First Phera Plex cycle

[Panzerfaust]

Day 13
20mg PP
800mg Milk Thistle
1.5g Hawthorne Berry
AX Perfect Cycle
500mg Niacin
1000mcg Vit B-12
500mg Taurin


Day 14

20mg PP
800mg Milk Thistle
1.5g Hawthorne Berry
AX Perfect Cycle
500mg Niacin
1000mcg Vit B-12
500mg Taurin

Day 15

20mg PP
800mg Milk Thistle
1.5g Hawthorne Berry
AX Perfect Cycle
500mg Niacin
1000mcg Vit B-12
500mg Taurin

Got alot of sleep after getting in fro work this morning, feeling good and went to the gym and did Chest/Abs. I am getting better at mind-muscle coordination and when i rack the weight after a set i can feel my chest relieved of the weight. I am loving it and feeling more confident about my chest workouts. Went a tad heavy today, up arounf 10lbs on flat, decline and incline.

One thing to note, i started dropping my cardio to 3x a week just to keep some of the kCals i am eating just to see what that does for me. I feel like my shoulders are bigger and i feel good all over.

No sides whatsoever to report. This could not be going better although i would agree this would make for a good 4 week bulk. I got another bottle just for that in the future.

[rar1015]

Good to here its working out for ya. It makes me wanna start my pp cycle a little early!!

[Papi93]

Don't know if you have seen the trenadol thread yet but I think you should check it out.

[Panzerfaust]

Day 16

20mg PP
800mg Milk Thistle
1.5g Hawthorne Berry
AX Perfect Cycle
1000mg Niacin
1000mcg Vit B-12
500mg Taurin


I slept for 12 hours if not more (what a lazy ****) today, woke up and had a good pro/carb meal and hit the gym and had one hell of a workout.

Have you ever tried doing "21's", i saw Ronnie do them on his On the road DVD and goddamn i tried them tonight and let me tell you, they are the shit and i will be doing them from here on out. Just seem stronger in all areas thus far this week and tomorrow will be shoulders and traps and i am eager to tear them up like last week cause i feel a diffeence in them.

No sides to report and everything is still going well. I did up my doasge of Niacin to 1000mg starting this week just for the hell of it.

[LetsGetItOn]

Had a good workout, realy focused on hitting the chest and proper ROM thanks to this video: http://thefitshow.com/week3/milos_chest_med.htm

Good video man, got me even more popped up for chest day as well.

[Papi93]

Day 16

20mg PP
800mg Milk Thistle
1.5g Hawthorne Berry
AX Perfect Cycle
1000mg Niacin
1000mcg Vit B-12
500mg Taurin


I slept for 12 hours if not more (what a lazy ****) today, woke up and had a good pro/carb meal and hit the gym and had one hell of a workout.

Have you ever tried doing "21's", i saw Ronnie do them on his On the road DVD and goddamn i tried them tonight and let me tell you, they are the shit and i will be doing them from here on out. Just seem stronger in all areas thus far this week and tomorrow will be shoulders and traps and i am eager to tear them up like last week cause i feel a diffeence in them.

No sides to report and everything is still going well. I did up my doasge of Niacin to 1000mg starting this week just for the hell of it.

What order was the 21's? Top half, bottom half, and full ROM (for example)?

[Panzerfaust]

Sorry for not updating, i have been busy, quick reply here: Bottom Half, Top Half, Full ROM...talk about PUMP, it definately hits all angles of the bicep.

[rar1015]

Are the pumps pretty painfull?

[Papi93]

Sorry for not updating, i have been busy, quick reply here: Bottom Half, Top Half, Full ROM...talk about PUMP, it definately hits all angles of the bicep.

You went from your strongest range to your weakest. That would definitely be tough when you got to the full ROM's.

[Panzerfaust]

Day 17

20mg PP
800mg Milk Thistle
1.5g Hawthorne Berry
AX Perfect Cycle
1000mg Niacin
1000mcg Vit B-12
500mg Taurin

Day 18

20mg PP
800mg Milk Thistle
1.5g Hawthorne Berry
AX Perfect Cycle
1000mg Niacin
1000mcg Vit B-12
500mg Taurin

Day 19

20mg PP
800mg Milk Thistle
1.5g Hawthorne Berry
AX Perfect Cycle
1000mg Niacin
1000mcg Vit B-12
500mg Taurin

Just got in form one hellacious back/abs workout. Made it quick/intense and short (50 minutes), threw on 225lbs to hammer out some deads which is pretty heavy for me but i am feeling it, so i went with it. Now i am headed to work for the weekend. I don't know what it is, the extra few kCals i have added to my diet or the PP kicking into high gear but i am tearing shit apart in the gym, my shoulders are looking much fuller and my mind/muscle coordination is very good and that is something it seems i just caught onto although i know that's how you are supposed to lift, it's like the last 3 weeks i have just started to lift properly, it's wierd.

Once again, no back pumps, no sides in the slightest to report. I am definately doing a full on bulk the next time around.


Papi:

If you have'nt tried doing "21's", give them a shot. 3 sets and you will be pumped as hell.

[Panzerfaust]

Day 20

20mg PP
800mg Milk Thistle
1.5g Hawthorne Berry
AX Perfect Cycle
1000mg Niacin
1000mcg Vit B-12
500mg Taurin

Day 21

20mg PP
800mg Milk Thistle
1.5g Hawthorne Berry
AX Perfect Cycle
1000mg Niacin
1000mcg Vit B-12
500mg Taurin


Just got in from working the weekend. Ready to get to the gym after some sleep to continue building on this momentum that i have got right now. I have kept my kCals high and am feeling good and just wanna keep lifting and improving.

Once again i have no sides to report.

[unvme9180]

muriloninja how has PP affected your libido? I just finished SD and it crushed mine and I have a bottle of PP I was planning on running later this year. Hoping that PP wont do to me what SD did, libido wise.

[Quil]

Good to hear all is going well for you..I'm considering a PP cycle in another month or so. Are you going to have before/after pics?

[Papi93]

Day 17

Papi:

If you have'nt tried doing "21's", give them a shot. 3 sets and you will be pumped as hell.

I used to do them back in college (mid 90's) with my workout partner. You have to be a little conservative with the weights, at first. It puts your biceps under a long period of time under tension. We used to do them on the adjustable incline bench (incline db curls - 21's). If you haven't tried them on the adjustable incline bench, give it a try.

[Papi93]

muriloninja how has PP affected your libido? I just finished SD and it crushed mine and I have a bottle of PP I was planning on running later this year. Hoping that PP wont do to me what SD did, libido wise.

When on PP, your libido will remain the same. I didn't have any problems like others have with SD.

[Panzerfaust]

When on PP, your libido will remain the same. I didn't have any problems like others have with SD.

My libido has not been affected at all. I am anxious to see if it is affected after this week when i start PCT.

Just got in from Chest/Legs/Abs and am pretty fatigued from it. I decided to thorw in some leg work as i have ben slacking on them lately to focus more on my weak point (chest).

[rar1015]

Have you gain that much weigh?

[rar1015]

Have you gained any weight?

[rar1015]

Oops sorry.......i didnt mean to post that twice.

[unvme9180]

glad to hear the libido stayed in tact. PP is next on my list and I dont want to go through what Im going through now after doing SD.

[Papi93]

My libido has not been affected at all. I am anxious to see if it is affected after this week when i start PCT.

Just got in from Chest/Legs/Abs and am pretty fatigued from it. I decided to thorw in some leg work as i have ben slacking on them lately to focus more on my weak point (chest).

My libido was affected during PCT. There was a very noticable decrease. Everyone is different though.

[Papi93]

glad to hear the libido stayed in tact. PP is next on my list and I dont want to go through what Im going through now after doing SD.

PP can decrease your libido during PCT. Make sure you know what you need, supplement-wise (tongkat ali, etc), if your libido starts to give you problems.

[Panzerfaust]

Day 22

20mg PP
800mg Milk Thistle
1.5g Hawthorne Berry
AX Perfect Cycle
1000mg Niacin
1000mcg Vit B-12
500mg Taurin

Weighed in today at 203lbs, that is up 7lbs if i am correct. Pretty good 7lbs as i look thicker in areas and feel good. It was only these last two weeks that i ave increased my kClas, if i had to do over i would have had them higher throughout this cycle. Another learning expierement.

Just got in from another intense Bicep/Tricep workout and finished it up with 32 minutes of cardio.


No sides to report and i am going to need to get some more Milk Thistle and probably should get some Tongkat Ali just in case.

[Panzerfaust]

Day 23

20mg PP
800mg Milk Thistle
1.5g Hawthorne Berry
AX Perfect Cycle
1000mg Niacin
1000mcg Vit B-12
500mg Taurin


Day 24

20mg PP
AX Perfect Cycle
1000mg Niacin

Left my girlfriends place and forgot my supps, so i had to crack open my other bottle of PP just to get today's dosage in. Had her bring my supps over when she came later that eveing and i went ahead and dropped some Niacin and AX Perfect Cycle.

Had another killer shoulder workout tonight, this shit is getting so crazy that i am killing myself. I have to lean on everything to relieve my shoulders of the pain..the improvements are kicking ass. I think i am going to continue keeping ym kCals higher than normal for a while while i have this momentum going and then start another cutter, my body needed a break from cutting, i had been cutting for years and my body is loving this shit, i feel so much better in the gym now and not as weak and mentally i feel better.

Will be starting PCT on Monday buy would love to keep going, i feel like i am just getting this momentum going and i don't want it to stop.

[Panzerfaust]

Day 25

20mg PP
800mg Milk Thistle
1.5g Hawthorne Berry
AX Perfect Cycle
1000mg Niacin
1000mcg Vit B-12
500mg Taurin

Just got in from a good back/ab workout...short, intense and sweet. Went shopping for clothes today and holy shit i have put on some size. Stuff just was'nt as comportable as it should have been but in the long run it's all good.

I am wondering if i should continue to keep my kCals high during PCT as well? Another thing i would like to ask is, i am going to split my PCT up into two doses a day.

So something like 20 Nolva in the morning etc. 20 Nolva 6-8hrs later just like i am doing with my PP. Anybody against this approach?

Thanks for reading guys, but this PP cycle is coming to an end...off to work for the weekend.


PCT looks like this:

PCT:

Week 1-2

Nolva at 40mg ED
AX Retain
AX PCT
Hawthorne Berry
Milk Thistle
Multi Vitamin

Week 3-4

Nolva at 20mg ED
AX Retain
AX PCT
Hawthorne Berry
Milk Thistle
Multi Vitamin

[sonar1234]

Would you have some before and after pictures to show progress that would be quit nice.

I am back in the gym myself going easy right now, i plan on starting my phera plex when i get back from vacation this means in about 3 weeks or so.

[sonar1234]

Would you have some before and after pictures to show progress that would be quit nice.

I am back in the gym myself going easy right now, i plan on starting my phera plex when i get back from vacation this means in about 3 weeks or so.

[rar1015]

Thats good man. I cant wait to start my phera plex cycle which will be in about 2 weeks.

[Panzerfaust]

Day 26

20mg PP
800mg Milk Thistle
1.5g Hawthorne Berry
AX Perfect Cycle
1000mg Niacin
1000mcg Vit B-12
500mg Taurin

Day 27

20mg PP
800mg Milk Thistle
1.5g Hawthorne Berry
AX Perfect Cycle
1000mg Niacin
1000mcg Vit B-12
500mg Taurin

Day 28

20mg PP
800mg Milk Thistle
1.5g Hawthorne Berry
AX Perfect Cycle
1000mg Niacin
1000mcg Vit B-12
500mg Taurin

I am officially done with this PP cycle...what a ride and i am saddened that it has ended, i truly felt i was just getting everything going good and making good gains.

One mistake that i learned was that i should have decided to do a bulking run instead of a cutter, i do not believe PP should be used as a cutter. It was only after i raised my kCals starting week 3 that io began feeling better and lifting heavier and i am sure some of that came from the simple fact that i was finally taking in more kCals as opposed to a constant calorie deficit thati have been on for years.

I have gained some BF% but nothing i can't take off in weeks by adding the cardio back into the mix. I feel self concious now that i have put on some weight, let me cut this up a little bit guy's and i might post pics, i am not into posting pics for critique as i am my biggest critic (ask my girlfriend).

I will weigh in tomorrow and that will be the official weight gained while on PP.


PCT has now begun:

Day 1

8:30am

20mg Nolva
Milk Thistle
Hawthorne Berry
AX PCT
AX Retain

When i wake up i plan to take the other 20mg Nolva etc...

Is there any problem splitting PCT up into 2x a day or should i take it all once daily?

Going to go get some sleep...later

[Papi93]

Day 26

20mg PP
800mg Milk Thistle
1.5g Hawthorne Berry
AX Perfect Cycle
1000mg Niacin
1000mcg Vit B-12
500mg Taurin

Day 27

20mg PP
800mg Milk Thistle
1.5g Hawthorne Berry
AX Perfect Cycle
1000mg Niacin
1000mcg Vit B-12
500mg Taurin

Day 28

20mg PP
800mg Milk Thistle
1.5g Hawthorne Berry
AX Perfect Cycle
1000mg Niacin
1000mcg Vit B-12
500mg Taurin

I am officially done with this PP cycle...what a ride and i am saddened that it has ended, i truly felt i was just getting everything going good and making good gains.

One mistake that i learned was that i should have decided to do a bulking run instead of a cutter, i do not believe PP should be used as a cutter. It was only after i raised my kCals starting week 3 that io began feeling better and lifting heavier and i am sure some of that came from the simple fact that i was finally taking in more kCals as opposed to a constant calorie deficit thati have been on for years.

I have gained some BF% but nothing i can't take off in weeks by adding the cardio back into the mix. I feel self concious now that i have put on some weight, let me cut this up a little bit guy's and i might post pics, i am not into posting pics for critique as i am my biggest critic (ask my girlfriend).

I will weigh in tomorrow and that will be the official weight gained while on PP.


PCT has now begun:

Day 1

8:30am

20mg Nolva
Milk Thistle
Hawthorne Berry
AX PCT
AX Retain

When i wake up i plan to take the other 20mg Nolva etc...

Is there any problem splitting PCT up into 2x a day or should i take it all once daily?

Going to go get some sleep...later

Are speaking about splitting the nolva up? It's not necessary (long half-life) but you can if you like.

[rar1015]

Are speaking about splitting the nolva up? It's not necessary (long half-life) but you can if you like.

I dont really mean to hijack but what is the half life of nolva?

[Papi93]

I dont really mean to hijack but what is the half life of nolva?

5-7 days.

[rar1015]

That long huh. Cool thanks man.

[Panzerfaust]

Ok, just got in from a mad chest/mild ab workout and finished up with cardio.

I will start taking all my Nolva at the same time but will go ahead and take some more milk thistle, hawthorne berry later in the day. I got some Tongkat Ali on the way, damn it was a bit expensive though, not sure if i will need it but oh well.

[Panzerfaust]

Day 2 PCT

40mg Nolva
AX Retain
AX PCT
Hawthorne Berry
Multi Vitamin

Weighed in today at 203lbs...if i remember correctly i started at 196lbs so that is a good 7lbs or so..could have been more no doubt, i just started playing around and eating more kCals the last 2 weeks, i not all of it was clean...definately wanna do a bulk next time round.

Gonna take another dose of Retain and Hawthorne Berry as well as Milk Thistle later today. Will take all the Nolva at once in the AM.


What kind of diet should i follow during PCT, keep the kCals up? I am ready to start doing more AM cardio but am not sure just yet...

[Quil]

I'd keep the cals up, and possibly throw in some CEE to help keep the strength gains.

[Papi93]

That long huh. Cool thanks man.

If you go to anabolic -research.com, and look in the PCT forum, there is a thread on the half-life of nolva.

[Panzerfaust]

Got my Tongkat Ali today, i don't think i will take it unless needed.

[rar1015]

How is the pct going so far?

[rake922]

Here is a pic from January 2006 at 195lbs. I have made many improvements but am far from being "shredded".

I read this whole thread over again... I don't see the pic from Jan06