Andre's 2003 year end review...

**Andre Avigdor** · 03-18-2004, 04:49 PM

Well folks... it's been a while, so I thought I would post an update... This is me and Ronnie at the Arnold Classic 2 weeks ago along with some photos taken 2 days before the Arnold. I put together a site about my trip to the AC that can viewed on my webpage or at www.arnoldclassic2004.com .

**amotanis** · 03-18-2004, 05:04 PM

Andre! WOW! great dedication! My girlfreind.. well roomate, whatever we are now is Wondering what your wife's program all entailed? She says congratulations to both of you too.

peaC

**Bound for Muscle** · 03-18-2004, 06:45 PM

wow man, your wife looks gorgeous after dropping all the weight...it's amazing how much different someone can look carrying a 100+ extra pounds

**MMC78** · 03-18-2004, 06:52 PM

What's going on with your right pec?

**Latimus** · 03-18-2004, 07:51 PM

this seems like an article out of a mag. something doesnt really feel right...the "before" pictures for new years look oddly the same as in situation and look. It is very hard to believe that your wife is the same person...her face looks so different...

Anyway you look great

**Andre Avigdor** · 03-18-2004, 07:59 PM

Originally Posted by Latimus

something doesnt really feel right...the "before" pictures for new years look oddly the same as in situation and look.

What do you mean???

**Andre Avigdor** · 03-18-2004, 08:00 PM

Originally Posted by MMC78

What's going on with your right pec?

Not sure what you are talking about?

**Andre Avigdor** · 03-18-2004, 08:08 PM

Originally Posted by amotanis

Andre! WOW! great dedication! My girlfreind.. well roomate, whatever we are now is Wondering what your wife's program all entailed? She says congratulations to both of you too.

peaC

Thanks! In a nutshell... my wife's program was based on weight training and cardio 6 days a week along with a VERY strict diet...

My diet is based on the following principles...

3 meals and 3 snacks that are spaced 3 hours apart, with the 1st being when you wake up and the last being just before bed. Meals & snacks are based on the following types of foods.

Each meal must have a protein source, they can come from the following…
-lean meat
-fish
-fat free cheese
-egg whites

1 fruit a day… ½ a banana counts as 1 fruit

As much vegetables as you like… this includes salad and frozen vegetables

Up to 2 slices of low calorie bread; this translates in to 50 or less calories per slice.

You can eat out, but must follow the above guidelines…

Alcohol must be kept at a bare minimum, no alcohol is ideal

You can not eat starchy foods like rice, pasta, potatoes or corn

You must drink sufficient water; this translates into at least 4 liters a day, with 8 being ideal

**Gear** · 03-19-2004, 01:15 PM

excellent transformation bro for both of you and your wife, wish you all the best

**Hyperlite** · 03-19-2004, 03:02 PM

how much cardio were you doing?

**Latimus** · 03-19-2004, 04:42 PM

that is a sweet picture of you and coleman...that must have been an experience

**daman1** · 03-19-2004, 05:34 PM

Awesome results bro! I love the Arnold Classic photos!

**thickmass** · 03-20-2004, 03:13 AM

Originally Posted by daman1

Awesome results bro! I love the Arnold Classic photos!

yeah, and remember now... Andre is 100% steroid free

**iron eater** · 03-20-2004, 06:55 AM

hmmmmmmmm

do you know this to be true?

**tehmoo** · 03-21-2004, 01:00 PM

So awesome..quite gob-smacked..

**Sage** · 03-21-2004, 03:00 PM

awesome transformation, the both of you.

**Andre Avigdor** · 03-22-2004, 12:38 PM

Originally Posted by thickmass

yeah, and remember now... Andre is 100% steroid free

You don't believe?

**Andre Avigdor** · 03-22-2004, 12:38 PM

Originally Posted by Hyperlite

how much cardio were you doing?

ALOT!

**nynsb** · 03-22-2004, 11:06 PM

Originally Posted by Andre Avigdor

ALOT!

How about posting a more current picture so we can see if you are
maintaining that physique

are you fit????

**Bigboy123** · 03-22-2004, 11:36 PM

U must really work hard bro... Keep up the hard work...

**thickmass** · 03-23-2004, 03:51 AM

Originally Posted by Andre Avigdor

You don't believe?

not for one second

**Andre Avigdor** · 03-23-2004, 07:44 AM

Originally Posted by thickmass

not for one second

I hate to break it to you... but I am natural...

Why is it so impossible?

**SwoleCat** · 03-23-2004, 08:49 AM

I had the same question about your pecs bro. Not a flame at all, but rather a question. My brutha and I were lookin' at your pecs, and it looks like you have incision lines on your nipples, and/or a mild case of gyno. Have you ever had gyno surgery or gyno itself, as it appears that is the case? (It's not like you're going to say "yes" if that's the case, not sure why I asked you to tell us, lol!)

I believe that is what MMC78 meant. Your 2003 pic doesn't have it, but your much heavier pic right next to it does, suggesting some type of surgery. Just curious, nothing more, Arnold must have been a blast.

Did you ever kick that guys butt who had you hold an "In Da Butt" sign for that candid picture? That would have p*ssed me off bro, then again, I know what IDB stands for, lol...........

We still await your help in the diet forum bro, we always see your pics/updates here, but you never come and help us out. You promised!

~SC~

**Andre Avigdor** · 03-23-2004, 10:18 AM

You guys seem to be really fixated with guys nipples... I have never had any gyno surgery... I will gladly take my shirt off for closer inspection the next time I see anyone from the board at an event... Take a closer look...

And it was all in good fun with the follks from offtopic.com... I even got a couple of those guys on my fat2fit program and chances are eventually they will make unto my webpage with the rest of the people I have help... at that point I will get them to hold up some kind of funny sign

**BigBull13** · 03-23-2004, 11:41 AM

How did you go from fat to cut?

**SwoleCat** · 03-23-2004, 12:14 PM

Fixation? Not really considering your pec is in the CENTER of the pic.

It's clear as day in the pic that something appears "different", hence the question by myself and others.

No need to be so defensive bro, it was just a question and you have answered. You swear like someone here is going to just "run into you" and ask to see your tit, lol.

You did however ignore the part about the diet forum. You do help w/diets, correct?
Or do you not help out the general public unless they come to you for service? We could always use the help of someone who helps so many others, after all, you have to spread yourself around and be willing to help! Don't forget your pics may inspire people, yes, but then they want more and then need your assistance. A.R. is all about assistance and support.

~SC~

**Andre Avigdor** · 03-23-2004, 12:19 PM

Originally Posted by BigBull13

How did you go from fat to cut?

I followed a diet called the 'Protein Sparring Modified Fast'... see attached...

**El Diablo** · 03-23-2004, 01:42 PM

Andre:

Your transformation is an inspiration to all...I'm not calling bullshi t on you doing it naturally, but it is hard to believe! Your transformation is awesome! Hopefully I can end up as big as you some day.

Props to your wife on her transformation too.

**BUYLONGTERM** · 03-23-2004, 01:57 PM

If you compare the June 2003 pic to the July 2003 pic, you look A LOT bigger in JUNE? Hell, you look bigger in June than you did in August?? That doesnt seem right?

**Andre Avigdor** · 03-23-2004, 07:09 PM

Originally Posted by buylongterm

If you compare the June 2003 pic to the July 2003 pic, you look A LOT bigger in JUNE? Hell, you look bigger in June than you did in August?? That doesnt seem right?

You think I looked bigger in the 170's??? I might have been leaner... but for sure not bigger... Here are some more shots of me in the 170's-180's-190's-200's... I am in the process of dieting down to about ~200lbs...

**Andre Avigdor** · 03-23-2004, 08:06 PM

Originally Posted by whiteykauai

all natural bwhahahahahahahhah yea right !! all natural gaining...and dieting to achieve those results in nine months, i dont think so buddy

Thanks for the compliment... I guess you must not know much about dieting or training to make a statement like that...

Any physique that everyone believes is natural is a natural physique that isn't worth having! - Skip LaCour

**SwoleCat** · 03-23-2004, 08:39 PM

Nice job ignorning our diet board request. No respect for Vets around here.

~SC~

**MMC78** · 03-23-2004, 08:46 PM

Originally Posted by Andre Avigdor

Any physique that everyone believes is natural is a natural physique that isn't worth having! - Skip LaCour

It's unknown whether Skip is really natural or not. I have discussed this with a WNBF pro.

**longhornDr** · 03-23-2004, 09:43 PM

I don't see how you can act surprised that people don't think you are natural...in all your pics you look pretty lean and hard, then you look soft and bloated in a way usually only seen on a heavy cycle, and then back to lean and hard again in the next set of pics...

Either way I'm not trying to flame you, impressive progress natural or not.

**BUYLONGTERM** · 03-23-2004, 10:27 PM

We need to put this argument to rest

My take is simple. (I'm not getting caught up in this argument or immaturity) Andre. I personally think you have taken steroids JMO...But guess what? You look unbelievable, plain and simple. No one will look down on you because of this especially from this board. Your before and after pics are incredible. Just because you did or didn't take steroids doesn't mean you worked any less to get where you are. It took a lot of hard work and determination to get there. I could care less if someone took horse sh it
to get in shape as long as they busted there ass to get there.

So I don't know why post after every post this argument continues. Bro's if he did take it he obviously will never admit it, so instead of continually starting arguments, we should concentrate on other things. I also know if your trying to make $$$ with a diet program so be it. God bless you. But, I just think with all the uncertaintly surrounding you, it's going to be very difficult.

Andre, as Swole says, you should help out in the Diet forum.

When it comes to diet programs, The only bro I think I truly trust with a diet program is SWOLECAT.

Congrats bro, no matter how you got there. Keep busting your ass

PEACE,

**borderbound** · 03-23-2004, 11:57 PM

great job bro and mrs bro
i dont understand the disbelief the pic at 255 although high in bodyfat %
looks like a guy with some strength and muscle
what were your max lifts in those days

people should understand that all the insulin your body was making from your eating habbits in those days built some muscle as well

**Andre Avigdor** · 03-24-2004, 04:43 AM

Originally Posted by SwoleCat

Nice job ignorning our diet board request. No respect for Vets around here.

~SC~

I am just ignoring you...

**Andre Avigdor** · 03-24-2004, 04:46 AM

Originally Posted by longhornDr

I don't see how you can act surprised that people don't think you are natural...in all your pics you look pretty lean and hard, then you look soft and bloated in a way usually only seen on a heavy cycle, and then back to lean and hard again in the next set of pics...

Either way I'm not trying to flame you, impressive progress natural or not.

Well said... keep in mind that those dramatic changes are really as a result of the way people change thier diet while cycling... I know of several people who do juice that are not as serious about thier diet as me and as a result do not get as good results as I do...

**3vil3lmo** · 03-24-2004, 05:05 AM

Does it really matter if he is or isnt natural? You can argue all day if he isnt or is. But in the end, we will never know for sure, he does. If he isnt natural, he is just lieing to himself.

Natural or not, your looking great mate. Keep up the training.

**LeanMeOut** · 03-24-2004, 09:53 AM

Originally Posted by Andre Avigdor

I am just ignoring you...

That's pretty rude man... I am just curious about your diet too. Please share some info with us. I am in a similar situation as you. I lost over 70 pounds and now I am building back up again. Posting in the diet section would help a lot of people.

Mike