Apple builds a black cube-shaped store - muslims offended

[Carlos_E]

Right. It's all the Muslims' fault. There are over-sensitive Jews, over-sensitive Catholics, over-sensitive Blacks, over-sensitive women.

You forgot over sensitive straight White men. A lot of them here.

[SMYL_GR8]

You forgot over sensitive straight White men. A lot of them here.

You're right Carlito, plenty of them, too.

[Carlos_E]

Sorry. Reading this thread, I couldn't resist.

[zOaib]

Another thing they should keep in mind, this is a predominately christian based country founded by white christian beliefed europeans, not muslim beliefed middle easterns. people need to remember that and not get offended because this country isnt built around them

this is a secular country

[Logan13]

None of those groups murder nuns and blow up churches when they are insulted...

EXACTLY! This is the only group that gets away with violence, the media and Libs are only bent on asking "why did the US/Israel make them do that?..." Is anyone as tired as I am at the fact that Muslims are given a pass, on everything? People should be judged by their actions/or inactions...period. I know that someone in here will try to turn this into a "Why do you hate Muslims" discussion to get away from the facts and prove my point. Muslims are given a pass and I'm sick of it. I'm not for bombing Mecca, but I sure as hell know where Biglouie is coming from.

[Logan13]

You forgot over sensitive straight White men. A lot of them here.

Straight, religious white men = the only group that has no cheering section. He has been made the scape goat for every "minority" on the planet.........

[Logan13]

this is a secular country

My 7 year old daughter can not sing "On the first day of Christmas" in her "Winter Program". Instead they have changed it to "On the first day of first grade....." Not secular......PLEASE!!!! If there is ever an uprising in America, it won't be by some obscure minority group. It will be the traditional Americans(white, black, tan, yellow,......) who will be fighting to take this country back from the progressive secularists who are trying to take it away.
This country was founded on the Judeo-Christian principles, and this fact alone scares the shit out of every other person who wants the right to marry one of his livestock in order to make an honest "woman" out of her....... Bahhhhhhhhhhhhh.



-Logan13

[zodiac666]

Right. It's all the Muslims' fault. There are over-sensitive Jews, over-sensitive Catholics, over-sensitive Blacks, over-sensitive women.

These are over-sensitive Muslims complaining irrationally . . . like members of ALL groups do at times

yes but the other religions are not as violent about it. muslims who follow islamic law, which is most muslims from my expirence, believe that if you slander a prophet you deserve to die, if you commit adultry you deserve to die, and if you are muslim and change religions you deserve to die. from my expirence most muslims TODAY still believe these things.

if a muslim guy flushes a bible down the toilet, you wont see christians running around firebombing churches and killing people. if you make a cartoon making fun of jesus, christians wont be happy about it, but you wont see them rioting and killing people. the muslim religion in general is much more over-sensitive than any other religion, and like i said there are plenty of good muslims out there but i dont think they make up the majority.

i apologize to all the good muslims out there, but the world really does neet to stop bowing down to the muslim religion. no one should care if a bunch of muslims get pissed off over every tiny little thing. much of the world is made up of free countries and yes people are allowed to be mean and disrespectful towards your religion, muslims need to learn to live with that just like every other religion has had to.

[zodiac666]

You forgot over sensitive straight White men. A lot of them here.

GOD DAMIT CARLOS, THERE ARE NO FVCKING OVER SENSITIVE STRAIGHT WHITE MEN HERE, sniff....sniff

[SMYL_GR8]

yes but the other religions are not as violent about it. Really? Bible-thumping George Bush isn't violent? Israel isn't violent. There are all different types of terrorismthe muslim religion in general is much more over-sensitive than any other religion, in your opinionand like i said there are plenty of good muslims out there but i dont think they make up the majority. they make up the vast majority, like 99.9% or so

[zodiac666]

i was talking about people being violent in the name of their religion. on other boards even the muslims agree that more people cause violence in the name of their religion than people of any other religion. (im talking about in this day and age, many religions have caused a lot of violence in the past but most have evolved into civilized religions)

i dont like bush at all, and yes he is a violent idiot, but not in the name of religion. he probably causes violence in the name of money and power, but not in the name of jesus.

as far as israel being violent, they are constantly attacked by violent muslim RELIGIOUS extremists so yes they have to be violent to protect their way of life. israel uses violence to destroy the people who are trying to destroy them, not because of their religion.

the fact that the muslim religion is much more over sensitive than any other religion is my opinion, but it is also the opinion of 90% of the civilized world. actually i think it is more of a fact than an opinion. could you please show some examples of other religions (in this day and age) that have extremely widespread over sensitiveness? please show me some examples of religions that kill or cause violence over something as small as a picture that depicts their religion as violent. (PLEASE RESPOND TO THESE STATEMENTS)

also i could go on and on showing muslims that are violent in the name of their religion, shiets (spelling?) killing sunni's over religious differences, the majority of terrorist organizations kill in the name of allah, also look at the islamic laws above that i posted, death for commiting adultry, death for changing religions, death for slandering a prophet...etc

if you believe that 99.9% of muslims do not believe in islamic law then you are highly mistaken, i dont even need to refute this statement.

again my apologies to all the peaceful good muslims

[cfiler]

There will always be someone offended. No matter what. You can't please everyone.

[RA]

Straight, religious white men = the only group that has no cheering section. He has been made the scape goat for every "minority" on the planet.........

So whats new

[zOaib]

zodiac , its the few screwd up ones who are making the most noise , but its ironic or i guess hypocracy , when we had the oklahoma bombing , the school shootings , or the recent amish school shooting , no one says " A CHRISTIAN " did this or did that , there are soo many non practicing muslims all over the world who do stupid things , but yet they r very accurately nailed as being muslims , this false stereotype and mis representation has been created by the media , hence we have these stupid threads on a black box ( which wasnt ) and a stupid so called muslim who made a stupid comment out of his pure stupidity , hence making the rest 1.6 billion look the same .

[zOaib]

i was talking about people being violent in the name of their religion. on other boards even the muslims agree that more people cause violence in the name of their religion than people of any other religion. (im talking about in this day and age, many religions have caused a lot of violence in the past but most have evolved into civilized religions)

i dont like bush at all, and yes he is a violent idiot, but not in the name of religion. he probably causes violence in the name of money and power, but not in the name of jesus.

as far as israel being violent, they are constantly attacked by violent muslim RELIGIOUS extremists so yes they have to be violent to protect their way of life. israel uses violence to destroy the people who are trying to destroy them, not because of their religion.

the fact that the muslim religion is much more over sensitive than any other religion is my opinion, but it is also the opinion of 90% of the civilized world. actually i think it is more of a fact than an opinion. could you please show some examples of other religions (in this day and age) that have extremely widespread over sensitiveness? please show me some examples of religions that kill or cause violence over something as small as a picture that depicts their religion as violent. (PLEASE RESPOND TO THESE STATEMENTS)

also i could go on and on showing muslims that are violent in the name of their religion, shiets (spelling?) killing sunni's over religious differences, the majority of terrorist organizations kill in the name of allah, also look at the islamic laws above that i posted, death for commiting adultry, death for changing religions, death for slandering a prophet...etc

if you believe that 99.9% of muslims do not believe in islamic law then you are highly mistaken, i dont even need to refute this statement.

again my apologies to all the peaceful good muslims

again , u r speculating on information that has no grounds, because the above things u said are you opinion only , if u knew anythign about islamic law and the ones who follow it , they r not the ones called terrorist , i follow islamic law , u see me going blowing something up , also i would like u to pass on any evidence u have that 90% of the so called civilized nations thing islam as a religion is violent , u need to get out a lot more , i have no clue what people u get your info from , and as far as the websites u r talkign about where u chat with muslims , to be honest most of them are just bench jihadists who love talking smack , and thats one fo there pass times , just like the ones who got banned form here .................... u wanna know muslims go meet them in your environment and talk to those people.

[Logan13]

zodiac , its the few screwd up ones who are making the most noise , but its ironic or i guess hypocracy , when we had the oklahoma bombing , the school shootings , or the recent amish school shooting , no one says " A CHRISTIAN " did this or did that , there are soo many non practicing muslims all over the world who do stupid things , but yet they r very accurately nailed as being muslims , this false stereotype and mis representation has been created by the media , hence we have these stupid threads on a black box ( which wasnt ) and a stupid so called muslim who made a stupid comment out of his pure stupidity , hence making the rest 1.6 billion look the same .

If it were those from the Christian faith at fault for the homocide bombings and terrorist schemes, the rest of the Christian world would not stand for it, and the Liberal news would hammer them on the front page of every newspaper everyday for it. Do not try to equate a school shooting with terrorist bombings. The Muslims get a pass, this is a fact.

[zodiac666]

zoab, you're right im not educated enough in the muslim religion to talk as much as i do, and the media does focus almost completely on the violent muslims, although it doesnt help that many of these people loudly proclaim to be true muslims and that they are committing the violence in the name of their god.

also i stated that 90% of the civilized world believes that muslims are more over sensitive than any other religion (not that islam is a violent religion) and yes i have no proof, i just made this number up. however there is no question in my mind that muslims are the most over sensitive major religion, and again the media doesnt help this, but based on my limited knowledge and muslims i have talked to, muslims do seem to be incredibly over protective of their religion. and yes, i am partially talking about the danish cartoons and the popes comments. if you took these two examples and reversed them so it was christians being put down, i am fairly confident that you would not see christians worldwide raising hell. again the media didnt show the muslims in a positive light after these actions but there is no denying that these actions caused muslims (not all muslims, but quite a few) worldwide to get extremely pissed off and in some cases cause violence or threaten to cause violence. i do think part of the problem is that many of these muslims are from non-free countries so they are not used to people being able to publicly put down their religion and when they do see it it really shocks them.

the other site i have been going to is bb.com, and many of the muslims there seem very well educated in the muslim religion. if the information i have been given is correct, i do extremely disagree with islamic law. and i do realize that islamic laws are only carried out in a country that is governed by islamic law which i am not sure if any country at present time is ruled by islamic law. even if the people cant enforce islamic law it still bothers me that they believe in the death penalty for some extremely small crimes. i know muslims dont consider these crimes small but the crimes i am talking about do not physically harm anyone so how could you possibly believe someone should be put to death for them? the main crimes i am talking about are what i posted earlier, if you slander a prophet you should be put to death, if you commit adultery you will be put to death, and if you are a muslim and change religions you have 3 days to repent and if not then you are put to death.

another thing i noticed from watching muslims argue with each other on other sites is that the quran doesnt state these laws (although the wording in the quran is debatable about whether it means 100 lashes for adultry or 100 lashes for fornication) these laws are stated in hadiths that were created a couple hundred years after the quran.

aside from the fake muslims who commit violence and use their religion to justify it, my biggest problem is with people who believe that those crimes listed above should be punished be death! that really just blows my mind.

if i am completely misquoting the religion please correct me, like i said this is just what i have been told by other muslims. i seriously hope these laws are not true but judging by how seriously the people on this other site defended these laws i have a feeling they are true.

[RA]

zodiac , its the few screwd up ones who are making the most noise , but its ironic or i guess hypocracy , when we had the oklahoma bombing , the school shootings , or the recent amish school shooting , no one says " A CHRISTIAN " did this or did that , there are soo many non practicing muslims all over the world who do stupid things , but yet they r very accurately nailed as being muslims , this false stereotype and mis representation has been created by the media , hence we have these stupid threads on a black box ( which wasnt ) and a stupid so called muslim who made a stupid comment out of his pure stupidity , hence making the rest 1.6 billion look the same .

Tell me honestly there was not celebration across the U.S. in all the mosques after 9/11 because I know of one for sure

[Carlos_E]

Tell me honestly there was not celebration across the U.S. in all the mosques after 9/11 because I know of one for sure

I know of none. I have coworkers who are Muslim who were harassed and mistreated because of 9/11. They were called names and spat on. And cab drivers were pulled out of their cars and beaten. Misdirected anger.

[zOaib]

If it were those from the Christian faith at fault for the homocide bombings and terrorist schemes, the rest of the Christian world would not stand for it, and the Liberal news would hammer them on the front page of every newspaper everyday for it. Do not try to equate a school shooting with terrorist bombings. The Muslims get a pass, this is a fact.

the muslims get a pass , since when ?

bin laden kills 2500 americans on 9/11 , and instead of killing bin laden thousands of innocent muslims get killed paying the price for his sin .

iraq is another example , lebanon is another example .................

u can be skeptic all u want but none of u guys here have the margin to understand , or look in our own shirt .............. i have no remorse for the terrorists but i have remorse for the innocent , u cna call it collateral damage , but they wont understand it like that because we r here and they r the ones gettign bombed ............

roid , all the mosques i go to here , actually started condoning in the friday sermons , when 9/11 happened , ofcourse i wont say that there werent some where they were celebrating.

i will call those people christians who killed innocent kids in school or the federal building , because they r born fo christian parents stereotypically white christians , its you who will not admit it because like i said u guys dont have a margin for that , it only applies to muslims , hence we can argue here all we want and still get no where because there is hate and enmity . someone has to take the first step , if the muslims are too screwed up to take initiative then why doesnt the civilized world show them how to take the first step , and make them feel secure in their lands , and trust me bombs dont help , if iw ant someone to hear me i dotn throw a stone at them and expect them to understand.

[JohnboyF]

Tell me honestly there was not celebration across the U.S. in all the mosques after 9/11 because I know of one for sure

ALL??? wow i agree with carlos.. 95% of North american mosques shunned the actions. The footage you saw of children dancing in the street was inthe middel east..

[zOaib]

zoab, you're right im not educated enough in the muslim religion to talk as much as i do, and the media does focus almost completely on the violent muslims, although it doesnt help that many of these people loudly proclaim to be true muslims and that they are committing the violence in the name of their god.

also i stated that 90% of the civilized world believes that muslims are more over sensitive than any other religion (not that islam is a violent religion) and yes i have no proof, i just made this number up. however there is no question in my mind that muslims are the most over sensitive major religion, and again the media doesnt help this, but based on my limited knowledge and muslims i have talked to, muslims do seem to be incredibly over protective of their religion. and yes, i am partially talking about the danish cartoons and the popes comments. if you took these two examples and reversed them so it was christians being put down, i am fairly confident that you would not see christians worldwide raising hell. again the media didnt show the muslims in a positive light after these actions but there is no denying that these actions caused muslims (not all muslims, but quite a few) worldwide to get extremely pissed off and in some cases cause violence or threaten to cause violence. i do think part of the problem is that many of these muslims are from non-free countries so they are not used to people being able to publicly put down their religion and when they do see it it really shocks them.

the other site i have been going to is bb.com, and many of the muslims there seem very well educated in the muslim religion. if the information i have been given is correct, i do extremely disagree with islamic law. and i do realize that islamic laws are only carried out in a country that is governed by islamic law which i am not sure if any country at present time is ruled by islamic law. even if the people cant enforce islamic law it still bothers me that they believe in the death penalty for some extremely small crimes. i know muslims dont consider these crimes small but the crimes i am talking about do not physically harm anyone so how could you possibly believe someone should be put to death for them? the main crimes i am talking about are what i posted earlier, if you slander a prophet you should be put to death, if you commit adultery you will be put to death, and if you are a muslim and change religions you have 3 days to repent and if not then you are put to death.

another thing i noticed from watching muslims argue with each other on other sites is that the quran doesnt state these laws (although the wording in the quran is debatable about whether it means 100 lashes for adultry or 100 lashes for fornication) these laws are stated in hadiths that were created a couple hundred years after the quran.

aside from the fake muslims who commit violence and use their religion to justify it, my biggest problem is with people who believe that those crimes listed above should be punished be death! that really just blows my mind.

if i am completely misquoting the religion please correct me, like i said this is just what i have been told by other muslims. i seriously hope these laws are not true but judging by how seriously the people on this other site defended these laws i have a feeling they are true.

i see clearly what ur saying now , and ill PM u about some of the things u mentioned .

[RA]

I know of none. I have coworkers who are Muslim who were harassed and mistreated because of 9/11. They were called names and spat on. And cab drivers were pulled out of their cars and beaten. Misdirected anger.

Yeah, well like I said I know of one near Detroit. I was wondering if it happened there how many others were doing the same.

[RA]

ALL??? wow i agree with carlos.. 95% of North american mosques shunned the actions. The footage you saw of children dancing in the street was inthe middel east..

Who said all? I asked a question based on an experience of a friend of mine. I wasnt talking about anyone dancing in the streets. Dont read something into my words that is not there.

[JohnboyF]

Tell me honestly there was not celebration across the U.S. in all the mosques after 9/11 because I know of one for sure

here ya go

[RA]

here ya go

Right, I wanted him to confirm/deny. Was not directed at you. Do you attend?

[RA]

roid , all the mosques i go to here , actually started condoning in the friday sermons , when 9/11 happened , ofcourse i wont say that there werent some where they were celebrating.

Thank you...with the silence after 9/11 and my buddy saying what he experienced thats what I thought. Im not sure how you can live in a country and celebrate after 3,000 of its citizens get murdered.

[Surfstud18]

You are an idiot. This is a multi-cultural nation, not a "white christian" only nation. This nation was stolen from the Native Americans so maybe we should only follow their beliefs.

BTW, Muslims are easily offended and their beliefs should be respected. That doesn't mean everyone should bow down to them, this being a free country and all.

I concur I have Indian in me, We had are own Holocaust on this land. Although the freedom of their ancient way of life has been lost, the religion, culture, legends, and spirit of the American Indian will always endure

[RA]

I concur I have Indian in me, We had are own Holocaust on this land. Although the freedom of their ancient way of life has been lost, the religion, culture, legends, and spirit of the American Indian will always endure

Praise the spirit world and throw the dice!

[Surfstud18]

Haha

[Phreak101]

I concur I have Indian in me, We had are own Holocaust on this land. Although the freedom of their ancient way of life has been lost, the religion, culture, legends, and spirit of the American Indian will always endure

Manifest destiny

[Phreak101]

zodiac , its the few screwd up ones who are making the most noise , but its ironic or i guess hypocracy , when we had the oklahoma bombing , the school shootings , or the recent amish school shooting , no one says " A CHRISTIAN " did this or did that , there are soo many non practicing muslims all over the world who do stupid things , but yet they r very accurately nailed as being muslims , this false stereotype and mis representation has been created by the media , hence we have these stupid threads on a black box ( which wasnt ) and a stupid so called muslim who made a stupid comment out of his pure stupidity , hence making the rest 1.6 billion look the same .

You're ignoring the fact that these people are commiting these acts in the name of Islam.

What choice do we have but to blame Islam? Obviously not every Muslim is bad, but the twisted idealogy that is being spoon fed to frustrated youth about 70 virgins, Allah is on our side, America is the devil, etc., IMO, seems to have enough expoitable elements to it to somehow justify what these people are doing.

Bad news

[RA]

I concur I have Indian in me, We had are own Holocaust on this land. Although the freedom of their ancient way of life has been lost, the religion, culture, legends, and spirit of the American Indian will always endure

I know its off topic but what tribe?

[eyecandy_44]

i can't believe i opened this thread up

[Phreak101]

i can't believe i opened this thread up

Thanks for sharing that...

[BigLittleTim]

"If I were ever elected President of the United States, on my first day in office I would cut off financial support for all Islamic countries; on my second day in office I would cut off all financial support for Israel; on my third day in office I would be assasinated."

-Gore Vidal

[Carlos_E]

"A recent report from the Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI) claiming that some Muslims dubbed Apple's Fifth Avenue Store in New York blasphemous has angered numerous Muslims, who are actively criticizing the media firm for selectively publishing the most extreme statements from the Muslim world. An unnamed, anonymous website allegedly posted an entry stating that Apple's NYC store is a "blatant insult to Islam" because it resembles the Ka'ba -- a sacred building in Mecca open 24 hours with a cube-like shape -- and urged Muslims to spread the word and "stop the project," according to MEMRI. Apple responded to the claims, saying that the entrance to the Apple Store is not meant to resemble the holy structure and that the company has never referred to the store as "Mecca," as some bloggers recently had, according to TechWeb Technology News."

"What really makes me angry is that under the guise of news about Apple (which we all love), a blatant flat-out lie was perpetuated. The reality of the matter was that it was a random post on a random website, without a single supporting name or organization to reflect the “muslim community’s outrage.” The MEMRI article did not even link to, nor identify, the Arabic news source it was supposed to be citing or translating!

If you look again into MEMRI’s background, the organization seems to be a source not known for being unbiased.

Now I wouldn’t be one to pass judgement quickly, but given these irregularities, I would tend to think that this is plain propaganda aimed at discrediting the Muslim community."

Muslim Community Responds: We Love the Apple NYC Cube
http://www.applegazette.com/mac/musl...pple-nyc-cube/

[Carlos_E]

Muslim Website Says Muslims Aren't Offended By Apple Store
http://www.altmuslim.com/perm.php?id=1802_0_24_0_M

By Shahed Amanullah, October 11, 2006

"Recently, the Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI) stated that an anonymous Islamic website in the Middle East urged Muslims to show their outrage at the Apple Store in New York City, which built a pavilion coincidentally resembling the cube shape of the Ka'aba, the ancient structure in Mecca towards which all Muslims pray (the actual structure is glass, though MEMRI referenced a black plywood cover during construction). Predictibly, the post brought out cries of indignation from people upset that Muslims would be offended (yet again). But missing in the report was the name of the purported website, why it was considered authoritative on the matter, or any actual offended Muslims (our straw poll garnered a collective shrug, along with much respect for Steve Jobs, himself the son of an Arab). It's not the first time the controversial organisation has selectively framed an issue to show Muslims in a less than positive light, nor is it the only instance of pre-emptive outrage attributed to Muslims in recent months. Take the case of a Kate Moss advertisment across the street from a New York mosque. The idea that Muslims might be offended by this went from blog post to mainstream media, somehow becoming "hundreds" of Muslims "infuriated" along the way. Nobody bothered to ask Muslims, though. In fact, no Muslim ever complained. A similar story happened when a UK art gallery pulled some sexually explicit art pieces depicting young girls so as to not "shock the population" of Muslims who live in their east London neighborhood. As with the above, no Muslims actually complained, but it didn't matter - the damage was done, and Muslims were labeled anti-art without even having a say in the matter. The list goes on. A British school bans children's stories about pigs so that Muslims won't get offended - again no Muslim complained ("It is rather sad," commented UK imam Ibrahim Mogra. "Muslims would not find the Three Little Pigs offensive."). A German opera last week cancelled a performance in which the leaders of various religions were beheaded, again citing Muslim sensibilities - even though, again, no Muslims complained, and the opera was performed three years ago without incident. Despite the reaction of the Muslim world to the Danish Muhammad cartoons - which probably drove much of the paranoia behind these decisions - Muslims in the west have a thicker skin than most people think, and the vast majority aren't looking to impose their values on others. But in the case of the (selective) MEMRI account, where at least one Muslim did (allegedly) complain about the NYC Apple Store, it seems that whenever a lone Muslim says something incendiary - even when it is an anonymous person hiding in a cave somewhere - his words are taken to somehow represent all Muslims. When whole groups of Muslims issue condemnations of terrorism, they are treated as "brave but isolated cries", or worse, ignored. In MEMRI's case, the mainstream media has already begun reporting it as fact. When it comes to Muslims, everyone loves a rumor.

Shahed Amanullah is editor-in-chief of alt.muslim."

[collar]

wow useless thread once again, enough the bashing and grow up/

[J.S.N.]

i find this thread highly ofensive. mod's please edit title to "Apple builds an african-american cube-shaped store - muslims offended"