NO evidence Iran has a nuclear weapon program!!

[juiceboxxx]

Yes the video is from last yr sad but very true words.


"Former UN arms inspector and former US Marine Intelligence officer says there is no evidence Iran has a nuclear weapons program "

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlI_kcd8C0E

[IronFreakX]

the video is from last yr

Yeah, they could've started building stuff for weapons.....They could be doing it in facilities not know to the UN...right??

[Kärnfysikern]

Yeah, they could've started building stuff for weapons.....They could be doing it in facilities not know to the UN...right??

a place to build the acctual weapon doesnt have to be big. But the place to produce the enrichened uranium is not something you stash into the garage so they would probably not be able to hide it.

[IronFreakX]

a place to build the acctual weapon doesnt have to be big. But the place to produce the enrichened uranium is not something you stash into the garage so they would probably not be able to hide it.

I got one right here in my garage.....

But how diff is the actuall thing?? couldnt they hide the weapon inside a high radiation/gieiger reading are so it wouldnt show up as wierd/bizzare/odd???

[Kärnfysikern]

I got one right here in my garage.....

But how diff is the actuall thing?? couldnt they hide the weapon inside a high radiation/gieiger reading are so it wouldnt show up as wierd/bizzare/odd???

Hiding a acctual nuclear weapon isnt any harder than hiding any other weapon as far as I know...

But if they dont have the facilities to enrichen uranium and not the reactors to produce plutonium they wont have any weapon to hide.

[IronFreakX]

Hiding a acctual nuclear weapon isnt any harder than hiding any other weapon as far as I know...

But if they dont have the facilities to enrichen uranium and not the reactors to produce plutonium they wont have any weapon to hide.

My bad with words..Im drunk and high.....couldnt they have the facility to enrich uranium and all that hidden within a facility masked as a nuclear energy plant?? underground or within the facility??

That's what I meant, plus man that guy is a wacko and I wouldnt take chances with him, this is not like Sadam which we put in power to have a reason to go there.....Id atleast consider allowing UN inspectors going in NOW and checking other suspected areas UNEXPECTDLY since they have nothing to hide.

If not allowed..a few recon teams should do

[Kärnfysikern]

My bad with words..Im drunk and high.....couldnt they have the facility to enrich uranium and all that hidden within a facility masked as a nuclear energy plant?? underground or within the facility??

That's what I meant, plus man that guy is a wacko and I wouldnt take chances with him, this is not like Sadam which we put in power to have a reason to go there.....Id atleast consider allowing UN inspectors going in NOW and checking other suspected areas UNEXPECTDLY since they have nothing to hide.

If not allowed..a few recon teams should do

Well the enrichment plants are huge.
Here is a pic of a french enrichment plant(beyond the cooling towers)


I think it would be hard to disguse them. Nothing is impossible but seems unlikely.

Now sober up muther****er

[collar]

nope you cant hide it.

[breacherup]

Scott Ritter,the man in the video, is a former UN Weapons Inspector, who in 2001 was arrested for communicating with a 16 year old girl over the internet and arranging to meet her for sex. Unfortunatley for Ritter the "girl" he was chatting with was a cop. For me this puts his credibility in question.

[alphaman]

Wake up people! Here are his two main focuses nowadays!

September 16, 2005
Iran Willing to Offer Nuclear Aid to Islamic States
Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said yesterday that his country is willing to share nuclear technology with other Islamic nations, Agence France-Presse reported.

"The Islamic Republic in no way seeks weapons of mass destruction and with respect to the needs of Islamic nations for nuclear technology, we are ready to transfer nuclear knowledge to these countries," the IRNA news agency quoted

Ahmadinejad as saying.Ahmadinejad made the offer during talks with Turkish Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan while at the U.N. summit in New York, according to AFP

http://www.atomicarchive.com/weblog/..._archive.shtml

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has openly called for Israel to be wiped off the map.

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exer...CE0E9957EA.htm




You think he's gonna come right out and say, " I'm making nuclear bombs to wipe Israel off the map." -- if that's what he wanted to do.......

Don't be gullible.

[Kärnfysikern]

Im more interested in what Ali Khamenei wants. Isnt he the one in charge over the armed forces while Ahmadinejad is a semi puppet?

[Banned2]

There is nothing wrong with sharing nuclear technology, that is what the anglo-saxons did. Its a nations right to progress, its a nations right to acquire nuclear technology.

[Banned2]

Im more interested in what Ali Khamenei wants. Isnt he the one in charge over the armed forces while Ahmadinejad is a semi puppet?

In the Shia sect, the Ayatollah is like a Pope, so the followers of Khamenei does whatever he wants, including Ahmadinejad.

[IronFreakX]

In the Shia sect, the Ayatollah is like a Pope, so the followers of Khamenei does whatever he wants, including Ahmadinejad.

So the whole country is run by a religious nut basically??

And that Ladies and Gentlemen is why we should intervene, when was the last time they allowed people in the mental ward to have access to guns??

What's any different with this thing??

Thats one mental looney and that would equal one big gun....still think its ok??

[alphaman]

In the Shia sect, the Ayatollah is like a Pope, so the followers of Khamenei does whatever he wants, including Ahmadinejad.

So in other words, whatever the Ayatollah wants is reflected by whatever Ahmadinejad says?

[tiger909]

So in other words, whatever the Ayatollah wants is reflected by whatever Ahmadinejad says?

nope

[collar]

nope.

[alphaman]

nope

Would you mind elaborating on that?

[Logan13]

Would you mind elaborating on that?

yes, he would.

[singern]

So in other words, whatever the Ayatollah wants is reflected by whatever Ahmadinejad says?

Iran is not an open democratic, or free society in any respect. The Ayatollah holds all the power and all the cards. Controlling every aspect of social, political, and security matters, as did the now deceased Taliban.
It is no secret that the midget Ahmadinejad who is a small man in every sense of the word is completely and deliberately nothing more than a figure head designed to show the world that Iran has an elected leader.
It is and has always been the wish of this religious extremist regime to destroy Israel and spread its flavor of radical Islam across the mideast and of course the globe.

So not to break from the topic, I will say yes of course they are after "the Bomb" and will use it the very second it is complete. Iran is a threat to be taken seriously and should be dealt with seriously.

[juiceboxxx]

hmmm....................

[singern]

From todays paper

TEHRAN, Iran — Iran's top nuclear negotiator said Sunday that Iran will expand — not suspend — uranium enrichment activities, in defiance of a U.N. Security Council resolution setting an August 31 deadline for the Islamic Republic to halt nuclear activities or face the threat of political and economic sanctions.


IMO: If truly for domestic energy purposes, whats the hurry? Iran has more oil then any one nation could use in a lifetime.
So why would Iran intentionally generate tension across the globe? Could it be they have a mission? could it be they have an agenda? The answer is Yes, and we all know what it is.

[juiceboxxx]

From todays paper

TEHRAN, Iran — Iran's top nuclear negotiator said Sunday that Iran will expand — not suspend — uranium enrichment activities, in defiance of a U.N. Security Council resolution setting an August 31 deadline for the Islamic Republic to halt nuclear activities or face the threat of political and economic sanctions.


IMO: If truly for domestic energy purposes, whats the hurry? Iran has more oil then any one nation could use in a lifetime.
So why would Iran intentionally generate tension across the globe? Could it be they have a mission? could it be they have an agenda? The answer is Yes, and we all know what it is.

good post, I agree and we shall wait and see

[tiger909]

From todays paper

TEHRAN, Iran — Iran's top nuclear negotiator said Sunday that Iran will expand — not suspend — uranium enrichment activities, in defiance of a U.N. Security Council resolution setting an August 31 deadline for the Islamic Republic to halt nuclear activities or face the threat of political and economic sanctions.


IMO: If truly for domestic energy purposes, whats the hurry? Iran has more oil then any one nation could use in a lifetime.
So why would Iran intentionally generate tension across the globe? Could it be they have a mission? could it be they have an agenda? The answer is Yes, and we all know what it is.

why shouldnt they do it now? the tension u speak of is artificial tension created by bush, extremely similar to the tension on iraq in 2003...
iran is a soveriegn nation that has never done anything to harm another country...not since the revolution at least

[juiceboxxx]

Sometimes.

But Ahmadinejad is trusted by Khamenei.

Infact Khamenei actually wanted Sheikh Nasrallah to be the leader of Hizbollah, he is a smart guy, and knows what he is doing. Look how well Nasrallah turned out.

Obviously Khamenei has the most power in Iran. He deserves it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Aqa_PvRfU4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNP49DhrkoU

lol I Love you you are very educated on the middle east but people dont want to hear the truth! they want to hear what they believe and what mr.bush tells them

mehh....sooner or later they will find out for them selves

btw what a hot stud in your avy

[singern]

why shouldnt they do it now? the tension u speak of is artificial tension created by bush, extremely similar to the tension on iraq in 2003...
iran is a soveriegn nation that has never done anything to harm another country...not since the revolution at least

You are correct they are a sovereign nation, It is exactly because they are supporters of international terror groups that we must ask these questions, and why we must take this issue so very seriously, So I will ask again,

What is the hurry?
why create and feed this atmosphere of tension?
Why does a country with so much oil need Nuclear energy so badly?
Why does a country with so many refineries and oil based electric generating facilities need Nuclear energy so badly?
Why the suspicious, illogical, and belligerent need to defy the international community on every aspect of negotiations?
What is the hurry?

When I look at all these questions and add the continuous call from Irans religious and political leaders to destroy Israel and kill all Jews I have to come to the conclusion that I have, and so it seems has the rest of the world

[alphaman]

Notice that anytime Caus responds to the nuclear thing that it's always a generic statement like "every nation has the right to have a nuclear energy program". He'll give a long elaborate explantion on the relationship between the Ayatollah and Ahmadinejad, but never any type of explaination or elaborate defense of the idea that it's really all about nuclear energy. Caus knows what's going on.

One thing I've noticed about him over time is that he's smart in the way that he picks the right arguments. He stays away from the ones he knows will get him into trouble.

[alphaman]

You are correct they are a sovereign nation, But because they are the number one supporter of international terror groups I will ask again,

What is the hurry?
why create and feed this atmosphere of tension?
Why does a country with so much oil need Nuclear energy so badly?
Why does a country with so many refineries and oil based electric generating facilities need Nuclear energy so badly?
Why the suspicious, illogical, and belligerent need to defy the international community on every aspect of negotiations?
What is the hurry?

When I look at all these questions and add the continuous call from Irans religious and political leaders to destroy Israel and kill all Jews I have to come to the conclusion that I have, and so it seems has the rest of the world

The writing is on the wall but no one wants to read it. Or they know what it says and they just want fool everyone into believing it's not there.

[singern]

The writing is on the wall but no one wants to read it. Or they know what it says and they just want fool everyone into believing it's not there.

Oil.
Plain and simple. The world is so busy kissing rear to get oil, and so here we are.

[Teabagger]

We are nearly in the same position as the world was in the 1930's. A few countries, seduced and led by megalomanic fascist racist dictators re-arming, sabre rattleing, and making a mockery of any legit form of international negoitian. In the 1930's England, France, USA, Belgium, etc...had the military might to stop Italy, Germany, and Japan in its tracks..but not the WILL.

Same today...USA, England, France, Germany, Italy, Spain, Canada, etc...have the force to remove the threat of a nuclear exchange somewhere in the not so distance future...but not the WILL. Iran, Syria, and company will have to be dealt with by force at some time.....the question is...does the world wait until this facist racist dictatorships gain nuclear weapons....or does it act now. If not acted on soon, our children, Western and Middle Eastern, will face trying to live through a nuclear exchange...So the price of appeasement...always brings on even worse destruction than the appeasement sought to avoid in the first place.

[tiger909]

You are correct they are a sovereign nation, It is exactly because they are supporters of international terror groups that we must ask these questions, and why we must take this issue so very seriously, So I will ask again,

What is the hurry?
why create and feed this atmosphere of tension?
Why does a country with so much oil need Nuclear energy so badly?
Why does a country with so many refineries and oil based electric generating facilities need Nuclear energy so badly?
Why the suspicious, illogical, and belligerent need to defy the international community on every aspect of negotiations?
What is the hurry?

When I look at all these questions and add the continuous call from Irans religious and political leaders to destroy Israel and kill all Jews I have to come to the conclusion that I have, and so it seems has the rest of the world

i already answered ur questions... this era is no different than any other period, except the fact that western powers are putting unfounded suspicion upon the iranian regime (a la iraq circa 2003) history always repeats itself

what terror organisation does iran currently support, and have sources please

(ps, hezb is a militia, not a terror group)

[IronFreakX]

Iran will not be touched, its army is to powerful, including 10 million Basji militia forces.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basiji

If Hizbollah is giving the "strongest army in the middle east" so much trouble, infact in terms of the ground battle, Hizbollah is defeating Israel, imagine if Israel touches Iran. They know better.

Sanctions are as far as it will go, limited sanctions. Iran knows it cannot be touched.

ROFL......


Ok let's look at the facts here!!!.

The typical member will be male and the average age can range from 12 on up

So they have 12 yr olds fighting, and then they say Israel is killing CHILDREN PAY ATTN TO THIS BS.


If they choose to recruit their children to fight, then seriously...FVCK EM.....If you dont shoot, you die....if you shoot they say your a blood thristy terrorist...JUST REMEMBER WHO IS CAUSING THIS!!!!!

Following the UNHCR "tens of thousands of Basijis had been ordered to prowl about every factory, office and school to ensure that everyone adhered to the Islamic code. [...] After the summer 1992 riots Basij units were revived, rearmed and sent out into the streets to help enforce Islamic law. The Basijis are reportedly under the control of local mosques. It was further said that the Basijis set up checkpoints around the cities and stopped cars to sniff their occupant's breath for alcohol and check for women wearing make-up or travelling with a man not their close relative or husband. It was reported that the Law of Judicial Support for the Basijis, published in the Official Gazette No. 13946 of 8.10.1371 (December 1992), provided no redress against arbitrary detention by the Basijis." Iran's permanent representative to the U.N. denied these charges.[4]

The people of iran will not tolerate this BS, they will welcome US, you know why?? because they are humans, and humans are meant to have fun not sit all day and do the shit you think they have to do.

[collar]

they get into training i think he means.
not get into combat at 12.

but both ways thats one thing i dont agree with .
but bush is not any better calls young men for combat and sends them away.
unfortantly some dont make it back ..

see really in war and politics there will never be a winner they all break rules.

[Kärnfysikern]

You are correct they are a sovereign nation, It is exactly because they are supporters of international terror groups that we must ask these questions, and why we must take this issue so very seriously, So I will ask again,

What is the hurry?
why create and feed this atmosphere of tension?
Why does a country with so much oil need Nuclear energy so badly?
Why does a country with so many refineries and oil based electric generating facilities need Nuclear energy so badly?
Why the suspicious, illogical, and belligerent need to defy the international community on every aspect of negotiations?
What is the hurry?

When I look at all these questions and add the continuous call from Irans religious and political leaders to destroy Israel and kill all Jews I have to come to the conclusion that I have, and so it seems has the rest of the world

One possible explanation for 3 and 4 would be that they are smart enough to know oil is running out. Maby the irani oi wells are running drier than they had expected. I dont belive this myself though but it is semi plausible. It wouldnt explain the rush though or the though guy act.

I am a strong suporter for countries developing nuclear power(not weapons, no one should have nuclear weapons) when they are able to. But Irans behavior is just not right, doesnt add up to peacefull purposes.

But Iran is right in one thing. As far as anyone know they are acting in accordance to the NPT and they are beeing treated differently than other nations would have been in the same situation like Brazil for instance. They are not lying when they claim the world is discriminating them in this case. The big question is. Are we right in doing so?

[collar]

One possible explanation for 3 and 4 would be that they are smart enough to know oil is running out. Maby the irani oi wells are running drier than they had expected. I dont belive this myself though but it is semi plausible. It wouldnt explain the rush though or the though guy act.

I am a strong suporter for countries developing nuclear power(not weapons, no one should have nuclear weapons) when they are able to. But Irans behavior is just not right, doesnt add up to peacefull purposes.

But Iran is right in one thing. As far as anyone know they are acting in accordance to the NPT and they are beeing treated differently than other nations would have been in the same situation like Brazil for instance. They are not lying when they claim the world is discriminating them in this case. The big question is. Are we right in doing so?

to your question i dont believe we are right that is just my opinion.
korea has nuc bombs they test them and all.
not much been done there.
iran dont even have nuc weapons and some are having cry bout it.

[singern]

i already answered ur questions...

Where? I havent seen a single one.

[singern]

One possible explanation for 3 and 4 would be that they are smart enough to know oil is running out. Maby the irani oi wells are running drier than they had expected. I dont belive this myself though but it is semi plausible. It wouldnt explain the rush though or the though guy act.

I am a strong suporter for countries developing nuclear power(not weapons, no one should have nuclear weapons) when they are able to. But Irans behavior is just not right, doesnt add up to peacefull purposes.

But Iran is right in one thing. As far as anyone know they are acting in accordance to the NPT and they are beeing treated differently than other nations would have been in the same situation like Brazil for instance. They are not lying when they claim the world is discriminating them in this case. The big question is. Are we right in doing so?

According to any internet resource I have seen, Iran has plenty of oil, and is in no way running out, and in fact has much more oil than previously thought.

http://www.irna.ir/en/news/view/menu...1568192040.htm

http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/cabs/Iran/Oil.html

http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/cabs/pgulf.html


On the subject of discrimination, I agree with you and others that every nation has the right to nuclear energy, however when that nations political and religious leaders are continuously calling for the destruction of another nation and the death of its citizens, then they lose all support, and right to obtain such a dangerous power.
Interestingly enough the only ones who are in support of Iran obtaining nuke power, are the ones who coincidentally hate Israel and the USA.

1+1 always = 2

[RA]

#1 Iran is not doing it for energy needs. They want a bomb.

#2 They dont have refineries. They export crude and import refined oil.

#3 If Iran has nukes..terrorists have nukes..hence it will be stopped.

[Kärnfysikern]

According to any internet resource I have seen, Iran has plenty of oil, and is in no way running out, and in fact has much more oil than previously thought.

http://www.irna.ir/en/news/view/menu...1568192040.htm

http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/cabs/Iran/Oil.html

http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/cabs/pgulf.html

Like I said I dont realy belive thats what they are doing.
But if they want to start preparing for the future now is a good time to get off fossile fuels. Even if they have plenty of oil now they probably wont in another 20-30 years. Changing the energy infrastructur takes time and money. Offcourse the other actions points toward more sinister goals.

On the subject of discrimination, I agree with you and others that every nation has the right to nuclear energy, however when that nations political and religious leaders are continuously calling for the destruction of another nation and the death of its citizens, then they lose all support, and right to obtain such a dangerous power.
Interestingly enough the only ones who are in support of Iran obtaining nuke power, are the ones who coincidentally hate Israel and the USA.

1+1 always = 2

I just wish they would accept the russian deal where russia enrichen the uranium for Iran. If they only wanted energy they would have accepted that. After a couple of years running it like that they would have shown that they can be trusted and negotiations for enrichment could begin again.

[singern]

#1 Iran is not doing it for energy needs. They want a bomb..

Agreed

#2 They dont have refineries. They export crude and import refined oil..

Iran: Monday, April 17 - 2006 at 12:52
The Iranian Oil Ministry is planning the construction of three new refineries for oil and gas condensates, as well as the refurbishing of a number of existing refineries, the Oil Minister, Kazem Vaziri Hamaneh said.

#3 If Iran has nukes..terrorists have nukes..hence it will be stopped.

Agreed