Feedback on Sustanon 250 cycle

**ScotchGuard** · 09-05-2009, 03:28 AM

I woke up this morning after setting my shoulder last night. Discomfort but not incapacitating pain. I think my shoulder's not seated right. john, if it wasn't for your shoulder story it would never have occurred to me that my shoulder could be out. I made a 90 degree at my elbow and shoved my elbow real hard straight up. Quick and sharp pain. After 30 minutes or so I have mobility back and a LOT less pain. John, I think I have exactly what you had. Would you mind looking through youtube and seeing if there are shoulder stretches/exercises that was taught to you? I'm no Einstein but I think in this particular case I have a better idea about my shoulder than the ortho. I'd like to PT myself back. I'll still see an ortho and go to PT but I'm more and more convinced that I have a shoulder that's out. I say this because I felt my shoulder go numb when I was doing 85lbs dumbbell military press. My right was going up but my left hurt and was numb. If I can keep setting my shoulder I'm staying with light weights and more reps to finish my cycle. I'm highly motivated to finish my cycle but I am definitely open to counsel from those that have more experience.

**kaju** · 09-05-2009, 09:11 AM

I'm not doctor of PT but I do know a little.
The human body is the most efficient machine on earth. that being said the shoulder is the most shitty joint in our body. It is highly prone to injury of many sorts. It can be one of the most debilitating injuries also. The pain can put a man in disability for a while.
There are many muscles and tendons that connect the shoulder from arm to torso. it only takes one of the muscles or tendons to tear or rip to get your joint out of alignment. I'm not even going to go into ball and socket injuries and wear at this point. because It would be too lengthy and I really do not think it applies at this point.
You have major and Minor muscles in you shoulder. the major muscles you can see and the minor muscles which lie beneath the major muscles that are supporting muscles.
if you take you finger and press around you may find the exact place of pain. if you Find a place about the size of a dime it may be something as simple as tendinitis. if it is in the muscle origin it can be a torn muscle. If it is in the muscle insertion it can be a torn ligament. In either of the cases it is going to have to be immobilized to heal.
When it heals do not do military presses anymore. in fact do not use fixed barbells for any exercise. start using dumbbells for all exercise. They will make you stronger because they engage the underlying minor muscles and in turn help prevent the injury you have incurred. I could go on and on about this but I believe you get the point now.
as for the question should you stop your cycle only you can answer that.
again go to the doctor and get an ex ray. let him diagnose your problem. do not tell him you are on a cycle unless you just absolutely have to. if you tell him you are on cycle you run the risk of him putting it in his medical report and the insurance company may deny your claim or drop you. Keep that in mind. after your diagnosis come back here and let us know.

**johnsomebody** · 09-05-2009, 04:03 PM

Yeah, I agree. After I had my shoulder thing I spent some time looking at how the anatomy works and it's really amazing that shoulders work at all! It's so complex I don't think there's any way you can diagnose it yourself and I'd highly recommend seeing both a doctor and a PT, like I mentioned before.

I was afraid I'd have to drop working out for a long period of time, even though the problem arose AFTER my last cycle, but the PT said it would be no problem though the doctor almost wrote me off.

As for the stretches, there were a TON of them and the whole routine took almost half an hour a day. Since they were specific to my particular problem I wouldn't recommend you try them -I know I tried the self-diagnosis routine via hours of web research and if I'd followed it all, I'd have never recovered. It was all totally unrelated to my problem.

Esssentially, my brain had trained my shoulder to seat improperly in the socket. Who knew?

**ScotchGuard** · 09-06-2009, 04:26 AM

john and kaju your advice is well noted. I'll go see my doc in a week or so when he gets back from Iraq. He'll probably send me over to a specialist who then will send me over to a PT. I've been concentrating on my lower body for the last week. I did 600 sit ups in half an hour (20 sit ups/min X 30 min). This is probably a really good time to concentrate on my chicken legs. Hahaha. My legs have become much stronger during this cycle but they're still skinny. I'm kind of at a loss on how to get my legs bigger. My normal quad workout is: 135lbs x 10reps x 4sets for warmup. Squat 225lbs x 10reps x 6sets. Leg press 12 plates (total) x 10reps x 4sets. Leg extension 120lbs x 20reps x 3sets. Then I have a hard time walking down the stairs. If I get bored of this routine I do less weighted sets and do jumping to a bench, one legged jumps, etc. for more of a plyo/cardio workout. But my legs are still pretty skinny. I've been kickboxing for 30 years so I have good control of my legs and can generate a lot of power in my kicks. However, I've never been able to fully harness the potential in my legs 'cause they're not tree trunk legs like some of my training partners. Any secret to building a set of thick beefy legs?

**kaju** · 09-08-2009, 11:30 AM

Sounds as if you are doing it right. these kids of things just take a while.
I too have been kick boxing and martial arts for the past thirty years.
My legs are not where I would like them. I think my legs are too skinny for the rest of my body. I don't know if it has something to do with our thirty years of training of if we are just both not genetically gifted in that area.

**ScotchGuard** · 09-09-2009, 03:43 PM

I've been really babying the shoulder and spending about 30 minutes daily on shoulder exercises I learned on YouTube. My shoulder feels a lot better but too early to lift on it. The acne is still there. I still look like a leper but not many new acne showing up.

Been concentrating on legs and abs. Squats 135lbs x 10reps x 4sets for warm up. 225lbs x 10reps x 6sets. Leg press 12plates (total) x 10reps x 3sets. Leg extensions 120lbs x 20reps x 3sets. Squat jumps 10reps x 4sets. Sit ups with 25lbs behind the head 10reps x 6sets.

Everything else on the body feels great. Getting over jet lag now and feeling a little better. It seems like the older I get the harder it is for me to recover from a long flight. I might go to Iraq for a project. Anyone know if gear can be bought OTC? Just as a note, my diet's not been ideal for the last 5 weeks since I've traveling so much. But my stomach is still holding a six pack? I think it's the HGH. I'm not eating poorly but I definitely could be eating more clean. This HGH is helping me keep my body lean even though my diet's not perfect. I'm really curious how much I can keep from this cycle after PCT. I wonder if the HGH/IGF will help me keep more gains over someone that's not using HGH/IGF. I fluctuate between 200lb and 205lbs depending on when I weigh myself.

kaju, thank you for your insightful thoughts, as always. But you're not telling me what I want to hear. You have a lot more experience than I. If you tell me, "Just take xxx gear, eat yyy food, do zzz workout and voila you'll have tree trunk HE MAN legs!" I'd sell my car and get everything I need, set up the couch in the garage just in case the wife gets mad, and totally get on that program. LOL

I did some push ups (300 reps) and my shoulder was a little stiff but after a warm shower, a massage, and a good night's sleep my shoulder feels good today.

**kaju** · 09-10-2009, 11:03 AM

kaju, thank you for your insightful thoughts, as always. But you're not telling me what I want to hear. You have a lot more experience than I. If you tell me, "Just take xxx gear, eat yyy food, do zzz workout and voila you'll have tree trunk HE MAN legs!" I'd sell my car and get everything I need, set up the couch in the garage just in case the wife gets mad, and totally get on that program. LOL

HE HE HE!!! I don't know what to tell you. It sounds as if you are doing everything right.
It all falls down to diet and exercise. You need 11/2 - 2 grams of protein per pound of body weight when off cycle and 2-1/2 grams per pound of body weight when on cycle. make sure it is clean protein. don't go but some cheap stuff at the local grocery store. get some met-Rx or muscle tech and eat fish, eggs chicken and meat. Other than that It sounds as if you are doing the right exercises. just try to get yourself a good pump going and if you are eating right your muscles will grow. Sorry I don't know what else to tell you. good luck

**ScotchGuard** · 09-16-2009, 02:57 AM

I've been working hard at the shoulder rehab. It stinks to injure the shoulder at such a critical part of the cycle. I only have two and a half weeks before I stop the sus and start waiting to start PCT.I've modified my workout so I'm doing heavy legs and light upper body. I've really concentrated on my abs and lower back.

Today was leg day. Squats 135lbs x 10reps x 4sets for warmup. 225lbs x 10reps x 2sets, 275lbs x 10reps x 4sets. Leg press using 1 leg 6plates (total) x 10reps x 4sets. leg extensions 120lbs x 20reps x 4 sets.

Abs - situps with 25lb plate behind the head. 20reps x 5sets. After the 5th set my abs are TOTALLY tight. I've never worked my abs so hard. It's hard to push the abs so hard when my legs are gone.

My shoulder rehab is going well. Spend about 30minutes in the morning doing rotator exercises and shoulder stretching. Just abut twe weekd now and my shoulder feels 100% better. Still some discomfort but the rehab seems to working well. I will start circuit training for the upper body starting tomorrow.

The acne's still the but subsiding. I seem to feel a little more joint pain now.

**ScotchGuard** · 09-19-2009, 09:17 PM

I had to really cut back on the training because of my shoulder. But I've been working light weight and haven't lost much. I'm currently 200lbs, down 5lbs from when I was doing 4 weeks DBOL . I've also not been eating very clean. The picture's a little grainy but I'm still pretty lean. I think it's the HGH and IGF that's keeping me lean. My lower body strength is still good and I will work my upper body back to strength in the next two week. The acne's under control with 10% benzyl peroxide soap. There is one or two new one that pop up in a week but rest are healing.

**kaju** · 09-23-2009, 11:11 AM

your pics are looking really good.! when you finish your cycle you may need to go to a doctor and let him do what he needs. or just lay off and immobilize your shoulder for about a month. I know it would be impossible to not have a shoulder for a month but if the doc has to do surgery you will not have a shoulder for 8-12 weeks. either way it looks bleak. I hope you heal and have good health.

but on the other hand if you did not have the shoulder injury I would suggest get some clenbuterol and take it two weeks on and two weeks off for the anticatabolic effects. it will help you keep your gains and help burn fat as you go through pct. also I would go to your local vitamin store and buy some bulgarian tribulus terestris. take it as directed on the bottle as you go through pct. this will help you keep your gains and help keep your test up . It is not a pct but it does help.

if you do not have to go under the knife. I would ask your doctor to give you another cortizone shot only after you complete your pct. and then I would lay off the shoulder as much as possible. If it hurts DONT DO IT ! ! !

either way it goes good luck

**ScotchGuard** · 09-24-2009, 03:23 PM

Thanks kaju, I have my PCT ready and also clen so I'll get some trib. I've been doing rehab once in the am and once in the pm for two weeks. My shoulder is starting to feel real good. Good mobility and reduced pain. It was a combination of torn rotators as well and slightly stretched ligament. Doc says I should be good to go in 3 months. I'm thinking a couple of weeks.

I'm taking your advice of if it hurts don't do it. I just don't wanna give up the gains of my cycle. While my shoulder's been in rehab I've been concentrating on my abs, core and legs. I'm up to 35 situps with a 25lb plate behind my head or 20 stiups with a 45lb plate behind my head.

I'm working to measure my gains by my body mass index rather than by my strength gain. My training partner's gone from 205lbs 1 rep max on the bench to 275lbs 3 reps over the past 11 weeks. That guy's getting really strong. He even surprised himself today. That Sustanon go juice is real stuff. I'll do a hydrostatic measure of my body mass index at the end of next week. That's 12 weeks of sustanon and the end of my cycle. Then I'll do another one 7 weeks later when I've finished my PCT. I'm curious to see how much gains I'll hang on to.

**Indian Muscle** · 09-25-2009, 03:37 AM

Your photos look impressive especially the 4th pic, I am planning to start my first cycle very soon and you guys can expect some questions from me :-)

**kaju** · 09-25-2009, 07:49 AM

Originally Posted by Indian Muscle

Your photos look impressive especially the 4th pic, I am planning to start my first cycle very soon and you guys can expect some questions from me :-)

we are here to help! Be sure to start your own thread and give us all your stats before you start.

**teknos** · 11-23-2010, 02:39 AM

Originally Posted by kaju

I forgot to mention about water retention to avoid sodium like the plague.
On legg building that sounds good. as long as your knees hold up squat and squat and squat. There is no better exercise for building leggs than squats. this is what seperates the men from the boys. Just be careful at our age. when on the juice you will want to push yourself more than our bodies can hold up.
Pay close attention to what your body is telling you. If you feel one of those twinges that you know isnt right put down that weight fast and regroup. see if it was just some spasm or if you hurt something. if everything is ok start over.
you may want to throw in some lunges. it is not a muscle building exercise as much as it is a muscle strengthening exercise. as your strength encreases you will be able to do heavier squats in turn will make bigger leggs.

I have started taking 5IU of genotropin daily....
I looked into buying sustanon .

Im not sure how much sustanon to take and in which cycle.

pls advise me.

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