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[Ronnie Rowland]

Then would you recommend any type of beta blockers to keep DHT in check? Benign Prostate Hyperplasia is something I don't wish to develop!

saw palmetto

[slimshady01]

Ronnie im finishing up my first deload and will start the next reload on monday.

First 8 weeks were test 500 and deca 400.

I planned on doing test 750 and deca 400 for the last 8.

I may go another route im not quite sure as im confused. Im worried my hair may be thinning out and im nervous taking the test to 750mg.

My 2 options right now are keep the test at 500ish and up the deca to 600. I know i may screw myself sexually but i can live with that for 8 weeks.

Second option is forget bulking anymore, since I know i wont ever do higher doses of test in the fear of hairloss I may just start a cut.

I can be happy at 175 shredded, im 192 now but carrying a little fat on the belly, seem to be leaner everywhere else.

So what do you recommend.

Option 1 - Test 500ish Deca 600 keep bulking this last reload and then i would plan a 4 week pct then right away start a cut.

Option 2 start a cut now. Not sure if I could cut with Deca and if so how much would you run and how much test. I also have 5000mg of var that i plan on using to but I would like to get around 12% before adding the var.

So if i could cut with deca and test im thinking 500test 400 deca for 8 weeks then test 500 and var 75mg a day for another 8 with no deload since im cutting.

If you think i could still put on some nice mass with option 1 I would go with that and then take a month off and then start option 2. If you think option 1 is pointless then I would start the cut now.

What do you think? I hope this makes sense to you.

Also i only stick to the following compounds due to me being prone to hairloss.

Deca
Test "i can control DHT somewhat"
Var
Tbol
EQ which is a waste and i wont ever run.

Other things like tren dbol, adrol i wont touch even though i would love to.

[Ronnie Rowland]

ronnie i finally did bw and this is the comparison of my natural baseline, before 2nd pct and after my 2nd last pct:

My baseline (natural)
estradiol 1.7 pg/ml (men <62pg/ml)
lh 4.81 miu/ml (male 2-12)
fsh 4.06 miu/ml (1.0-8.0)
total test 3.51 (3.0-10.6)

after cycle:
Estradiol 78.76 (7.63-42.6)
lh 2.23 (1.7-8.6)
fsh 1.56 (1.5-12.4)
total test 1.55 (2.8-8.0)

after 2nd pct
estradiol 69.14 (7.63-42.6)
lh 2.51 (1.7-8.6)
fsh 2.21 (1.5-12.4)
total test 1.67 (2.8-8.0)

my last pct was 3wks of 20 nolva and 50 clomid. Aromasin came late and only used it for 3 days (25mg, 12.5,12.5) and one time usage of letro of around 1-1.2mg. Was aiming 4wks pct, but had to do a surgery if you remember. Bw was done 1 month after last pct dose!

It seems my estro went down a bit but shouldnt it go lower then that since i used one shot of letro? it takes about 1 week of using letro daily to see noticeable improvements in estrogen levels. my lh/fsh slightly improved, but not much and i think i should give hcg a try? yes thats what you need to try! am dealing with a diff doc since the previous endo drove me crazy and thought i had a tumor either in my adernal gland or scrotum. Already did a scrotum ultrasound and did a ct scan for the abdominal area to check liver,kidney,adernal gland, stomach, bladder, bancereas, prosate, lower part of the lungs...etc ..thats how they make their money! and all came good. Except some fat deposits on the liver which i believe from lack of excersize (doc said thats no issue and its reversable once i start excersizing and following a proper diet).

Whats next? 2wks of aromasin 25mg/day and 1000iu/wk of hcg? i would inject 1500 ius of hcg every other day for 3 weeks. Keep in aromasin for 4 weeks (1 week after hcg cycle). shouldnt nolva/clomid have increased lh/fsh? yes but maybe your ancillaries were low dosed?

above

[Ronnie Rowland]

[QUOTE=lynxeffect1;5687343]our inclined barbell bench is not adjustable and prob 30 degrees, is this too much and be a waiste of time? IT IS UNLESS YO ARE GENTICALLY GIFTED IN UPPER CHEST AREA. DO DUMBBELL INCLINES USING AN ADJUSTABLE SEAT OR SMITH MACHINE IS EVEN BETTER. USE A MEDIUM/CLOSE GRIP TO INCREASE RANGE OF MOTION u can feel it working very high onda chest. DO YOU GET SORE IN UPPER CHEST AREA OR FRONT DELTS? IF YOU HAVE A SHALLOW UPPER CHEST ODDS ARE GOOD IT WILL NEVER DO A LOT AS THE UPPER CHEST IS LIKE CALVES (YOU EITHER HAVE IT OR YOU DON'T BUT IT CAN BE IMPROVED) also i still wasnt given accutane but was given tetralysal. been taking them since saturday and since monday ive a permanent pain in my right hamstring out of no where , its like ive pulled or strained it and feels the same if ive my leg straight or bent, wudnt have anything to do with weakening the tendons or anything like uve mentioned to me or have i just strained it unknowns to myself ? IT HAPPENED SO FAST ITS PROBABLY JUST A STRAIN.[/QUOTE][B]NOTE: [/B][U]HERES A PICTURE I TOOK OF MY WIFE A FEW DAYS AGO. NOTICE HOW HER UPPER CHEST HAS A LOT OF VASCULARITY AND CROSS STRIATION. I SIMPLY CANNOT GET THOSE KIND OF CROSS STRIATIONS IN MY UPPER PECS AND WE DO THE SAME EXERCISES FOR THAT AREA ONCE A WEEK (3 SETS OF 15 DEGREE INCLINES USING A SMITH MACHINE). I AM ALSO ABLE TO USE MORE WEIGHT ON INCLINES THAN HER SO IT JUST GOES TO SHOW YOU THAT GENETICS MORE SO THAN ANY OTHER FACTOR DETERMINE MUSCLE GROWTH, SIZE, SHAPE, DETAILS, ETC![/U]

[djdizzy]

Ronnie, I'm 38, 6'5" 210lbs and about 15%BF. I have been working out for 4-5 years regulary now. I have always had sleep issues and they seem to worsen when on gear or if I step up my workouts. I have dropped back to doing the same amount of sets that you are doing on a 4 day split.

Tues - Back/Traps
Thurs - Chest/Bi's
Sat - Legs
Sun - Shoulders/Tri's

Chest 9 sets 3 ex
Lats 12 sets 4 ex
Shoulders 9 sets 3 ex
Biceps 8 sets 2 ex
Triceps 9 sets 3 ex
Quads 10 sets 3 ex
Hams 6 sets 2 ex
Calves 6 sets 2 ex
Abs 6 sets 2 ex
Traps 6 sets 2 ex


I also run 4 miles MWF (non workout days)

I have done 2 cycles previously and I just did a 20week blast in which I finished up PCT a month ago. I lost a little strength but have rebounded and been adding weight the past 2 weeks.

I did back yesterday and felt I had a great work out, squeezing at the top of every rep and really feeling the muscle work the weight and then last night I slept like shit. It worries me that I might be overtraining, yet I still have sleep issues when I have stopped working out to give my body a break for a week.

My thought with my next blast to start at the end of July would be to prime this week (actually doing nothing for a week), deload the following 2 weeks and then start the blast.

What do you think? Also I just did a sleep apnea test but won't get the results for a few weeks.

Good Luck to you and your wife (she is ripped up!) in the upcoming shows!

Thanks!

Forgot to ask, for my previous blast I did 500mg then 750mg test only. For this 2nd blast I'm adding 400mg Deca/week and 50mg Proviron/daily. Can I do 500/750 test again since I am adding a second steroid or do I need to go 750/1000 for this second blast.

[kml999]

Whats next? 2wks of aromasin 25mg/day and 1000iu/wk of hcg? i would inject 1500 ius of hcg every other day for 3 weeks. Keep in aromasin for 4 weeks (1 week after hcg cycle). shouldnt nolva/clomid have increased lh/fsh? yes but maybe your ancillaries were low dosed?

well wouldnt 1500iu of hcg EOD cause estrogen to elevate? wont it aromatize?

by the way am off cycle and wanted to double check that i need to do hcg 1500iu EOD and 25mg/day of aromasin? or its better to dose the aromasin at 12.5 EOD since am off cycle and 25mg will kill all my estro? can i do 3000iu of hcg x2 per wk instead? subq or im injections? i never did hcg before and am not that fimiliar with it yet! Please be aware am off cycle and am sure those doses mentioned above are kind of high?

the ancillaries i used are pharm/human grade all bought from the pharmacy and came in blisters packs, so am sure its not underdosed

update
i did further BW for just estro and total test on the 5th day of pct...now my estro used to be 69.14 (7.63-42.6) and now is 38 (11-44) and my total test was 1.67 (2.8-8.0) and now total test is 4.83 (3.0-10.6). i ran this when i started my 3rd pct 5 days ago:

day1: 37.5mg aromasin, 100clomid
day2: 37.5 aromasin, 100 clomid, 40 nolva
day3: 12.5 aromasin, 40 nolva
day4: 12.5 aromasin, 40 nolva
day5: 12.5 aromasin, 40 nolva (havent taken the nolva on this day when i did the test and took it afterwards before sleep)

i did the bw test on the 5th day of this pct which was YESTERDAY i did estrodiol and total testosterone ONLY at a local lab and got the above results. i will keep aromasin at 12.5mg per day and 20 nolva until the 10th day

should i stop on the 10th day? should i still do hcg?

[Gi812Many]

Hey Ronnie,

Not new to the site, just can not remember my previous screen name. Im starting back AS use after a 7 year period of no use. Really love the Reload/Deload idea...I did something similar back in the day but it was 16 weeks total w/ an increase in the amount of AS use at 9 weeks and a 4 week peroid where I would cruise. Looking at from that perspective I can see where this would work and probably save money as well...My question for you, Tren E...Im going to be using 500mgs of Test E, 600mgs of EQ and was going to use 300mgs of Tren E. How do you feel about running Tren so often? 8 weeks all 3 compounds - 2 weeks 250mgs of Test E / Weekly....then obviously start up with the previous reload and maybe up the dosages?

[ricky23]

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[jcjordan]

it will work but how much you gain is determined by your diet, training andf mostly genetics. No one knows so all you can do is find out for yourself.

sorry what i ment was if i have 2ml of test enth and 2 ml of deca 300 2 ml in each glut every sunday and nothing inbetween will i be leaving it too long apart for it to work or get in to my system and again thanks to the more experenced advise that you have gave me

[kelevra]

Leg help during cut PLZ..
Squat 135 & 225 for a set of 10 each to warm up.
Squat 3x 315 for 12 or so. (smart failure)
Lunges weighted 2 sets to failure
Ex 2 sets 14-16 reps (to low of reps hurt knees on this lift)
Ham Curl 3 sets 8-10 reps (smart failure)
10sets + 2 warm ups
Is this too much volume for cutting? I decreased the weight used on Squat as i was doing 405 for sets of 8, but upper body is getting to weak to support it. Bothering mid back and traps. (no injuries wanted)

[lynxeffect1]

wow ur wife looks in super shape ron! tried 15degrees (roughly anyway) and saw a big differance , really felt the chest being hit way more and hardly felt the shoulder engaging much at all. was under the impression before that the higher the incline the higher up the chest u worked, so thanks for that ron! how do the pro's manage to take steroids inda off season when there flying to differant states/ countries guest posing ? also with the extreme doses they take how do they know when theyve hit their genetic potential and are using a high enough dose that they;ll ever need to use ? and not think maybe if i add another few grams a week il get to the next level yet again, is it basically ..try it and see since everyone differant and u wont know otherwise?

[ricky23]

[QUOTE=Ronnie Rowland;5687686]

our inclined barbell bench is not adjustable and prob 30 degrees, is this too much and be a waiste of time? IT IS UNLESS YO ARE GENTICALLY GIFTED IN UPPER CHEST AREA. DO DUMBBELL INCLINES USING AN ADJUSTABLE SEAT OR SMITH MACHINE IS EVEN BETTER. USE A MEDIUM/CLOSE GRIP TO INCREASE RANGE OF MOTION u can feel it working very high onda chest. DO YOU GET SORE IN UPPER CHEST AREA OR FRONT DELTS? IF YOU HAVE A SHALLOW UPPER CHEST ODDS ARE GOOD IT WILL NEVER DO A LOT AS THE UPPER CHEST IS LIKE CALVES (YOU EITHER HAVE IT OR YOU DON'T BUT IT CAN BE IMPROVED) also i still wasnt given accutane but was given tetralysal. been taking them since saturday and since monday ive a permanent pain in my right hamstring out of no where , its like ive pulled or strained it and feels the same if ive my leg straight or bent, wudnt have anything to do with weakening the tendons or anything like uve mentioned to me or have i just strained it unknowns to myself ? IT HAPPENED SO FAST ITS PROBABLY JUST A STRAIN.[/QUOTE][B]NOTE: [/B][U]HERES A PICTURE I TOOK OF MY WIFE A FEW DAYS AGO. NOTICE HOW HER UPPER CHEST HAS A LOT OF VASCULARITY AND CROSS STRIATION. I SIMPLY CANNOT GET THOSE KIND OF CROSS STRIATIONS IN MY UPPER PECS AND WE DO THE SAME EXERCISES FOR THAT AREA ONCE A WEEK (3 SETS OF 15 DEGREE INCLINES USING A SMITH MACHINE). I AM ALSO ABLE TO USE MORE WEIGHT ON INCLINES THAN HER SO IT JUST GOES TO SHOW YOU THAT GENETICS MORE SO THAN ANY OTHER FACTOR DETERMINE MUSCLE GROWTH, SIZE, SHAPE, DETAILS, ETC![/U]

wow! i think she can easily get her pro card! looks awesome. ronnie do you think without your back injuries and surgeries you would have tried to turn pro?

[ridedivefx]

Hi Ron,

Wat is your opinion and recommendation of Igf-1 LR3 and its use either during blast or in PCT? Is it worth the money? And what about other designer peptides ghrp, cjc etc...

Thanks

[slimshady01]

[QUOTE=Ronnie Rowland;5687686]

our inclined barbell bench is not adjustable and prob 30 degrees, is this too much and be a waiste of time? IT IS UNLESS YO ARE GENTICALLY GIFTED IN UPPER CHEST AREA. DO DUMBBELL INCLINES USING AN ADJUSTABLE SEAT OR SMITH MACHINE IS EVEN BETTER. USE A MEDIUM/CLOSE GRIP TO INCREASE RANGE OF MOTION u can feel it working very high onda chest. DO YOU GET SORE IN UPPER CHEST AREA OR FRONT DELTS? IF YOU HAVE A SHALLOW UPPER CHEST ODDS ARE GOOD IT WILL NEVER DO A LOT AS THE UPPER CHEST IS LIKE CALVES (YOU EITHER HAVE IT OR YOU DON'T BUT IT CAN BE IMPROVED) also i still wasnt given accutane but was given tetralysal. been taking them since saturday and since monday ive a permanent pain in my right hamstring out of no where , its like ive pulled or strained it and feels the same if ive my leg straight or bent, wudnt have anything to do with weakening the tendons or anything like uve mentioned to me or have i just strained it unknowns to myself ? IT HAPPENED SO FAST ITS PROBABLY JUST A STRAIN.[/QUOTE][B]NOTE: [/B][U]HERES A PICTURE I TOOK OF MY WIFE A FEW DAYS AGO. NOTICE HOW HER UPPER CHEST HAS A LOT OF VASCULARITY AND CROSS STRIATION. I SIMPLY CANNOT GET THOSE KIND OF CROSS STRIATIONS IN MY UPPER PECS AND WE DO THE SAME EXERCISES FOR THAT AREA ONCE A WEEK (3 SETS OF 15 DEGREE INCLINES USING A SMITH MACHINE). I AM ALSO ABLE TO USE MORE WEIGHT ON INCLINES THAN HER SO IT JUST GOES TO SHOW YOU THAT GENETICS MORE SO THAN ANY OTHER FACTOR DETERMINE MUSCLE GROWTH, SIZE, SHAPE, DETAILS, ETC![/U]

I saw this on your FB page to. All i can say is amazing. You can tell her hard work is paying off.

I wish i had her genetics!

[ricky23]

sorry found the answer the start of the thread!

[kelevra]

hey Ron, we know you are not too far out from a show. Could you give an example of the split you are on now, this far into your cutting? and total of sets for each group?
thanx Ron & Good luck to the Misses & yourself.

[Ronnie Rowland]

[QUOTE=slimshady01;5687443]Ronnie im finishing up my first deload and will start the next reload on monday.

First 8 weeks were test 500 and deca 400.

I planned on doing test 750 and deca 400 for the last 8.

I may go another route im not quite sure as im confused. Im worried my hair may be thinning out and im nervous taking the test to 750mg.

My 2 options right now are keep the test at 500ish and up the deca to 600. I know i may screw myself sexually but i can live with that for 8 weeks.

Second option is forget bulking anymore, since I know i wont ever do higher doses of test in the fear of hairloss I may just start a cut.

I can be happy at 175 shredded, im 192 now but carrying a little fat on the belly, seem to be leaner everywhere else.

So what do you recommend. I would cut if you are worried about hair loss or you could use a dht blocker and take as much test as you want and bulk up even further.

Option 1 - Test 500ish Deca 600 keep bulking this last reload and then i would plan a 4 week pct then right away start a cut.

Option 2 start a cut now. Not sure if I could cut with Deca and if so how much would you run and how much test. I also have 5000mg of var that i plan on using to but I would like to get around 12% before adding the var. I would start var immediatedly on a cut to help maintain strength and 3-400 mgs of deca per week.

So if i could cut with deca and test im thinking 500test 400 deca for 8 weeks then test 500 and var 75mg a day for another 8 with no deload since im cutting. You could do this but i would run var all the way through if you can afford itIf you think i could still put on some nice mass with option 1 I would go with that and then take a month off and then start option 2. If you think option 1 is pointless then I would start the cut now. I would cut.What do you think? I hope this makes sense to you.

Also i only stick to the following compounds due to me being prone to hairloss.

Deca
Test "i can control DHT somewhat"
Var
Tbol
EQ which is a waste and i wont ever run.

Other things like tren dbol, adrol i wont touch even though i would love to. you may try winstrol but it can make your hair thin as well. primobolan and var with a little test may be best for you![/QUOTE]above

[Ronnie Rowland]

Hi Ron,

Wat is your opinion and recommendation of Igf-1 LR3 and its use either during blast or in PCT? Is it worth the money? And what about other designer peptides ghrp, cjc etc...IGF-1 is best used in conjunction with growth hormone and I would run it during a reload. The other peptides would be more suited for PCT but I would spend my money elsewhere.Thanks

above

[slimshady01]

[QUOTE=Ronnie Rowland;5690513]

Ronnie im finishing up my first deload and will start the next reload on monday.

First 8 weeks were test 500 and deca 400.

I planned on doing test 750 and deca 400 for the last 8.

I may go another route im not quite sure as im confused. Im worried my hair may be thinning out and im nervous taking the test to 750mg.

My 2 options right now are keep the test at 500ish and up the deca to 600. I know i may screw myself sexually but i can live with that for 8 weeks.

Second option is forget bulking anymore, since I know i wont ever do higher doses of test in the fear of hairloss I may just start a cut.

I can be happy at 175 shredded, im 192 now but carrying a little fat on the belly, seem to be leaner everywhere else.

So what do you recommend. I would cut if you are worried about hair loss or you could use a dht blocker and take as much test as you want and bulk up even further.

Option 1 - Test 500ish Deca 600 keep bulking this last reload and then i would plan a 4 week pct then right away start a cut.

Option 2 start a cut now. Not sure if I could cut with Deca and if so how much would you run and how much test. I also have 5000mg of var that i plan on using to but I would like to get around 12% before adding the var. I would start var immediatedly on a cut to help maintain strength and 3-400 mgs of deca per week.

So if i could cut with deca and test im thinking 500test 400 deca for 8 weeks then test 500 and var 75mg a day for another 8 with no deload since im cutting. You could do this but i would run var all the way through if you can afford itIf you think i could still put on some nice mass with option 1 I would go with that and then take a month off and then start option 2. If you think option 1 is pointless then I would start the cut now. I would cut.What do you think? I hope this makes sense to you.

Also i only stick to the following compounds due to me being prone to hairloss.

Deca
Test "i can control DHT somewhat"
Var
Tbol
EQ which is a waste and i wont ever run.

Other things like tren dbol, adrol i wont touch even though i would love to. you may try winstrol but it can make your hair thin as well. primobolan and var with a little test may be best for you![/QUOTE]above

Thanks so much Ronnie,

I pinned this morning for the 750mg and 400deca but still leary about the hair. My wife says im the same and nothing has changed "she cuts my hair". I just get worried because ive had thin fine hair my whole life and done a lot to hold onto it. "i would look horrible bald".

I may give it a shot and try the 750mg the last 8 week reload here and see how i do. I doubt i will go this high again but i guess ill try it this time.

My goal is to cut right after. Should i just do 2 week deload and jump right into a 16 week cut after this 20 week run with no deloads. Or would you have me take a month PCT break then start the cutting cycle. I have 3 kids and another in the wifes belly now "that one was unexpcted" and absolutley do not want anymore, its hard enough on a single income as my wife doesnt work. Oh and im 35 years old.

For my cutting cycle I know you said run var staight through, but my question is, is it safe to run var 16 weeks at 75mg. I know its mild but its not that good on cholesterol.

So for the cutting cycle can you help me create one based on the compounds i run with my fine hair.

IM thinking

Test 300mg "can do 400 mb 500 depending how this 750 run goes"
Anavar 75mg
I have tons of deca but as you stated im thinking primo would be better?
Ive never ran Primo so im not sure what dose, ive seen 200-400mg a week? Stuff is expensive but ill give it a go.

On a side note

Ive almost considered staying on a low dose test TRT because i actually feel like i have a better quality of life.
My sex drive has been crap since my mid 20s for some reason even though blood tests have been on the low normal range. Ive been married almost 5 years and ive had almost a non existent sex drive that has made my wife insecure with herself. Ever since being on test we are having sex a good once a day and she and I are loving it. I told her i was going to come off completely in fear of losing my hair and she almost paniced. Bottom line is i think Test saved my marriage.

[Ronnie Rowland]

[QUOTE=ricky23;5689774]

wow! i think she can easily get her pro card! looks awesome. ronnie do you think without your back injuries and surgeries you would have tried to turn pro?

Since my quads use to be one of my best body parts before the back injury, I would say yes it would have been a possibility.

Heres a couple of pics taken of my wife this past weekend at the pool. She's under two weeks out from her show now. Wish her luck next friday july 22!

[ricky23]

[QUOTE=Ronnie Rowland;5691297]

Since my quads use to be one of my best body parts before the back injury, I would say yes it would have been a possibility.

Heres a couple of pics taken of my wife this past weekend at the pool. She's under two weeks out from her show now. Wish her luck next friday july 22!

she looks better than half the pros out there! i'll be very surprised if she doesn't place 1st - best of luck!

[paulzane]

Hi again Ronnie I am nearly finished week 4 of my first reload and was wondering if I should add some deca for my aging joints for the next 4 weeks before my deload (I am 56). I did follow your recommendations from my previous post but have slight joint probs. What you quoted is below:

Week 1-4 Dbol 50mg/day or Anadrol 50 50mg/day (go with d-bol because some find it hard to put on size with anadrol because it destroys their appetite. Drink more water while on d-bol to stay hydrated and keep kidney pain at bay.)

Week 1-8 Deca 550mg/week (mixture is 275mg/ml) (drop the deca during first reload and use during second reload)

Week 1-8 Test E 500mg/week or one 250mg inj every 3 days

Week 1 - 18 Proviron 50mg/day

My next Nebido will be due on week 7 so will this be enough to see me through week 9 & 10 or should I do a Test E one 250mg inj a week as well? Add in 250 mls of test-e

Week 10 - 18 Test E 750mg/week or 250mg every other day

Week 10 -18 Deca 550mg/week

Week 19 Nebido

[Tom Bodo]

Your wife looks great. All the best for her upcoming contest.


Here you see some pictures off me after reloading and deloading:



This reloading and deloading really kicks ass Thanks again for sharing your honest knowledge with us.

[djdizzy]

Here you see some pictures off me after reloading and deloading:

This reloading and deloading really kicks ass Thanks again for sharing your honest knowledge with us.

Nice gains! So did you do 2 back 2 back blasts or did you run pct in between for the 9 months?

[Tom Bodo]

Nice gains! So did you do 2 back 2 back blasts or did you run pct in between for the 9 months?

I did back to back blasts since february without going off. The months before I was without drugs.

[Ronnie Rowland]

Ronnie, I'm 38, 6'5" 210lbs and about 15%BF. I have been working out for 4-5 years regulary now. I have always had sleep issues and they seem to worsen when on gear or if I step up my workouts. I have dropped back to doing the same amount of sets that you are doing on a 4 day split.

Tues - Back/Traps
Thurs - Chest/Bi's
Sat - Legs
Sun - Shoulders/Tri's

Chest 9 sets 3 ex
Lats 12 sets 4 ex
Shoulders 9 sets 3 ex
Biceps 8 sets 2 ex
Triceps 9 sets 3 ex
Quads 10 sets 3 ex
Hams 6 sets 2 ex
Calves 6 sets 2 ex
Abs 6 sets 2 ex
Traps 6 sets 2 ex


I also run 4 miles MWF (non workout days)

I have done 2 cycles previously and I just did a 20week blast in which I finished up PCT a month ago. I lost a little strength but have rebounded and been adding weight the past 2 weeks.

I did back yesterday and felt I had a great work out, squeezing at the top of every rep and really feeling the muscle work the weight and then last night I slept like shit. It worries me that I might be overtraining, yet I still have sleep issues when I have stopped working out to give my body a break for a week.

My thought with my next blast to start at the end of July would be to prime this week (actually doing nothing for a week), deload the following 2 weeks and then start the blast.

What do you think? Also I just did a sleep apnea test but won't get the results for a few weeks.

Good Luck to you and your wife (she is ripped up!) in the upcoming shows!

Thanks!

Forgot to ask, for my previous blast I did 500mg then 750mg test only. For this 2nd blast I'm adding 400mg Deca/week and 50mg Proviron/daily. Can I do 500/750 test again since I am adding a second steroid or do I need to go 750/1000 for this second blast. You can keep test dosages the same since a second anabolic is being added. If it's not sleep apnea you could be one of these people who if work out late in the day overstimulation their CNS-hence causing insomnia. I do not know your work load outside the gym? Do you work out side? Do you lift at work? Are you eating a lot at night? Are you taking pre-workout in the evening? And it could be that you just have some insomnia. Plus androgens can make insomia worse and why run 4 miles per day as a bodybuilder?! I need more detailed info to try and figure it out.

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[Ronnie Rowland]

hey Ron, we know you are not too far out from a show. Could you give an example of the split you are on now, this far into your cutting? and total of sets for each group?
thanx Ron & Good luck to the Misses & yourself.

It hasnt changed and if it did I would do less sets the last few weeks. Still on that same 4 day split. Diet and cardio is what gets you ripped. Trying to burn more fat through increasing volume is a BIG MISTAKE IMO as it can cause joint problems and muscle loss. During a cutting phase you are not making gains, only trying to maintain what you gained prior.
above

[ricky23]

hey ronnie, been reloading-deloading for 7 months and think it might be a good time for a prime (even though ive made strength and size gains every reload) just feel abit burned out
was thinking of doing a 2 week deload followed by a 2 week prime with a pct in there (abit confused whether to do this aas free or would 300mg test be ok?)
for the 7 months i haven't been using hcg but will do this time - will 2500ius eod 2 weeks be enough?
if you dont mind could you please give an example of the 4 week deload/prime?
thanks very much ronnie

[ricky23]

ronnie what do you think of running proviron to attach to SHBG and free up test? best to run during deload or reload or not at all?
also good idea to swap adex for aromasin next reload?

[lynxeffect1]

with regards to the 15 degree incline and decline you reccomended and i tried and it def took the shoulders out of the equation, how come no matter what in every video you see and even the big lads at my own gym , they all do at least 30 to 45 degrees?

[djdizzy]

You can keep test dosages the same since a second anabolic is being added. If it's not sleep apnea you could be one of these people who if work out late in the day overstimulation their CNS-hence causing insomnia. I do not know your work load outside the gym? Do you work out side? Do you lift at work? Are you eating a lot at night? Are you taking pre-workout in the evening? And it could be that you just have some insomnia. Plus androgens can make insomia worse and why run 4 miles per day as a bodybuilder?! I need more detailed info to try and figure it out.

I am not doing this to compete, I am doing it for health and vanity. Before I started working out I was as high as 250lbs and about 25% BF. Before my first blast I was the lowest I've weighed in years, 195 and 13%BF. I went up to 225 on the blast and have leveled out at 212 and 15%BF after PCT and trying to drop the BF a little more before the next blast.

I do morning workouts, up at 430 or 530am depending on the day. I am an assistant editor so I sit in front of a computer all day. I have 7 meals a day spread out every 2-3 hours. I get to bed between 930-10 nightly. I have noticed if I work late(which is often in my field) and have dinner later, I have to skip my pre-bed shake or make it very small as a full stomach has messed with my sleep.

Currently eating:
Meal 1
40g protein(5 egg whites, protein powder), 1/2 cup oatmeal shake

Workout

Meal 2a (post workout shake)
50g protein(protein powder), 3/4 cup oatmeal shake

Meal 2b (after getting ready for work)
1 slice ezekial bread, 1 slice lowfat swiss cheese, 2 whole eggs, 2 egg whites, 1 serving low fat turkey sausage

Meal 3
Banana, protein shake, carbmaster yogurt

Meal 4
Varies, either chicken breast or ground turkey with brown rice or steamed veggies

Meal 5
Beef jerky, carbmaster yogurt, 12 almonds

Meal 6
Varies, chicken breast or steak with steamed veggies or sweet potato

Meal 7 (right before bed)
Cottage cheese and casein shake

I usually add more carbs only on workout days (more fruits-bananas, grapefruit, apples) and when on cycle I eat bigger portions

I usually do stair master or eliptical for cardio when on cycle (for some reason its hard for me to run on gear, not sure why) So I have only been running since a week or 2 after my blast ended.

I have taken the past week off working out and have only been running every other day and have noticed improvements in my sleep. I still usually am awake before my alarm goes off. Should get my apnea results back next week.

I start my deload tomorrow and head back to the gym.

Hope this info might help and thanks for all your input!!!!

[Willy D.]

Ronnie,
Starting my first deload Monday using your split 1 routine. I am currently doing 330Lb deadlifts so for the deload they should be what? 200? 250? and of course all other exercises will follow suite. Also plan on doing my second reload using your split 2 routine. My quetion here is...On chest day in addition to incline, flat, and decline benchpress can I also do incline, flat, and decline flys? or will this be to much? Just trying to get a deaper center. As always Thanks for your input and time.
Your advise to all is second to none.

[kml999]

update
i did further BW for just estro and total test on the 5th day of pct...now my estro used to be 69.14 (7.63-42.6) and now is 38 (11-44) and my total test was 1.67 (2.8-8.0) and now total test is 4.83 (3.0-10.6). i ran this when i started my 3rd pct 5 days ago:

day1: 37.5mg aromasin, 100clomid
day2: 37.5 aromasin, 100 clomid, 40 nolva
day3: 12.5 aromasin, 40 nolva
day4: 12.5 aromasin, 40 nolva
day5: 12.5 aromasin, 40 nolva (havent taken the nolva on this day when i did the test and took it afterwards before sleep)

i did the bw test on the 5th day of this pct and did estrodiol and total testosterone ONLY at a local lab and got the above results. i will keep aromasin at 12.5mg per day and 20 nolva until the 10th day

should i stop on the 10th day? should i still do hcg?

[trainhard10]

Alright so this is my first time on here and am hoping I'm in the area. I am going on my fourth cycle but my first three I did zero thinking, everything was done for me when it came to putting the cycle together by my former training partner. He had moved and sold me the last of what he had so I was wanting to know if anyone could help me set up a cycle with what I have. Yes I have been reading up and doing my homework but just want to be sure this is done correct. I did some research on the stuff and it both inject ables say to take once a week? I hope I'm typing this correct.
Enanthate 200mg + Boldenone Undeclynate 50mg I have three 250mg x 10ml Vials
250mg/ml x 10ml/vials x 2 = 5000 mgs testosterone propionate (30 mg); testosterone phenylpropionate (60 mg); testosterone isocaproate (60mg); and testosterone decanoate (100 mg)
and thats two of those vials.
250 10mg Danabol tabs
As far as during and after I have all the proper antiestragens figured out as well as my HCG.
Anyway I hope this is the correct area and I hope that I posted everything right and thanks for the help.
I hoping to get a 12 week cycle out of the injectable.

[ridedivefx]

Hi Ron,

I am on my 2nd week of PCT after my 1st Blast. Strength is up lost a bit at the top end but still very good. I have lost size but that cud be mostly water retention.

Since my strength is up, Does this mean I am maintaining the muscles mass I gained?

Also since my blast is done do I continue to blast (reload/delaod) through PCT and time OFF before my next blast?

I now have some access to HGH, would it be wise to use it now between 3-4iu (5on2off) or should I wait and use it with my next blast and cycle?

Can I run hgh now to help burn some fat and to help maintain or even gain some muscle mass or is it not worth it?

Will run HGH 5-6 months straight

Thanks

[Ronnie Rowland]

well wouldnt 1500iu of hcg EOD cause estrogen to elevate? wont it aromatize?Yes, it increases estrogen and the arimidex will take care of that so no need in substituting with nolvadexby the way am off cycle and wanted to double check that i need to do hcg 1500iu EOD and 25mg/day of aromasin? or its better to dose the aromasin at 12.5 EOD since am off cycle and 25mg will kill all my estro? 12.5 will suffice. can i do 3000iu of hcg x2 per wk instead? yes subq or im injections? subq i never did hcg before and am not that fimiliar with it yet! Please be aware am off cycle and am sure those doses mentioned above are kind of high?

the ancillaries i used are pharm/human grade all bought from the pharmacy and came in blisters packs, so am sure its not underdosed

update
i did further BW for just estro and total test on the 5th day of pct...now my estro used to be 69.14 (7.63-42.6) and now is 38 (11-44) and my total test was 1.67 (2.8-8.0) and now total test is 4.83 (3.0-10.6). i ran this when i started my 3rd pct 5 days ago:

day1: 37.5mg aromasin, 100clomid
day2: 37.5 aromasin, 100 clomid, 40 nolva
day3: 12.5 aromasin, 40 nolva
day4: 12.5 aromasin, 40 nolva
day5: 12.5 aromasin, 40 nolva (havent taken the nolva on this day when i did the test and took it afterwards before sleep)

i did the bw test on the 5th day of this pct which was YESTERDAY i did estrodiol and total testosterone ONLY at a local lab and got the above results. i will keep aromasin at 12.5mg per day and 20 nolva until the 10th day

should i stop on the 10th day? should i still do hcg? i would run hcg a minimum of 14 days and a maximum of 21. Keep nolvadex in fior 4 weeks

above

[Ronnie Rowland]

[QUOTE=Gi812Many;5688293]Hey Ronnie,

Not new to the site, just can not remember my previous screen name. Im starting back AS use after a 7 year period of no use. Really love the Reload/Deload idea...I did something similar back in the day but it was 16 weeks total w/ an increase in the amount of AS use at 9 weeks and a 4 week peroid where I would cruise. Looking at from that perspective I can see where this would work and probably save money as well...My question for you, Tren E...Im going to be using 500mgs of Test E, 600mgs of EQ and was going to use 300mgs of Tren E. How do you feel about running Tren so often? I think it fine to run tren often . The orals like anadrol are the ones to be concerned with 8 weeks all 3 compounds - 2 weeks 250mgs of Test E / Weekly....then obviously start up with the previous reload and maybe up the dosages? Looks good. I would not waste my money on EQ unless you need an increase in apettite. Better to use more test or tren![/QUOTE]above

[Ronnie Rowland]

sorry what i ment was if i have 2ml of test enth and 2 ml of deca 300 2 ml in each glut every sunday and nothing inbetween will i be leaving it too long apart for it to work or get in to my system and again thanks to the more experenced advise that you have gave me

That will work with the long acting esters like deca and test-e!

[Ronnie Rowland]

[QUOTE=lynxeffect1;5689770]wow ur wife looks in super shape ron! tried 15degrees (roughly anyway) and saw a big differance , really felt the chest being hit way more and hardly felt the shoulder engaging much at all. was under the impression before that the higher the incline the higher up the chest u worked, so thanks for that ron! how do the pro's manage to take steroids inda off season when there flying to differant states/ countries guest posing ? I cannot answer this on the open forum for obvious reasons. also with the extreme doses they take how do they know when theyve hit their genetic potential and are using a high enough dose that they;ll ever need to use ? Once they hit a certain point they realize more is not helping because each individual has only so many receptors to activate. They focus on insulin and GH a lot along with various steroids so taking high dosagers of steroids alone won't give you that kind of size and you must have the genetics, slin, gh and lots of protein/calories and not think maybe if i add another few grams a week il get to the next level yet again, is it basically .Taking more once you reach a certain point does not help unless you have a lot of receptors to absorb it. For example, I've seen guys go from taking 1.5 grams of test per week to 3 grams per week and the difference seen was mostly in their wallet not in their physique. And insulin and GH are just as responsible for thier size of these heavy weight pro-bodybuilder's as the various steroids. Most of us could not afford a pro cycle year round because we do not have sponsors nor could our bodies handle such high dosages without feeling sick most of the time! These men also use synthol. ..try it and see since everyone differant and u wont know otherwise? Your body will let you know when enough is enough because you will start to feel ill. I am of the belief that those with the most receptors and muscle fibers can use higher dosages while experiencing less side effects.[/QUOTE]above

[ricky23]

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