel it either, nor do I get any visible or mental sides except for growth. Could it possibly be because my training/diet are more on point than this guy? More than likely.

**pedro01** · 10-12-2006, 07:45 PM

For sure - he should sort out his diet as a first step.

Second - if his approach to training is anything like his approach to diet, he could well be overtrained.

Warrior - what's your training schedule/routine like ? Perhaps the frustration of low gains has lead you to increase your training too much.

Do you have any of the symptoms of overtraining ?

Pedro

**Warrior21** · 10-12-2006, 07:59 PM

Hi all. I appreciate the help. There's other reasons why I'm not gaining I figured out, but I'm not willing to let them go on the boards. Anyways how about I post a diet in the diet section and then we work on it? Can I see you guys there?
I'll also post my training in the training section so you can tear it apart as well. Like I said before I won't be touching anabolics until about two years from now. Thanks for coming in and adding some support ironaddict, you're a good guy.

I**, did you get my PM?

**ironaddict69** · 10-12-2006, 08:38 PM

wait I**, u dont get acne, bloat, aggressiveness or horniness from test?
thats interesting, i hope thats not the casewith me though. im 9 weeks into HRT and i dont feel shit. your bodys amazing, i saw ur pics. i HATE to say this, but it would seem im not responding to my test cyp injections either, so im gunan try and run prop and dbol and see what happens right after i fix my hypothyroid and adrenal fatigue.

**Warrior21** · 10-12-2006, 08:51 PM

Originally Posted by ironaddict69

wait I**, u dont get acne, bloat, aggressiveness or horniness from test?
thats interesting, i hope thats not the casewith me though. im 9 weeks into HRT and i dont feel shit. your bodys amazing, i saw ur pics. i HATE to say this, but it would seem im not responding to my test cyp injections either, so im gunan try and run prop and dbol and see what happens right after i fix my hypothyroid and adrenal fatigue.

OOOOO dude. You don't want to say you don't respond to roids. They will crucify you here. Heh. Check your Vitamin B6 intake. B6 lowers gene transcription, how roids work, so you def wanna check it out.
Or try different drugs and up the doses.

**IBdmfkr** · 10-12-2006, 10:06 PM

Originally Posted by Warrior21

I**, did you get my PM?

Yes.

Originally Posted by ironaddict69

wait I**, u dont get acne, bloat, aggressiveness or horniness from test? None of the above while taking 1.5g/wk Test Prop.
thats interesting, i hope thats not the casewith me though. im 9 weeks into HRT and i dont feel shit. your bodys amazing, i saw ur pics. i HATE to say this, but it would seem im not responding to my test cyp injections either, so im gunan try and run prop and dbol and see what happens right after i fix my hypothyroid and adrenal fatigue.

I'd stay on the HRT and have bloodwork done, this has gotta be some kind of myth going around that you can "feel" the test in you.. it's just not true, anyone claiming to needs to check their head because it's all in their mind.. Yes you will see certain symptoms but it's not like one day you magically wake up feeling your test kick in. Not the case.

**ironaddict69** · 10-13-2006, 01:02 AM

Originally Posted by I**mfkr

Yes.

I'd stay on the HRT and have bloodwork done, this has gotta be some kind of myth going around that you can "feel" the test in you.. it's just not true, anyone claiming to needs to check their head because it's all in their mind.. Yes you will see certain symptoms but it's not like one day you magically wake up feeling your test kick in. Not the case.

ahh i see, this is good im finally talking to someone whos so educated.
but testosterone deals with sex drive, aggressiveness, and assertiveness would you agree? wouldnt having much more amplify those effects? or going from having none to having high levels amplify it? im on hrt and had no sex drive before i started, and now mines just okay, and soome days i feel like before i went on it. any ideas? i got blood tests and my test got up to 1500 on only 300 mg a week of cyp, a heavy ester. HOWEVER my estro was 60 on a scale of (7-42) now its 30 on the same scale, too high in my opinion, but im using aromasin now, and arimidex makes me real tired, so letro would do the same, probably more. what do you use for an Anti-E? im lwering my test down to 200 mg a week, which shud land me around 1000-1100. i probably didnt have levels that high before i was hypogonadal, and i was very horny, aggressive and felt good. so i once again point back to the estrogen dominating the receptors.

**IBdmfkr** · 10-13-2006, 08:32 AM

I'd say that you'd notice having low test levels much more than having normal test levels.. When I've crashed in the past coming off a cycle it was quite obvious to me, but when getting on test I didn't feel it "kick-in".. Yes I felt a bit more energy, saw strength and weight increase but nothing like some of these guys state. I see it a lot more with younger guys on their first cycle or two make these claims as they get so excited when they inject etc, a lot of it's a mental thing. Roid rage ? I don't think so, if a hot-head takes juice he will still be a hot-head but his confidence will be higher because he subconsciously knows he has more testosterone .

Anyway, point being you'll feel great if you replace your levels of test compared to being below average, so I'm glad you're able to fix your hormone imbalance.
An abundance of estrogen is never a good thing when test levels are down, make you feel like a woman

**Warrior21** · 10-13-2006, 09:19 AM

So I take it my estro levels of 36 are too high? And my test not on a cycle usually is around 1000ng/dl.

**timtim** · 10-13-2006, 03:37 PM

but testosterone deals with sex drive, aggressiveness, and assertiveness would you agree? wouldnt having much more amplify those effects?

i get none of this. no acne either. i dont get the kick that others speak of. i also dont gain 20 pounds per cycle as most claim. i usually shoot for and keep 6 to 7 pounds. there is only so much you can grow with gear till you have to stay on year round for gains and i dont believe in getting 25 pounds over my genetic limit just to lose it when my body returns to homeostasis. perfect dieting will maintain and add mass throughout the year.

dont expect to "feel" anything from the test, especially hrt doses. you'll simply begin to notice weight gain (depends on diet alot), tighter/more toned muscle even at rest, and an overall increase in muscle volume.

high estrogen levels will mess with your body though, in my experience. controlling estrogen during and after a cycle through pct is the best way to maintain gains from a cycle. once your estrogen levels flip and test drops, then trouble begins - in my experience.