Obama Bests Clinton in Primary Fundraising

[Logan13]

It would seem that Obama has a true grass roots following, he had over 100K donars, 90% of whom gave less than $100 each. Also of note is that the Democrat candidates raised about $80 Million and the GOP candidates raised $50 Million. And you guys say that the GOP is the party of the rich.....

Obama Bests Clinton in Primary Fundraising
ABC News
April 4, 2007— ABC News has learned that the $23.5 million Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., raised for his presidential campaign for use in the primaries is more than that raised by the Democratic frontrunner, Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y.

Of the $26 million Clinton has raised in the first quarter of 2007 for her presidential campaign, approximately $20 million is to be used in the primaries and caucuses, sources told ABC News.

Clinton campaign officials cautioned that its campaign was still ascertaining how much of its $26 million raised is available for primary use.

Sources told ABC News that while that is accurate, roughly $20 million is designated for the primary — it could be slightly less or slightly more. Either way, Obama raised more primary cash than Clinton.

Newcomer Obama Bests Experienced Clinton

The remaining $6 million of the $26 million raised by Clinton is designated for use in the general election if the former first lady wins her party's nomination. Clinton also has slightly more than $10 million that she has transferred from her 2006 Senate campaign account.

Clinton has a distinct money advantage and leads in every national poll, but the fact that rookie Obama has bested a veteran like Clinton in many aspects of fundraising — he rasied $6.9 million on the Internet, for instance, compared with Clinton's $4.2 million — has stunned the political world.

"We're really humbled by the amazing outpouring of support," Obama told WLS Radio today. "It is broad-based — we did it without taking PAC money, without taking federal lobbyist money, so we feel really good about it."

Added a prominent supporter, Rep. Jesse Jackson, D-Ill., "This is a long road and a long process to the White House, but make no doubt about it, Barack Obama is driving the fastest car."

Individual Donors Put Obama on Top

Obama received donations from more than 100,000 donors, far surpassing any other candidate, including Clinton (50,000); Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., (45,000); former Sen. John Edwards, D-NC, (40,000); or former GOP Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney (34,000).

And 90 percent of Obama's donors contributed $100 or less, as opposed to the presumbed larger percentage of Clinton donors who contributed the maximum contribution allowed by law, $2,300 per person per voting cycle.

"That means exponential growth is possible for him in a way that is not available to Hillary Clinton right now," explained Democratic strategist Joe Trippi. "[The Clintons] were counting on blowing everybody out this first quarter and sort of, like, slamming the door."

"That didn't happen," Trippi concluded.

The reaction this evening from Hillary Clinton's top fundraiser — who has made it his career to raise political money — was: money doesn't matter.

"Ultimately, forget the money. You've got to get votes," said Terry McAuliffe, Clinton's campaign chairman. "And right now, Hillary wins in that category. She wins every single poll today."

Obama told WLS today that as far as he's concerned, Clinton is still the frontrunner.

"When your name is Obama, you're always the underdog," he quipped.

[Prada]

Maybe the Dems just have more support thats all, which wouldnt surprise whatsoever at this point of time. Disenchantement is a b*tch at fundraising time.

[mcpeepants]

hillary and obama may raise lots of money but they'll probably lose the general in a landslide. i'd like to live in the America that people are dreaming of where a black man or woman can run without having to worry about bigotry.

[Logan13]

hillary and obama may raise lots of money but they'll probably lose the general in a landslide. i'd like to live in the America that people are dreaming of where a black man or woman can run without having to worry about bigotry.

If they lose, perhaps it is becuase they were not the best candidates for the job. I do like Obama, although I disagree with alot of his policies, but he just doesn't have the resume to be President in 2008. Don't even get me started about Hillary........

[Vinlander]

hillary and obama may raise lots of money but they'll probably lose the general in a landslide. i'd like to live in the America that people are dreaming of where a black man or woman can run without having to worry about bigotry.

Hilary Clinton and Barack Obama not winning have little to do with bigotry.

Women simply will not support other women or go out of their way to do anything but backstab. That is the only reason you'll never see a female president; it's not about qualifications, it's about image for female voters and women are nothing if not critical of other females.

[Vinlander]

And by the way, Obama isn't even black. He's 1/2 black at most.

[Logan13]

hillary and obama may raise lots of money but they'll probably lose the general in a landslide. i'd like to live in the America that people are dreaming of where a black man or woman can run without having to worry about bigotry.

I would like to live in the America where people don't use minority labels as crutches..........An America where the better qualified job candidates can get hired without the employer being labeled a "racist" because there were minorities who applied as well.

[mcpeepants]

If they lose, perhaps it is becuase they were not the best candidates for the job. I do like Obama, although I disagree with alot of his policies, but he just doesn't have the resume to be President in 2008. Don't even get me started about Hillary........

They'll lose if the run a good or bad campaign, I personally think they're both running bdd campaigns. Obama is saying an subtance or how who is going to change America and is just riding on his likeability. Hillary will just pander to who's ever in the room and is always trying to triangulate issues.

I think people like the idea of voting for a women or a minority but when they hit that voting booth, those buried prejudices that the 13th, 14th, 15th, 19th amendments and the Civil Rights act can't remove will resurface.

[mcpeepants]

Hilary Clinton and Barack Obama not winning have little to do with bigotry.

Women simply will not support other women or go out of their way to do anything but backstab. That is the only reason you'll never see a female president; it's not about qualifications, it's about image for female voters and women are nothing if not critical of other females.

this makes me think of the movie Guess Who Coming to Dinner (the original). The dad proudly proclaims to be a liberal and progressive and supports the Civil Rights movement. He is excited to meet her daughters finance who is an Ivy league educated, well paid doctor. But when he see he's black, he freaks and turns all reactionary.

moral of the story, it's hard to get rid of internal prejudices.

[mcpeepants]

And by the way, Obama isn't even black. He's 1/2 black at most.

America basically follows one drop rule

[mcpeepants]

I would like to live in the America where people don't use minority labels as crutches..........An America where the better qualified job candidates can get hired without the employer being labeled a "racist" because there were minorities who applied as well.

I would like to live in an America where better qualified minorities don't get passed over for jobs and promotions by underqualified members of the majority.

[Logan13]

I would like to live in an America where better qualified minorities don't get passed over for jobs and promotions by underqualified members of the majority.

The reverse happens much more often. Quotas must be filled, and these quotas do not include "heterosexual white males".......

[Vinlander]

I would like to live in an America where better qualified minorities don't get passed over for jobs and promotions by underqualified members of the majority.

That's a pretty bold claim. Any numbers to back that up?

[Vinlander]

I would like to live in an America where better qualified minorities don't get passed over for jobs and promotions by underqualified members of the majority.

You sound pretty bitter. Where do you live?

[Logan13]

You sound pretty bitter. Where do you live?

We have quite a few of those from the "bitter camp" here..........

[alphaman]

I would like to live in an America where better qualified minorities don't get passed over for jobs and promotions by underqualified members of the majority.

You must not work in the real world, because I see the opposite ALL the time.

[mcpeepants]

The reverse happens much more often. Quotas must be filled, and these quotas do not include "heterosexual white males".......

I'm not here to argue percentages just point out that just becuase a minority got hired or accepted into a school does not mean they were not qualified

[mcpeepants]

That's a pretty bold claim. Any numbers to back that up?

This happened to my mother and sister and to many Africans we are friends with while I was growing up in NY. Happened to me less than my mother and sister probably due to me being a male.

No I don't have numbers to back it up.

[mcpeepants]

You sound pretty bitter. Where do you live?

Your judgement must be poor if that what you got from what I posted.

I'm currently in Colorado getting my masters degree in mechanical engineering

[mcpeepants]

You must not work in the real world, because I see the opposite ALL the time.

Well you must not be a immigrant from Africa because I've seen and experienced it many times.

[alphaman]

Well you must not be a immigrant from Africa because I've seen and experienced it many times.

Well, if that's true -- I'm sorry to hear it. But taking the vast majority of your posts into consideration, I'd assume that your perception is a bit skewed....

[Vinlander]

Your judgement must be poor if that what you got from what I posted.

I'm currently in Colorado getting my masters degree in mechanical engineering

Getting your degree, eh? So are you working now?

[Tock]

The reverse happens much more often. Quotas must be filled, and these quotas do not include "heterosexual white males".......

What quotas do not include "heterosexual white males?"

[Vinlander]

What quotas do not include "heterosexual white males?"

Try working in SoCal. It certainly doesn't apply where I'm at.

[Tock]

Try working in SoCal. It certainly doesn't apply where I'm at.

mcpeepants wrote:
I would like to live in an America where better qualified minorities don't get passed over for jobs and promotions by underqualified members of the majority.

Logan responded:
The reverse happens much more often. Quotas must be filled, and these quotas do not include "heterosexual white males".......


Logan seems to be saying that more often than not, hiring quotas exclude heterosexual white males. I'm curious to know, since according to him this is a commonplace occurance, which companies -- specifically -- exclude heterosexual white males. If he can't name any such enterprise, then all we can suppose is that he is, once again, guilty of saying things that are not so.

Here in Texas, even among the many gay businesses I am familiar with, I can't think of a single business that would discriminate against a heterosexual white male. I can say the same for businesses in Oklahoma and Arkansas.
I can, however, say that discrimination in favor of heterosexual white men is much more common, having witnessed such things firsthand, and being acquainted with many prejudiced employers. Ya, attitudes in this neck of the woods are still, um, backwards . . .

[Vinlander]

mcpeepants wrote:
I would like to live in an America where better qualified minorities don't get passed over for jobs and promotions by underqualified members of the majority.

Logan responded:
The reverse happens much more often. Quotas must be filled, and these quotas do not include "heterosexual white males".......


Logan seems to be saying that more often than not, hiring quotas exclude heterosexual white males. I'm curious to know, since according to him this is a commonplace occurance, which companies -- specifically -- exclude heterosexual white males. If he can't name any such enterprise, then all we can suppose is that he is, once again, guilty of saying things that are not so.

Here in Texas, even among the many gay businesses I am familiar with, I can't think of a single business that would discriminate against a heterosexual white male. I can say the same for businesses in Oklahoma and Arkansas.
I can, however, say that discrimination in favor of heterosexual white men is much more common, having witnessed such things firsthand, and being acquainted with many prejudiced employers. Ya, attitudes in this neck of the woods are still, um, backwards . . .

That's where you're at, this is where I'm at. I've experienced first-hand this topic of discussion when I applied for the local police department. I was denied employment even though I passed every test with flying colors, as did my friend. The sergeant was a close friend of my buddy's and let him know after that "we're not hiring anymore white cops right now." Verbatim.

[Logan13]

I'm not here to argue percentages just point out that just becuase a minority got hired or accepted into a school does not mean they were not qualified

It doesn't mean that they WERE qualified either..........

[Logan13]

mcpeepants wrote:
I would like to live in an America where better qualified minorities don't get passed over for jobs and promotions by underqualified members of the majority.

Logan responded:
The reverse happens much more often. Quotas must be filled, and these quotas do not include "heterosexual white males".......


Logan seems to be saying that more often than not, hiring quotas exclude heterosexual white males. I'm curious to know, since according to him this is a commonplace occurance, which companies -- specifically -- exclude heterosexual white males. If he can't name any such enterprise, then all we can suppose is that he is, once again, guilty of saying things that are not so.

Here in Texas, even among the many gay businesses I am familiar with, I can't think of a single business that would discriminate against a heterosexual white male. I can say the same for businesses in Oklahoma and Arkansas.
I can, however, say that discrimination in favor of heterosexual white men is much more common, having witnessed such things firsthand, and being acquainted with many prejudiced employers. Ya, attitudes in this neck of the woods are still, um, backwards . . .

So it is your stance that Affirmative Action was created for white heterosexual males than?
http://kipesquire.powerblogs.com/posts/1120668268.shtml
Wal-Mart Imposes Hiring Quotas on Its Lawyers
"Wal-Mart has informed the major law firms it hires — all 100 of them — that they must impose racial and gender quotas on the "relationship teams" it assigns to the mega-retailer:
The company's general counsel has told its top 100 law firms that at least one person of color and one woman must be among the top five relationship attorneys that handle its business."

Now apologize for your ignorance Tock ...........

[mcpeepants]

Well, if that's true -- I'm sorry to hear it. But taking the vast majority of your posts into consideration, I'd assume that your perception is a bit skewed....

I'd agree I see things different than most because they're not many African immigrants in the US. It may be skewed but that that's how I'm affected.

[mcpeepants]

Getting your degree, eh? So are you working now?

I am currently a teaching assistant for Heat and Mass Transfer and this summer I'll be working in a lab and my final year be working as a research assistant on my thesis.

[Logan13]

I'd agree I see things different than most because they're not many African immigrants in the US. It may be skewed but that that's how I'm affected.

My freshman year of college I roomed with 2 guys from Niger. They made an awesome bread dish, but have never been able to remember the name of it. Would you know what this is?

[mcpeepants]

It doesn't mean that they WERE qualified either..........

the white guy wasn't necessarily qualified either

[Vinlander]

I am currently a teaching assistant for Heat and Mass Transfer and this summer I'll be working in a lab and my final year be working as a research assistant on my thesis.

Ok. And what experience do you have in attempting to find a job?

[Vinlander]

the white guy wasn't necessarily qualified either

If you have a problem with white people you're in the wrong county. Aren't their African countries you could've gone to school in without all of this "discrimination" against you? It was your choice to come here, after all. Why whine about it?

[mcpeepants]

My freshman year of college I roomed with 2 guys from Niger. They made an awesome bread dish, but have never been able to remember the name of it. Would you know what this is?

I'm from uganda and am not really experienced with west african food. the bread I make is an african version of Indian chapatti. I'll ask a friend from Ghana and see if he knows.

[scriptfactory]

If you have a problem with white people you're in the wrong county. Aren't their African countries you could've gone to school in without all of this "discrimination" against you? It was your choice to come here, after all. Why whine about it?

Are you serious?

[mcpeepants]

If you have a problem with white people you're in the wrong county. Aren't their African countries you could've gone to school in without all of this "discrimination" against you? It was your choice to come here, after all.

do you have poor reading comprehension? where are you getting that from my post?

I'm came here when I was four years old so I didn't have a choice plus a like living in America and am an American citizen. I'm only pointing out that just because a minority is hired doesn't mean a more qualified white person was passed over.

[Vinlander]

do you have poor reading comprehension? where are you getting that from my post?

I'm came here when I was four years old so I didn't have a choice plus a like living in America and am an American citizen. I'm only pointing out that just because a minority is hired doesn't mean a more qualified white person was passed over.

No one is arguing that point. It was already made. The most qualified person should have the job, which is normally the case from what I've seen across the country. However, there are quotas now according to race. It is working in reverse in some cases, some of which I've experienced personally.

[Logan13]

Are you serious?

There is always Liberia...........

I do not think that Vin was referring to blacks whose families were brought over here. I believe that he meant mcpeepants, who is over here from Uganda. And in all honesty, having roomed with students from Niger, he probably appreciates what this country has to offer more than you or I do Script.

[mcpeepants]

Ok. And what experience do you have in attempting to find a job?

I have a BS in Mechanical Engineering so I could find a engineering job if I wasn't going to grad school right now. I've worked as civil engineering intern, research assistant, technical assistant, in clean rooms, damage testing, with mathcad, matlab, nastran, patran, proengineer, and I'm starting to work with natural gas engines at the lab.