NO evidence Iran has a nuclear weapon program!!

[RA]

Iran: Monday, April 17 - 2006 at 12:52
The Iranian Oil Ministry is planning the construction of three new refineries for oil and gas condensates, as well as the refurbishing of a number of existing refineries, the Oil Minister, Kazem Vaziri Hamaneh said.

Interesting. I was sure it was Iran. I'll have to take a look.

[mcpeepants]

#1 Iran is not doing it for energy needs. They want a bomb.

#2 They dont have refineries. They export crude and import refined oil.

#3 If Iran has nukes..terrorists have nukes..hence it will be stopped.

1 and 2. they definitely need nuclear energy and your second post reinforces. There refineries have become warn and they unable to upgrade them in part to US sanctions. Also Iran does not want to waste it's oil trying to power the country. It would be better for it to use nukes to power the country and sell the oil to foreign market to further get money to develope the control. Plus burning all that oil can't be helping the health of the Iranian society. Iran probably wants nukes too. They saw what happened to Saddam and they need a deterance to avoid being attacked.

3. Terrorists have no allegience (sp) to governments. Why would Iran, let alone any government, trust terrorists with nukes? They could easily use it against you or sell you out. It's surrounded by nuclear powered countries: Pakistan, Israel, and the US in Iraq. Iran needs nukes for deterance.

[juiceboxxx]

Um...1st of all teabegger talked some smack and I stated a fact and the thread got closed down and now they re open it but delete the truth that came out of some peoples minds?

dont hide it! we know who is what and who thinks what! Let the truth be heard! if not then why even be here to discuss threse matters? just close em and delete em no point of stating our arguements cuz they will get closed down if its reality!

[Kärnfysikern]

what thread has been reopened and post deleted?

[juiceboxxx]

what thread has been reopened and post deleted?

lol nm I feel stupid now I had the threads mixed up.

I was talking about this thread here............. Hizbollah is justified in attacking Israel.

It shouldn't have been closed. Btw I think teabegger should get banned or suspended at the very least for those words of his in that thread.

[Kärnfysikern]

mixup happens easily.


I closed it because it was just a dirty thread ..

bans and suspensions are up to one of the admins though.

[juiceboxxx]

mixup happens easily.


I closed it because it was just a dirty thread ..

bans and suspensions are up to one of the admins though.

hmm alright good call bro

[Logan13]

1 and 2. they definitely need nuclear energy and your second post reinforces. There refineries have become warn and they unable to upgrade them in part to US sanctions. Also Iran does not want to waste it's oil trying to power the country. It would be better for it to use nukes to power the country and sell the oil to foreign market to further get money to develope the control. Plus burning all that oil can't be helping the health of the Iranian society. Iran probably wants nukes too. They saw what happened to Saddam and they need a deterance to avoid being attacked.

3. Terrorists have no allegience (sp) to governments. Why would Iran, let alone any government, trust terrorists with nukes? They could easily use it against you or sell you out. It's surrounded by nuclear powered countries: Pakistan, Israel, and the US in Iraq. Iran needs nukes for deterance.

This is one of the most naive posts that I have seen......ever.
1 & 2: Bullshit. Have you ever heard of electricity? They want nuclear capability. Period!
3: They share the same goals pal, to kill all non-muslims(this includes you). Iran has sided with both hezbollah and hamas in pursuit of this goal. The world does not want Iran to have nukes, it is not just the US. The terrorists are hiding behind the cloak of a "sovereign" nation. The bad guys don't always wear black like they do in the movies, but with a little common sense you should be able to distinguish the bad from the good. Unfortunately, common sense can not be learned..........

[Teabagger]

I have no problem with Iran having nuclear power plants to generate energy...and they can have that. Johan has pointed out countless times there is technology to provide nuclear power without providing the means to produce the material for a nuclear weapon. Iran refuses to accept this...because they want nuclear weapons....and the world will not allow that..or God help us all.

[singern]

I have no problem with Iran having nuclear power plants to generate energy...and they can have that. Johan has pointed out countless times there is technology to provide nuclear power without providing the means to produce the material for a nuclear weapon. Iran refuses to accept this...because they want nuclear weapons....and the world will not allow that..or God help us all.

Amen.

[Phreak101]

After reading all of this, it's hard to disagree with the proof and logic both Singern and Teabagger are providing, especially with Johan mentioning the Russia would supply enriched uranium for Iran and they refused.

Bush is not propogating this, I can't even remember who said it but what a load of hog sh!t. Why would a country trying to prove that it is enriching uranium for peaceful purposes defy the U.N by expanding it's program, AND deny a way to make everybody happy by importing already enriched uranium for reactor purposes?

It does not add up, who does Iran think it's fooling?

[mcpeepants]

This is one of the most naive posts that I have seen......ever.
1 & 2: Bullshit. Have you ever heard of electricity? They want nuclear capability. Period!
3: They share the same goals pal, to kill all non-muslims(this includes you). Iran has sided with both hezbollah and hamas in pursuit of this goal. The world does not want Iran to have nukes, it is not just the US. The terrorists are hiding behind the cloak of a "sovereign" nation. The bad guys don't always wear black like they do in the movies, but with a little common sense you should be able to distinguish the bad from the good. Unfortunately, common sense can not be learned..........

Do you know a nuclear power plant are used to generate electricity? Your over simplifying conflicts with "good guys" and "bads guys" like this was a movie. Iran, Hezballah, and hamas have their ties but they have their own goals and agenda. The issues are political and can only be solved through dialogue.

[Kärnfysikern]

Do you know a nuclear power plant are used to generate electricity? Your over simplifying conflicts with "good guys" and "bads guys" like this was a movie. Iran, Hezballah, and hamas have their ties but they have their own goals and agenda. The issues are political and can only be solved through dialogue.

If iran wanted just nuclear power plants they would have gone along with Russians offer. Especialy after all this crap. They are doing nothing to show the world we can trust them.

If they want nuclear power they should do what the UN tells them. Go along with the russian deal and get nuclear power that way. After 10 years or so of running the power plants flawlessly they would be in a much better position to get approval for there own enrichment plants.

There is no other possible reason for them to rush this other than weapons. Or maby they are just trying to show they have big balls. But unfortunaly all they are showing is stupidity.

[mcpeepants]

If iran wanted just nuclear power plants they would have gone along with Russians offer. Especialy after all this crap. They are doing nothing to show the world we can trust them.

If they want nuclear power they should do what the UN tells them. Go along with the russian deal and get nuclear power that way. After 10 years or so of running the power plants flawlessly they would be in a much better position to get approval for there own enrichment plants.

There is no other possible reason for them to rush this other than weapons. Or maby they are just trying to show they have big balls. But unfortunaly all they are showing is stupidity.

As a signer of the NPT treaty it is allowed to use enrich uranium for the use of energy production. Iran is not violating the treaty. That offer is unreasonable because it adds constraints to Iran that are not required. Iran would also be giving control of it's energy security to the hands of another country. Russia could use this a leverage to get a better deal in developing Iran oil fields than say China.

Why does Iran need to gain trust to do something it's legally allowed to do? Iran also has reasons not to trust the US intentions. The US overthrew there democratic government in the 1950s, supported the shah, and supported Saddam when he started a war with Iran and even as he used chemical weapons on Iranians.

[Kärnfysikern]

As a signer of the NPT treaty it is allowed to use enrich uranium for the use of energy production. Iran is not violating the treaty. That offer is unreasonable because it adds constraints to Iran that are not required. Iran would also be giving control of it's energy security to the hands of another country. Russia could use this a leverage to get a better deal in developing Iran oil fields than say China.

Why does Iran need to gain trust to do something it's legally allowed to do? Iran also has reasons not to trust the US intentions. The US overthrew there democratic government in the 1950s, supported the shah, and supported Saddam when he started a war with Iran and even as he used chemical weapons on Iranians.

Well it isnt a fair word. Iran can not be trusted since the president himself has publicly shown his desire to eradicate israel. Religious fanatics and nuclear weapons isnt a good combination.

If hitler was around today running germany. Would you allow him enrichment capacity? NPT or not. Iran need to show some good will to the world. I seem to remeber that traces of highly enrichened uranium for research purposes has been found in Iran aswell making them even more suspect.

No one is asking Iran to trust USA. Most of the negotiations are with the EU.

The deal with russia could probably be sweetened enough for Iran to realy profit from it. Especialy at this point. Toss in the technology offers EU has given Iran and they are flat out moronic refusing the offer.

[Phreak101]

Well it isnt a fair word. Iran can not be trusted since the president himself has publicly shown his desire to eradicate israel. Religious fanatics and nuclear weapons isnt a good combination.

If hitler was around today running germany. Would you allow him enrichment capacity? NPT or not. Iran need to show some good will to the world. I seem to remeber that traces of highly enrichened uranium for research purposes has been found in Iran aswell making them even more suspect.

No one is asking Iran to trust USA. Most of the negotiations are with the EU.

The deal with russia could probably be sweetened enough for Iran to realy profit from it. Especialy at this point. Toss in the technology offers EU has given Iran and they are flat out moronic refusing the offer.

Sounds plausible to me. Mcpee don't you find it odd that right after Iran's president says he wants to wipe Israel off the face of the earth, Lebanon is using weapons provided by Iran to attack Israel. What would prevent Iran from supplying Hezbollah nukes if they had them? After all, the only way to wipe a country off the map that I know off is to nuke them....but of course, Iran just wants nuclear power so it won't be so oil dependent right?

Not that Iran does not have the right to possess nuclear weapons, but they have clearly demonstrated what their intentions are, and nuclear weaponry seems a bit to convenient in accomplishing the goal of wiping Israel off the map, while also threatening full scale world nuclear war.

No thanks, **** you Iran.

[Kärnfysikern]

well acctualy Iran does not have the right to have nuclear weapons since they have signed the NPT...

Id say **** the irani goverment not iran I atleast hope the avarage irani joe doesnt want anything to do with nuclear weapons or war.

[Phreak101]

well acctualy Iran does not have the right to have nuclear weapons since they have signed the NPT...

Id say **** the irani goverment not iran I atleast hope the avarage irani joe doesnt want anything to do with nuclear weapons or war.

I meant more the NATURAL right, but thank you for clarifying!

[Logan13]

Why does Iran need to gain trust to do something it's legally allowed to do? Iran also has reasons not to trust the US intentions. The US overthrew there democratic government in the 1950s, supported the shah, and supported Saddam when he started a war with Iran and even as he used chemical weapons on Iranians.

That's like asking why child molesters can't live next to a school. Insert a little common sense into the thought process. Saddam couldn't have gased anyone, that's just propaganda......... And again, it is not just the US who is speaking out against Iran having nukes, so leave your bias at the door on this one.

[mcpeepants]

Well it isnt a fair word. Iran can not be trusted since the president himself has publicly shown his desire to eradicate israel. Religious fanatics and nuclear weapons isnt a good combination.

If hitler was around today running germany. Would you allow him enrichment capacity? NPT or not. Iran need to show some good will to the world. I seem to remeber that traces of highly enrichened uranium for research purposes has been found in Iran aswell making them even more suspect.

No one is asking Iran to trust USA. Most of the negotiations are with the EU.

The deal with russia could probably be sweetened enough for Iran to realy profit from it. Especialy at this point. Toss in the technology offers EU has given Iran and they are flat out moronic refusing the offer.

Why should the security council be trusted? The US, Britain, and the allies illegally invaded Iraq and the security council stood by. The Security Council (which includes Britain, France, and Russia which are European nations) even voted to legitimize the occupation. Also the accusation made about Iran are very similar to the ones made about Iraq.

Iran is not Nazi Germany and is nowhere as strong. The Hitler "what if" analogy doesnt work. If Hitler existed today, we would know everthing he's going to do and could prevent it from happening. Iran is surrounded by sunni arab governments the are hostile to it, nuclear Pakistan to the east, American troops in Iraq, and nuclear Israel to the West so I did see where all this threat is coming from.

The Russia deal still leaves Iran's energy security in another country. Why should we assume Russia would not take advantage of that situation?

I don't take much in what the Iran's president is saying about Israel. He just pandering to his base just like most politicians. And you can dig up comments like that from other countries if you look around. The last thing is the Iranian president talks about destroying countries, while the US and Britain actually do.

[mcpeepants]

Sounds plausible to me. Mcpee don't you find it odd that right after Iran's president says he wants to wipe Israel off the face of the earth, Lebanon is using weapons provided by Iran to attack Israel. What would prevent Iran from supplying Hezbollah nukes if they had them? After all, the only way to wipe a country off the map that I know off is to nuke them....but of course, Iran just wants nuclear power so it won't be so oil dependent right?

Not that Iran does not have the right to possess nuclear weapons, but they have clearly demonstrated what their intentions are, and nuclear weaponry seems a bit to convenient in accomplishing the goal of wiping Israel off the map, while also threatening full scale world nuclear war.

No thanks, **** you Iran.

Again I see the "wipe Israel" comment as just political pandering. I'll look for Israeli comments about arabs, muslims, and Iranians and post some that a find. All in all I just see these comments as pandering to there respectives bases. The issue is political one, not religious.

Iran would never Hezballah or any group a nuclear weapon. Hezballah is not part of the Iranian government and I don't see any government in the world that would do something so stupid. Nukes are used as deterants and once there used the deterance is over. Don't forget that Israel has over 200 nukes. It could turn Iran into a parking lot if it ever tried to use a nuke on them via a proxy group.

The US sent Israel weapons it used to bomb Lebanese civilians. I think this is in violation of a US arms export law (can't think of the name).

Would you say that the US and British governments intentions are to invade Iran? There definitely using the Iraq playbook all over again.

[mcpeepants]

That's like asking why child molesters can't live next to a school. Insert a little common sense into the thought process. Saddam couldn't have gased anyone, that's just propaganda......... And again, it is not just the US who is speaking out against Iran having nukes, so leave your bias at the door on this one.

What post are you reading? Those thing you are choosing to ignore happened and it's the reason the Iranians have grievences. So you think the Saddams chemical attacks are propaganda? Tell that the dead and injured kurds and iranian civilians and troops. This happened and the US still backed Saddam while it's was happening. Forward two decades latter, the white house, politicians, and pundits used this incidents and other like it as excuses to invade Iraq. This is an issue I think the world could careless about if wasn't for the US and Britain using the same accusation they used on Iraq. I guess their new European allies in this accusation like looking like fools. Please point out my bias.

here's a nice read on the Iran-Iraq War

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_iraq_war

[Kärnfysikern]

Why should the security council be trusted? The US, Britain, and the allies illegally invaded Iraq and the security council stood by. The Security Council (which includes Britain, France, and Russia which are European nations) even voted to legitimize the occupation. Also the accusation made about Iran are very similar to the ones made about Iraq.

Iran is not Nazi Germany and is nowhere as strong. The Hitler "what if" analogy doesnt work. If Hitler existed today, we would know everthing he's going to do and could prevent it from happening. Iran is surrounded by sunni arab governments the are hostile to it, nuclear Pakistan to the east, American troops in Iraq, and nuclear Israel to the West so I did see where all this threat is coming from.

The Russia deal still leaves Iran's energy security in another country. Why should we assume Russia would not take advantage of that situation?

I don't take much in what the Iran's president is saying about Israel. He just pandering to his base just like most politicians. And you can dig up comments like that from other countries if you look around. The last thing is the Iranian president talks about destroying countries, while the US and Britain actually do.

Simple. Britain, france, germany ect are democracies. I trust democracies alot more then religious dictatorships...

I never said Iran is as strong as nazi germany. Just that the leader seems equaly crazy. The world should not be equal and fair when dealing with backward religious nutjobs that refuse to let there country into this century.

If russia screwed them on the deal they could buy from Australia or canada. Most countries with nuclear power import uranium. The cost of the fuel for a entire reactors lifetime is miniscule compared to the cost of building the reactor in the first place so there is NO economic reason to turn down russias offer and like I said above if russia tries to screw them over there are plenty of other sellers and other countries they can deal with.

[mcpeepants]

Simple. Britain, france, germany ect are democracies. I trust democracies alot more then religious dictatorships...

I never said Iran is as strong as nazi germany. Just that the leader seems equaly crazy. The world should not be equal and fair when dealing with backward religious nutjobs that refuse to let there country into this century.

If russia screwed them on the deal they could buy from Australia or canada. Most countries with nuclear power import uranium. The cost of the fuel for a entire reactors lifetime is miniscule compared to the cost of building the reactor in the first place so there is NO economic reason to turn down russias offer and like I said above if russia tries to screw them over there are plenty of other sellers and other countries they can deal with.

A bad leader is a bad leader irregardless of the system government. Britain illegally invaded Iraq along with the US, Australia and their allies. France, Russia, China, and the rest of the security council voted to legitimize the occupying powers. Why should they be trusted on Iran just because their democratic governments? The same leaders who invaded Iraq are still in power and are making the same accusation about Iran.

Why would Iran want to buy uranium from other countries? I think they have large deposits of uranium. The same problem exist no matter what country in doing the enriching.

I don't think the Iranian president is crazy. I think that's just a bunch fear mongering and propaganda. It similar to how democrats are always saying bush is dumb, an idiot etc.

[Kärnfysikern]

A bad leader is a bad leader irregardless of the system government. Britain illegally invaded Iraq along with the US, Australia and their allies. France, Russia, China, and the rest of the security council voted to legitimize the occupying powers. Why should they be trusted on Iran just because their democratic governments? The same leaders who invaded Iraq are still in power and are making the same accusation about Iran.

Why would Iran want to buy uranium from other countries? I think they have large deposits of uranium. The same problem exist no matter what country in doing the enriching.

I don't think the Iranian president is crazy. I think that's just a bunch fear mongering and propaganda. It similar to how democrats are always saying bush is dumb, an idiot etc.

Well even if the president isnt crazy it doesnt mean a whole lot when the ayatholla is in charge of the armed forces. Isnt the ayatholla pretty openly opposed to the west and agressive towards Israel?
I dont want to se nuclear weapons in the hands of ANY dictator, especialy not a very religious one because not even MAD is usefull against nutjobs, nutjobs that might not care about there own lifes aslong as they do what "god wants" . I dont have a problem with Brazil for instance building enrichment plants.

Even if Iran doesnt want to buy uranium from other countries they are in a position where they have to. Like I said the price of uranium is ridicilously low. Its like buying peanuts. Its probably less economical for iran to build all those enrichment plants. There is NO economic reason at all for Iran to have there own enrichment capacity. None.

They either wants the capability to produce weapons or they just want to show themself though against the rest of the world. Both are stupid things to do.

Propaganda or not, the world DO NOT trust Iran and Iran needs to show some goodwill towards the world. Buying uranium instead of having there own enrichment capacity would be a extremely cheap way of showing goodwill and they still get what they suposedly want. Nuclear power.

[Kale]

A bad leader is a bad leader irregardless of the system government. Britain illegally invaded Iraq along with the US, Australia and their allies. France, Russia, China, and the rest of the security council voted to legitimize the occupying powers. Why should they be trusted on Iran just because their democratic governments? The same leaders who invaded Iraq are still in power and are making the same accusation about Iran.

Why would Iran want to buy uranium from other countries? I think they have large deposits of uranium. The same problem exist no matter what country in doing the enriching.

I don't think the Iranian president is crazy. I think that's just a bunch fear mongering and propaganda. It similar to how democrats are always saying bush is dumb, an idiot etc.

You mean he isnt ?

[collar]

hiroshima bomb...
LOL..............

[mcpeepants]

Well even if the president isnt crazy it doesnt mean a whole lot when the ayatholla is in charge of the armed forces. Isnt the ayatholla pretty openly opposed to the west and agressive towards Israel?
I dont want to se nuclear weapons in the hands of ANY dictator, especialy not a very religious one because not even MAD is usefull against nutjobs, nutjobs that might not care about there own lifes aslong as they do what "god wants" . I dont have a problem with Brazil for instance building enrichment plants.

Even if Iran doesnt want to buy uranium from other countries they are in a position where they have to. Like I said the price of uranium is ridicilously low. Its like buying peanuts. Its probably less economical for iran to build all those enrichment plants. There is NO economic reason at all for Iran to have there own enrichment capacity. None.

They either wants the capability to produce weapons or they just want to show themself though against the rest of the world. Both are stupid things to do.

Propaganda or not, the world DO NOT trust Iran and Iran needs to show some goodwill towards the world. Buying uranium instead of having there own enrichment capacity would be a extremely cheap way of showing goodwill and they still get what they suposedly want. Nuclear power.

MAD would work with Iran just like it worked with the Soviet Union and other nuclear countries. The only way for invasion of the Iran to occur is if the media demonize them like we did Iraq. The same parties (with a few tag alones) the led to the Iraq war and the ones making noise about Iran's nuclear program.

I don't think the Ayatollah is opposed to the West. I think the previous Iranian president made overatures like renewing diplomatic relations with the US (that can only be done with premission of the Ayatollah) in 2003 but the white house brushed it aside.

I don't think the world cares about Iran's nuclear program. I only see a few western nations making a big deal out of nothing. The rest of the world is concerned about real issues like AIDS, TB, maleria, clean water, starvation, overpopulation, energy resources, etc. This wouln't be a problem if it wasn't for fear mongering by the same peoples who invaded the Iraq war or just looked the other way.

I don't think there is anything stupid about Iran motives. Iran needs nuclear technology to power the country and this will allow it to sell more oil. Iran also probably wants nuclear weapons. They saw how Iraq capitulated to weapns inspections and still got invaded. But sees how North Korea does have them and how the west now wants dialogue. We can also see there hasn't been a direct wars between nuclear powers.

[mcpeepants]

You mean he isnt ?

if he's stupid, what does it say about the democratic party that keeps losing to him?

[Logan13]

Why should the security council be trusted? The US, Britain, and the allies illegally invaded Iraq and the security council stood by. The Security Council (which includes Britain, France, and Russia which are European nations) even voted to legitimize the occupation. Also the accusation made about Iran are very similar to the ones made about Iraq.

Iran is not Nazi Germany and is nowhere as strong. The Hitler "what if" analogy doesnt work. If Hitler existed today, we would know everthing he's going to do and could prevent it from happening. Iran is surrounded by sunni arab governments the are hostile to it, nuclear Pakistan to the east, American troops in Iraq, and nuclear Israel to the West so I did see where all this threat is coming from.

The Russia deal still leaves Iran's energy security in another country. Why should we assume Russia would not take advantage of that situation?

I don't take much in what the Iran's president is saying about Israel. He just pandering to his base just like most politicians. And you can dig up comments like that from other countries if you look around. The last thing is the Iranian president talks about destroying countries, while the US and Britain actually do.

Bullshit. If Hitler were alive today, he would probably be able to go farther than he did back in the 30's and 40's since he would have people like yourself screaming that the world is not being fair to he and Germany. Your head-in-the-sand view of the world would apply to anyone, no matter how blatant the evidence is that they mean to create chaos, IMO.

[Logan13]

Again I see the "wipe Israel" comment as just political pandering. I'll look for Israeli comments about arabs, muslims, and Iranians and post some that a find. All in all I just see these comments as pandering to there respectives bases. The issue is political one, not religious.

Iran would never Hezballah or any group a nuclear weapon. Hezballah is not part of the Iranian government and I don't see any government in the world that would do something so stupid. Nukes are used as deterants and once there used the deterance is over. Don't forget that Israel has over 200 nukes. It could turn Iran into a parking lot if it ever tried to use a nuke on them via a proxy group.

The US sent Israel weapons it used to bomb Lebanese civilians. I think this is in violation of a US arms export law (can't think of the name).

Would you say that the US and British governments intentions are to invade Iran? There definitely using the Iraq playbook all over again.

You lack of insight is honestly scary. You obviously have no idea what you are talking about. Ignore list for you.

[Logan13]

What post are you reading? Those thing you are choosing to ignore happened and it's the reason the Iranians have grievences. So you think the Saddams chemical attacks are propaganda? Tell that the dead and injured kurds and iranian civilians and troops. This happened and the US still backed Saddam while it's was happening. Forward two decades latter, the white house, politicians, and pundits used this incidents and other like it as excuses to invade Iraq. This is an issue I think the world could careless about if wasn't for the US and Britain using the same accusation they used on Iraq. I guess their new European allies in this accusation like looking like fools. Please point out my bias.

here's a nice read on the Iran-Iraq War

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_iraq_war

Notice the "roll-eyes" next to my post. If the US had not backed Iraq, your stance today would be that Saddam gasing the Iranians was just propaganda. Insert the US or Israel into any conflict and you side with the opposing force.

[Logan13]

A bad leader is a bad leader irregardless of the system government. Britain illegally invaded Iraq along with the US, Australia and their allies. France, Russia, China, and the rest of the security council voted to legitimize the occupying powers. Why should they be trusted on Iran just because their democratic governments? The same leaders who invaded Iraq are still in power and are making the same accusation about Iran.

Why would Iran want to buy uranium from other countries? I think they have large deposits of uranium. The same problem exist no matter what country in doing the enriching.

I don't think the Iranian president is crazy. I think that's just a bunch fear mongering and propaganda. It similar to how democrats are always saying bush is dumb, an idiot etc.

According to what law was this illegal? Your opinion that it is illegal does not make it so. I have now replied to 4 of your posts in this thread and feel as though I have lost a few IQ points for having done so. Luckily, I have a shit load of them to start with.

[Logan13]

MAD would work with Iran just like it worked with the Soviet Union and other nuclear countries. The only way for invasion of the Iran to occur is if the media demonize them like we did Iraq. The same parties (with a few tag alones) the led to the Iraq war and the ones making noise about Iran's nuclear program.

I don't think the Ayatollah is opposed to the West. I think the previous Iranian president made overatures like renewing diplomatic relations with the US (that can only be done with premission of the Ayatollah) in 2003 but the white house brushed it aside.

I don't think the world cares about Iran's nuclear program. I only see a few western nations making a big deal out of nothing. The rest of the world is concerned about real issues like AIDS, TB, maleria, clean water, starvation, overpopulation, energy resources, etc. This wouln't be a problem if it wasn't for fear mongering by the same peoples who invaded the Iraq war or just looked the other way.

I don't think there is anything stupid about Iran motives. Iran needs nuclear technology to power the country and this will allow it to sell more oil. Iran also probably wants nuclear weapons. They saw how Iraq capitulated to weapns inspections and still got invaded. But sees how North Korea does have them and how the west now wants dialogue. We can also see there hasn't been a direct wars between nuclear powers.

"I don't think" --- this is your problem peepee.

[juiceboxxx]

lol @ logan and his pretty little titles

[Phreak101]

Again I see the "wipe Israel" comment as just political pandering. I'll look for Israeli comments about arabs, muslims, and Iranians and post some that a find. All in all I just see these comments as pandering to there respectives bases. The issue is political one, not religious.

Iran would never Hezballah or any group a nuclear weapon. Hezballah is not part of the Iranian government and I don't see any government in the world that would do something so stupid. Nukes are used as deterants and once there used the deterance is over. Don't forget that Israel has over 200 nukes. It could turn Iran into a parking lot if it ever tried to use a nuke on them via a proxy group.

The US sent Israel weapons it used to bomb Lebanese civilians. I think this is in violation of a US arms export law (can't think of the name).

Would you say that the US and British governments intentions are to invade Iran? There definitely using the Iraq playbook all over again.

That's the whole point of why we don't want Iran having nukes. The terrorist that uses the nuke supplied by Iran will not be able to be identified nor will he be represented by one single nation. He could be from Jordan, Syria, Iraq, Iran, Egypt, etc.

Iran is the only country right now that, if allowed nukes, will be able to distibute them and actually have them used tactically without having to claim responsibility for using them.

Like Johan said, show soem goodwill, show some TRUST, and then we'll talk...

[Logan13]

lol @ logan and his pretty little titles

I'll keep my pretty little titles, you keep your pretty little titty rings...........

[kdawg21]

Ok they don't have Enrichment facilities, so what, its not like they can't buy the stuff. I can come up with a short list of countries that would more than likely be willing to sell weapons grade uranium for the right price...... fyi the list is topped by Commerade... errr I mean Vladimir Putin and the USSR ooops... I mean Russia.

[collar]

i feel insults might be begining lol.
LOCK.

[mcpeepants]

Bullshit. If Hitler were alive today, he would probably be able to go farther than he did back in the 30's and 40's since he would have people like yourself screaming that the world is not being fair to he and Germany. Your head-in-the-sand view of the world would apply to anyone, no matter how blatant the evidence is that they mean to create chaos, IMO.

we know the past and what hitler would do. this analogy can't work period.