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Thread: Deca over 40 years old

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    Deca over 40 years old

    Hi everyone, iam 40 and considering running a deca and test cycle but i have read in a thread that itís impossible to recover from deca if you are over 40 and i doít want to be on TRT
    I have run previous cycles with dbol and test but i try to stay away from orals
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    I don’t recommend Deca for people who cycle on and off. Especially not at your age where you should be (or at least would benefit) from being on HRT anyway. The shutdown from 19nor based compounds is the hardest.

    If you want to cycle on and off your best bet is to use DHT derived compounds. They’re usually the easiest to recover from.

    - Anavar
    - Primobolan
    - Masteron
    - Winstrol
    - Anadrol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zman600 View Post
    Hi everyone, iam 40 and considering running a deca and test cycle but i have read in a thread that itís impossible to recover from deca if you are over 40 and i doít want to be on TRT
    I have run previous cycles with dbol and test but i try to stay away from orals
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    Weight 200 lb
    There is no issue with de sand your age. Iím 53 and use deca. ( and all other 19 norís). You do say that you donít want TRT. Any cycle can lower your test levels afterward. Depends on the individual.
    I wasnít even cycling at your age. I had low test without ever cycling.


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    I have ran 400mg/week deca the last 2 winters for 12 week cycles, along with test 750mg/week. I felt great, & seemed to recover nicely, but the strength def goes down off cycle. (I'm late 40's)
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    Quote Originally Posted by i_SLAM_cougars View Post
    I don’t recommend Deca for people who cycle on and off. Especially not at your age where you should be (or at least would benefit) from being on HRT anyway. The shutdown from 19nor based compounds is the hardest.

    If you want to cycle on and off your best bet is to use DHT derived compounds. They’re usually the easiest to recover from.

    - Anavar
    - Primobolan
    - Masteron
    - Winstrol
    - Anadrol
    Thanks for the reply
    Should i just stick with test and dianabol cycle would it be safer for recovery

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    Quote Originally Posted by i_SLAM_cougars View Post
    I don’t recommend Deca for people who cycle on and off. Especially not at your age where you should be (or at least would benefit) from being on HRT anyway. The shutdown from 19nor based compounds is the hardest

    If you want to cycle on and off your best bet is to use DHT derived compounds. They’re usually the easiest to recover from.

    - Anavar
    - Primobolan
    - Masteron
    - Winstrol
    - Anadrol
    Thanks for the reply
    Should i just stick with test and dianabol cycle would it be safer for recovery even i try to stay away from orals because i had blood test and liver ALT 295ui on cycle

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zman600 View Post
    Thanks for the reply
    Should i just stick with test and dianabol cycle would it be safer for recovery even i try to stay away from orals because i had blood test and liver ALT 295ui on cycle
    Your liver values are going to be elevated while you’re taking dbol , but not enough to worry about. If it makes you uneasy take anavar . It’s the easiest on your liver (and body) of all the orals. However dianabol is far from being a “harsh” oral.

    What are your goals, and what are you looking to get from this cycle? You said mentioned deca and dbol, so I assume you’re looking to add some mass.
    DHB is also good for this purpose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by i_SLAM_cougars View Post
    Your liver values are going to be elevated while you’re taking dbol , but not enough to worry about. If it makes you uneasy take anavar . It’s the easiest on your liver (and body) of all the orals. However dianabol is far from being a “harsh” oral.

    What are your goals, and what are you looking to get from this cycle? You said mentioned deca and dbol, so I assume you’re looking to add some mass.
    DHB is also good for this purpose.
    As far as my goals, i am looking to add some clean mass. I thaught about deca is because i try to stay away from orals but when i did my research i found out the recovery is almost impossible at my age. I am not in a hurry i don’t look for massive gains so quick i just want some clean bulk
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zman600 View Post
    As far as my goals, i am looking to add some clean mass. I thaught about deca is because i try to stay away from orals but when i did my research i found out the recovery is almost impossible at my age. I am not in a hurry i don’t look for massive gains so quick i just want some clean bulk
    MK677 is also a fantastic compliment to any cycle.

    One more question, are you estrogen sensitive or are there any side effects that you seem to get that really stand out?
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    I do think if you are going to do orals, it's much more important at this age to keep bloodwork done frequently. Orals DO raise ldl & lower hdl more so than injectables. Keep an eye on those values. Speaking from my experience.
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    Quote Originally Posted by i_SLAM_cougars View Post
    MK677 is also a fantastic compliment to any cycle.

    One more question, are you estrogen sensitive or are there any side effects that you seem to get that really stand out?
    No i am not estrogen sensitive blood work on cycle estradiol 29.3 normal 0-62
    Side effects than stand out liver enzymes
    ALT 295
    AST 71
    HDL 0.18 normal >0.40

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    Well then why not try something like:

    Week 1-12
    Testosterone - 750mg per week
    DHB - 400mg per week
    MK677 - 25mg per night

    Week 1-4
    Dianabol - 20mg per day

    Week 4-12
    Anavar - 30mg per day

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    Quote Originally Posted by i_SLAM_cougars View Post
    Well then why not try something like:

    Week 1-12
    Testosterone - 750mg per week
    DHB - 400mg per week
    MK677 - 25mg per night

    Week 1-4
    Dianabol - 20mg per day

    Week 4-12
    Anavar - 30mg per day
    The country i live only have access to
    Testosterone
    Deca
    Equipoise
    Dianabol
    Anavar
    Winstrol
    Should i consider EQ
    I only have access to liv52 and milk thistle
    Don’t you think that 12 week orals is harsh on liver

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    Quote Originally Posted by flexin-rph View Post
    I do think if you are going to do orals, it's much more important at this age to keep bloodwork done frequently. Orals DO raise ldl & lower hdl more so than injectables. Keep an eye on those values. Speaking from my experience.
    Thanks for your reply
    I did blood work every 15-20 days while on cycle after 1 week dianabol AST 64
    Afetr 3weeks AST 295 and i stopped immediately

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    As many knowledgeable members have stated, not everyone will have problems with orals & lipid issues. It stands to be reiterated that "this is your body, & do what you can safely tolerate".
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    .....but I REALLY like deca .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zman600 View Post
    Hi everyone, iam 40 and considering running a deca and test cycle but i have read in a thread that itís impossible to recover from deca if you are over 40 and i doít want to be on TRT
    I have run previous cycles with dbol and test but i try to stay away from orals
    Height 6Ē2
    Weight 200 lb
    If you have your heart set on nandralone use npp. Half the problem with deca is the ester in my opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2jz_calgary View Post
    If you have your heart set on nandralone use npp. Half the problem with deca is the ester in my opinion.
    Thanks for your reply
    Npp not available only deca durabolin

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    ALT 295
    AST 71
    HDL 0.18 normal >0.40
    My ALT was up above 2000 before. I think it might very briefly have spiked above 3000. Doctor told me "Your liver's going to fail" on the first day. I pulled through and my liver is fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zman600 View Post
    The country i live only have access to
    Testosterone
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    Dianabol
    Anavar
    Winstrol
    Should i consider EQ
    I only have access to liv52 and milk thistle
    Don’t you think that 12 week orals is harsh on liver
    No, not when 8 of those weeks is Anavar, and you’re running both at a low dose. But it’s up to you. I’m just trying to give you the most bang for your cycle, but you can take 2-4 weeks off in the middle of you wanted to. There’s no rules to this kind of thing.

    If you don’t want to run orals and all you have available to you are Test, Deca, & Equipoise you could do something like

    Weeks 1-16
    Test - 750mg per week
    Deca - 350mg per week
    EQ - 600mg per week

    Weeks 16 - 20
    Test - 250mg per week

    Those last 4 weeks will give the long esther Nandrolone and Boldernone time to clear out of your system while you’re still supplementing some testosterone.

    A lot of the mistake guys make cycling on and off with Deca is that they drop all the compounds at the same time, when deca has a longer esther than the test Cypionate or Enanthate that they were using. So the testosterone clears their system, but the deca is still keeping them suppressed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fluidic Cameron View Post
    My ALT was up above 2000 before. I think it might very briefly have spiked above 3000. Doctor told me "Your liver's going to fail" on the first day. I pulled through and my liver is fine.
    ^^^This. Go get bloods pulled after you close a bar out and see what your liver values are. Oral steroids aren’t going to touch that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fluidic Cameron View Post
    My ALT was up above 2000 before. I think it might very briefly have spiked above 3000. Doctor told me "Your liver's going to fail" on the first day. I pulled through and my liver is fine.
    Those are some scary numbers bro
    Were you on some type of orals

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    Quote Originally Posted by i_SLAM_cougars View Post
    No, not when 8 of those weeks is Anavar , and you’re running both at a low dose. But it’s up to you. I’m just trying to give you the most bang for your cycle, but you can take 2-4 weeks off in the middle of you wanted to. There’s no rules to this kind of thing.

    If you don’t want to run orals and all you have available to you are Test, Deca , & Equipoise you could do something like

    Weeks 1-16
    Test - 750mg per week
    Deca - 350mg per week
    EQ - 600mg per week

    Weeks 16 - 20
    Test - 250mg per week

    Those last 4 weeks will give the long esther Nandrolone and Boldernone time to clear out of your system while you’re still supplementing some testosterone .

    A lot of the mistake guys make cycling on and off with Deca is that they drop all the compounds at the same time, when deca has a longer esther than the test Cypionate or Enanthate that they were using. So the testosterone clears their system, but the deca is still keeping them suppressed.
    Would recovery be possible from deca atherwise rather drop deca and keep EQ i would keep test at 500wk if i go above that i get acne
    Is recovery from EQ possible at 40

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zman600 View Post
    Would recovery be possible from deca atherwise rather drop deca and keep EQ i would keep test at 500wk if i go above that i get acne
    Is recovery from EQ possible at 40
    The recovery thing is completely person dependent. It’s a crap shoot anytime you shut your HPTA down. You may recover completely, you may recover but not at the level you currently are, you may not recover at all. Nobody can really tell you that ahead of time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zman600 View Post
    Those are some scary numbers bro
    Were you on some type of orals
    Tren E 1.2 g/wk
    Dianabol 70mg/day
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    The figure of 1.2 grams is definitely correct.

    Not entirely sure about the dbol dosage but I rmbr that they were unusually strong pills and that I was taking about 7 of them a day. Maybe I have the dose written down on a calendar somewhere. I might have posted that cycle here 6 years ago. Very reckless. I had little to no sense of self-preservation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fluidic Cameron View Post
    The figure of 1.2 grams is definitely correct.

    Not entirely sure about the dbol dosage but I rmbr that they were unusually strong pills and that I was taking about 7 of them a day. Maybe I have the dose written down on a calendar somewhere. I might have posted that cycle here 6 years ago. Very reckless. I had little to no sense of self-preservation.
    That’s a hardcore tren dose
    Dbol over 40 starts to play with your liver enzymes

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fluidic Cameron View Post
    Tren E 1.2 g/wk
    Dianabol 70mg/day
    I wanna kill people at 450mg tren/week
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zman600 View Post
    That’s a hardcore tren dose
    Dbol over 40 starts to play with your liver enzymes

    Simply working out can raise liver values into the supraphysiological level. The only way to get true values is to take about 10 days off from workouts prior to blood work.

    Re Deca and shut down. The level of intenet dogma regarding shut down and deca is amazing. Shut down is shut down. Doesn't matter if it's from test, which can take several weeks, to deca which is pretty much immediate, think one injection. Restarting your HPTA is always a crapshoot. Drugs involved don't matter nor does being 40 years old. Just be sure to get solid blood work before you proceed. Make sure it includes LH and FSH.

    And as always, take liver support.
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    I have recently ran across an HRT clinic that actually offers Deca (in addition with test, of course) for those with sore joints.

    This is all from doctor's care and Rx, so if complete shutdown of those over 40 was a real concern, you'd think they wouldn't be pushing it??

    Then again, I have another question about said clinic that I'm going to post in the HRT forum.

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