Current Pics, BEFORE Cycle...

[Reed]

lol maybe YOU need to SHUT THE FUK UP buddy i was just saying it IS possiable to lift that much and this kid is a freak and has played football from birth almost..reminds me of when smokethedays said he could lift 365lbs on bench 20 times.. thats what a 10,000lbs bench right??? for one??? and just because you and fireguy do look awsome and fukin ****** ect ect is NO REASON SO LOOK DOWN ON EVERYONE ELSE get off you high horses

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awww someone getting angry

no we just tell it like it is and don't worry about fragile egos. i wasn't on any high horse, i live in reality and we call it like we see it. He wants to pursue a competitive bodybuilding career so this less bullshit the better, if he can't handle the criticism or anyone else for that matter than they should change the sport cause thats all you're going to get the whole entire time.

funny how all these stories change. went from 315 x 13 full reps now down to 315 x8

[UncleD]

[QUOTE=Reed;4767922]/
awww someone getting angry

no we just tell it like it is and don't worry about fragile egos. i wasn't on any high horse, i live in reality and we call it like we see it. He wants to pursue a competitive bodybuilding career so this less bullshit the better, if he can't handle the criticism or anyone else for that matter than they should change the sport cause thats all you're going to get the whole entire time.

funny how all these stories change. went from 315 x 13 full reps now down to 315 x8

just want to say sorry to fireguy and reed, my head is still dizzy from loseing 2,345$ on a gear order because of certian events and im really steamed..seeing i cant think straight right now and im being a total dumbass im going to not post for a while till i line out...and what you are saying is true

[The Deuce]

I don't know who measured you, but I think your stats are off. But still hope everything works out for you.

Ummm.. no those stats are accurate bub.. I can use a tape measure.. once again.. NO NEED FOR ME TO LIE. I guess if it is absolutely necessary I will take a picture with a tape measure to prove it. I HATE IT to come to that. WHICH measurements are you disputing??

[The Deuce]

Oh and that video of 1/4 squats REED, I definitely GO LOWER than that with 585 on my back.... a lot lower.. hahaha

[FireGuy]

lol maybe YOU need to SHUT THE FUK UP buddy i was just saying it IS possiable to lift that much and this kid is a freak and has played football from birth almost..reminds me of when smokethedays said he could lift 365lbs on bench 20 times.. thats what a 10,000lbs bench right??? for one??? and just because you and fireguy do look awsome and fukin ****** ect ect is NO REASON SO LOOK DOWN ON EVERYONE ELSE get off you high horses

You know, I remember that thread about Smoke very well and if you recall he eventually toned it down (after being called out) and said the last 6 or so reps were assisted. There would be so much less controversy if people just told the exact truth the first time. 365 for 14 is still damn impressive in my book.

[illwillogical]

You know, I remember that thread about Smoke very well and if you recall he eventually toned it down (after being called out) and said the last 6 or so reps were assisted. There would be so much less controversy if people just told the exact truth the first time. 365 for 14 is still damn impressive in my book.

On the internet 365 for 14 is easy lol!

[Equiguns]

i agree with the above posts somewhere up there from earlier. you are either a body builder or youre a power lifter. sure people make the transition between the two but then they stick with what they either want or are better at. a body builder has a totally different workout routine than a powerlifter. it took me years to realize that i don't feel or look like a ***** at the gym when i have the standing calf machine at 1/4th of the stack instead of the whole stack and then some.
people build muscle and gain aesthetics much easier using lighter weights, more reps, and proper form... as well as the proper number and type of exercises. being a power lifter you're going to want to spend less time on a 15 rep abducted isolation hammer curl and more time on 6 rep barbell curls.
i look better now and im not nearly as "strong" as i once was (if you even want to call it that)

[Tjohn6231]

Everyone needs to calm down, and slowly move toward the exit doors.

[The Deuce]

As I have stated, I am NEW tUBo this whole BODYBUILDING thing. Obviously i have been lifting for years but not with any focus towards making it so I could be a bodybuilder. When I first thought about BBing I thought you just got jacked and R I P P E D up and then go on a stage FLEX and Pose and then they judged the winner...

Now of course I know better and know that there is a hell of a lot more that goes into it. I have a lot of progress I have to make before I can even think of making an appearance on the stage... Ya know?? I am trying, I will put my all into it and HOPEFULLY I will be able to succeed...

[WARMachine]

Youll get there my friend! Keep up the hard work, keep listening to the guys like Reed and Fireguy.

Just keep working, and dont quit!

-WAR

[Tjohn6231]

Just keep doing it. Everyone has their own goals. You look awesome already. You said that you were almost at 300lbs at one time, so thats a huge transition already. Sometimes people will mess with you just because they have nothing better to do. Dont take it personal.

[ENraged]

As I have stated, I am NEW tUBo this whole BODYBUILDING thing. Obviously i have been lifting for years but not with any focus towards making it so I could be a bodybuilder. When I first thought about BBing I thought you just got jacked and R I P P E D up and then go on a stage FLEX and Pose and then they judged the winner...

Now of course I know better and know that there is a hell of a lot more that goes into it. I have a lot of progress I have to make before I can even think of making an appearance on the stage... Ya know?? I am trying, I will put my all into it and HOPEFULLY I will be able to succeed...

Before you flip out about the cost you should contact your insurance provider if you are covered.
Some companies cover tummy tuck from extreme weight loss. I know mine goes because one of my co-worker had a gastric job done and now she is going to need work down.

[Tjohn6231]

Ive also said before that I was a border line fat a$$ at one time, and I still have stomach fat that Im trying to lose. Ill probably have loose skin when Im finished. I would like to know if anyone has had a tummy tuck before. I would have it done for sure if I end up needing it, but I'd like to hear from guys with experience.

[The Deuce]

Youll get there my friend! Keep up the hard work, keep listening to the guys like Reed and Fireguy.

Just keep working, and dont quit!

-WAR

Thanks WAR... But ummm shouldn't I listen to your advice too?? Or are you not giving it anymore?? lol..

Yah Reed and FireGuy have pretty much basically slapped the shizzit out of me and brought me into reality to prepare me for this journey I am about to commence in, and for that I extremely commend them for doing such a task.. they definitely made me see things in a totally different light..

BUT...

I can not lay it solely on them.. A LOT of peeps on this board have helped me and deserve due credit... I just can not begin to name them all off.. lol..

Just keep doing it. Everyone has their own goals. You look awesome already. You said that you were almost at 300lbs at one time, so thats a huge transition already. Sometimes people will mess with you just because they have nothing better to do. Dont take it personal.

Thanks man, THAT MEANS A LOT !!

Yah AT one point not to far in the past I was definitely one Fat Bastid !! Yah I know people like to mess with people because they got nothing better to do and I try not to take it personal I just hate being attacked... especially via a computer where I have no way to defend myself other than words.. it's just a pain... lol.. But thanks for the kind words bro... and dont WORRY I am not EVER going to give up.. my goals and aspirations are too important to me to abandon now.. I have COME to far...

Before you flip out about the cost you should contact your insurance provider if you are covered.
Some companies cover tummy tuck from extreme weight loss. I know mine goes because one of my co-worker had a gastric job done and now she is going to need work down.

Ehhh my insurance might cover it but I doubt it.. I have state funded MEDICAL insurance.. so I would have to look into it... MAYBE. But thanks for letting me know...

[FireGuy]

Just keep doing it. Everyone has their own goals. You look awesome already. You said that you were almost at 300lbs at one time, so thats a huge transition already. Sometimes people will mess with you just because they have nothing better to do. Dont take it personal.

I dont think anyone in the thread was "messing" with Deuce. If you read his first post he wanted an honest critique and even said "be vicious and light into me". As far as Reed and myself we just gave an honest assessment.

Deuce has made some great progress but to tell a guy who is still mid teens bodyfat% and has several lagging muscle groups he looks "awesome" is doing him a disservice. I know this is subjective but lets save the "looking awesome" for guys like Bino, Nark and Reed. (apologies to others I know I am missing).

There is a difference between flaming and critiquing and I didnt see any flaming going on in this thread. The guy stated he wants to compete and was given advice on what he needed to do to reach that goal.

[Narkissos]

Bodybuilding isn't for people with fragile egos.

I've seen people laughed off stage already.

What would suck more... being told here that you need to re-evaluate your goals?

Or to show up on stage, and get laughed off?

People need to suck it up, and flush the ego.

To the OP... you're not 17%.

Props to what you've accomplished however.

Keep at it... the sky is the limit.

[Tjohn6231]

I dont think anyone in the thread was "messing" with Deuce. If you read his first post he wanted an honest critique and even said "be vicious and light into me". As far as Reed and myself we just gave an honest assessment.

Deuce has made some great progress but to tell a guy who is still mid teens bodyfat% and has several lagging muscle groups he looks "awesome" is doing him a disservice. I know this is subjective but lets save the "looking awesome" for guys like Bino, Nark and Reed. (apologies to others I know I am missing).

There is a difference between flaming and critiquing and I didnt see any flaming going on in this thread. The guy stated he wants to compete and was given advice on what he needed to do to reach that goal.

I didnt mean anything bad, I was just trying to keep some positive stuff in the thread. Im just that type of guy.

[Dont wanna be old]

On the loose skin issue . I'm a delivery driver . We had 2 guys do gastric by pass or something , they where huge over weight . They don't workout . but loosing huge amounts of weight over a year . There skin is slowly getting smaller. Looks more like soft skin love handles and belly flab . It seems to shrink very slowly , not sure if you ever bounce a quarter of there belly .
I believe you have surpassed them in lowering your BF % . Could be you lost faster than body could adjust .
I have seen women that where chubby and post pregnancy recover nicely.
Only time will tell but if your trying different things I am sure you will gain ground . Just have to be patient .

Good luck

[The Deuce]

I dont think anyone in the thread was "messing" with Deuce. If you read his first post he wanted an honest critique and even said "be vicious and light into me". As far as Reed and myself we just gave an honest assessment.

Deuce has made some great progress but to tell a guy who is still mid teens bodyfat% and has several lagging muscle groups he looks "awesome" is doing him a disservice. I know this is subjective but lets save the "looking awesome" for guys like Bino, Nark and Reed. (apologies to others I know I am missing).

There is a difference between flaming and critiquing and I didnt see any flaming going on in this thread. The guy stated he wants to compete and was given advice on what he needed to do to reach that goal.

Yes FireGuy is right.. I do need to be lit into and told the truth but OF COURSE hearing that I look awesome is a bit of an un-needed ego boost.. telling me I look like shit is just gonna of course make me go "Oh yah, that sucks.. wow yah I do.. all things considered.." But I am not gonna go slit my wrists over it. I NEED TO BE TOLD THIS STUFF.

I am trying to pursue a career IN BodyBuilding, however long this takes me I dont know.. nor do I really care.. the means behind which I am going to go for is all that matters.. I will MAKE IT one day..

Of course I know as far as BODYBUILDING standards go by I look like SHIT.

But on any other stretch of the word I look a hell of a lot better than I DID just ohhhh 6 months ago.. here let me find a pic...



This picture was in February of 09.. despite the datestamp.. 11-11-09 has not ever occurred yet...



And another one... this is a little over 5 months ago.. are you going to tell me progress between the pics I have up at the beginning of this THREAD compared to these taken like 170 days ago aren't a COMPLETE 180 ??

It just shows what determination can do... I am dedicated GUYS I really wish you could see that. I want to make this happen, I do this everyday.. I strive and I push and I grind... I eat and eat and eat... I train and train and train...

AND NOW IT'S TIME TO FOCUS IN AND GET EVERYTHING WORKING TOGETHER.. what's the word.. SYNERGISTICALLY or something like that...

You guys always yell at me for the whole CAPS LOCK thing and this that and the other thing when it all boils down to is all I want is HELP. I want to be able to make it on that stage "NOT GET LAUGHED OFF" and to one day take the WIN.

I know that I am a long ways away, I know I have a hard road ahead of me.. but I believe with all of your help and my determination I will be able to do it..

I mean LOOK !! Look at how well me listening to you guys has helped me in JUST 5 measly months??

I appreciate everything everyone has done for me... all the time you have taken out of your day to help me along... IT'S SO AWESOME... I just hope that one day I will be able to repay the favor... Thanks again to all those who have helped me.

Bodybuilding isn't for people with fragile egos.

I've seen people laughed off stage already.

What would suck more... being told here that you need to re-evaluate your goals?

Or to show up on stage, and get laughed off?

People need to suck it up, and flush the ego.

To the OP... you're not 17%.

Props to what you've accomplished however.

Keep at it... the sky is the limit.

I am working on flushing the ego. Trust me I am, I am just now coming to terms with how brutally honest this sport can be... I am building up the appropriate emotional tools to be able to handle it.. It's different.. It's a whole new Ball game so to speak.


AS FOR MY BF% I just did 9 point method with the CALIPER.

Chest = 13mm
Abdominal = 30mm
Thigh = 12mm
Bicep = 7mm
Tricep = 7mm
Subscapular = 24mm
Suprailiac = 19mm
Lower Back = 26mm
Calf = 6mm

Body Fat % = 17.20 %
LBS. of Bodyfat = 38.88lbs
Lean Bodyweight = 187.12lbs.

I am 72" tall and weigh in at 226lbs. at 27 years old.

So according to that, I am 17-ish % Bf... and I JUST DID THIS RIGHT BEFORE THE Post.. so .. yah.. I don't think the caliper and measurement is lying to me brotha but it could be.. I dunno.. I know it was done correctly because I had my Buddy do it who is well.. very versed in using Calipers.. I guess it coulda been done wrong.. nothing is ever 100% but those are the numbers... I plan on doing this weekly to record my progress.. Hopefully it changes for the better week to week... might do it once every two weeks.. I dont we shall see...

But thanks for the advice man.. ALWAYS WELCOME

I didnt mean anything bad, I was just trying to keep some positive stuff in the thread. Im just that type of guy.

And I appreciate it dude.. and I know what you meant by it.. I know you werent trying to tell me I was show quality already... but now that people can see some REAL before pictures from 5 months ago to the current ones taken a week ago... maybe I will start to get a little bit more credit on how hard I have been working...

EVEN THOUGH I HAVE A SHITTON OF WORK LEFT TO DO AND A GRUELING ROAD AHEAD OF ME..

But the sick part... I LOOK FORWARD TO THE PAIN AND THE TORTURE OF IT.. Because when the DAY comes that I actually WIN my FIRST TROPHY.. That moment.. (aside from the birth of my kids and *ahem ahem uhh.. my wedding day.. lol*) WILL BE THE SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT DEFINING MOMENT OF MY LIFE !!!

[The Deuce]

Bump !!

This is one of the first times I have ever bumped one of my Posts but I hadn't received any opinions on whether or not in slightly under 6 months if I have made ridiculously awesome progress... so I am gonna BUMP it and see what happens... lol...

[energizer bunny]

Deuce... youve definately made changes and all good ones!!...i to would be happy with that in 6 months.. keep your head up and just think how youl look in another 6 months... good luck..

[illwillogical]

That one pic in that one thread when you were at the top of your game is really nice, maybe you can get back to that condition.

[gigabitbucket]

I am impressed with the pics.

[The Deuce]

I am impressed with the pics.

Thanks, I aint PERFECT but I am putting in a lot of HARD WORK !! And I dunno, I just have a lot more work to go.. lol .. A LOT !!

[*RAGE*]

We have talked in the past on how I feel bro, but it is your life so do what you will as long when the final day comes you can look down and say you gave it all you had, then you are a winner no matter what anyone says.....JMO

[johnq]

one hell of a transformation THE DEUECE keep up the good work.

[Reed]

Yeah I gotta agree. Give credit where credit is do. You have put work in and it shows. Great work!!!

[The Deuce]

We have talked in the past on how I feel bro, but it is your life so do what you will as long when the final day comes you can look down and say you gave it all you had, then you are a winner no matter what anyone says.....JMO

I am not quite sure what you mean by the first part of that.. I dont remember discussing how you feel annd all.. but you said it's my life so do what you will...

I am so confused by this brotha man... help me out and remind me what u mean.. THROUGH A PM !!! IF I dont hear from ya .. Ill send you a PM because who KNOWS if you will see this message...



And to REED: Thank you man, that means a lot.. It just goes to show someone what can happen in as little as 6 months with a PROPER DIET TWEAK and a few other odds and end adjusted...

I am just stoked to see that everyone here has noticed the progress of what I have accomplished in 6 months.. NOW I am looking forward to that YEAR mark.. then 18 month Mark.. then the 2 year.. and so on and so on...

With your help and the HELP of others I see myself being able to accomplish my DREAM... Of being a BBer at some point... Thanks again.

[Matt]

Keep chasing that dream bro, you've come along way so well done...

[The Deuce]

HEY BROS...


NOTICE ANY CHANGE...AT ALL .... IN 3 WEEKS TIME.. ANYTHING???


I can't tell... I need someone else to point it out to me...


Snapped these yesterday...









I mean I have put in 3 hard weeks worth of work and I look at these pics and the ones from 3 weeks ago.. and I think I can see differences but I dont know if my eyes are playing tricks on me... IN THE PICS at the start of the Thread I weighed 225... I now weigh 230... 5 lbs heavy.. and I know it's not FAT.. but if I added 5 lbs. of MUSCLE.. Where is it?? lol... Or maybe it's there and you guys can see it and I am just being my own worst critic right now..


Thanks guys !!!

[UncleD]

ya lookin more lean then before and very very angry

[The Deuce]

It's the 100mgs of Test per day... lol...

Ya really think so?? Thats what everyone around me is saying too... that and .. holy hell dude are u working out??? YOU LOOK HUGE !!

[...aydn...]

i wanna cycle

[lovbyts]

Get out of the kids sand box. LOL

[The Deuce]

Ummm.... ANYONE ELSE NOTICE ANY CHANGE WHATSOEVER IN MY PHYSIQUE IN THE SPAN OF 3 WEEKS..

....aydn.... -- what are you waiting for??

But yah back to my question... CHANGES.. ARE THEY HAPPENING??

[Gaspari1255]

Arms definitely have much harder dense look to them. Good work.

[D7M]

honestly, it's hard to tell.

you're gonna have to snap some pics similar to your others (shirtless)

if you want a good assessment.

[The Deuce]

honestly, it's hard to tell.

you're gonna have to snap some pics similar to your others (shirtless)

if you want a good assessment.

That's what i figured... I will be doing that later on today.. I'LL TRY and have them in the same position as the last ones too.. so that way the comparison will be a lot easier.. thanks.

[Dont wanna be old]

Duece looking good !

[wharton]

Thats not a date stamp on the photo looks like a time stamp :