My SARMs S4 Log

**bass** · 12-01-2009, 03:06 PM

finally got my basic blood test, slight improvement but not enough. here is before and after S4 cycle.

**tballz** · 12-01-2009, 03:31 PM

Originally Posted by Little Herc

Has anyone heard of anyones vision not returning to normal. The whole vision thing is kinda scary to me. I dont want messed up eays in 10 years. Main reason why im gonna keep my doses down to 20 to 25mg.

Nope never heard of it not coming back to normal. So at that dosage are you not experiencing any side effects? Are you getting results?

**endus** · 12-01-2009, 07:55 PM

Originally Posted by tballz

Nope never heard of it not coming back to normal. So at that dosage are you not experiencing any side effects? Are you getting results?

Ditto!

**adam15425** · 12-06-2009, 10:43 PM

Originally Posted by bass

you are probably correct, but the good news is that S4 didn't suppress my test. i was hoping to get the free test but i guess i ordered the wrong package, i am still waiting for my Basic Metabolic Panel blood test results...

I have been hearing that it will suppress test in higher doses. I was thinking about running 40mg/day during my pct. DO you think this is a good idea? Not to hijack the thread but I have a dilemma that pertains to using S4

Some advice?

**bass** · 12-06-2009, 11:59 PM

Adam, what you are doing there is way over my head, but to answer your question regarding S4, no one really knows. as you can see mine was not suppressed. However, Phate who ran it up to 225mgs ed, his blood test showed that his was suppresses slightly, i ran mine at 100mgs per day. you may also want to ask Endus, he is done with his S4 cycle and will be doing a blood test to see where he’s at, i think.

**charlesriley** · 12-18-2009, 02:32 PM

hey bass, how your cycles of s4 been lately??

do you think throwing in aromoasin or letro would be benificial with a s4 or ineffectual?

also i say your pics a while back, do you have a recent pic compared to a before s4 pic?? i am ordering on ar-r now.....

**charlesriley** · 12-18-2009, 02:35 PM

anything you think i should know.... right now i am on a cycle of test prop and winny however my cycle ends in 6 weeks and my pct is going to be 2 weeks hcg and letro and nolva this has been a good pct for my brother in the past and we are alike. as soon as pct is over i am doing a s4 cycle.

**bass** · 12-18-2009, 03:09 PM

Originally Posted by charlesriley

anything you think i should know.... right now i am on a cycle of test prop and winny however my cycle ends in 6 weeks and my pct is going to be 2 weeks hcg and letro and nolva this has been a good pct for my brother in the past and we are alike. as soon as pct is over i am doing a s4 cycle.

if you can get Test why bather with S4? in my opinion S4 is good for first timers and for cutting...

**bass** · 12-18-2009, 03:14 PM

Originally Posted by charlesriley

hey bass, how your cycles of s4 been lately??

do you think throwing in aromoasin or letro would be benificial with a s4 or ineffectual?

also i say your pics a while back, do you have a recent pic compared to a before s4 pic?? i am ordering on ar-r now.....

sorry i have no experience with aromoasin or letro...

as for my pic, i am sure i still look the same, but because of my injury i am only cutting at this point, but once i am done I’ll post my results along with pics. BTW, the reason i injured my self is because i was lifting way too heavy than my tendons can handle, basically the strength i gained from S4 still there and i don't think it will go away.

**endus** · 12-18-2009, 09:50 PM

Becareful there with those heavy weight. I'm also running into same situation - luckily I'm able to work through most of them with only minor pain.

I'm still gaining strength even now. I'm up to 9 plate leg press and 3 1/2 plate for squats. After I got my vision back - I'm way more motivated and working out extra hard

**charlesriley** · 12-21-2009, 07:28 PM

Originally Posted by bass

if you can get Test why bather with S4? in my opinion S4 is good for first timers and for cutting...

military.. and dont want to worry about pct if i am overseas or deployed in a war zone.

**charlesriley** · 12-21-2009, 07:32 PM

i just joined btw, and no im not a teen. i think your progress is awesome and i respect the work you are puttin in

**bass** · 12-21-2009, 09:55 PM

haha...okay bro, i understand. well the S4 will definitely give you strength and burn fat, but be careful, if they send you out on a night mission you'll be screwed, you won't be able to see anything. Thanks for your service BTW...

**charlesriley** · 12-21-2009, 11:30 PM

thanks for the recognition and the log as well, well i would be taking a dose that would be effective but maybe one low enough to avoid that side.....i will take supps to support eye funtion. i have 15/20 so i will take lutiene and research otc supps for eye health and funtionality, think that would help??

btw whats the dosage range in your exp and/or research????

**bass** · 12-21-2009, 11:33 PM

started at 75mgs per day, then 100, then 150 for one week then back to 100. i only wanted to see if 150 makes any difference, nothing in strength, only vision side got worse, so in my opinion 100mgs per day is the best, at least for me...

**charlesriley** · 12-21-2009, 11:35 PM

ok will note. will start with 60 probly and move up to 100.

what was it like anabolically on 75?

and vision like on 100??

**Jags77** · 12-29-2009, 06:14 AM

Originally Posted by bass

started at 75mgs per day, then 100, then 150 for one week then back to 100. i only wanted to see if 150 makes any difference, nothing in strength, only vision side got worse, so in my opinion 100mgs per day is the best, at least for me...

just wanted to pop in and say thanks bass for logging your results and findings on this. definitely helpful to many of us considering S4.

i didn't notice in your log, but did you experience any allergic reactions at all such as hives or bumps? Was reading a few other threads and saw that Endus and Poundcake had problems with this.

**bass** · 12-29-2009, 11:54 AM

you are welcome...no other sides for me, only vision problems...

**smegs** · 12-30-2009, 07:05 PM

Originally Posted by bass

WOW, am i reading this correctly? my test went up...

no you are wrong
your test levels decreased, the measurements are in different units
indicative a mild suppression of free testosterone that tends to be common with people due to its mild androgenicity

**adam15425** · 12-30-2009, 09:05 PM

Originally Posted by smegs

no you are wrong
your test levels decreased, the measurements are in different units
indicative a mild suppression of free testosterone that tends to be common with people due to its mild androgenicity

Ummmm NO! ....his total serum test levels were clearly higher ....both measurements were in nanograms per decilitre (ng/dL)
Pre 395 ng/dL
Post 423 ng/dL

**endus** · 12-31-2009, 10:50 AM

Originally Posted by adam15425

Ummmm NO! ....his total serum test levels were clearly higher ....both measurements were in nanograms per decilitre (ng/dL)
Pre 395 ng/dL
Post 423 ng/dL

Did you start your cycle?

**adam15425** · 01-02-2010, 03:20 PM

Originally Posted by endus

Did you start your cycle?

Not yet. Jan 17th. I'll keep everyone updated once I start

**neverenuff21** · 01-08-2010, 12:32 AM

Definitely lookin forward to that. Got me curious as I am on trt as it is.

**MotoLifter** · 01-18-2010, 08:24 PM

Originally Posted by bass

as of last night my vision is back to normal, and still doing heavy lifting, no strength has been lost so far, i am still losing weight (fat), for the last three days I’ve been weighing at 197 pounds...

lookin good man, definately much leaner than the first pics you posted. Nice work!

I'll see if i can get lion to put together an S4/shoe polish combo for you next time to help out with that santa goatee! haha

just kiddin man

seriously though, those picks show some impressive results.

Moto

**bass** · 01-19-2010, 01:38 PM

hey thanks Moto...one day I’ll get rid of my gray goatee when I lose my double chin!

**tballz** · 01-19-2010, 05:04 PM

Originally Posted by bass

hey thanks Moto...one day I’ll get rid of my gray goatee when I lose my double chin!

Ha..that's why i keep my goatee for the time being.

**broken7** · 01-20-2010, 09:46 AM

Originally Posted by toothache

How long did you wait before you increased the dosage? There's a log out there where the guy is doing 10mg with results. I'm sure the results aren't great but nonetheless results.

can you post the link ?

**toothache** · 01-20-2010, 11:14 AM

It was on another board. I will try to find it.

**Marty_4** · 02-06-2010, 04:12 AM

I'm ordering S4 before i go home from work and putting off my cycle till may after thsi report.

Do you run PCT after S4? Do you take teh amount of time off you were on?

Thouroughly enjoyed you're tread Bass.
Thanks and regards
Marty

**Marty_4** · 02-06-2010, 04:14 AM

Also is their any problem with running S4 with Liquid Clen or an ECA stack? Anyone know and DON't Do's with S4?
Cheers boys

**AnimalJ** · 02-27-2010, 10:15 AM

good read Bass, thanks for your log.

**bass** · 02-27-2010, 11:38 AM

you are welcome, also read my blood test thread, i believe it has something to do with S4...

my blood test, very disappointed!

**tballz** · 07-05-2012, 12:00 PM

bump for a great log about sarms s-4

**noon** · 07-16-2012, 08:05 PM

Great read I'm glad you took the time to fill us in.

**toobigforyou** · 07-22-2012, 08:31 AM

Love this log!

**NEO-OEN** · 09-11-2012, 04:48 PM

Great Log, much apreciated!!

**bsny84** · 05-12-2013, 12:01 AM

Bass when I ran s4 i had the same problem it was like i was almost color blind but only at night and as soon as cycle ended and i was out it went right away i wouldnt worry about it to much should subside ...