My SARMs S4 Log

**bass** · 11-10-2009, 02:24 PM

yes, but still something weird still there, as soon as i wake up and when i open my eyes i see three shadows, one on each side and one in front. It’s creepy a little because the shadows on the sides look like little demons wearing black hooded capes...holy shit!

**endus** · 11-10-2009, 03:44 PM

LOL - ghost of SARM.

**charlesriley** · 11-12-2009, 11:00 PM

so since the sarm affects the muscle fibers actual receptors that means other muscles like smooth muscle and non skeletal muscles 2 right?? is this potentially dangerous??

i am seriosly considering taking a sarm and anti estrogen or a anti arom at the same time, whats yalls thoughts on this??? might throw in the few boxes of actual brand name legit market source nutropin pens i have as well after research is done

**toothache** · 11-13-2009, 11:18 AM

Originally Posted by charlesriley

so since the sarm affects the muscle fibers actual receptors that means other muscles like smooth muscle and non skeletal muscles 2 right?? is this potentially dangerous??

i am seriosly considering taking a sarm and anti estrogen or a anti arom at the same time, whats yalls thoughts on this??? might throw in the few boxes of actual brand name legit market source nutropin pens i have as well after research is done

Why are you taking an anti-estrogen or an anti arom with sarms ?

**charlesriley** · 11-13-2009, 02:51 PM

Originally Posted by toothache

Why are you taking an anti-estrogen or an anti arom with sarms?

i know sarms only effect androgen receptors and not testosterone itself but if you take an anti arom and sarm your free natty testosterone will be really high. that combined with better recptor signaling is positive.

**Okinawa_Power** · 11-14-2009, 04:27 AM

Originally Posted by charlesriley

i know sarms only effect androgen receptors and not testosterone itself but if you take an anti arom and sarm your free natty testosterone will be really high. that combined with better recptor signaling is positive.

That is an interesting concept. I might add .5 of letro a day until I finish my cycle. I will let you know how it goes.....I will be posting pictures next Wednesday to gage my progress....

**charlesriley** · 11-15-2009, 12:39 AM

Originally Posted by Okinawa_Power

That is an interesting concept. I might add .5 of letro a day until I finish my cycle. I will let you know how it goes.....I will be posting pictures next Wednesday to gage my progress....

yes plz do , thanks will check for sure

**toothache** · 11-19-2009, 03:24 PM

Bass, have you been keeping your gains?

**bass** · 11-19-2009, 03:29 PM

So far yes, but i haven't worked out in a week because i am doing the blood test tomorrow. i did feel like shit when i stopped working out, my whole body was in pain, not sure what the heck that was! Anyway, i am getting the jitters now, can't wait to hit the gym tomorrow night...

**Okinawa_Power** · 11-19-2009, 11:11 PM

Originally Posted by bass

yes, but still something weird still there, as soon as i wake up and when i open my eyes i see three shadows, one on each side and one in front. It’s creepy a little because the shadows on the sides look like little demons wearing black hooded capes...holy shit!

Bass I have now started seeing the little demons also!!! When you wake up only though.....Strange.....

**bass** · 11-19-2009, 11:53 PM

Originally Posted by Okinawa_Power

Bass I have now started seeing the little demons also!!! When you wake up only though.....Strange.....

aha...so i am not imagining, creepy eh!

**Okinawa_Power** · 11-20-2009, 08:28 AM

Originally Posted by bass

aha...so i am not imagining, creepy eh!

Yes I try to blink them away and it only makes it worse!!!! I don't know what the hell it is!!!!!! Maybe we are going to hell for using S4!!!!!! LMFAO!!!!

**bass** · 11-20-2009, 11:42 AM

Shit, time for confession....

**Okinawa_Power** · 11-21-2009, 06:53 AM

Originally Posted by bass

Shit, time for confession....

At least we will go to hell with some muscles!!!! Well at least you will!!!!!

**bass** · 11-21-2009, 10:37 PM

LOL, then we can beat the HELL out of the devil, eh!

**endus** · 11-22-2009, 07:29 PM

Bass, is your vision back to normal? No more tint, ghost, night vision, etc? How many days did it take to get rid of it completely? Thanks.

**bass** · 11-22-2009, 08:50 PM

yes its back 100% normal, i think it took about two weeks to get rid of all the vision problems.

did the blood test Friday, now i am waiting to get the results, i'll post them as soon as i get them.

**Okinawa_Power** · 11-23-2009, 04:42 AM

Originally Posted by bass

yes its back 100% normal, i think it took about two weeks to get rid of all the vision problems.

did the blood test Friday, now i am waiting to get the results, i'll post them as soon as i get them.

Bass I am glad your vision is back to normal!!! I am 100% confident that your blood work is going to be good to go!!!!

**bass** · 11-23-2009, 11:15 AM

WOW, am i reading this correctly? my test went up...

**bass** · 11-23-2009, 11:18 AM

Originally Posted by Okinawa_Power

Bass I am glad your vision is back to normal!!! I am 100% confident that your blood work is going to be good to go!!!!

Big O, it seems you are correct...

**endus** · 11-23-2009, 11:51 AM

Originally Posted by bass

WOW, am i reading this correctly? my test went up...

Excellent! Do you have the after free also? Probably a better gauge?

By the way, you had a good level to begin with - I'm jealous. I'm thinking that S4 probably didn't do anything to your level but perhaps PCT did (elevated T level and suppressed Estrogen)???

**bass** · 11-23-2009, 12:03 PM

you are probably correct, but the good news is that S4 didn't suppress my test. i was hoping to get the free test but i guess i ordered the wrong package, i am still waiting for my Basic Metabolic Panel blood test results...

**Phate** · 11-23-2009, 02:23 PM

Originally Posted by bass

WOW, am i reading this correctly? my test went up...

did you just get total test run? the problem is that total test isn't the best gauge

btw, i haven't been able to get on here that much due to school, can you tell me how you cycled the S4(dosage and duration)

**bass** · 11-23-2009, 02:46 PM

hey Phate, good to see you buddy.

first week at 75mgs split into three times a day
the rest of 5 weeks 100mgs split into 4 times a day

i did one week of 150mgs but that didn't do anything so i went back to 100mgs. i'll try to do another blood test...

**endus** · 11-23-2009, 04:52 PM

Originally Posted by bass

hey Phate, good to see you buddy.

first week at 75mgs split into three times a day
the rest of 5 weeks 100mgs split into 4 times a day

i did one week of 150mgs but that didn't do anything so i went back to 100mgs. i'll try to do another blood test...

If you're going to do it again to get free test level, see if you could include LH and Cortisol level (if you already have that for your base test).

**bass** · 11-23-2009, 05:39 PM

okay...

**toothache** · 11-25-2009, 10:36 AM

What I've read on sarms , 50mg ed should be sufficient and this would cut down the few sides it has.

**endus** · 11-25-2009, 12:24 PM

Originally Posted by toothache

What I've read on sarms, 50mg ed should be sufficient and this would cut down the few sides it has.

I don't think so - All I've seen, including me at 50mg had same sides as higher dosages. And for me, strength didn't kick in until I've up my dosage.

At 50mg, all I had was the side with none of the benefit. As soon as I've kick it up to 100mg, I saw my strength go up noticeably...

**endus** · 11-25-2009, 12:26 PM

Originally Posted by PaulWalk

hey bass great log!! and thanks for the informative pm!
i was wondering do you think that 50mg of Sarms would be effective everyday or should i do it for 100mg?
the reason for the 50mg is becaus i want ot go on atleast a 8week cycle and if i buy two bottles that would last the run!
also what do you think sarms results if cycled properly witht he adequate calories and protein are compared to a test cycle?
Thanks alot

Bass could tell you otherwise but its very difficult to do 8 weeks on S4. The loss of night vision and other side get bit too much by you hit your 4th week. While strength gain is nice, the vision and subsequent mental health due to the side is hard to maintain for that long.

**bass** · 11-25-2009, 02:33 PM

Originally Posted by PaulWalk

hey bass great log!! and thanks for the informative pm!
i was wondering do you think that 50mg of Sarms would be effective everyday or should i do it for 100mg?
the reason for the 50mg is becaus i want ot go on atleast a 8week cycle and if i buy two bottles that would last the run!
also what do you think sarms results if cycled properly witht he adequate calories and protein are compared to a test cycle?
Thanks alot

Endus is correct on everything he said, but if you are not planning to drive at night for 8 weeks then it shouldn’t be a problem. i know this stuff is expensive, but i highly recommend to plan for a higher dose especially if your doing S4 only. the results with a proper diet can help you burn fat and gain muscles, it did for me.

**elpropiotorvic** · 11-25-2009, 02:39 PM

Bass u da man !!! Good log

Just a question in there ... Is it maybe that It doesn't work at 50mg because nobody gives it time to ?

Has somebody waited 4 or even 5 weeks at 50 mg to see what happens?

Is t maybe something good to do a loading phase of s4

**bass** · 11-25-2009, 02:43 PM

Originally Posted by elpropiotorvic

Bass u da man !!! Good log

Just a question in there ... Is it maybe that It doesn't work at 50mg because nobody gives it time to ?

Has somebody waited 4 or even 5 weeks at 50 mg to see what happens?

Is t maybe something good to do a loading phase of s4

good question, but most of us have no patience

**endus** · 11-25-2009, 03:15 PM

Originally Posted by bass

good question, but most of us have no patience

+1

**toothache** · 11-25-2009, 03:24 PM

Originally Posted by endus

I don't think so - All I've seen, including me at 50mg had same sides as higher dosages. And for me, strength didn't kick in until I've up my dosage.

At 50mg, all I had was the side with none of the benefit. As soon as I've kick it up to 100mg, I saw my strength go up noticeably...

How long did you wait before you increased the dosage? There's a log out there where the guy is doing 10mg with results. I'm sure the results aren't great but nonetheless results.

**endus** · 11-25-2009, 03:56 PM

Originally Posted by toothache

How long did you wait before you increased the dosage? There's a log out there where the guy is doing 10mg with results. I'm sure the results aren't great but nonetheless results.

Its on my log - I believe on my 8-9th day?

Edit: let me quality that - I've up my dosage just to see what happen. I almost stopped at that point due to the side - so I figured few more days won't matter at 100mg. Then I started to feel bit more strength ... and that motivated me to stay on longer. Is it possible that it would of worked at 50mg? Perhaps but I wasn't willing to find out and only have negative side to show for it. There's only so much info available, I guess we're learning as we go.

**Okinawa_Power** · 11-26-2009, 01:00 AM

Originally Posted by bass

you are probably correct, but the good news is that S4 didn't suppress my test. i was hoping to get the free test but i guess i ordered the wrong package, i am still waiting for my Basic Metabolic Panel blood test results...

That is great news Bass!!!! I am glad everything is good to go for you!!!

**Okinawa_Power** · 11-26-2009, 01:03 AM

Originally Posted by elpropiotorvic

Bass u da man !!! Good log

Just a question in there ... Is it maybe that It doesn't work at 50mg because nobody gives it time to ?

Has somebody waited 4 or even 5 weeks at 50 mg to see what happens?

Is t maybe something good to do a loading phase of s4

elpropiotorvic,

I would love to answer that question for you, however I am taking some other stuff with my cycle that increases my strength so I can't give you an accurate assessment. I will tell you that S4 has kept my BF down this bulking cycle and has improved my joints. I am almost done...I have 10 more days and I will be finished.

**Bren** · 11-27-2009, 08:19 PM

Originally Posted by PaulWalk

wat do you guys think s4 compares to test? because at the end of the day thats the whole point of takin it right!?

i'd like to know how you guys would compare s4 to test as well.

**elpropiotorvic** · 11-27-2009, 08:34 PM

Fvck we oughta sign for lab rats.... Things that sarms should get tested for...

Collagen synthesis
testosterone suppression at diff doses 50. 100. 150
curve of effects at the same doses for 8 weeks
and a way to stop the bloody vision to fvck up while on sarms

**Little Herc** · 11-27-2009, 08:57 PM

Has anyone heard of anyones vision not returning to normal. The whole vision thing is kinda scary to me. I dont want messed up eays in 10 years. Main reason why im gonna keep my doses down to 20 to 25mg.