This is getting out of hand.

[LatissimusaurousRex]

jokes on them, the drugs are inside the dog

[im83931]

Lets face it. We have the worst security force of any western nation. This should never have happened and the agent should be punished. Last I checked following orders doesn't make infringing on someones rights ok.

[Panzerfaust]

Lets face it. We have the worst security force of any western nation. This should never have happened and the agent should be punished. Last I checked following orders doesn't make infringing on someones rights ok.

The exact position the US took on German soldiers who were "just following orders" but nobody oversees the US do they?

[jimmyinkedup]

IDK man ..im torn. I mean i can see where if this was my step daughter id be upset HOWEVER part of me is glad the world is seeing it. If we didnt do this i sure as hell wouldnt put it past terrorsits to start using children to transport / bring bombs onto aircraft. Kids understand alot more than we give them credit for. Its just importatnt they understand its only ok for this to happen when you are present and its to keep bad people from bringing bad things onto planes. If i explained this to my 4 year old i KNOW she would understand it - despite what many will sayt.

[LatissimusaurousRex]

It's your choice to fly.

[zabster151]

whats the difference. if someone blows up everyone in the lobby before getting a pat down VS on the plane he still killed everyone wright?. my point is you cant stop someone who wants to kill people. they will find a new way. if they want it bad enough they will get ya. so taking away are rights and treating everyone as a terrorist will solve nothing but make more angry people.

and that whole its your choice to fyl is such crap. common stop ****ing with people who are clearly not terrorist.

[LatissimusaurousRex]

Your facts are such crap isn't really a very good rebuttal.

People are too sensitive anyway, ohhhhhhh no they're gonna xray me, theyre gonna touch me?? boo hoo, get groped and get on your flight.

[LatissimusaurousRex]

Don't forget that TSA isn't allowed to profile, so by patting down someone like this is gives them the right to pat down everyone that they really are racially profiling.

[BgMc31]

Why is the argument that "flying is a choice", crap, Zab? I used the analogy of being patted down at a major sports event. You don't want to be patted down, don't go. You don't want to be patted down at the airport...DON'T FLY!!! Seems pretty simple to me.

[songdog]

Everyone thinks its bullsh1t until the next thing happens.Then everyone runs around saying we shouldve did this or we shouldve did that.We as Americans cant let our guard down.Our problem here is we dont like to be delayed.Well guess wat times are changing.Those people who are trying to kill us.Dont care about nothing but their own agenda.They use our own laws againest us.About the time we think all is well.Something else will happen.I know I would rather have my 6 yr old frisked.Than give those freaks another chance at killing someone.Now if that family dont like wat happened at the airport.They can join the miltary and get in on some of the fighting.

[Twist]

THis is how terrorism works. Setting aside Sep 11 (assuming it is exactly as it is alleged), terrorists inflict very little to no damage in comparison to the aftershocks that are created in reaction to the act of terror.

Inconveniencing thousands of americans constantly and costing tax payers billions is the terrorist succeeding. Straight up these body scanners are not necessary. I just feel like it is over the top. In all the ways a terrorist can attack something and cause damage, they are not going to the place that the plot has the lowest likelihood of success (the airport). There will be no shortage of ways to inflict terror (especially with the US gun laws), there is too much money surrounding all these issues and really we are not better off. It's just too much and this, in my eyes, is the terrorists winning.

[LatissimusaurousRex]

THis is how terrorism works. Setting aside Sep 11 (assuming it is exactly as it is alleged), terrorists inflict very little to no damage in comparison to the aftershocks that are created in reaction to the act of terror.

Inconveniencing thousands of americans constantly and costing tax payers billions is the terrorist succeeding. Straight up these body scanners are not necessary. I just feel like it is over the top. In all the ways a terrorist can attack something and cause damage, they are not going to the place that the plot has the lowest likelihood of success (the airport). There will be no shortage of ways to inflict terror (especially with the US gun laws), there is too much money surrounding all these issues and really we are not better off. It's just too much and this, in my eyes, is the terrorists winning.

Obviously terror isn't something tangible, but the terrorists didn't cast their level 5 terror spell on American airports just to inconvenience us in the future years. They hi jacked the planes obviously with the sole purpose to commit the terrorist acts that soon followed. People saying because this is happening means "the terrorist win" is some of the dumbest BS you'll ever hear, and you can really apply it to almost anything in life if you want to. The "inconvenient" security was put up just like a reaction to any mishap would have. You see all those little warning signs on power tools with the little guy falling over or getting his fingers cut off to let you know what NOT to do. All these little warnings were created because some idiot actually did this. Anytime you have an accident like this, you have to (at least make it look like you're) doing something about it to prevent similar incidents from happening. So say an airport (or school, or government building, or w/e) has a security level of 10 (<---arbitrary number) because of some Fing idiot (or some Fing nut) there's a breach of security. Well now it's obvious there's a flaw in the security so now it has to be 10+1 and so on and so on with each occurring event. After something like that happens the security has to ask What just happened? How did it happen? How can we prevent this from happening again? Not increasing the security at the airport after these events, everyone would have looked at the airports like WTF are you doing???? The public is never pleased though, yes of course we should have increased security at the airports, but god forbid it actually affect ME!!!! Not ME, I shouldn't be searched only Habib, Sahid, and Muhammad should be searched. The general public is pretty dumb, everyone's getting what's best for them they just don't know it. In contrast, it wouldn't have been as big of a deal if they were searching a middle eastern child cause yeah obviously that little girl has a bomb on her. (<--- slight sarcasm) And I'll reiterate, obviously this little white girl had nothing bad on her, but by searching her it allows TSA to search all the little muslim babies they want without getting flak for profiling. Lastly, omg quit being so sensitive be glad you get to fly through the air at hundreds of miles per hour to reach your destination at a more than reasonable amount of time. Maybe you can THANK TSA for groping everyone and making sure (as sure as they can be) that no one is gonna blow that plane up that has your precious, pure, chaste, American-right infused body is flying on. You could probably ask the people on the planes that were hi jacked what they think about airport security but they're all Fing dead.

[songdog]

Very well said!

[zaggahamma]

If someone says I'm on steroids and I could flip out and roid rage the public should police be able to search my house...
searches like this makes the terorrists win

[LatissimusaurousRex]

If kids can't bring guns to school, then the terrorists win

[zabster151]

the war on terror has cost us about a trillion dollars give or take a couple billion. so we are very much so loosing, are country is more then broke its fading away in the markets.
i found through google about 75 planes ever have been hijacked in history compared to the billions of flights we have that's pretty good without tsa. "not 100% sure on the number"

o yea maybe all theses terrorist wouldn't try to kill us if we did not bomb there countries and kill there family and friends. ever think of that?

[LatissimusaurousRex]

the war on terror has cost us about a trillion dollars give or take a couple billion. so we are very much so loosing, are country is more then broke its fading away in the markets.
i found through google about 75 planes ever have been hijacked in history compared to the billions of flights we have that's pretty good without tsa. "not 100% sure on the number"

o yea maybe all theses terrorist wouldn't try to kill us if we did not bomb there countries and kill there family and friends. ever think of that?

You've moved off the topic. Stick to one. State a point. Address the opposing argument, and come up with your own. Don't just throw nonsense facts out about something else just so you have something to say. If you want to use some sort of plane hi jack statistics it would make sense to have an attempted to successful ratio with maybe a few examples of outcomes both before and after 9/11. You would then use these numbers to validate whatever your argument is. Anyway, there you go Debate 101.

[zabster151]

You've moved off the topic. Stick to one. State a point. Address the opposing argument, and come up with your own. Don't just throw nonsense facts out about something else just so you have something to say. If you want to use some sort of plane hi jack statistics it would make sense to have an attempted to successful ratio with maybe a few examples of outcomes both before and after 9/11. You would then use these numbers to validate whatever your argument is. Anyway, there you go Debate 101.

WTF. i was commenting on the fact that terrorism has won the battle so far like twist was saying because it has bankrupted are country just like they wanted. i was simply asking what the statictic was on how many plane have ever been hijacked." do not know a solid number" its a normal question i just want to know. ok how about this how many 5 yrs before 9/11 and how many 5 yrs after have planes been hijacked
shoe bomber and underware bomber do not count.

[jtuner77]

yea! White little girls and middle America soccer mom's are especially dangerous. great job lady lol

you know people complain about shit like this till something bad happens then they swing the other way.....I would rather be searched and secure then not and get to die on a plane with some nut job.

[Twist]

I'm not saying I want no searches at all to be performed, but the whole taking everyones shoes off and pat downs etc is bullshit. I get the idea with the whole objection to the naked bodyscanners but those I don't care about. They should show a generic picture but just walking through something (which you have to do anyway) is fine with me compared to full pat downs and taking shoes off etc. Just too time consuming and I don't believe that it makes us safer for one second.

[LatissimusaurousRex]

The idea that the terrorists REAL motive was to financially drain us with a war and inconvenience us with tight airport security is a little ridiculous. The only "battle" they may have won was that they did hi jack the planes and do what they did with them, which yeah 1 pt for them, other than that they don't have much going for them. Again this is all straying from the main topic, being airport security is fine for all reasons said before, no need to repeat them and talk in circles.

[LatissimusaurousRex]

I'm not saying I want no searches at all to be performed, but the whole taking everyones shoes off and pat downs etc is bullshit. I get the idea with the whole objection to the naked bodyscanners but those I don't care about. They should show a generic picture but just walking through something (which you have to do anyway) is fine with me compared to full pat downs and taking shoes off etc. Just too time consuming and I don't believe that it makes us safer for one second.

The point is you need set standards in security and after they're breached you raise them. So we never used to need the shoes off and pat downs, after security is breached we do now. And if it's breached again you can bet there's gonna be some more BS. You can complain all you want, but it's not gonna go away. I don't see the inconveniences of airport security ever outweighing how convenient it is to fly, people just need to deal with it or not fly.

[JohnnyVegas]

My questions is this in terms of you leaving, where would you go? There is no country that doesn't have some type of restrictions on personal freedoms. This country is as free as it gets. Now are you looking for a country that doesn't restrict your freedoms or supports your views but restricts the freedoms and views of others? That's not freedom, that's justifiable discrimination.

There are places where there are very few restrictions. Unfortunately, after moving there you will probably be robbed, raped and murdered. I believe the US has done a good job of having laws that set a minimum expectation of civility, while still allowing great freedoms.

BgMc31 - I only quoted you to agree.

[JJ78]

There are a lot of countries to the south that apreciate someone with cash and that is fluent in the language. And they like you even more if you actually contribute something to the area. These places are more stable than the place I am now. But I dont expect anyone in this thread to understand because you guys have blinders on.

Everyone in the government and mainstream media says everything is all good and it is actually getting better.

Have ya ll even looked at what is going on in Japan. They are abandoning the nuclear facilities and it is dumping radioactive material into the Pacific. But I guess that dosent matter it wont affect us. it is safe, just like the oil in the gulf.

Please open your eyes. You all seem like fairly intelligent people. you do not have to look far to see through the bullshit.

[zabster151]

[zabster151]

the fact that you people on here cant see this is government bullshit.

you should get your heads checked..its so easy to they are just ****ing with people.

[zabster151]

we got another one man they love little kids.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/tsa-grop...ed-mother.html

[songdog]

Yeah and only 2 planes hit the towers.So wats that say for TSA.America will never be the same.No matter wat the cost.Get use to it.

[LatissimusaurousRex]

There's also BS in the media, and it seems you're having trouble looking through it. Also, regardless of whatever "government bs" you're talking about and regardless of how many tsa videos are posted all points I raised earlier are still valid.

[Panzerfaust]

Everyone thinks its bullsh1t until the next thing happens.Then everyone runs around saying we shouldve did this or we shouldve did that.We as Americans cant let our guard down.Our problem here is we dont like to be delayed.Well guess wat times are changing.Those people who are trying to kill us.Dont care about nothing but their own agenda.They use our own laws againest us.About the time we think all is well.Something else will happen.I know I would rather have my 6 yr old frisked.Than give those freaks another chance at killing someone.Now if that family dont like wat happened at the airport.They can join the miltary and get in on some of the fighting.

Goddamn that is hilarious.

[JJ78]

So searching a 6 year old girl and old women is not a waste of time and money. Come on guys. How is that making anything safe?

Dont you think that if "terroist" had the means or ability to do something then they would have done it already?

These dudes dont have the money or expertise to do anything in this country. 6 dudes on planes with 200+ able body Americans hijacked 3 different planes with box cutters? Does that sound like sophistication?

No it does not. Absolute bullshit.

[LatissimusaurousRex]

So searching a 6 year old girl and old women is not a waste of time and money. Come on guys. How is that making anything safe?

Dont you think that if "terroist" had the means or ability to do something then they would have done it already?

These dudes dont have the money or expertise to do anything in this country. 6 dudes on planes with 200+ able body Americans hijacked 3 different planes with box cutters? Does that sound like sophistication?

No it does not. Absolute bullshit.

Your first question had already been answered.

Smaller terrorist acts are always being attempted, obviously no one can look into the future and see if there's another large one that's going to happen.

I agree that most of them don't have the money or expertise (not directly anyway) No it doesn't sound sophisticated, and they still were able to pull it off. If you're implying that's all a big conspiracy please save it for another thread.

[JJ78]

what terroist acts are being attempted. The only one I know of is the 20 year old kid that was going to blow up the christmas celebration in Portland.

The FBI sought him out, supplied him with the fake bomb. Total bs.

How do non english speaking arabs get through the FBI and learn how to fly commercial jetliners. And they didnt want to learn to land them. Come on man.

And yes I am saying that 9/11 was a government conspiracy. Why is that so far fetched? Look at how many people have gotten filthy rich off of it. ****ing Bushs were frinds with Osama s family. they ****in lived in Orlando. they were the only ones on comercial jets right after 9/11

his family hated him because he stole a shit load of money from them(Osama) The perfect patsy. Already talked shit on America. These wars alone should show you that it was all planned. ****in a decade of war.

[zabster151]

Yeah and only 2 planes hit the towers.So wats that say for TSA.America will never be the same.No matter wat the cost.Get use to it.

that is a whole other subject. they did hit the buildings but it was not flown by terrorist. it was flown buy are government
since that day Americans are subject to anything the government wants. and are country is dead broke cause of all this

http://www.ae911truth.org/

[JJ78]

what terroist acts are being attempted. The only one I know of is the 20 year old kid that was going to blow up the christmas celebration in Portland.

The FBI sought him out, supplied him with the fake bomb. Total bs.

How do non english speaking arabs get through the FBI and learn how to fly commercial jetliners. And they didnt want to learn to land them. Come on man.

And yes I am saying that 9/11 was a government conspiracy. Why is that so far fetched? Look at how many people have gotten filthy rich off of it. ****ing Bushs were frinds with Osama s family. they ****in lived in Orlando. they were the only ones on comercial jets right after 9/11

his family hated him because he stole a shit load of money from them(Osama) The perfect patsy. Already talked shit on America. These wars alone should show you that it was all planned. ****in a decade of war.

[JJ78]

I bet everyone believs that the Bankers did not know thjat they were about to rape the american people by their predetory lending and direvetives trading.

Watch the Doc "Inside Job" its a new movie out on DVD you will lose all respect for the people running this country So corrupt.

[JJ78]

And by the way I am a Sons of the Revolution My family fougt in the Revolutionary War as well as the Civil War .

And i will tell you what the revolutionary war was bullshit also.

[LatissimusaurousRex]

There's been plenty more than that, but I'm really losing interest in this thread and don't feel like citing them all. Top of my head the time square guy and the guy on the plane with the dud bomb. I'm not saying it being a conspiracy is far fetched. I'm saying none of that matters about airport security. No one's arguing how corrupt the government is. Why's it so hard for you guys to stay on the topic? Take a deep breath, don't get so excited that you just start typing down what comes to your head. Think, read, think again and try and articulate some sort of reasonable thing to say regarding airport security and why it is the way it is. It may help you to re-read what has already been written, a lot of good points made that might answer your questions. Anyway, like I said this thread got pretty stale pretty fast, so I leave you two guys to chest bump and high five over inane bs topics that aren't gonna change no matter how many hissy fits you throw over it.

[zaggahamma]

well at least the voting shows 9-7 ....crazy its not more obvious than that

[junkiescumbag]

911 was a hoax set up by the government to take away our rights