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    Day 13 and Day 14

    Day 13....I worked Legs:

    V-Squat 245 x 20, 425 x 15, 515 x 10, 605 x 8 dropped down to 425 for 8 reps, dropped down to 245 x 10 reps

    Leg Press: 400 x 15, 600 x 10, 800 x 8, went to super close stance and dropped down to 400 for 3 sets x 12-10 reps

    Leg Extensions: Did 3 Sets from 90-140 to failure

    Reverse Leg Extensions: Did 4 Sets to failure from 70-150

    Lying leg curls: Did 4 Sets from 90-120 to failure

    Abbductions: Did 3 sets from 80-150 reps from 10-15


    Day 14:

    Today was rest day...I only worked Calves and Abs today. Today was the first day I have taken off since I have started....I know this is bad but I have to go to the gym......

    Calves:

    Standing: 225 x 25, 315 x 15, 405 x 12, 495 x 10, 500 x 8 <----Just wanted to feel 500lbs on my back......<------have never used 500lbs before so I know my strength is going up.....or it's in my mind.....who really knows......

    Leg Press calf raises: 200 x 20, 200 x 20, 400 x 15

    Seated Calf Raises: 45 x 25, 90 x 15, 90 x 15, 45 x 20

    Machine Raises one leg at a time: 70 x 20, 90 x 15, 90 x 15

    At this point my calves felt they were going to blow up so I didn't finish my calf work-out.....My last exercise was 500 no weight standing raises x 2.....I was hurting so I didn't do it.

    Abs:

    45 degree incline sit ups: 4 Sets to failure

    Leg raises: These are done like haning leg raises followed by bringing your legs up to your abs...Did 4 sets 10 x 10

    Obliques: 2 Sets 25 reps each side.

    Feeling strong in the gym....My Carb intake has raised again....I am up to 450gms a day for carbs, 325gms protein, 200gms fat......

    Taking 4 caps a day plus 50mg of S4 until next week, then I will begin to taper down on Tren /Stane......Thanks for reading.....

    Side Note: Vision is staying the same....Life has a yellow tint.......Can't stand going from a bright room to a dark room....Really messes up my night vision......

    ****Sorry about the pictures they really do me no justice and the quaility sucked ass....I will take some more pictures next week.......
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    don't use a flash, flash fills all the curves and valleys and it makes it look like one smooth surface, stand directly under a light source and take flash-less photos...

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    I would say you look very cut up for a bulk cycle (really), especially since it looks like you'll be adding near 20lb when done.

    I've seen some of the big guys at my gym on their bulk cycle and most of them just look fat - can't see any muscle. I'm sure most of that is water weight as once they are done, they do get super cut up.

    I do see what you mean by dry look. There's one guy who is bulking and he looks very wet. But again, compared to him, you are very defined which I would assume is super hard to maintain while trying to gain weight!

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    Day 15

    Hello all.....First off I will do what you told me to do Bass for the next pictures. Also Thank you endus for your comments....

    Today I worked Arms:

    Close Grip Bench Press super setted with Push Downs: 135 x 15/110 x 15, 225 x 12/150 x 12, 275 x 8, 210 x 8

    Skull Crushers (Incline Bench): 70 x 15, 90 x 12, 110 x 8

    DB Extensions: 50 x 25, 120 x 12, 130 x 8 at 120/130 after each set I would pick up the 50 and go to failure....

    Dip Machine: 210 x 20, 240 x 15, 270 x 10

    Barbell Curls: 70 x 10, 90 x 8, 110 x 6 followed by 40 x failure

    Preacher Curls with Camber Bar/DB: 45/20 x 15/10, 55/20 x 15/10, 70/20 x 12/10

    Wide Grip Cable Curls: 90 x 12, 130 x 12, 150 x 12

    Cable Curls (Working Peaks): 20 x 20, 20 x 20, 20 x 20

    Peak Machine: 20 x 25, 30 x 15, 40 x 10 dropped to 20 to failure

    Hammer Curls: 30 x 12, 40 x 10, 60 x 8

    Double Arm Hammer Curls: 15 x 20, 20 x 15, 25 x 12, 30 x 10, 25 x 10, 20 x 8, 15 x 10, 10 x 20

    Arms feel really good.......My strength has hit 100% and I am loving it.....Weight is the same at 209lbs, I will increase calories until I start gaining weight again.....I think the S4 is keeping my fat down and also keeping me more defined.........I will continue log and take more pictures next Wednesday...Thank you all for reading..

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    Big O, this is exactly what I believe the S4 did for me, is helped with loosing fat while maintaining or gaining muscle and strength.

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    okinawa, i was going over your routines, and i used to work out like that, well definately not the weight you are using but the amount of sets per body part. I was told i was over trainging so i keep it down between 10-12 sets per. But i feel like i can do so much more especially on this cycle. Whats your opion on this?

    I was wanting to get the most out of this so i took everyones advice that was saying i was overtrainging. Especially when i said i went to the gym 7 times a week. One full day off and one 2x a day. But i even backed off of that now. I still do the 2 a day but ill do just cardio on one half.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goode80 View Post
    okinawa, i was going over your routines, and i used to work out like that, well definately not the weight you are using but the amount of sets per body part. I was told i was over trainging so i keep it down between 10-12 sets per. But i feel like i can do so much more especially on this cycle. Whats your opion on this?

    I was wanting to get the most out of this so i took everyones advice that was saying i was overtrainging. Especially when i said i went to the gym 7 times a week. One full day off and one 2x a day. But i even backed off of that now. I still do the 2 a day but ill do just cardio on one half.
    I say whatever feels good for you! Listen to your body and if you are feeling weak in the gym or tired all the time then it means you are over training. If you don't feel like that and your workouts are good to go then don't worry about it.

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    Day 15

    Worked shoulders today:

    DB Press: 50 x 20, 70 x 15, 90 x 10, 90 x 10 drop set to 50 x 15

    Machine Press: 4 Sets from 190-255 reps range from 15-12

    Side Lat Raises (machine): 4 Sets from 50-110 reps range from 10-12

    Front Raises with Short BB w/weight attached: 30 x 10, 50 x 8, 70 x 8

    Rear Delts (machine): 3 Sets from 60-110 reps range from 15-12

    Shrugs: 225 x 15, 315 x 12, 405 x 10

    Rear Shrugs: 225 X 15, 315 X 10, 315 X 10

    Seated Shrugs: 50 X 15, 70 X 10, 70 X 10

    Upward Rows (Cables): 3 Sets from 70-140 reps from 15-12

    Felt strong.....Should have been pushing more for DB Press but I didn't have a spot so I didn't go up to 110's.......Tomorrow is off day....I will only work Calves and Abs........15 more days until I am done with this cycle then 2 weeks of PCT and on to the M-Drol cyle for 3 weeks....Then PCT for 6 weeks......We shall see what I gain......I will take pictures on Wednesday.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Okinawa_Power View Post
    I say whatever feels good for you! Listen to your body and if you are feeling weak in the gym or tired all the time then it means you are over training. If you don't feel like that and your workouts are good to go then don't worry about it.
    Big O, i like your answer...i can't lift heavy due to old joint, therefore my muscles don't get enough workout, so i do more exercises...it works for me.

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    Day 16

    Read below...double post...internet sucks.....
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    Day 16

    Hello All....

    Today I worked Calves and Abs....Feeling a little lathargic in the gym and also for most of the day....Last night had an anixity attack and could not sleep.....Sleeping has become more difficult due to the amount of Tren I am taking......This is a side of tren.......I have been sweating like a pig in the gym and when I do get to sleep....I mean I sweat so much it looks like I took a bath and just laid down on the bed......Sex drive is still up there, I think this is a side of S4 because when on other cycles at this time I would not even be thinking about sex......I have no appettie....I mean none.......I am forcing myself to eat every 3 hours, but it is hard....It takes me over half hour to consume my meals now.......Another side of Tren/Stane.....I am looking pretty good...Wife has told me I put on more size....However she is my wife and tells me what I WANT to hear.....but she is very honest so.......Legs are getting more veins in them and have grown over 1/2 inch since starting this cycle.....Abs are coming in more and I feel that I am losing more fat around the mid section. Vision on the S4 is the same....Still see the little demons when waking....I don't really care though it is not that bad.....I think if I had more S4 I would up the dose to 100mg a day to really see how far I could push this cycle........Strength continues to raise....I will do Bench, Deads, Squats x 1 rep max this coming week to see if I have gained overall strength......Thank you all for reading......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Okinawa_Power View Post
    Hello All....

    Today I worked Calves and Abs....Feeling a little lathargic in the gym and also for most of the day....Last night had an anixity attack and could not sleep.....Sleeping has become more difficult due to the amount of Tren I am taking......This is a side of tren.......I have been sweating like a pig in the gym and when I do get to sleep....I mean I sweat so much it looks like I took a bath and just laid down on the bed......Sex drive is still up there, I think this is a side of S4 because when on other cycles at this time I would not even be thinking about sex......I have no appettie....I mean none.......I am forcing myself to eat every 3 hours, but it is hard....It takes me over half hour to consume my meals now.......Another side of Tren/Stane.....I am looking pretty good...Wife has told me I put on more size....However she is my wife and tells me what I WANT to hear.....but she is very honest so.......Legs are getting more veins in them and have grown over 1/2 inch since starting this cycle.....Abs are coming in more and I feel that I am losing more fat around the mid section. Vision on the S4 is the same....Still see the little demons when waking....I don't really care though it is not that bad.....I think if I had more S4 I would up the dose to 100mg a day to really see how far I could push this cycle........Strength continues to raise....I will do Bench, Deads, Squats x 1 rep max this coming week to see if I have gained overall strength......Thank you all for reading......
    1/2" on leg is phenomenal. Its hard to get size gain on legs.

    If you have some bold 200 or eq, that should help you with appetite and but probably bit late for that (take couple of weeks to start).

    As for sweating - I think thats also part of S4 symptom. I sweat little normally but I've been sweating like pig - just as you said, drenched. This is very abnormal for me, so I would think its S4.

    Becareful with the strength gain - I'm beginning to feel it in my joints a bit and think I'm moving bit too fast on the heavier weight. Though I'm not advance as you with lifting. Cheers!

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    I agree regarding the sweat is from S4, i mentioned it on my log as well. Congratulations big O, hard work will pay off, keep pumping. i still have 3/4 of S4 bottle, if you want it i can send it to you, its open so not sure how you feel about that. I can’t wait to see your next photos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bass View Post
    I agree regarding the sweat is from S4, i mentioned it on my log as well. Congratulations big O, hard work will pay off, keep pumping. i still have 3/4 of S4 bottle, if you want it i can send it to you, its open so not sure how you feel about that. I can’t wait to see your next photos.
    Bass thank you for the offer!!!!! That is really nice of you and I really appreciate it, however I think by the time it got here I would be done with the Tren /Stane/S4 cycle. Please keep it for yourself and use it when you cycle again!!!!!

    Today I worked Chest instead of back...I want to try to switch it up a little so that is why the change:

    DB Flat Bench: 30 x 25, 120 x 12, 130 x 8, 150 x 6 <===== Yes I hit those ****ers!!!!! No longer scared of them!!!!

    BB Flat Bench: 135 x 20, 225 x 12, 350 x 3 drop set from 225 x 10, 135 x 15

    Decline Bench: 225 x 12, 275 x 10, 315 x 8

    Hammer Strength Bench: 125 x 4 sets x 20 reps

    Pec Deck: 110 x 3 Sets x 15 reps

    Weighted Dips: Body x 15, 45 x 12, 90 x 10 drop set to own body weight for another 8 reps......

    Chest is really coming along, definition and seperation is looking really good. Upper chest is blowing up.....Striations are more visible and veins are really coming through......

    Agression is through the roof......I'm in a bad mood all the time.....I don't feel like leaving the gym and want to keep going.....Tomorrow I will try to pull 550-600 on deads......Wish me luck......Thanks for reading.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by endus View Post
    1/2" on leg is phenomenal. Its hard to get size gain on legs.

    If you have some bold 200 or eq, that should help you with appetite and but probably bit late for that (take couple of weeks to start).

    As for sweating - I think thats also part of S4 symptom. I sweat little normally but I've been sweating like pig - just as you said, drenched. This is very abnormal for me, so I would think its S4.

    Becareful with the strength gain - I'm beginning to feel it in my joints a bit and think I'm moving bit too fast on the heavier weight. Though I'm not advance as you with lifting. Cheers!
    Yes the joints.....I am taking 4000mg a day of Glucosamine to counter my joint pain....The S4 was doing a good job until I started hitting the really heavy weight.......

    As for my appetite I will continue to force myself to eat every 3 hours......Next week I will start eating every 2 hours and try to consume over 7,000 calories a day to start feeding my muscles more.......I am going to double the amount of Carbs that I am taking right now from 350gms to 700gms a day for carbs....I am keeping the protein at 300-400gms a day...As for fats I think I am going t keep them at 100gms a day.....I am thinking this will force my muscles to grow.......Or I will turn into a fat ass, but that is ok....I will lose it all when I diet sometime in April/May 2010!!!!!!!!!

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    Sorry I am on Day 18 not 17......Maybe my mind is going......

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    dude, don't break anything, 600 on deads, holy shit! i hate to get in your way now, LOL...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Okinawa_Power View Post
    Yes the joints.....I am taking 4000mg a day of Glucosamine to counter my joint pain....The S4 was doing a good job until I started hitting the really heavy weight.......

    As for my appetite I will continue to force myself to eat every 3 hours......Next week I will start eating every 2 hours and try to consume over 7,000 calories a day to start feeding my muscles more.......I am going to double the amount of Carbs that I am taking right now from 350gms to 700gms a day for carbs....I am keeping the protein at 300-400gms a day...As for fats I think I am going t keep them at 100gms a day.....I am thinking this will force my muscles to grow.......Or I will turn into a fat ass, but that is ok....I will lose it all when I diet sometime in April/May 2010!!!!!!!!!
    My god, what does 7000 calories diet look like - do post! I have a feeling I'll be doing that on Thanksgiving feast but totally different diet

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    i was thinking about that, its insane!

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    Day 19

    Hello all....I worked back tonight:

    Deadlifts: 315 x 10 (Warm up), 405 x 3, 495 x 2, 535 x 1 <===== I didn't go up to 550-600 as planned....I just didn't feel it...I know I could have gotten 545-550 with no problem because the 535 didn't take alot of effort........

    BB Bent Over Row: 225 x 12, 225 x 10, 295 x 8

    Seated Rows: 120 x 20, 260 x 12, 330 x 10

    Reverse Grip Pull Downs: 110 x 20, 170 x 12, 220 x 8

    I am about to start my 7,000 calories a day diet....It will look like this:

    Meal 1: 60gms Protein Shake
    Meal 2: 16 Egg whites with 3 whole eggs
    Meal 3: 2 x 14 oz NY Strip Steak with Potatoes
    Meal 4: 1 Pound 93% lean ground beef with Egg Noodles
    Meal 5: 2 Pounds of Pasta with Ground Beef
    120gms Protein Shake (Pre WO)
    120gms Proteinm Shake (Post WO)
    Meal 6: 2 x 14 oz NY Strip Steak with Potatoes
    Meal 7: 1 Pound Pasta with Shrimp
    Meal 8: 120gms Protein Shake with Fish Oil

    This is what I ate today........I feel like a stuffed turd......Weight is at 210.5 as of this morning on the scale, I'm sure I weigh about 215 right now because of the amount of food I have taken in....

    I have been drinking over a gallon of water every 12 hours.......

    When I take my pictures my belly will be a little swollen because of the amount of food I am consuming.......Thanks for reading....

    By the way my food bill has been over 495.00 every two weeks.........Food is very expensive over here in Okinawa.....
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    I'm speechless - That's quite a list of food for one day!

    I don't think food cost will be that much different here. A 14 oz NY strip is expensive since its better quality meat. What about fish? Its really cheap there or at least it was when I was in Tokyo.

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    yea, when my son was stationed in Okinawa all he ate was sushi, great source of protein with almost no fat...BTW big O, what kind of a shake is that with 120 grams of protein? i bet you make it so think it tastes like mud....

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    Quote Originally Posted by bass View Post
    yea, when my son was stationed in Okinawa all he ate was sushi, great source of protein with almost no fat...BTW big O, what kind of a shake is that with 120 grams of protein? i bet you make it so think it tastes like mud....

    I found one that has 184 gram of protein. Its called Vitor Russian bear. It comes in a 4lb tub and there's (3) serving !!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by endus View Post
    i found one that has 184 gram of protein. Its called vitor russian bear. It comes in a 4lb tub and there's (3) serving !!!
    lmao........

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    I dont think tren is a very good thing to take while your trying to eat a lot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Herc View Post
    I dont think tren is a very good thing to take while your trying to eat a lot.

    You are right because I am not hungry ever now........

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    Day 20

    Hello friends.....Today was leg day......

    Back Squats: 225 x 10, 315 x 8, 405 x 6

    Leg Press: 200 x 20, 400 x 15, 600 x 10, 800 x 8

    V-Squat: 200 x 15, 400 x 10, 600 x 8 <=======Sled cannot hold any more weight....I thought if I used the 100s I would be able to add more weight, but alas I cannot....I would have been able to do 800lbs easy....

    Extensions: 110 x 4 sets up to 15 reps

    Reverse Leg Curls: 70 x 20, 110 x 15, 140 x 12

    Lying Leg Curls: 70 x 15, 125 x 12, 155 x 10

    Single Leg Lying Leg Curls: 50 x 4 sets up to 15 reps

    Adductions: 4 sets using up to 150lbs

    Abbductions: 4 sets using up to 200lbs

    Weight is up to 211.00 this morning......Gaining some fat around the midsection.......That is expected for a bulk cycle.....I will lose it when I diet......Next year......LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bass View Post
    yea, when my son was stationed in Okinawa all he ate was sushi, great source of protein with almost no fat...BTW big O, what kind of a shake is that with 120 grams of protein? i bet you make it so think it tastes like mud....
    Big Bass I use Prolab protein....I just use more then it states on the tub.....I have been going through a tub every two weeks......it costs 55.00 dollars over here......

    I can't stand susi....Shit is gross...Tried it once and never again.....I'm a meat and potatoes kind of guy.....I like salmon but that is it.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by endus View Post
    I found one that has 184 gram of protein. Its called Vitor Russian bear. It comes in a 4lb tub and there's (3) serving !!!
    LMFAO!!! That shit is funny!!! 3 whole servings huh? It is like the Mass builders that contain 2000 calories and contains 10 servings with a 5lb bag!!!! Shit is like mud.......and the taste.......

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    Week 3 Pictures

    Friends....Here are my recent pictures: Weight is at 211lbs......

    Critique away...These are no pump pictures......
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Start of my S4 with DS Log-dsc_0343.jpg   Start of my S4 with DS Log-dsc_0346.jpg   Start of my S4 with DS Log-dsc_0349.jpg   Start of my S4 with DS Log-dsc_0332.jpg   Start of my S4 with DS Log-dsc_0361.jpg  


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    Pics continued

    More pictures.......
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    Pics continued

    More pictures.....
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    yea baby, you definitely look dryer, more ripped. awesome progress man, i still get freaked out looking at your shoulders! legs look great. LMAO, looking at your supplements photo...

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    Quote Originally Posted by bass View Post
    yea baby, you definitely look dryer, more ripped. awesome progress man, i still get freaked out looking at your shoulders! legs look great. LMAO, looking at your supplements photo...
    Thanks Bass!!!! I have 10 more days of this cycle then I will hit PCT hard and continue with M-Drol for another 3 weeks. I am hoping to get to 215lbs!!! Thanks again!

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    What changed in your diet and drugs ingestion between the pics you posted on 11/11 and the ones I see now?
    By the way, congrats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BJJ View Post
    What changed in your diet and drugs ingestion between the pics you posted on 11/11 and the ones I see now?
    By the way, congrats.
    My diet has been the same thoughout the cycle. I increased the amount of Carbs that I was taking and lowered my protein and kept my fats the same. As for supplements I cycled like this:

    SARMS S4:50mg a day divided into two doses
    X-Tren : 3/3/4/ 4th week I will taper down to 3 caps a day
    E-Stane: 3/3/4 4th week I will taper down to 3 caps a day

    I am drinking a gallon of water a day......I have 10 days left on this cycle and will do 2 weeks of heavy PCT:

    Clomid: 100/100
    Nolva: 70/70

    After two weeks I will then do a 3 week cycle of M-Drol at 30/30/30 followed by 6 weeks of PCT/Cutting at the following doses:

    Clomid: 70/70/35/35
    Nolva: 40/40/20/20
    Clen : 20/20/30/30/40/40/50/50/60/60/70/70/100/100 <====Each day for 2 weeks followed by 2 weeks off....

    In a nutshell that is my cycle right now and what is to come.....

    I am hoping to get up to 215-220lbs, then diet down to 200lbs at around 10%or lower if I can sustain the diet for that long.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Okinawa_Power View Post
    My diet has been the same thoughout the cycle. I increased the amount of Carbs that I was taking and lowered my protein and kept my fats the same. As for supplements I cycled like this:

    SARMS S4:50mg a day divided into two doses
    X-Tren : 3/3/4/ 4th week I will taper down to 3 caps a day
    E-Stane: 3/3/4 4th week I will taper down to 3 caps a day

    I am drinking a gallon of water a day......I have 10 days left on this cycle and will do 2 weeks of heavy PCT:

    Clomid: 100/100
    Nolva: 70/70

    After two weeks I will then do a 3 week cycle of M-Drol at 30/30/30 followed by 6 weeks of PCT/Cutting at the following doses:

    Clomid: 70/70/35/35
    Nolva: 40/40/20/20
    Clen : 20/20/30/30/40/40/50/50/60/60/70/70/100/100 <====Each day for 2 weeks followed by 2 weeks off....

    In a nutshell that is my cycle right now and what is to come.....

    I am hoping to get up to 215-220lbs, then diet down to 200lbs at around 10%or lower if I can sustain the diet for that long.....
    Why have you increased the glucides and lowered the protides?
    Regarding clen, why do not you use the ketotifen protocol?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BJJ View Post
    Why have you increased the glucides and lowered the protides?
    Regarding clen, why do not you use the ketotifen protocol?

    I got some good information for increasing my carbs and decreasing my protein from one of my friends on this site. I have not researched the keto diet enough to give it a try........

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