deadlift

**BgMc31** · 02-10-2011, 12:32 AM

Originally Posted by n00bs

So its best when you first start deadlifting to use straps?

What logic is that...

This is about the OP he is asking about a deadlift like a begginer.. a begginer isnt one of your d1 football prospects.

I dont care what you do, its irrelivent.

So the best bet is use straps on deadlifts and work on girp seperatley for a begginer? Wtf... Get off your high horse.

Stop backtracking...remember what you posted? STRAPS = WEAK!!! Is that not what you posted? Hmmmmmmm. I'm not on my high horse. Obviously I have experience training athletes and from what I've found using straps don't hinder these athletes. D1 prospects or not. Plus remember a D1 prospect is usually a beginner in the weight room. Usually with less than 2yrs of training.

Here's the reasoning behind using straps: the small muscles in the hands tax much more quickly than the larger muscles used for deadlifting. So in that respect usually when doing sets of 5 or more reps, your grip will fail before your larger muscles of the back and legs, thus limiting your deadlift potential and maximizing your muscle gains for the lift. Now when doing singles or maxing out, it's not necessary to use straps because grip failure shouldn't enter into the equation. Realize also that your grip is used on every other lift in the weight room so it gets plenty of work.

**dec11** · 02-10-2011, 10:23 AM

Originally Posted by BgMc31

Stop backtracking...remember what you posted? STRAPS = WEAK!!! Is that not what you posted? Hmmmmmmm. I'm not on my high horse. Obviously I have experience training athletes and from what I've found using straps don't hinder these athletes. D1 prospects or not. Plus remember a D1 prospect is usually a beginner in the weight room. Usually with less than 2yrs of training.

Here's the reasoning behind using straps: the small muscles in the hands tax much more quickly than the larger muscles used for deadlifting. So in that respect usually when doing sets of 5 or more reps, your grip will fail before your larger muscles of the back and legs, thus limiting your deadlift potential and maximizing your muscle gains for the lift. Now when doing singles or maxing out, it's not necessary to use straps because grip failure shouldn't enter into the equation. Realize also that your grip is used on every other lift in the weight room so it gets plenty of work.

yep, its important to point out tht repping is diff from maxes. i myself havent ever used straps in 18yrs and never will, but i can see the logic behind using them for reps. i have never repped above 8 with deads always low and heavy. so with tht said, straps prob have their place in a diff training style.
strappers and non strappers can live together in peace lol

**fishizzle0927** · 02-10-2011, 12:06 PM

just becuase maybe you suffer from a weak grip doesnt mean your back should suffer too. i prefer to use the straps for isolation movements so i can really lock in on the form aspect of the excersize.....

**BgMc31** · 02-10-2011, 03:29 PM

I totally agree with you Dec. I, by no means, am saying people HAVE to use straps in training. What I was answering was the absurd notion that using straps makes you weak.

**n00bs** · 02-10-2011, 03:52 PM

I didn't say using straps make you weak. beginners rely on straps end up weak..

If you need straps to pull 200lbs your weak

**BgMc31** · 02-10-2011, 04:09 PM

Originally Posted by n00bs

STRAPS = WEAK

I dont care what you say.. If you cant hold it you cant hold it.. Grow some balls and get your grip going.

Lift raw like a man

You were saying....

**n00bs** · 02-10-2011, 05:46 PM

Yes I was talking to the op, regardless of what you or the rest of the world does that is what is best for him currently.
As a beginner this is what he should be doing.

Go o a commercial gym and watch the 200lbs deadlifts with straps hilarious.

**BgMc31** · 02-10-2011, 05:53 PM

Never seen anyone deadlift 200 with straps. What's hilarious to me is when people curl using straps...now that's funny!

**n00bs** · 02-10-2011, 06:28 PM

Originally Posted by BgMc31

Never seen anyone deadlift 200 with straps. What's hilarious to me is when people curl using straps...now that's funny!

That's possible? Lol..

I think there was a misunderstanding before.

All training tools have a place at the right time.

However I honestly believe using straps in the beginning without pushing through your grip barriers is a big
Mistake.

**BgMc31** · 02-10-2011, 06:58 PM

There is no one school of thought. You can believe what you want. I think the misunderstanding between you and I hinges on our definition of beginner and what the OPs original intention of his post were. Neither you nor I know his level. Is he new to the weightroom all together or is he new to powerlifting. So we can agree to disagree on this topic.

**dec11** · 02-11-2011, 08:26 AM

Originally Posted by n00bs

That's possible? Lol..

I think there was a misunderstanding before.

All training tools have a place at the right time.

However I honestly believe using straps in the beginning without pushing through your grip barriers is a big
Mistake.

i believe in this also, ive never ever had my grip fail me on a dlift, if i couldnt lift a big single it was because i wasnt strong enuf, ive a grip like steel. but as pointed out i can see in a high rep instance tht forearms could burn out.

**cro** · 04-22-2011, 06:13 PM

exactly you can never hold the same amount of weight with out straps.my grip wants to give out with high weight.

Originally Posted by BgMc31

Straps are essential. It's the overload. You will never be able to deadlift without straps as much as you would with straps. So your grip is a limiting factor to holding back your absolute deadlift strength. Doing high reps or extremely heavy deads taxes your grip and won't allow you to work the other muscles necessary for a huge deadlift. You're limiting your strength potential based solely on your grip strength. Every single world class deadlifter trains with straps. KK does, Bolton does, Felix does, Poundstone does, Savickas does (those are the top deadlifters in the world).

In other words...DITCH THE STRAPS...LIMIT YOUR POTENTIAL!!! BTW, I've pulled *** (without straps) and I pull with straps for my heavy singles. And my grip is still strong (360lb farmers walk in comp for a 100ft, no issues).

**songdog** · 04-22-2011, 07:43 PM

Never had grip give out before my back.

**cro** · 04-23-2011, 05:53 AM

ive had alot of hand and wrist problems due to being a mason.tendonitis. sometimes my hand locks right up on the trowell.

Originally Posted by songdog

Never had grip give out before my back.

***Doc.Sust*** · 05-24-2011, 08:57 PM

tricky debate here. IMO both sides are wrong. you an use straps here and there but not all the time!

when you max, you dont use straps, if you are a powerlifter, you cant use straps at a meet therefore you dont use straps to max

BUT in training heavy rack pulls or a max rep set, if the only thing preventing you from going heavier with training weight is grip, then yes use the straps!

work with out straps and your grip will get strong. i can deadlift 700 plus with just chalk and 600 plus without chalk. only way i got to be able to do this was not using straps as a crutch and working my grip as well.

you have to know when to use straps and when not to. they do have a place. same with using a belt. i do a ton of work without a belt lifting over 500lb. takes time to work up and become strong enough to do this or anything for that matter. same with grip.

**Slartbox** · 06-10-2011, 06:42 AM

Touch the ground for sure imo
If your a begginer make sure you start slow and make sure your form is good before u start safety first use ya brain

**nilrac** · 06-25-2011, 10:56 AM

Just been getting into my deads (and bench) properly for the past 8 months. Really interesting to read all of this.

So far I've never used straps, belt or chalk. Completely raw. Current bodyweight is sitting circa 195Lbs, but my strength is increasing as I am switching up my training just now! I've got my ORM to 410Lbs currently, (so over double bodyweight) and been repping 374Lbs with a view to pulling 430Lbs next week. Target is 440Lbs+ and I think I may use a belt and straps to achieve that lift.

I am not sure about using straps though as tbh my grip is excellent and it's always my back etc that gives out before my grip (so for me a belt would be more useful for making a big single). That said surely you can isolate your back better with straps as well with a view to strengthening it? And generally as more experienced members have already stated the straps serve their purpose for pulling more weight and therefore breaking down barriers and increasing strength?

Some really impressive lifts mentioned here... 800Lbs+... damn! Good on ya.

**nilrac** · 08-15-2011, 08:42 AM

Done some rack pulls with belt and straps at 430Lbs and set a new PB of 440Lbs the following week with raw deadlift. So I reckon the overload with the straps and belt helped me greatly.

Secondaries: weighted wide grip chins, hamstring curls, squats

**PK-V** · 08-15-2011, 04:34 PM

Originally Posted by BgMc31

Straps are essential. It's the overload. You will never be able to deadlift without straps as much as you would with straps. So your grip is a limiting factor to holding back your absolute deadlift strength. Doing high reps or extremely heavy deads taxes your grip and won't allow you to work the other muscles necessary for a huge deadlift. You're limiting your strength potential based solely on your grip strength. Every single world class deadlifter trains with straps. KK does, Bolton does, Felix does, Poundstone does, Savickas does (those are the top deadlifters in the world).

In other words...DITCH THE STRAPS...LIMIT YOUR POTENTIAL!!! BTW, I've pulled *** (without straps) and I pull with straps for my heavy singles. And my grip is still strong (360lb farmers walk in comp for a 100ft, no issues).

Thank you brother, finally someone who understands!

Straps are not the devil you all make them out to be!

**dec11** · 08-15-2011, 07:54 PM

Originally Posted by Doc.Sust

tricky debate here. IMO both sides are wrong. you an use straps here and there but not all the time!

when you max, you dont use straps, if you are a powerlifter, you cant use straps at a meet therefore you dont use straps to max

BUT in training heavy rack pulls or a max rep set, if the only thing preventing you from going heavier with training weight is grip, then yes use the straps!

work with out straps and your grip will get strong. i can deadlift 700 plus with just chalk and 600 plus without chalk. only way i got to be able to do this was not using straps as a crutch and working my grip as well.

you have to know when to use straps and when not to. they do have a place. same with using a belt. i do a ton of work without a belt lifting over 500lb. takes time to work up and become strong enough to do this or anything for that matter. same with grip.

best advice on this

**randymeans** · 10-29-2011, 01:33 PM

Do switch grip and use chalk IMO....i was 165lbs doing 485 with using chalk and had zero problems! People tend to ignore their grip strength wayyyy to much! thats my opinion

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**largerthannormal** · 11-07-2011, 03:38 PM

if you want to do a dead lift you touch the ground

If you want to do a "RDL" stop when bar gets below the knee caps..

Both are effective both have different results but same movement essentially.

"Romanian dead lift"

someone correct me if I am wrong..

**dec11** · 11-07-2011, 08:54 PM

Originally Posted by largerthannormal

if you want to do a dead lift you touch the ground

If you want to do a "RDL" stop when bar gets below the knee caps..

Both are effective both have different results but same movement essentially.

"Romanian dead lift"

someone correct me if I am wrong..

RDL is just a stiff leg dlift

**largerthannormal** · 11-08-2011, 12:18 PM

yep its considered stiff because there basically no movement which is just the same as the upper portion of a regular dead lift slight bend if anything and drive through the upper leg hamstring and glutes... i still consider a RDL a dead lift with no touch..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqMs5...eature=related

i use them for my glutes n hamstrings.... works pretty well....

but again this is debatiable as the motion is slightly different i guess in my case i use a lil more bend to really power through the hamstrings.. again debatable due to the motion is varied