when does teh body burn fat?

[bass]

just curious, i know you gain muscles after workout during the healing process, but my question is when do you start burning fat, during workout (lifting, cardio, etc…) or after workout?

BTW, I’ve been struggling with my weight for a long time, i am 49 years old, 5,9 and weigh about 225, and finally in the last week or so I am noticing results, just a week ago I started eating healthy, 5-6 times a day and lost five pounds.

1. tuna
2. chicken breast (white meat)
3. raw cashews (as small snacks between meals)
4. raw almonds (as small snacks between meals)
5. one tablespoon raw flax seeds with cereal (ground)
6. lots of water
7. small portions of red meat, once a day (mainly lamb), I buy lamb from Sam’s Club, they have the New Zealand lamb which is pure from any chemicals.
8. finally I do 15 minutes cardio, and one hour heavy lifting.

so far so good

[CHAP]

Welcome to the board

[bass]

thanks

[jamyjamjr]

the best time your body burns fat is in an aerobic state..

u can do am morning cardio on an empty stomach keeping your heart rate under 130bpm or you can do it immediatly after resistance training using the same concept...

your body will start burning fat at about 15 min.. so 30-45 min cardio is ideal.. anything past that and your gonna go catabolic

[bass]

Thanks for the advice Jamy...

[jamyjamjr]

np bud. thats what we're here for

[bass]

if i may bather you guys one more time...

Does it matter how i get to 130bpm? in other words, if that can be accomplished just by walking at a fast pace on a treadmill, would that be sufficient, or do i have to jog? and is there a good wrist band anyone can recommend to monitor heartbeat? Thanks,

[jamyjamjr]

yea, u can walk fast on a treadmill, usualy with an incline..

[bass]

thats exactly what i did this morning for 30 minutes and i really felt a good workout, hopefully i can increase as time goes. is there a maximum time for cardio? thanks again...

[eatrainrest]

glycogen depleted states HR at 60-70%, any cardio equipment

[eatrainrest]

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=384553

[bass]

thanks, that was a good read...

[MACKATTACK]

the best time your body burns fat is in an aerobic state..

u can do am morning cardio on an empty stomach keeping your heart rate under 130bpm or you can do it immediatly after resistance training using the same concept...

your body will start burning fat at about 15 min.. so 30-45 min cardio is ideal.. anything past that and your gonna go catabolic

Do you think while on a cycle if your heart rate is above 130bpm wouldnt matter as much in relation to burning fat when doing empty stomach morning cardio ??

[jamyjamjr]

Do you think while on a cycle if your heart rate is above 130bpm wouldnt matter as much in relation to burning fat when doing empty stomach morning cardio ??

based on the compound.. many compounds cause a rise in nitrogen retention, which will retard catabolism.. tren is one of the best compounds for this, but it is also one of the harshest...

[Phate]

if i may bather you guys one more time...

Does it matter how i get to 130bpm? in other words, if that can be accomplished just by walking at a fast pace on a treadmill, would that be sufficient, or do i have to jog? and is there a good wrist band anyone can recommend to monitor heartbeat? Thanks,

i like using around a 12% incline and 2.5-3.0mph, then i can read while i do it

[bass]

not sure if i overlooked it, but if i choose to do my lifting then cardio right after the workout, do i take my protean after cardio or before?

[MACKATTACK]

not sure if i overlooked it, but if i choose to do my lifting then cardio right after the workout, do i take my protean after cardio or before?

Dont do too much cardio after your workout. I have been playing around with alot of different ways to see what worked best and like everyone usually says on here, do 20 mins of low intensity cardio after your workout and then take your PWO shake.

[bass]

thats for the advice...

[jamyjamjr]

Dont do too much cardio after your workout. I have been playing around with alot of different ways to see what worked best and like everyone usually says on here, do 20 mins of low intensity cardio after your workout and then take your PWO shake.

i disagree, take your pwo shake right after resistance training, BEFORE you get on the tredmill...

[bass]

thanks Jamey, it makes sense, i do 45-60 minute heavy lifting, so i am sure at that point my muscles are looking to feed on something...

is that you on your avatar Jamey? if so seeing your results i guess i don't have to worry about taking advice for you, if i may ask another question, because i lift heavy weights my elbows are in constant pain while working out. slow healing i guess! do you recommend anything for fast results to help speed up the healing process, mostly the outer elbows and some pain in the inner.

[jamyjamjr]

thanks Jamey, it makes sense, i do 45-60 minute heavy lifting, so i am sure at that point my muscles are looking to feed on something...

is that you on your avatar Jamey? yes it is if so seeing your results i guess i don't have to worry about taking advice for you, thx bud.. i was actualy at a higher bf at the time.. about 18-19%, im down to 15% right now.. if i may ask another question, because i lift heavy weights my elbows are in constant pain while working out. slow healing i guess! do you recommend anything for fast results to help speed up the healing process, mostly the outer elbows and some pain in the inner.

if your really hurting on heavier lifts, do the opposite... run lower weight higher rep sets... u may think it doesn't work, but i had been doing that for 12 weeks before i took my avi pic.. worked great for me...

usualy id run something like 4 sets per exc. and 4 exc. per muscle... sets would be 15, 12, 10, 8...

[spywizard]

i disagree, take your pwo shake right after resistance training, BEFORE you get on the tredmill...

I'd have to disagree with this.. the only thing that should or could be consumed between resistance training and low impact cardio would be a free form BCAA..

I'll try and come back to this tomorrow..

[eatrainrest]

I'd have to disagree with this.. the only thing that should or could be consumed between resistance training and low impact cardio would be a free form BCAA..

I'll try and come back to this tomorrow..

hey spy, it still will spike insulin though, am i correct?

[MACKATTACK]

i disagree, take your pwo shake right after resistance training, BEFORE you get on the tredmill...

Alot of people say, lift, cardio then shake, but thats what I read over the past several years from some of the vets.

[eatrainrest]

Alot of people say, lift, cardio then shake, but thats what I read over the past several years from some of the vets.

it really is goal oriented.. IMO nothing should be taken prior to cardio if your doing it immediately post workout, because you want to avoid insulin spike and thsi is the time to burn fat. NOW, if your goal is to bulk i would refeed while doing cardio with 5g free form aminos, and just save the shake with carbs for IMMEDIATELY after. if cutting you may want to refeeed with bcaa's, but wait even longer than after the cardio to suck it down. muscle science showed studies and data that supports a 2 hour window after exercise when it has a negative effect on protein breakdown. so really it is goal oriented, because you burn x amount of fat kcals AFTER cardio, so why not take advantage of this during a cut?

[MACKATTACK]

it really is goal oriented.. IMO nothing should be taken prior to cardio if your doing it immediately post workout, because you want to avoid insulin spike and thsi is the time to burn fat. NOW, if your goal is to bulk i would refeed while doing cardio with 5g free form aminos, and just save the shake with carbs for IMMEDIATELY after. if cutting you may want to refeeed with bcaa's, but wait even longer than after the cardio to suck it down. muscle science showed studies and data that supports a 2 hour window after exercise when it has a negative effect on protein breakdown. so really it is goal oriented, because you burn x amount of fat kcals AFTER cardio, so why not take advantage of this during a cut?

What are examples of Bcaas??

[FireGuy]

What are examples of Bcaas??

You only have 3 to choose from, leucine, isoluecine and valine. Count me in the "after cardio" camp for when to take in post workout nutrition. I think too many people believe their "anabolic window" slams shut right after weight training. The main reason I prefer after cardio is I dont want to be doing 45 minutes on a treadmill or stairmill with 500 calories trying to digest in my gut.

[eatrainrest]

You only have 3 to choose from, leucine, isoluecine and valine. Count me in the "after cardio" camp for when to take in post workout nutrition. I think too many people believe their "anabolic window" slams shut right after weight training. The main reason I prefer after cardio is I dont want to be doing 45 minutes on a treadmill or stairmill with 500 calories trying to digest in my gut.

^x2, glycogen depleted state is perfect time to burn fat so why iwould you want to ntroduce calories at this time

[spywizard]

hey spy, it still will spike insulin though, am i correct?

I was instructed that no, it would not cause an insulin spike.. i'll look up the scientific data on it tomorrow..

[eatrainrest]

I was instructed that no, it would not cause an insulin spike.. i'll look up the scientific data on it tomorrow..

phate should have some input on this topic as i got that answer from him

[Tigershark]

Welcome to the boards.

[bass]

thanks guys, great discussion, i am learning allot here. please remember that i am trying to loose fat but at the same time gain muscles (how many time have you heard that!). yes my goal is to bulk up kind of like the way Jamey look in his avatar, probably unrealistic goal for my age, but i think i have good genes and my body responds well to whatever i do. i even considered steroids but i was told to get rid of the fat first, so this is what i am doing now, but i don't want to sacrifice muscle.

BTW, any recommendation on anything to help heal elbow pain?

Thanks again everyone and look forward to read more.

[FireGuy]

phate should have some input on this topic as i got that answer from him

BCAA's will not cause an insulin response of any significance.

[eatrainrest]

BCAA's will not cause an insulin response of any significance.

thats exactly what i was told and have been refeeding wtih it during cardio during my cuts

[MACKATTACK]

thats exactly what i was told and have been refeeding wtih it during cardio during my cuts

How do the Bcaa's aid in the cutting?? I am thinking it just stops the muscles from being burned but does it actually raise the level of burning fat??

[eatrainrest]

How do the Bcaa's aid in the cutting?? I am thinking it just stops the muscles from being burned but does it actually raise the level of burning fat??

the goal of a cut is to increaes/maintain as much muscle as possible. in the event you are fearful of muscle cannablization especially during a catabolic/glycogen/calorie/carb deficient state, i feel safe with a 5g refeed of BCAA's, i havent used during abulk yet.

[jamyjamjr]

hum... iv always followed the philosophy of drinking my pwo shake after resistance training and before cardio to minimize catabolism.... seems there are a few here who know what they're talkin about especialy fire, who's opinion i heavily respect, that say otherwise....

iv had great success in fat loss and muscle gain doing it my way.. i know it works, but i will always look for better ways to do things..

imma switch up to this new philosophy for a while... ill give u guys a report in 4 weeks...

[bass]

okay, from what i gather now is, workout, cardio, then proton, right?

BCAA, are there different brands, if so can you recommend a good one and where to buy it from?

i am taking Hypershock http://www.myogenix.com/hyper_shock.html from Myogenix, is it the same as BCAA? It helps me with pain and energy.

[FireGuy]

okay, from what i gather now is, workout, cardio, then proton, right?
BCAA, are there different brands, if so can you recommend a good one and where to buy it from?

i am taking Hypershock http://www.myogenix.com/hyper_shock.html from Myogenix, is it the same as BCAA? It helps me with pain and energy.

Workout, cardio, protein & carbs

[eatrainrest]

post workout nutrition is essential to replace muscle glycogen (carbs stored in the muscles), so YES CARBS