NO evidence Iran has a nuclear weapon program!!

[mcpeepants]

You lack of insight is honestly scary. You obviously have no idea what you are talking about. Ignore list for you.

Are you saying Israel doesn't have nukes and can't defend it's self? Is Hezballah not Lebanese?

[mcpeepants]

According to what law was this illegal? Your opinion that it is illegal does not make it so. I have now replied to 4 of your posts in this thread and feel as though I have lost a few IQ points for having done so. Luckily, I have a shit load of them to start with.

Iraq did not attack or was not about to attack the US, that makes it a war of aggression. This is the stuff the Nazis were tried for. You've responded but haven't brought any evidence.

[mcpeepants]

"I don't think" --- this is your problem peepee.

Reading what I saying would help. So if I didn't say "I don't think", you would fine with what I'm saying? If not, what else do you find wrong and why? Please provide something more than your oppinion.

[Teabagger]

Iraq committed an act of war when Sodomy Hussien sent an assasination squad to kill the the first president Bush...., Iraq commited acts of war the hunderds of times his anti air batteries fired on US warplanes patrolling the "no fly zone" instituted by the UN after the Gulf War....so bugger off.

[mcpeepants]

Notice the "roll-eyes" next to my post. If the US had not backed Iraq, your stance today would be that Saddam gasing the Iranians was just propaganda. Insert the US or Israel into any conflict and you side with the opposing force.

Then I misunderstood your response. Back up your statements.

[mcpeepants]

That's the whole point of why we don't want Iran having nukes. The terrorist that uses the nuke supplied by Iran will not be able to be identified nor will he be represented by one single nation. He could be from Jordan, Syria, Iraq, Iran, Egypt, etc.

Iran is the only country right now that, if allowed nukes, will be able to distibute them and actually have them used tactically without having to claim responsibility for using them.

Like Johan said, show soem goodwill, show some TRUST, and then we'll talk...

Hezballah is not a part of the Iranian government so they would never give them that type of weapon. Nuclear weapons are used for deterant purposes and note the only country to use one offensively was the US. Hezballah has it owns goals and Iran has it's own goals, their not one in same or always agree.

Your adding conditions Iran's not required to do as signator of the NPT. Plus note most of the countries yapping about Iran are the one's the invaded Iraq. Those who cast stones...

[mcpeepants]

Iraq committed an act of war when Sodomy Hussien sent an assasination squad to kill the the first president Bush...., Iraq commited acts of war the hunderds of times his anti air batteries fired on US warplanes patrolling the "no fly zone" instituted by the UN after the Gulf War....so bugger off.

The no fly zone was self imposed btUS, Brits, and France. Show me where the UN instituted it. They were violating Iraqi air space so they have every right to fire back. I need to see more evidence for this assasination attempt but if your saying we were trying to assasinate him you've got to be kidding me.

[Logan13]

Iraq did not attack or was not about to attack the US, that makes it a war of aggression. This is the stuff the Nazis were tried for. You've responded but haven't brought any evidence.

The burden of proof lies with the accuser of a crime, and your opinion does not constitute proof.

[Logan13]

Hezballah is not a part of the Iranian government so they would never give them that type of weapon. Nuclear weapons are used for deterant purposes and note the only country to use one offensively was the US. Hezballah has it owns goals and Iran has it's own goals, their not one in same or always agree.

Your adding conditions Iran's not required to do as signator of the NPT. Plus note most of the countries yapping about Iran are the one's the invaded Iraq. Those who cast stones...

So it is your belief that Iran does not give rockets and other artillery to artillery? They have given them everything else that they have access to, why not nukes?

[mcpeepants]

The burden of proof lies with the accuser of a crime, and your opinion does not constitute proof.

But to refute someone you have to provide evidence on why that person is wrong

[mcpeepants]

So it is your belief that Iran does not give rockets and other artillery to artillery? They have given them everything else that they have access to, why not nukes?

I know Iran provides Hezballah with money and weapons but the difference between nuclear weapons and rocket launcher is huge. and since hezballah and iran aren't one in the same and have different agendas, hezballah could possibly turn against iran.

[juiceboxxx]

I'll keep my pretty little titles, you keep your pretty little titty rings...........

dont hate on the nipple rings cuz they attract american women

taking your gurls B

[Teabagger]

You can have all the fat American girls you want.........we know what Arabs and "persians" like.

[Phreak101]

Hezballah is not a part of the Iranian government so they would never give them that type of weapon. Nuclear weapons are used for deterant purposes and note the only country to use one offensively was the US. Hezballah has it owns goals and Iran has it's own goals, their not one in same or always agree.

Your adding conditions Iran's not required to do as signator of the NPT. Plus note most of the countries yapping about Iran are the one's the invaded Iraq. Those who cast stones...

It doesn't have to be Hez...it could be anyu terrorist group looking to make an impact on US or EU interests.

Nukes are a deterrent for POWERFUL countries. Nukes are an opportunity for fledgling ones....

[Logan13]

It doesn't have to be Hez...it could be anyu terrorist group looking to make an impact on US or EU interests.

Nukes are a deterrent for POWERFUL countries. Nukes are an opportunity for fledgling ones....

well put.

[Logan13]

I know Iran provides Hezballah with money and weapons but the difference between nuclear weapons and rocket launcher is huge. and since hezballah and iran aren't one in the same and have different agendas, hezballah could possibly turn against iran.

If they have different agendas, than why does Iran give them money and cash? That, like much of your reasoning, makes no sense.........

[Logan13]

dont hate on the nipple rings cuz they attract american women

taking your gurls B

some girls like scat as well................

[Logan13]

dont hate on the nipple rings cuz they attract american women

taking your gurls B

some girls like scat as well....do you cater to them also?

[mcpeepants]

It doesn't have to be Hez...it could be anyu terrorist group looking to make an impact on US or EU interests.

Nukes are a deterrent for POWERFUL countries. Nukes are an opportunity for fledgling ones....

Doesn't matter what the group is. If it not part of the Iranian government, there going to give them such a weapon. Nukes are good deterance for any country so long as their ambigious about the strike capabilities.

[mcpeepants]

If they have different agendas, than why does Iran give them money and cash? That, like much of your reasoning, makes no sense.........

the same reason the US supported bin laden and other jihadist in their war against the soviets in afghanistan. you can have different agendas and still work together.

[mcpeepants]

If they have different agendas, than why does Iran give them money and cash? That, like much of your reasoning, makes no sense.........

the same reason the US supported bin laden and other jihadist in their war against the soviets in afghanistan. you can have different agendas and still work together.

[Phreak101]

Doesn't matter what the group is. If it not part of the Iranian government, there going to give them such a weapon. Nukes are good deterance for any country so long as their ambigious about the strike capabilities.

Your still assuming that Iran and the countries around it are individual nations without a common bond. The majority of these countries all share the same religious zealot fundamentalist theocracy. If Iran can further the roots of Islam by giving Al Qaida a nuke, why wouldn't they?? After all, religion is much more powerful politics than government in the middle east.

[persiantricep]

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[collar]

thanks for those clips.

[Phreak101]

Welcome! Ignore any racial biases here, I for one have my opinions but know that innocent people are on both sides, it's all a game of politics. Most around here feel the same, some do not.

Happy posting!

[humungus88]

If there is any hate at all in the Middle East towards the U.S, it is because of the great amount of support that the U.S has for Israel

Let the numbers speak for themselves.



http://www.wrmea.org/us_aid_to_israel/index.htm

[persiantricep]

Let the numbers speak for themselves.



http://www.wrmea.org/us_aid_to_israel/index.htm

WOW that is amazing...I knew the U.S helps Israel a great amount, but those numbers are amazing...Each Jew gets more financial benefits from The U.S then a lot of Hard Working Americans make per year...that’s just sad.

Thank you so so much for posting that info...

[humungus88]

WOW that is amazing...I knew the U.S helps Israel a great amount, but those numbers are amazing...Each Jew gets more financial benefits from The U.S then a lot of Hard Working Americans make per year...that’s just sad.

Thank you so so much for posting that info...

Yeah, and to think of all the American parents who struggle to put their kids through college, or food on the table, those figures make me want to vommit.

$14,630 per Israeli!!....RALPH!!!

[mcpeepants]

Your still assuming that Iran and the countries around it are individual nations without a common bond. The majority of these countries all share the same religious zealot fundamentalist theocracy. If Iran can further the roots of Islam by giving Al Qaida a nuke, why wouldn't they?? After all, religion is much more powerful politics than government in the middle east.

How would giving a nuke further the cause of islam? most of these countries are sunni arabs while iran is non arab shia. many of them are allies with the united states. there also sunni-shia tension, particulary in Iraq and countries with sizable shia minority. iran and al qaieda are not allies, there enemies. religious overtonnes are being added to the conflict by both sides but it is not the real issue. solve the political grievences diplomatically and you'll marginalize extremists. i agree with you on your last sentence.

[breacherup]

Let the numbers speak for themselves.



http://www.wrmea.org/us_aid_to_israel/index.htm

according to this site that you have listed the cost of aid to Israel is about 23000.00 per US citizen according to the national debt clock the entire US National Debt is about 28000.00 per US citizen, so I have to question wrmea.org's figures

[humungus88]

according to this site that you have listed the cost of aid to Israel is about 23000.00 per US citizen according to the national debt clock the entire US National Debt is about 28000.00 per US citizen, so I have to question wrmea.org's figures

What is there to question? That aid is a total since 1949.

[persiantricep]

What is there to question? That aid is a total since 1949.

I agree with you on that, its a total since 1949...Also the numbers are only up till 1997...A huge huge # of funds have been given to Israel in the Past 6 years of the Bush administration. So the numbers now are actually about 20% higher than what it says...crazy stuff.

[humungus88]

I agree with you on that, its a total since 1949...Also the numbers are only up till 1997...A huge huge # of funds have been given to Israel in the Past 6 years of the Bush administration. So the numbers now are actually about 20% higher than what it says...crazy stuff.

Here is an interesting read for you.

http://www.cactus48.com/truth.html

[persiantricep]

Here is an interesting read for you.

http://www.cactus48.com/truth.html

I just got done with the 1st chapter...looks very interesting. I will definitely finish reading it...thanks for all the great links...

[singern]

Here is an interesting read for you.

http://www.cactus48.com/truth.html

Oh please, what the hell does that have to do with anything, and how is it in any way a realistic representation of truth on the ground? here are some reciprocating ideologies. Have a read...

http://www.shoebat.com/

http://www.arabsforisrael.com/index.html

http://www.noniedarwish.com/articles...zeamerica.html

http://www.standwithus.com/news_post.asp?NPI=944

I can bring many more if theres gonna be a pissing contest. How about we keep the discussion at hand to the topic.

[Phreak101]

Oh please, what the hell does that have to do with anything, and how is it in any way a realistic representation of truth on the ground? here are some reciprocating ideologies. Have a read...

http://www.shoebat.com/

http://www.arabsforisrael.com/index.html

http://www.noniedarwish.com/articles...zeamerica.html

http://www.standwithus.com/news_post.asp?NPI=944

I can bring many more if theres gonna be a pissing contest. How about we keep the discussion at hand to the topic.

Nice!

[Kärnfysikern]

MAD would work with Iran just like it worked with the Soviet Union and other nuclear countries.

Depends on what religious nut happens to be in power. MAD doesnt work against does that does not fear death and maby even embrace death for a (in there sic mind) bigger cause
I dont want any unstable and religious country to have nukes. We already have pakistan and thats enough.

The only way for invasion of the Iran to occur is if the media demonize them like we did Iraq. The same parties (with a few tag alones) the led to the Iraq war and the ones making noise about Iran's nuclear program.

Well Iran could avoid it all togheter by ending the enrichment and cooperate with Russia and the EU. Problem solved.

I don't think the Ayatollah is opposed to the West. I think the previous Iranian president made overatures like renewing diplomatic relations with the US (that can only be done with premission of the Ayatollah) in 2003 but the white house brushed it aside.

What about the next Ayatholla or the one after that? Thats the problem with a dictatorship. In soviet atleast no truly insane person could get in controll. With Stalin as a exception offcourse but not even he was crazy enough to throw around nukes.

I don't think the world cares about Iran's nuclear program. I only see a few western nations making a big deal out of nothing. The rest of the world is concerned about real issues like AIDS, TB, maleria, clean water, starvation, overpopulation, energy resources, etc. This wouln't be a problem if it wasn't for fear mongering by the same peoples who invaded the Iraq war or just looked the other way.

Iran has made it into the big deal it is today. They could have ended all suscpicions by aggreing to EU offers and stop the enrichment. They would have lost nothing by doing so and gained alot of technology from europe and they would have gotten the nuclear power they want.

I don't think there is anything stupid about Iran motives. Iran needs nuclear technology to power the country and this will allow it to sell more oil. Iran also probably wants nuclear weapons. They saw how Iraq capitulated to weapns inspections and still got invaded. But sees how North Korea does have them and how the west now wants dialogue. We can also see there hasn't been a direct wars between nuclear powers.

I am a big fan of nuclear power. I want nuclear power to replace as much fossile fuels as possible in all countries that can handle it safetly. Its the only way we are going to get through the coming energy crisis.

But I am totaly opposed to nuclear weapons and imo NO country should have them. But the countries that today have nuclear weapons are atleast semi sane(except N.korea). USA, Russia, UK, France, India, Israel, pakistan(no clue about how stable pakistan is) wont drop a nuke to start armageddon or anything silly like that atleast.
Since nuclear weapons are so dangerous it warants these kind of responses. No one cares about Brazil building enrichment plants because we know they dont want or need nukes. But the reaction towards Iran is warranted because of its agressive approach to the rest of the world. I dont se any reason why Iran should be trusted.
A country that doesnt even treat there women as equals and that allowes stonings are not mature enough for nuclear weapons.

[mcpeepants]

Depends on what religious nut happens to be in power. MAD doesnt work against does that does not fear death and maby even embrace death for a (in there sic mind) bigger cause
I dont want any unstable and religious country to have nukes. We already have pakistan and thats enough.

Your just making assumptions here. This isn't a government of suicide bombers. If this were the case, they would have already shot missles at US troops in the region and Israel. MAD seems to be working with Pakistan and India since they haven't gotten into a war since Pakistan got nukes.

Well Iran could avoid it all togheter by ending the enrichment and cooperate with Russia and the EU. Problem solved.

If the media and governments don't demonize there would be a problem.

What about the next Ayatholla or the one after that? Thats the problem with a dictatorship. In soviet atleast no truly insane person could get in controll. With Stalin as a exception offcourse but not even he was crazy enough to throw around nukes.

That's now how the media and the government was describing the soviets and MAD still worked with them.

Iran has made it into the big deal it is today. They could have ended all suscpicions by aggreing to EU offers and stop the enrichment. They would have lost nothing by doing so and gained alot of technology from europe and they would have gotten the nuclear power they want.

There would be a problem if we wouldn't add pre-conditions to the NPT and governments and the media would actually stopped getting fooled by the same Iraq playbook.

But I am totaly opposed to nuclear weapons and imo NO country should have them. But the countries that today have nuclear weapons are atleast semi sane(except N.korea). USA, Russia, UK, France, India, Israel, pakistan(no clue about how stable pakistan is) wont drop a nuke to start armageddon or anything silly like that atleast.
Since nuclear weapons are so dangerous it warants these kind of responses. No one cares about Brazil building enrichment plants because we know they dont want or need nukes. But the reaction towards Iran is warranted because of its agressive approach to the rest of the world. I dont se any reason why Iran should be trusted.
A country that doesnt even treat there women as equals and that allowes stonings are not mature enough for nuclear weapons.

How do we no these countries wouldn't? I mean we got pretty close with the cuban missle crisis. Who says Brazil doesn't want nukes? Compare Iran's aggressive posturing to US, Britain, Australia etc invading of countries. I think the latter is worse. Your saying that Iran can't be trusted, why do think the US, Britain, Australia etc should be trusted after they invaded a Iraq? My main beef with Iran and other countries in the middle east is human rights violations and peoples rights. The way Iran's treats women isn't good but it's treats them better Saudi Arabia or Kuwait and we're still allies with them. Plus we just overthrew one of the most secular countries in the middle east, where women were treated better than most other middle eastern countries.

[Phreak101]

Depends on what religious nut happens to be in power. MAD doesnt work against does that does not fear death and maby even embrace death for a (in there sic mind) bigger cause
I dont want any unstable and religious country to have nukes. We already have pakistan and thats enough.



Well Iran could avoid it all togheter by ending the enrichment and cooperate with Russia and the EU. Problem solved.



What about the next Ayatholla or the one after that? Thats the problem with a dictatorship. In soviet atleast no truly insane person could get in controll. With Stalin as a exception offcourse but not even he was crazy enough to throw around nukes.



Iran has made it into the big deal it is today. They could have ended all suscpicions by aggreing to EU offers and stop the enrichment. They would have lost nothing by doing so and gained alot of technology from europe and they would have gotten the nuclear power they want.



I am a big fan of nuclear power. I want nuclear power to replace as much fossile fuels as possible in all countries that can handle it safetly. Its the only way we are going to get through the coming energy crisis.

But I am totaly opposed to nuclear weapons and imo NO country should have them. But the countries that today have nuclear weapons are atleast semi sane(except N.korea). USA, Russia, UK, France, India, Israel, pakistan(no clue about how stable pakistan is) wont drop a nuke to start armageddon or anything silly like that atleast.
Since nuclear weapons are so dangerous it warants these kind of responses. No one cares about Brazil building enrichment plants because we know they dont want or need nukes. But the reaction towards Iran is warranted because of its agressive approach to the rest of the world. I dont se any reason why Iran should be trusted.
A country that doesnt even treat there women as equals and that allowes stonings are not mature enough for nuclear weapons.

I could not agree more my friend. Organized religion has been THE biggest hinderance of social and scientific progress in the history of mankind. To assume that a theocracy, and an angry one at that, basing it's laws and political motives on circumstances such as the ones mentioned by Johan above, is just foolish thinking. ations such as Iran have clearly not demonstrated being able to handle both the power or responsibility that comes with something like nuclear capability, because the reasoning behind their motives is religion!

I for one do not want to see hard earned and extremly powerful science handed to people who, if they had their way, would still execute half the people on this board for rebuffing backwater notions of God with that exact same science.

Earn some trust, show some clear cut balance between your fanaticism and your reason, and then, we will talk.

[Kärnfysikern]

Your just making assumptions here. This isn't a government of suicide bombers. If this were the case, they would have already shot missles at US troops in the region and Israel. MAD seems to be working with Pakistan and India since they haven't gotten into a war since Pakistan got nukes.

They are still a dictatorship and you can never be sure about the mindset of a dictator.

I cant comment on pakistan since I know very little about them. But they are atleast not a religious dictatorship.

If the media and governments don't demonize there would be a problem.

The problem is there because Iran refuses to show they are trusthworty. Trust isnt given it is earned. By acting like bigshots that doesnt need to listen to anyone they lose the worlds trust. Just like america has lost the worlds trust.
The media spins things to much I agree with that. But when dealing with the possibility of nuclear weapons no concern is to great.

At this point it doesnt matter if its fair. At this point Iran NEEDS to show they are mature enough to let go of the big inflated ego and do what the world wants them to do. I realy do not understand Irans objections since they have everything to gain and nothing to lose.

That's now how the media and the government was describing the soviets and MAD still worked with them.

Well I was a kid when the cold war ended. But anyone back then beliving the russians where not intelligent and resonable obviously lacked both those things themself...

There would be a problem if we wouldn't add pre-conditions to the NPT and governments and the media would actually stopped getting fooled by the same Iraq playbook.

Well the IAEA must have had some reason to the suspicious about Iran. Finding enrichened uranium sure didnt help and didnt Iran have dealings with that paki nuclear scientist that wanted to spread paki knoweledge on nuclear weapons? IAEA isnt discriminating against Iran. They are obviously concerned.

The NPT would be followed precisecly in a perfect world. This isnt a perfect world and Iran needs to show it is resonable and trustworthy. So far Iran has proved its unresonable and hostile.

How do we no these countries wouldn't? I mean we got pretty close with the cuban missle crisis. Who says Brazil doesn't want nukes? Compare Iran's aggressive posturing to US, Britain, Australia etc invading of countries. I think the latter is worse. Your saying that Iran can't be trusted, why do think the US, Britain, Australia etc should be trusted after they invaded a Iraq? My main beef with Iran and other countries in the middle east is human rights violations and peoples rights. The way Iran's treats women isn't good but it's treats them better Saudi Arabia or Kuwait and we're still allies with them. Plus we just overthrew one of the most secular countries in the middle east, where women were treated better than most other middle eastern countries.

I do not for one second agree with the invasion of Iraq just so you know..

The difference betwen US, UK and Iran is that US has a big mouth but they can back up what they say. Usualy they dont say things that are to horrible though.
Iran on the other hand has a big mouth but not the capacity to back it up yet. If they get nukes who will stop them from doing what they clearly and openly wants to do(eradicate Israel).

US, UK ect never went into Iraq with the purpose of eradicating the country and killing its inhabitants. Iran wants to remove Israel from existance. That is the difference and that is why Iran can not be trusted aslong as those religious ****s rules that country. If Iran was a democracy I would not deny them enrichment plants.

The cuban missile crisis is a perfect example that even two resonable and educated countries can be put into a situation where they might launch nukes. Throw in unresonable, agressive religious fanatics into the mix with a open and clear agenda to eradicate another nuclear power and Im sure glad I live far far away.