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    Bump-Fire ban is signed

    Today, acting Attorney General Matthew Whitaker signed the federal regulation declaring bump-fire stocks to be an NFA device. The ban takes effect 90 days after publication in the Federal Register, which is expected to take place this Friday.

    With limited exceptions, the Gun Control Act, as amended, makes it unlawful for any person to transfer or possess a machinegun unless it was lawfully possessed prior to the effective date of the statute. The bumpstock-type devices covered by this final rule were not in existence prior to the effective date of the statute, and therefore will be prohibited when this rule becomes effective. Consequently, under the final rule, current possessors of these devices will be required to destroy the devices or abandon them at an ATF office prior to the effective date of the rule.

    If this passes Constitutional muster (or if there is no challenge on constitutional grounds) it sets the precedent for whoever next is POTUS and he (or she) can unilaterally declare anything from all multi-shot firearms to wrist rockets to be NFA devices and they will have precedent to enforce it.

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    Yep, it’s a dangerous precedents. The anti-freedom/liberty lovers out there pick away and pick away at our god given liberties. The USA was formed in to be the exact opposite of what Europe was and how the state and elites know best for the “common,” man. I fear with my generation and beyond, they will move us closer and closer to Europe and a welfare/nanny state of being.

    The funny thing is, the Euros don’t understand just how much the government controls every aspect of their lives. Except for those that move here and see what free enterprise and less than 50% taxation of income is like.

    Of course I guess the French are on the verge of Revolution again. May the EU die a swift death.
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    Someone should tell them to include the fostec echo trigger as well.

    And also belt loops, and if you hold your rifle at waist level too.

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    Alright, I am 100% pro gun. I don't think this should pass.
    But please don't pull some shot like "if they pass this then they can ban wrist rockets." Bumpstocks and wrist rockets are two completely unrelated things. Those are some left tactics. Don't stoop to their level. Or at least show me a picture of a wrist rocket with a bump stock (the most badass wrist rocket of all time)

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    Oh wow...
    You mean trump isnt the die hard conservative he was made out to be?


    I am free because I am an enemy of the state. A goddam criminal. If you arent a criminal, you are not any more free here than in europe.

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    And wtf is a wrist rocket?
    Sounds like a mastrubation device.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Couchlockd View Post
    Someone should tell them to include the fostec echo trigger as well.

    And also belt loops, and if you hold your rifle at waist level too.
    Why would anyone mess with a bump stock when its so easy to get a class 3 and the real deal?
    I mean if being legal is something they are concerned about... Why not get real full auto, legally?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Obs View Post
    And wtf is a wrist rocket?
    Sounds like a mastrubation device.
    Lol right?
    It's a sling shot

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoldMyBeer View Post
    Lol right?
    It's a sling shot

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    Well shit... Here I was getting excited to get my freak on.
    This is the worst news since I found out they banned bump stocks.
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    ATF estimates there might have been as many as a little over half a million of them sold. No one is addressing how this ruling DOES NOT violate the 14th Amendment right to Due Process of all those buyers, especially since the ATF previously had published two separate rulings confirming they WERE NOT an NFA device.


    The NRA already has bailed on this one so we're probably well and truly gefukt.

    A life membership in the NRA was the worst firearms-related money I've ever spent. Once you've taken the big bite they only ramp up their marketing and membership upgrade solicitations because they smell deep pockets. This ignores the fact that solicitations largely are wasted on anyone who has bought a life membership because they've already demonstrated a willingness to support the cause, and they probably would upgrade their life membership without prodding if they thought there was a point. The worst part is, the only real leverage you have against them -- a threat to resign your membership -- loses its teeth once you're a lifer because they don't care, they done got your money.

    Any organization -- the NRA included -- will get fat, lazy and inefficient if they have the market cornered and don't even have to work for it. That is where this lot are now. They need a serious shake-up so they have to work for a living again.

    The current NRA president supported Bill Klinton's AWB. A previous president (Chuck Heston) supported the 1968 GCA. With people like these steering the NRA, who needs Sarah Brady, Chuck-U Schumer and Nancy Pelosilly? Organizations like the Second Amendment Foundation, Gun Owners of America and Jews For The Preservation of Firearms Ownership (yes, they take gentiles) could get a lot more traction and further advance the cause if the NRA weren't sucking up all the oxygen from the 2A/RKBA ecosphere.

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    Alright, I am 100% pro gun. I don't think this should pass.
    But please don't pull some shot like "if they pass this then they can ban wrist rockets." Bumpstocks and wrist rockets are two completely unrelated things. Those are some left tactics. Don't stoop to their level. Or at least show me a picture of a wrist rocket with a bump stock (the most badass wrist rocket of all time)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beetlegeuse View Post
    ATF estimates there might have been as many as a little over half a million of them sold. No one is addressing how this ruling DOES NOT violate the 14th Amendment right to Due Process of all those buyers, especially since the ATF previously had published two separate rulings confirming they WERE NOT an NFA device.


    The NRA already has bailed on this one so we're probably well and truly gefukt.

    A life membership in the NRA was the worst firearms-related money I've ever spent. Once you've taken the big bite they only ramp up their marketing and membership upgrade solicitations because they smell deep pockets. This ignores the fact that solicitations largely are wasted on anyone who has bought a life membership because they've already demonstrated a willingness to support the cause, and they probably would upgrade their life membership without prodding if they thought there was a point. The worst part is, the only real leverage you have against them -- a threat to resign your membership -- loses its teeth once you're a lifer because they don't care, they done got your money.

    Any organization -- the NRA included -- will get fat, lazy and inefficient if they have the market cornered and don't even have to work for it. That is where this lot are now. They need a serious shake-up so they have to work for a living again.

    The current NRA president supported Bill Klinton's AWB. A previous president (Chuck Heston) supported the 1968 GCA. With people like these steering the NRA, who needs Sarah Brady, Chuck-U Schumer and Nancy Pelosilly? Organizations like the Second Amendment Foundation, Gun Owners of America and Jews For The Preservation of Firearms Ownership (yes, they take gentiles) could get a lot more traction and further advance the cause if the NRA weren't sucking up all the oxygen from the 2A/RKBA ecosphere.


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    Quote Originally Posted by HoldMyBeer View Post
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    Next person makes me get the dictionary...
    LMAO! Dude said repeat after me. I was just following instructions

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    Listen, I get why trump did it. It’s to get deAls elsewhere from the Dems. And any gun guy knows bump stocks are shit anyway. HOWEVER, it’s not about the bumpstock itself. It’s about pealing the gun rights afforded to us by the Constitution layer by layer.

    It’s the long game, it means nothing now but in 50 years. Where will the rights of free people everywhere be? It took Venezuela nearly 50 years to fully ban citizen gun ownership by a progressively socialist and communist government progression and look what happened. They WERE the second richest nation in the Western Hemisphere and the jewel of South American free enterprise. And now, they can barely keep the lights on. On and then pesky guns? Only the communist and those loyal to them own them now. Just like Cuba...
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    Quote Originally Posted by MuscleScience View Post
    Listen, I get why trump did it. It’s to get deAls elsewhere from the Dems. And any gun guy knows bump stocks are shit anyway. HOWEVER, it’s not about the bumpstock itself. It’s about pealing the gun rights afforded to us by the Constitution layer by layer.

    It’s the long game, it means nothing now but in 50 years. Where will the rights of free people everywhere be? It took Venezuela nearly 50 years to fully ban citizen gun ownership by a progressively socialist and communist government progression and look what happened. They WERE the second richest nation in the Western Hemisphere and the jewel of South American free enterprise. And now, they can barely keep the lights on. On and then pesky guns? Only the communist and those loyal to them own them now. Just like Cuba...
    I agree he did it to appease the citizens that are demanding something be done and that is all imho...they had to do something right?...bump stocks where made to shoot bullets quickly but far from accurate..to me its obvious they where not designed for hunting but for fun/sport/mayhem idk...my 2 cents...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MuscleScience View Post
    Listen, I get why trump did it. It’s to get deAls elsewhere from the Dems. And any gun guy knows bump stocks are shit anyway. HOWEVER, it’s not about the bumpstock itself. It’s about pealing the gun rights afforded to us by the Constitution layer by layer.

    It’s the long game, it means nothing now but in 50 years. Where will the rights of free people everywhere be? It took Venezuela nearly 50 years to fully ban citizen gun ownership by a progressively socialist and communist government progression and look what happened. They WERE the second richest nation in the Western Hemisphere and the jewel of South American free enterprise. And now, they can barely keep the lights on. On and then pesky guns? Only the communist and those loyal to them own them now. Just like Cuba...
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    I agree he did it to appease the citizens that are demanding something be done and that is all imho...they had to do something right?...bump stocks where made to shoot bullets quickly but far from accurate..to me its obvious they where not designed for hunting but for fun/sport/mayhem idk...my 2 cents...
    Idk why people make excuses for their candidate. Thats what everyone does and exactly why politicians do what they do every day to use the constitution as toilet paper.

    No he didnt have to do anything. He is a piece of shit like every other out there. You couldn't vote in enough good people to make this country free again.
    Trump is no great messiah, he is a reality tv star that got rich playing off simple people desires, and manipulating them.

    Be honest... If it had been Obama that had done this it would be an outrage and republicans would be kicking and screaming everywhere.
    Unfortunately people will, have, and always will blindly follow a candidate beause of a letter in front of their name, depending on whether it be a D or an R.

    Trump is a bag of dog shit.
    Same as obama.

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    im not condoning anything here obs and I agree with you... all I am saying is I understand there feeling the need to do something...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Obs View Post
    Idk why people make excuses for their candidate. Thats what everyone does and exactly why politicians do what they do every day to use the constitution as toilet paper.

    No he didnt have to do anything. He is a piece of shit like every other out there. You couldn't vote in enough good people to make this country free again.
    Trump is no great messiah, he is a reality tv star that got rich playing off simple people desires, and manipulating them.

    Be honest... If it had been Obama that had done this it would be an outrage and republicans would be kicking and screaming everywhere.
    Unfortunately people will, have, and always will blindly follow a candidate beause of a letter in front of their name, depending on whether it be a D or an R.

    Trump is a bag of dog shit.
    Same as obama.
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    im not condoning anything here obs and I agree with you... all I am saying is I understand there feeling the need to do something...
    Same here,

    Bumpstocks are pure gimmick. BUT they left binary and enhanced triggers alone. Those make a huge different especially enhanced or light weight triggers for precision at a distance for those that don’t know what they are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Obs View Post
    Idk why people make excuses for their candidate. Thats what everyone does and exactly why politicians do what they do every day to use the constitution as toilet paper.

    No he didnt have to do anything. He is a piece of shit like every other out there. You couldn't vote in enough good people to make this country free again.
    Trump is no great messiah, he is a reality tv star that got rich playing off simple people desires, and manipulating them.

    Be honest... If it had been Obama that had done this it would be an outrage and republicans would be kicking and screaming everywhere.
    Unfortunately people will, have, and always will blindly follow a candidate beause of a letter in front of their name, depending on whether it be a D or an R.

    Trump is a bag of dog shit.
    Same as obama.
    I’m solid R across the board. Lesser of 2 evils I suppose. I have yet to see one that isn’t a fucking sell out.
    I voted purely on the basis of who I wanted to replace Scalia and got lucky with the second pick.
    Trump sucked off the NRA all through the election despite his pro assault rifle ban history. I saw this coming a mile away. Anyone who didn’t was blinded by bullshit.

    I wouldn’t ever waste my money on a bump stock.... just bitching based on the principle of it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MuscleScience View Post
    Same here,

    Bumpstocks are pure gimmick. BUT they left binary and enhanced triggers alone. Those make a huge different especially enhanced or light weight triggers for precision at a distance for those that don’t know what they are.
    That’s because no one with any ability to handle a firearm at a distance has done anything they can make a pitchy slogan out of. Any retard can spray and pray. Not a one of them could tell the difference between a 3.5lb trigger on a match rifle and gritty 8 pounder on a clunky pistol.
    I’m really surprised binary triggers haven’t made it into features tests in certain states.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayd85 View Post
    I’m solid R across the board. Lesser of 2 evils I suppose. I have yet to see one that isn’t a fucking sell out.
    I voted purely on the basis of who I wanted to replace Scalia and got lucky with the second pick.
    Trump sucked off the NRA all through the election despite his pro assault rifle ban history. I saw this coming a mile away. Anyone who didn’t was blinded by bullshit.

    I wouldn’t ever waste my money on a bump stock.... just bitching based on the principle of it.


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    We will be perpetually handed mediocre socialism and watch laws, burea codes, and government grow perpetually. It hapoens slow enough the gullable dont notice. Even if they did they are too fat and lazy to do anything about it.

    Socialism is easier than freedom for the masses.
    Freedom is the duty to take care of ones self. Why would the average pussy choose freedom?

    The collective rules and the collective are those people gymrats can't stand. The fat lazy excuse makers, scoffing at exceptionalism.

    The people who run the country are the same people you see at the gym one week out of the year for their new years resolution. Aka NON-HACKERS
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    I couldn’t agree more. The easier life is for these shit piles, the more complacent they become. Complacency is the direct enemy of excellence. On the plus side, the few of us that strive for more, more money, more muscles and more for our children stand taller as the crowd around us gets shorter.

    While I do feel that on a national level, voting is a pointless exercise, I like to be very involved locally. I know the local politicians, the judge, the sheriff. I coach kids football and am pretty involved in wrestling. I feel that community involvement is where my real value is as a citizen. That said, almost every mediocre fat assed father in this area has something to say as soon as I turn around. If your too fat lazy and stupid to strive for excellence just put down anyone who does.
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    NRA Distances Itself from Bump Stock Ban: Current Owners Should Be Allowed to Keep Theirs

    We are disappointed that this final rule fails to address the thousands of law-abiding Americans who relied on prior ATF determinations when lawfully acquiring these devices. As we recommended to the ATF in our comments on the proposed rule Congress made it possible for the Attorney General to provide amnesty for firearms regulated under the National Firearms Act. The Attorney General should have exercised that authority to provide a period of amnesty under this rule.

    They don't get that. You don't get to agree with the new rule but disagree with its consequences. Whether existing owners get grandfathered in or not is a red herring. If that's genuinely their excuse then they were irresponsible for supporting the ruling in the first place without receiving assurances from the administration that exceptions would be made. Only POTUS bears more responsibility for this clusterfuck than the NRA.

    Besides device owners, they also fucked Slide Fire Solutions, which had assurances from the BATF that the devices they were making were NOT an NFA device and were 100% legal. They spent their own capital on device R&D, and continued to spend profits on R&D refining their product (and expanded their product lines) all the time it was being manufactured. They were a going concern posting profits of more than half a million dollars a year. But they closed shop last June because they could see what was coming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MuscleScience View Post
    ...[T]hey left binary and enhanced triggers alone. Those make a huge different especially enhanced or light weight triggers for precision at a distance for those that don’t know what they are.
    That's coming, and Trump (and the NRA) have opened the door. Wait until Pelosilly gets her gavel back. Anything that can affect cyclic rate is liable to be banned. Target and binary triggers, lightweight BCGs, certain buffer weight/buffer spring combinations, certain gas tube length/barrel length combinations and all adjustable gas blocks. Greasing the buffer tube increases cyclic rate, as will certain "hi-tech" gun lubes on the BCG.

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    I forgot suppressors. Suppressors also increase cyclic rate (unless you have an adjustable gas block) so they could decide that affixing a suppressor to an EBR transforms it into an NFA.

    The dems will go after anything they can to try to claw back the losses from the Heller decision.
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    A coalition of four pro-gun entities filed suit yesterday in the DC district court against the ATF on grounds of abuse of power, lack of statutory authority, violation of Ex Post Facto principles, and procedural irregularities.

    Gun Owners of America states they will file suit as soon as the regulation takes effect on the grounds it violates citizens' constitutionally-enumerated right.

    From GOA's announcement:
    ...Think the ATF wouldn’t use this regulation to summarily outlaw semi-automatics? Maybe not right now. But you can bet that the first anti-gun Democratic president to win the White House will order the ATF to do so....
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    So we got a GOP majority in House and Senate wit a GOP President and instead of expanded gun rights and suppressors and constitutional carry we banned bump stocks. Good job you fcukin idiots. So over politics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ernst View Post
    So we got a GOP majority in House and Senate wit a GOP President and instead of expanded gun rights and suppressors and constitutional carry we banned bump stocks. Good job you fcukin idiots. So over politics.
    The party means nothing. Its just a means to divide people into two groups and keep them easy to control. Keep them focused on hating each other and cheering for their candidate rather than see that they are fucking slaves to the government.
    There are more laws and codes licenses and permits in the US than anywhere on earth and we got a bunch of retards calling it the most free country....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Obs View Post
    The party means nothing. Its just a means to divide people into two groups and keep them easy to control. Keep them focused on hating each other and cheering for their candidate rather than see that they are fucking slaves to the government.
    There are more laws and codes licenses and permits in the US than anywhere on earth and we got a bunch of retards calling it the most free country....
    Anyone to call this country "free" needs to re-check their mental health.

    We can't even speak freely without being judge , punished or imprisoned.
    This country is and has been outbid wack forever and yet people still come here to be "free" ... Free of what exactly.

    Everything we say or do is watched or monitored.
    That In itself is a crime but the government can do whatever the fuck they want because we as the people who pay taxes are too pussy shook to fight against it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beetlegeuse View Post
    That's coming, and Trump (and the NRA) have opened the door. Wait until Pelosilly gets her gavel back. Anything that can affect cyclic rate is liable to be banned. Target and binary triggers, lightweight BCGs, certain buffer weight/buffer spring combinations, certain gas tube length/barrel length combinations and all adjustable gas blocks. Greasing the buffer tube increases cyclic rate, as will certain "hi-tech" gun lubes on the BCG.

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    I forgot suppressors. Suppressors also increase cyclic rate (unless you have an adjustable gas block) so they could decide that affixing a suppressor to an EBR transforms it into an NFA.

    The dems will go after anything they can to try to claw back the losses from the Heller decision.
    You are too intelligent for the Dems and repubs bullshit. It has nothing to do with Dems or Repubs. It's Trump. He's a fucking small dicked orange business man.

    He cares about what benifit him, and him only. He may paint his actions as "being for America" or a certain group of people. But that's classic example of "pissing down our backs and telling us it's raining at the same time blowing smoke up our asses"

    I know, I know Hillary would be no better and Obama created isis.

    SMH....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Couchlockd View Post
    You are too intelligent for the Dems and repubs bullshit. It has nothing to do with Dems or Repubs. It's Trump. He's a fucking small dicked orange business man.

    He cares about what benifit him, and him only. He may paint his actions as "being for America" or a certain group of people. But that's classic example of "pissing down our backs and telling us it's raining at the same time blowing smoke up our asses"

    I know, I know Hillary would be no better and Obama created isis.

    SMH....
    Bro at this point Isis is rainbows and color sprinkles compared to where our government is

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrisp83TRT View Post
    Bro at this point Isis is rainbows and color sprinkles compared to where our government is

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    That last sentence was purely sarcasm.

    Those are the responses trumpers use when all DT's shortcomings and lies are pointed out .

    Obama created isis (yeah fucking right)
    Hilary and emails and uranium ore dealings.

    Just to point out the uranium or thing you know how far from being usable weapons-grade uranium, uranium ore is?

    Uranium ore contains like 0.3% uranium and that has to be extracted it's like 36 steps away from being usable weapons-grade uranium in the amount of or needed to make one bomb is outrageous
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    I know some very rich people very well. I helped make them rich.
    They give zero shits about politics, but all their employees were diehard conservatives which was obvious.

    Sooo once in a while when everyone was at the same place they would appeal to their employees with their kinda politics and bitch about democrats or praise a conservative. This was merely to make the employee say, "Oh my employers are good ol down to earth people."
    This strengthened a bond and made the simpletons work all the harder, trying to impress their employers.

    Such is the nature of every politician. Get simple people on your side.

    How would you get a collective of over 50% of people on your side? By only giving them two options, yes or no.

    This makes everything black and white for the voters.
    You will never get just black or just white.
    You will get the mix of the two which is gray.

    It does not matter who you vote for, you will get the same outcome. You will get gray every time, which will always create a stronger government, more taxes, more socialism, and less individual rights according to said government.

    The polarity today is fabricated by media.

    Issues that are not issues are created such as racial inequality, sexism, distribution of wealth, gun control,
    homosexual rights, gender fluiduty.....

    We were set up on a system that was supposed to see things in black and white terms.
    Constitutional or unconstitutional? Yes or no?

    Now the system makes everything gray and the citizens see things as black and white, yes or no.

    The masses were never supposed to be able to have an opportunity to vote away others rights.
    Now it is not only allowed, it is encouraged with every bit of the shit propoganda on the news and used as a tool for the candidates, whether it be trump, clinton, Obama, or bush.
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    Bump stock ban opens the door for literally anything to be declared to be a ‘machine gun’

    ...This is the ATF making law. Not writing a regulation or deciding how to enforce a law through regulatory power. This is making law. This is such an incredibly dangerous precedent and if this is allowed to stand then a hostile administration can use this same power to literally declare almost anything a ‘machine gun’.

    When the standard is, ‘its a machine gun if we say its a machine gun’ then what is stopping them from again changing the language for the definition of a ‘machine gun’? What is stopping them from declaring all semi-automatic firearms to be machine guns? What is stopping them from declaring any gun that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine to be a machine gun? What is stopping them from declaring anything that can be fired more rapidly than a muzzle loader to be a machine gun?

    This is a pivotal crossroads for the right to keep and bear modern firearms.

    Rolling Stone: “Why Isn’t the NRA Screaming About the Bump Stock Ban?”

    Gun owners: ‘Trump stabbed us in the back’

    Can Heller save bump stocks? Estimated 520,000 in circulation…

    New language is added to the end of the current definition of a machine gun

    Analyzing the Bump-Stock-Type Devices Rule Technical Flaws

    Facebook bans pro bump stock commentary

    Pro-gun groups file lawsuit over Trump Bump Dump

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    Trump's Bump Stock Ban Shows Once Again He Is Happy to Ignore Inconvenient Laws
    The administration usurps Congress by redefining machine guns.

    ...As Joshua Prince and Adam Kraut, lawyers representing the Firearms Policy Coalition, noted in comments on the rule, the DOJ's "interpretative jiggery-pokery" is "pure applesauce." It not only is inconsistent with what everyone previously understood the law to mean, but it arbitrarily targets certain products when the DOJ's reasoning would cover all manner of jury-rigged setups that make bump fire possible. "An individual does not require a bump-stock device in order to bump-fire a factory semi-automatic firearm," Prince and Kraut write. "ATF readily acknowledges that bump-firing can be lawfully achieved through the 'use [of] rubber bands, belt loops, or [to] otherwise train their trigger finger to fire more rapidly,' in a clear statement of its intent to unequally apply the law."

    Given those alternatives, not to mention the tradeoff between speed and accuracy for shooters using bump stocks, it is doubtful that banning them will have any noticeable impact on the lethality of mass shootings....
    In support of his point (and in case you didn't know), infantry soldiers in the US army are armed with a select-fire weapon (meaning it will rock-n-roll but it also will fire semi-automatic) but the grunts are forbidden to use them in full auto mode under ordinary circumstances. Why? BECAUSE YOU CAN'T HIT SHIT. The weapon is shaking all the time and screwing up your cheek weld and sight picture. You're just prayin' and sprayin', which is not an effective tactic. The Army even tried to cure that problem with the M-16A2 by removing the full-auto setting and adding a 3-round burst setting. That way you still might hit something with at least one bullet out of three. But that failed because they trigger control group was a shitty design that had too many quirks and they abandoned the 3-round burst when they moved on from the A2.

    ARs with bump-fire stocks are even worse because you have to manipulate the weapon in a certain manner to make the stock perform as intended and designed. You have to pull forward on the forearm with the off-hand while at the same time pulling back on the ledge on the stock adjacent to the trigger with the shooting hand, like you were playing some half-assed trombone. So in order to keep the gun running, you have to focus on keeping it stretched out as much as you can rather than focusing on the eight steady-hold factors.

    So one nut job uses bump-fire stocks for a mass shooting and everybody wants 'em banned. Which is all based on the assumption that the incident was deadlier because of bump-fire. But there is exactly zero evidence to support that belief.

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    Trump is officially the worst president ever.

    He is worse than Obama.

    He has circumvented legislative process the same way obama caught shit for and done something no democrat could have gotten away with.

    Just keep kissing that ass for your political party.


    Ffs people are so blind!

    Thanks for the fucking multibillion dollar wall that will be abandoned on the next presidency you bag of shit. How about them tax breaks!
    The part of that fucking wall that is built will have 50,000 libs dancing on it in a couple years, pretending they just toppled the berlin wall. They will all be singing kum bay yah about their "Change" too.

    Yay trump! Its change! Make America great again!

    I dont have words to describe just how ignorant the masses are.

    Circle jerking morons

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beetlegeuse View Post
    Trump's Bump Stock Ban Shows Once Again He Is Happy to Ignore Inconvenient Laws
    The administration usurps Congress by redefining machine guns.



    In support of his point (and in case you didn't know), infantry soldiers in the US army are armed with a select-fire weapon (meaning it will rock-n-roll but it also will fire semi-automatic) but the grunts are forbidden to use them in full auto mode under ordinary circumstances. Why? BECAUSE YOU CAN'T HIT SHIT. The weapon is shaking all the time and screwing up your cheek weld and sight picture. You're just prayin' and sprayin', which is not an effective tactic. The Army even tried to cure that problem with the M-16A2 by removing the full-auto setting and adding a 3-round burst setting. That way you still might hit something with at least one bullet out of three. But that failed because they trigger control group was a shitty design that had too many quirks and they abandoned the 3-round burst when they moved on from the A2.

    ARs with bump-fire stocks are even worse because you have to manipulate the weapon in a certain manner to make the stock perform as intended and designed. You have to pull forward on the forearm with the off-hand while at the same time pulling back on the ledge on the stock adjacent to the trigger with the shooting hand, like you were playing some half-assed trombone. So in order to keep the gun running, you have to focus on keeping it stretched out as much as you can rather than focusing on the eight steady-hold factors.

    So one nut job uses bump-fire stocks for a mass shooting and everybody wants 'em banned. Which is all based on the assumption that the incident was deadlier because of bump-fire. But there is exactly zero evidence to support that belief.
    The argument of full auto m16 not being able to hit shit is fluff.

    The way a AR pattern rifle is balanced and buffered makes full auto groups easy.

    It's a nice argument for gun nuts to use to justify full auto, but it's an invalid argument in the case of the AR pattern.

    Now a tech 9, Mac 10, m14
    Yeah good luck after first shot.

    BTW, I'm a gun nut, but I choose to use valid arguments.

    I want full auto cuzz it's cool. Plus full auto weapons will be in the hands of legal responsible gun owners, not your average geek off the street

    I literally have shot a full auto ar. Pretty easy to keep everything center mass at 75 -100 feet.

    I watched iraqveteran8888 YouTube channel out 3 drums in 10" at 25 yards with an sbr ar15 full auto.
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    And the NRA is taking a victory lap, claiming they only allowed bump-fire stocks to be sacrificed to the anti-gunners for the preservation of binary triggers and the like.
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    Legal Brief on the Bump-Fire stock ban


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    Quote Originally Posted by Beetlegeuse View Post
    And the NRA is taking a victory lap, claiming they only allowed bump-fire stocks to be sacrificed to the anti-gunners for the preservation of binary triggers and the like.
    I've been saying this for years. The NRA is an organization that will eventually let shit get taken away
    One of my best friends is actually in his 20s and just doesn't have the life experience to understand nothing will change
    We have argued about this shit tons of times and he still thinks Trump will change gun laws and make NFA items fully legal
    Hahaha, I've been laughing ever since Trump was elected. There's no way in hell anytime soon we will see legal NFA items being sold like candy

    Some people just don't understand, you're a slave, another cog in the machine born into the system. They control you and your rights. None of this shit will ever change and the system will continue taking away your rights. They'll never stop and it will continue happening unless the nations people (slaves) open up their third eye and realize whats been going on for years in this country and all over the world
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    From the Zalman Partisans:

    Screw you, NRA

    December 22, 2018 Carl Bussjaeger

    The NRA has released a Statement on Bump Fire Stock Rule. Feel free to read it, but I can paraphrase their five paragraphs in a few words:

    Don’t blame us. We only wanted regulation under the NFA, registration, taxes, and a ban on new stocks. And our compromise saved us from other bans. Let’s work together.

    The preemptive surrender monkeys of the NRA asked for the ATF to regulate bump-fire stocks as National Firearms Act items. They asked for this as nearly the entire politico-media industrial complex was saying that bump-fire stocks turn semiautomatic rifles into machineguns.

    And just in case it wasn’t clear enough, the NRA told them: “The NRA believes that devices designed to allow semi-automatic rifles to function like fully-automatic rifles should be subject to additional regulations.”

    Does that language sound familiar?

    What type of NFA item did the NRA think the ATF would call them? I recall when the NRA helped draft a city “assault weapon ban” and similarly claimed they were preventing something worse. It didn’t. And the NRA version even banned SKSs with fixed ten-round magazines.

    Capitulating on “bump-fire stocks turn guns into machineguns” before anyone even entered a bill merely signalled to the gun control crowd that they’re fair game, and open season. It told their pet RINOs that they would not be held responsible for human/civil rights infringement. Semiauto ban bills were then entered.

    The NRA claims there could have been an amnesty for existing bump-fire stocks, as provided for in the Gun Control Act of 1968, and gives an example from 1981. Apparently they completely forgot their complicity in the Firearms Owners Protection Act of 1986 that completely closed off any possible amnesty for anything built or imported after the May 1986 deadline. (For that matter, the NRA was complicit in the NFA, claiming it would have been worse without them caving on militia grade weapons for militia members.)

    If the NRA wanted an amnesty to register existing bump-fire stocks, it had to be through legislation to change the complete ban on new machineguns in FOPA. By going the ATF regulation route, they guaranteed a ban on bumpfire stocks. The Zelman Partisans have been pointing out this problem for months. The NRA didn’t notice until the rule was signed (and the problem of a semi-auto ban because they can be easily converted to “machinegun” with bump-fire stocks, the same way we lost open-bolt semi-autos)?

    The NRA told the ATF to regulate these inert chunks of plastic as machineguns, and then act shocked that FOPA applies.

    Either the NRA is staffed with complete idiots, or it was just another cunning plan to push rights violations so they could then fundraise to “fight” the rights violation. Or buy Wayne a limo; whichever makes him happier.

    “It’s critical that all gun owners unite and prevent the Bloomberg-bought Congress from dismantling our Second Amendment freedom.”
    It is critical for all gun owners to unite. Folks, it isn’t your grand dad’s NRA anymore, and it’s too far gone to ever fix and make into whatever you imagine the NRA once was. The NRA has been doing this for more than two decades. I quit the NRA over it in the mid ’90s. It’s past time to tell them you aren’t buying this load of manure anymore.

    Take your time, money, and effort to someone who will work for you, instead of the NRA which consistently — NFA, GCA, FOPA, GFSZA, Brady, constitutional carry, ERPOs, bump-fire — works against you and your rights.
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