need a great post workout supplement

[dhignite]

i out in work in the gym and need to know what i can take to recover and be ready the next day to repeat

[T_Dubp]

I go with whey protein, some oats, and a banana; and plenty of sleep at night to be ready for the next days workout.

[Teufel_Hunden]

50 grams of whey protein, some fruit like a banana. Then I usually wait like 30 min and eat dinner (chicken breast and some veggies)

[IM708]

BCAAs intra workout, half hour later take 30g whey iso, 5g creatine with oats.

[javerton]

What I;ve seen recommended by all the top guys (not just pros, I mean the top trainers) is 50 grams protein and 100 grams carbs. That works out to be 2 scoops protein, 1/2 cup oats and the rest dextrose/waxy maize/maltodextrin. Gotta be mostly fast digesting carbs. Have your post post workout meal 1-2 hours later depending on your hunger (should be under two hours, if it's not make yourself eat) which would contain another 50/at least 70 split of protein and carbs..

For supplements you could use 30 grams BCAA's sipped on during your workout and 25 grams glutamine post workout.

[PistolStarta]

Any of you guys use full sugar drinks during workout? Ive been drinking gatorade w/ BCAAs and Creating Mono intraworkout.

[IM708]

What I;ve seen recommended by all the top guys (not just pros, I mean the top trainers) is 50 grams protein and 100 grams carbs. That works out to be 2 scoops protein, 1/2 cup oats and the rest dextrose/waxy maize/maltodextrin. Gotta be mostly fast digesting carbs. Have your post post workout meal 1-2 hours later depending on your hunger (should be under two hours, if it's not make yourself eat) which would contain another 50/at least 70 split of protein and carbs..

For supplements you could use 30 grams BCAA's sipped on during your workout and 25 grams glutamine post workout.

Whoa there that is WAY too high of a dose, that's ridiculous amounts of both especially since glutamine hasn't been proven worth anything. 10g BCAAs + 5g leucine intraworkout and 0g glutatime is more realistic...

[crazypat123]

BCAAs intra workout, half hour later take 30g whey iso, 5g creatine with oats.

x2

[Dukkit]

food. the best pwo supplement

applejuice. whey. cottage cheese. oats.

thats mine

[Kibble]

BCAAs intra workout, half hour later take 30g whey iso, 5g creatine with oats.

X3

[javerton]

Whoa there that is WAY too high of a dose, that's ridiculous amounts of both especially since glutamine hasn't been proven worth anything. 10g BCAAs + 5g leucine intraworkout and 0g glutatime is more realistic...

It's what all the top guys recommend - Iron addict, DC, Skip, Dave Tate and the other guys at westside and elitefts (maybe a little dirtier food methods though:P).

It's not too high of a dose, it's fine. 10 grams of bcaas will have little effect, think about it, it's just amino acids.

[IM708]

It's what all the top guys recommend - Iron addict, DC, Skip, Dave Tate and the other guys at westside and elitefts (maybe a little dirtier food methods though:P).

It's not too high of a dose, it's fine. 10 grams of bcaas will have little effect, think about it, it's just amino acids.

This post doesn't even warrant a response, jesus...


Here's a word of advice for people, don't take this guys advice.

[javerton]

This post doesn't even warrant a response, jesus...


Here's a word of advice for people, don't take this guys advice.

Yet you responded. I prefer to follow the advice of guys who have brought their physique along with hundreds of other trainees to a point of far above average than people who post things like that with absolutely no references and reason as to the recommendation.

[IM708]

Yet you responded. I prefer to follow the advice of guys who have brought their physique along with hundreds of other trainees to a point of far above average than people who post things like that with absolutely no references and reason as to the recommendation.

Why don't you post this "wonderful" information so all of us ignorant people can see the light .

By your response your also telling me that you're a parrot. Try having an original thought.

[IM708]

Yet you responded. I prefer to follow the advice of guys who have brought their physique along with hundreds of other trainees to a point of far above average than people who post things like that with absolutely no references and reason as to the recommendation.

Ok then, here's 5 studies showing glutamine supplementation to be useless...

[javerton]

Why don't you post this "wonderful" information so all of us ignorant people can see the light .

By your response your also telling me that you're a parrot. Try having an original thought.

Ok then, here's 5 studies showing glutamine supplementation to be useless...

You have just contradicted yourself. You call me a parrot, yet then you post up some studies to prove your point - you're simply doing that same thing. So gj on that one. Every opinion you own is based at least in part to someone elses points made - that is a null point and really you just made yourself look idiotic; sorry.

Studies can be very misleading depending on the type of people they train, teh definitions of trained and untrained individuals can be very ambiguous. The fact of the matter is, the guys I listed, among many others recommend this (I had it wrong actually, it was 20 grams glutamine pwo, not 25) and the fact they've experimented and gotten real results proves it, as well as my own experience - but of course that's one case, I'm talking about thousands. Thanks.

[Kibble]

I am pretty sure that those brothers get their results from AAS and food. IMO, your protein should have enough glutamine. And bro- 10 grams of BCAAs is not a waste. "They are just amino acids" is an unwise quote IMO. If that is the case, then stay away from your eggs

[javerton]

I am pretty sure that those brothers get their results from AAS and food. IMO, your protein should have enough glutamine. And bro- 10 grams of BCAAs is not a waste. "They are just amino acids" is an unwise quote IMO. If that is the case, then stay away from your eggs

No, all the trainees each train a large number of natural trainees - this is what is recommended, I don't know if the doses are moved up when on AAS, as I am still natural. I didnt' say it was a waste per se, it just won't make too much of a dent.

Fact of the matter is, the people who I believe are the most knowledgeable promote these methods and they work great for me. I've tried almost exactly the same doses the fellow I was "arguing" with, and it did nothing, the "proper" suggested doses worked very well for me.

Just try it before you knock it, I don't mean for two weeks, for an extended period of time and gauge your reaction. Of course at the end of the day you are entitled to your own methods though.

Oh and I meant "they are just amino acids" in the context of 10 grams being not much. It's like people flip out when you tell them you take 15 fish oil caps, they're like WTF. It's just one gram of fat, you get like 30 of them of the saturated kind in a quarter pounder.

[IM708]

You have just contradicted yourself. You call me a parrot, yet then you post up some studies to prove your point - you're simply doing that same thing. So gj on that one. Every opinion you own is based at least in part to someone elses points made - that is a null point and really you just made yourself look idiotic; sorry.

Studies can be very misleading depending on the type of people they train, teh definitions of trained and untrained individuals can be very ambiguous. The fact of the matter is, the guys I listed, among many others recommend this (I had it wrong actually, it was 20 grams glutamine pwo, not 25) and the fact they've experimented and gotten real results proves it, as well as my own experience - but of course that's one case, I'm talking about thousands. Thanks.

So your going to ignore science? On top of that you still havn't posted your sources. All you have been doing is trying to make yourself sound witty by filling your posts with a bunch of fluff. Now let me repeat myself, go post up all this wonderful information from these people. Do that, or stop wasting my time. I already did so now it's your turn.

[javerton]

I posted those who recommend it, the science behind it is pretty simple also, just read up on posts from the people I posted. Have you ever tried higher doses? Have you trained thousands of other people in your career? Just questions..

[peachfuzz]

What I;ve seen recommended by all the top guys (not just pros, I mean the top trainers) is 50 grams protein and 100 grams carbs. That works out to be 2 scoops protein, 1/2 cup oats and the rest dextrose/waxy maize/maltodextrin. Gotta be mostly fast digesting carbs. Have your post post workout meal 1-2 hours later depending on your hunger (should be under two hours, if it's not make yourself eat) which would contain another 50/at least 70 split of protein and carbs..

For supplements you could use 30 grams BCAA's sipped on during your workout and 25 grams glutamine post workout.

[IM708]

I posted those who recommend it, the science behind it is pretty simple also, just read up on posts from the people I posted. Have you ever tried higher doses? Have you trained thousands of other people in your career? Just questions..

No I havn't trained thousands of people and for all I know these are imaginary people you are getting your info from since you posted nothing to suggest any of these people said any such things. I asked for sources for your information, you failed and this discussion is over.

[6ft5]

I use glutamine? Its cheap too. I think it helps a little w lactic acid. Lol. So does baking soda. But that tastes like poo. I work 10 hrs constuction almost non stop 5 or 6 days a week. And hit the weights every chance I get, usualy 3 to 4 days a week. I lift heavy, hard, and a lot. Only end up a little soar. Probly the creatine tho. I really like black powder pre and WAR post, u get good pumps and fast recovery just follow the directions. Havnt used them in a wyle tho.

[javerton]

No I havn't trained thousands of people and for all I know these are imaginary people you are getting your info from since you posted nothing to suggest any of these people said any such things. I asked for sources for your information, you failed and this discussion is over.

Iron Addict
Dante at DC
Skip
Gottabehuge
Guys at EliteFTS
Westside

Read up, sounds like you could do with it.

[ray0414]

ive taken glutamine on and off over the years, cant say i ever seen ANY difference.

[(TLF) CHAMPION54]

I just read a few studies on Glutamine today in this months issue of MD magazine.
Ill try to find them online and post them up, if not ill write them out.

[(TLF) CHAMPION54]

The immune system is the ultimate limiting factor of performance. The flu or a cold can stop you in your tracks as much as a pulled hamstring or twisted knee. Glutamine is an amino acid produced mainly in skeletal muscle that is vital to the immune system function. Overtraining or extreme inactivity (i.e., bed rest) causes glutamine depletion, which suppresses the immune system and increases risk of upper respiratory infections.

Conversely, moderate-intensity exercise increases glutamine levels and strengthens the immune system. A review of literature by researchers from the University of Trieste in Italy concluded that glutamine supplements might prevent immune system suppression in intensely training athletes.

(Current Opinions Nutrition Metabolic Care, 13: 58-64, 2010)

[(TLF) CHAMPION54]

Glutamine and Arginine are conditionally essential amino acids, which means the body produces them, but they can be depleted during stress (e.g., exercise or trauma).

French researchers from Rouen University Medical Scool, in a review of lierature, concluded that supplementing glutamine and arginine might benefit critically ill patients. Both amino acids enhance absorption of the nutrients from the gut, decrease whole-body inflammation, and reduce the effects of naturally produced free radicals that are implicated in aging and immune system suppression. Combining glutamine and arginine could enhance gastrointestinal and immune function, which could benefit bodybuilders involved in intense training programs.

(Current Opinion In Clinical Nutrition and Metabolic Care, 13: 70-74, 2009)

[IM708]

I've written up on glutamine and immune function. If you read the last study I posted they demonstrated that glutamine supplementaion will not prevent immune system depression due to exercise. But it may enhance overall immune function.

That last thing you posted doesn't show that it will help athletes, they concluded that supplementing will aid critically ill people and are making an inference that it will also aid 100% healthy athletes. Comparing athletes to people on their death beds is an apples to oranges comparison.

[(TLF) CHAMPION54]

I've written up on glutamine and immune function. If you read the last study I posted they demonstrated that glutamine supplementaion will not prevent immune system depression due to exercise. But it may enhance overall immune function.

That last thing you posted doesn't show that it will help athletes, they concluded that supplementing will aid critically ill people and are making an inference that it will also aid 100% healthy athletes. Comparing athletes to people on their death beds is an apples to oranges comparison.

I wasnt picking sides or trying to get in on this argument, I was simply posting studies I read in MD magazine about Glutamine!

I thought they were somewhat interesting!