For all those taking Superdrol.....

**notorious_mem** · 11-01-2006, 11:03 PM

good read

**AnabolicBoy1981** · 11-01-2006, 11:57 PM

Originally Posted by notorious_mem

good read

depressing read is what it was

**Giants11** · 11-02-2006, 09:59 AM

Originally Posted by AnabolicBoy1981

what to make of this ?well, it looks like the subject was kinda fat. maybe that was part of it. fat ppl always have kidney issues. goin on roids is kinda like havin surgery. You shouldnt do it if you are really fat.
as far as the rectal bleeding, that was very strange but throeretically increased hemocrit and rbc count could make you blow a hemmoroid easier.
it looks like the liver was normalized from what they said. however it is not clear if his kidneys ever normalized. they said they didnt improve with intravenous hydration, but they did not follow up. But by Devils deity's post this read
"Kidney disease usually cannot be cured. Once the tiny filtering units are damaged, they cannot be repaired. Treatment focuses on slowing the progression of the disease and preventing complications. One complication is high blood pressure, which further damages glomeruli. A class of medicines called ACE inhibitors protects kidney function not only by lowering blood pressure but also by reducing the loss of protein into the urine."
this was iga nephropathy they were talkin about. So basically it sounds like it could reeally fvck you. Not good. Not good at all.

I have 5 bottles of the shiit at home. I really wanted to see what it could do, but, now it looks like its not worth it. Heck, it might clog your filters even on a minute level, and then over time catch up with you. You might never have symtoms till your 50. If the damage is real small theoretically you may not have symptoms.....yet.
Notice how they said no studies on testosterone caused the kidney crap? "IgA nephropathy has not been described previously in association with the use of testosterone. " This just reaffirms my belief that good old fashioned straight testosterone is one of the safest and more predictable and controlable compounds there is. Overall, you cant really beat it. These new hybrid hormones, theres just no telling whats goin on. Just when you think you know enough, boom, somethin happens. It looks like SD is out for me. Disapointing really, but.
Oh well, i still got 2 bottles of MAX lmg! Im interested to see what that can do also. Fortunetly its not a c17.

Let us all thank Giant for bringing this to our attention and saving our kidneys.
Thanks buddy.

I don't think he was fat necessarily. The study used BMI which does not take into account LBM, all of us would be considered obese by BMI standards, even if you were 6'2" 255 4% BF, because BMI is calculated by height and weight.

**xlxBigSexyxlx** · 11-02-2006, 12:05 PM

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I wonder if its just SD inparticular, or all/most OTC "pro steroids ".

I got a bottle of it. What do I do? Toss it? Dog food? Get real gear? get more "pro steroids"(non methaylated)?

**notorious_mem** · 11-02-2006, 12:08 PM

maybe he was allergic too one of the ingredients like a 1 in a million chance.

**AnabolicBoy1981** · 11-02-2006, 05:16 PM

Originally Posted by notorious_mem

maybe he was allergic too one of the ingredients like a 1 in a million chance.

Doesnt look it. I mean, if you remember they said that the type of nephropathy SD produced is often assaciated with liver issues also. This may be key. We know for sure that SD is liver toxic, and this toxicity may invade the kidneys if you will. There does seem to be a relationship. Both organs filter stuff. If perhaps the SD is causing an undetected toxic byproduct to be expelled from the liver, its possible that the kidneys may then have to deal with it, and maybe in this instance they can't. We just dont know, but there is def a real relationship between the two it seems that we cant ignore.
And dont think a little milk thistle and what not can de-stress the liver enough to where this kidney thing wont be apparent. All herbs can do is help.

Now knowing liver toxixty was high with SD never bothered me. The liver is very resiliant. I was more concerened with plumeting HDL levels if anything, and sore joints. However, this kidney think has me spooked to be honest. Kidneys are simply not as resiliant as the liver so it seems. The liver can reverse damge when stresses are removed. The kidneys, i dunno. Plus, my dad has kidney stones. I would rather be puking up green bile then ever have anykind of kidney problem.
I will be lookin up stuff on kidneys now as much as i can, to see what else botheres them. I really, until reading the Devils deitys post, was not aware that the kidneys were so crappy a cleaning themselves.

**xlxBigSexyxlx** · 11-03-2006, 12:47 AM

speaking of kidney stones.

I finsihed up SD about july i suppose, and just a few weeks back, actually drank for the first time in awhile. and that night...got taken to the ER for a 6mm stone, which is a big one. Didnt think much of it, but now looking at this, maybe they r related.

Should I run it again sometime? or just look for something else. cuz this has me spooked as well....

**king6** · 11-03-2006, 06:05 AM

Trade it in for some test e and d bol.

**sock** · 11-03-2006, 08:51 AM

Originally Posted by AnabolicBoy1981

ok, u each oh me 5$

sorry you spent $, I was able to access this article at work for free.

**-DedicateD-** · 11-03-2006, 06:28 PM

wow, sorry for the late response ive been away for a bit losing all my deals (commercial mortgage broker).

diet was strong at the time of the pic, a lean bulk low on carbs no cardio tho

that pic was taken after my first cycle of SD since then i have done 1 more

but i have neglected to get bloodwork done...not smart but with almost a year inbetween my 2 SD cycles and proper precautions/pct im somewhat confident im in good shape

although i do believe it is better to know then to guess

**xlxBigSexyxlx** · 11-04-2006, 01:46 AM

Originally Posted by -DedicateD-

wow, sorry for the late response ive been away for a bit losing all my deals (commercial mortgage broker).

diet was strong at the time of the pic, a lean bulk low on carbs no cardio tho

that pic was taken after my first cycle of SD since then i have done 1 more

but i have neglected to get bloodwork done...not smart but with almost a year inbetween my 2 SD cycles and proper precautions/pct im somewhat confident im in good shape

although i do believe it is better to know then to guess

true, if you decide to get everything checked out by the doc, let us know how it goes.

**matt50** · 11-05-2006, 09:46 PM

well i just cut my SD cycle short after reading this...i was doing a 4 week cycle and stopped at the end of the third week...reading this has me spooked as well since my dad has had kidney stone problems and i don't want to have those problems as well....

**matt50** · 11-05-2006, 09:47 PM

well i just cut my SD cycle short after reading this...i was doing a 4 week cycle and stopped at the end of the third week...reading this has me spooked as well since my dad has had kidney stone problems and i don't want to have those problems as well....

**CoreyTampa09** · 11-06-2006, 02:04 AM

Debating on stopping my SNS Methyl Drol cycle after this first week. I saw my strength increase as well as some side even on maintence cals. Reading this has spooked me quite a bit. What just concerns me is, how is there only one case we can attain of SD being harmful for probally the hundreds of thousands that have taken this successfully without any cases of problems.

**macrophage69alpha** · 11-06-2006, 01:21 PM

there are likely much less than 100,000 people that have used superdrol. And for every 1 reported case (media) there are likely a hundred more. most people dont relate kidney problems with AAS use, so probably dont even mention it to doctor.

many of the steroids in VIDA's book were not developed because of toxicity.

now that being said, it is possible that this is an isolated incident. Though superdrol is widely held to be very toxic, so such an issue should not come as a surprise.

**Giants11** · 11-06-2006, 02:16 PM

Originally Posted by macrophage69alpha

there are likely much less than 100,000 people that have used superdrol. And for every 1 reported case (media) there are likely a hundred more. most people dont relate kidney problems with AAS use, so probably dont even mention it to doctor.

many of the steroids in VIDA's book were not developed because of toxicity.

now that being said, it is possible that this is an isolated incident. Though superdrol is widely held to be very toxic, so such an issue should not come as a surprise.

What is also concering ios the lack of data we have on it.

I mean there are at least years of research with most AAS. Can't say the same for these modern day Pro-steroids.

**CoreyTampa09** · 11-06-2006, 03:06 PM

They are modern day steroids yes, but isnt the original form of this a steroid that has much information regarding it?

**skr0w** · 11-06-2006, 07:31 PM

My friend has taken it and loved it. No jaundice

**AnabolicBoy1981** · 11-06-2006, 08:24 PM

Originally Posted by macrophage69alpha

there are likely much less than 100,000 people that have used superdrol. And for every 1 reported case (media) there are likely a hundred more. most people dont relate kidney problems with AAS use, so probably dont even mention it to doctor.

many of the steroids in VIDA's book were not developed because of toxicity.

now that being said, it is possible that this is an isolated incident. Though superdrol is widely held to be very toxic, so such an issue should not come as a surprise.

Yes. thats true. I have thoguht about this as well.

And i mean, for those who have "succesfully" ran it, there could be kidney filters that instead of being 90% clogged like this guy in the study, they may only have 15% or something, which they might not even notice for years. Maybe not for another 20. I hope to god nobody here has this. BUT, i suggest everyone who has used SD get a kidney function test ASAP. This aint no joke.

I feel like such an idiot for even almost trying that stuff and almost letting my brother try it too. Had this article been posted a month later it would have been to late. rrrrrrrrg...

**CoreyTampa09** · 11-07-2006, 12:21 AM

In the study didnt they say he also ran it for 6 weeks and an unreal amt of pills at that with no PCT. Im sure that also has an effect opposed to the educated user who runs it for 3 weeks at 20mgs with proper liver support and PCT.

**Fat Ryan** · 11-07-2006, 03:38 AM

so...are these OTC supps like SD comparable to actual roids when it comes to gains?

**Fat Ryan** · 11-07-2006, 03:38 AM

*duplicate*

**Giants11** · 11-07-2006, 10:19 AM

Originally Posted by CoreyTampa09

In the study didnt they say he also ran it for 6 weeks and an unreal amt of pills at that with no PCT. Im sure that also has an effect opposed to the educated user who runs it for 3 weeks at 20mgs with proper liver support and PCT.

He did not run an unreal amount he wen tup to 20mg per day. That's what reccomended and 6 weeks has become rather typical.

PCT would only affect your endoctrine system.

**Giants11** · 11-07-2006, 10:20 AM

Originally Posted by Fat Ryan

so...are these OTC supps like SD comparable to actual roids when it comes to gains?

Yes they sure are....

But what you need to ask yourself is at what price?

**macrophage69alpha** · 11-07-2006, 01:24 PM

Originally Posted by CoreyTampa09

They are modern day steroids yes, but isnt the original form of this a steroid that has much information regarding it?

no. its does not. the research on most designer steroids was very preliminary and used the old levator ani test which has been found to be widely innaccurate (measure of anabolism v. androgenicity). That being the extent of the research on many of them.

what is pretty clear from all the anecdotal user information is that it is an extremely toxic oral steroid , much more so than anadrol , winstrol and other orals generally considered to be "toxic".

**sock** · 11-07-2006, 02:24 PM

Originally Posted by macrophage69alpha

what is pretty clear from all the anecdotal user information is that it is an extremely toxic oral steroid, much more so than anadrol, winstrol and other orals generally considered to be "toxic".

3 btls of sd in the freezer. At this point, I am ready to toss them.

**Giants11** · 11-07-2006, 02:31 PM

Originally Posted by macrophage69alpha

no. its does not. the research on most designer steroids was very preliminary and used the old levator ani test which has been found to be widely innaccurate (measure of anabolism v. androgenicity). That being the extent of the research on many of them.

what is pretty clear from all the anecdotal user information is that it is an extremely toxic oral steroid, much more so than anadrol, winstrol and other orals generally considered to be "toxic".

And without years of data to back it up.....

**embalmer** · 11-07-2006, 03:43 PM

wow this sucks. i was bout to do it... m1t here we go

**-DedicateD-** · 11-07-2006, 06:44 PM

based on this information, can we assume that SD is the most toxic oral PERIOD?

I dont regret doing my cycles as i was aware of the high toxicity of the supplement. I assume now i was mistaken to think this supplement was along similar lines in terms of toxicity to other strong oral steriods (excluding anavar )

In short, although i was not necessarily planning another oral cycle but if i choose to go with another oral steroid for a future cycle i would be "safer" to go with almost anything else. or so it seems

Originally Posted by macrophage69alpha

no. its does not. the research on most designer steroids was very preliminary and used the old levator ani test which has been found to be widely innaccurate (measure of anabolism v. androgenicity). That being the extent of the research on many of them.

what is pretty clear from all the anecdotal user information is that it is an extremely toxic oral steroid, much more so than anadrol, winstrol and other orals generally considered to be "toxic".

**Giants11** · 11-08-2006, 10:18 AM

Originally Posted by -DedicateD-

based on this information, can we assume that SD is the most toxic oral PERIOD?

I dont regret doing my cycles as i was aware of the high toxicity of the supplement. I assume now i was mistaken to think this supplement was along similar lines in terms of toxicity to other strong oral steriods (excluding anavar )

In short, although i was not necessarily planning another oral cycle but if i choose to go with another oral steroid for a future cycle i would be "safer" to go with almost anything else. or so it seems

I wouldn't say the most Toxic ever....

As meythl Tren is def by far the most, Cheque Drop are up there as well so is M1T.

But I would def say that Superdrol is up there for sure. We know for a fact that is it brutal on one cholesterol, as well as liver. IMO its just not worth it considering the alteratives that can yeild similar gains.

Granted the alternatives are illegal, but these Legal loophole pro-steroids , IMO are just dangerous.

**hawktribal** · 11-08-2006, 10:28 AM

Originally Posted by Giants11

I wouldn't say the most Toxic ever....

As meythl Tren is def by far the most, Cheque Drop are up there as well so is M1T.

But I would def say that Superdrol is up there for sure. We know for a fact that is it brutal on one cholesterol, as well as liver. IMO its just not worth it considering the alteratives that can yeild similar gains.

Granted the alternatives are illegal, but these Legal loophole pro-steroids, IMO are just dangerous.

I think this is dead on. True steroid orals are less toxic and produce the same/better gains than these designer steroids . I don't see any reason for people to continue risking the dangers of these unknown products.

**macrophage69alpha** · 11-08-2006, 10:32 AM

access... and less than adequate information provided by sellers (though they have less than adequate information (to some extent) so its not surprising).

as a note it costs less than 2$ to make a 90ct bottle of superdrol, so the profit potential outwieghs the need to legitimately inform the consumer (with what toxicity information they do have)

**sock** · 11-09-2006, 01:57 PM

Originally Posted by macrophage69alpha

access... and less than adequate information provided by sellers (though they have less than adequate information (to some extent) so its not surprising).

as a note it costs less than 2$ to make a 90ct bottle of superdrol, so the profit potential outwieghs the need to legitimately inform the consumer (with what toxicity information they do have)

I am curious as to what toxicity or safety studies they run, if at all. For that matter, the whole supp industry; as they are not regulated by FDA.

**Fat Ryan** · 11-12-2006, 09:03 PM

hey, my friends i lift with are taking "S-Drol", which is supposed to be equivalent to superdrol. i told them about this post i read, but is this s-drol just as bad?

**xlxBigSexyxlx** · 11-12-2006, 09:17 PM

Originally Posted by Fat Ryan

hey, my friends i lift with are taking "S-Drol", which is supposed to be equivalent to superdrol. i told them about this post i read, but is this s-drol just as bad?

If it is the same compound as superdrol, which you say it is, then yes, it is equally as bad because it is the same thing.

Alot of people think lightly on these "pro steroids ", and do not look enough into them. Its not stuff to play around with, and if not ran properly, kiss your gains goodbye.

**Fat Ryan** · 11-12-2006, 09:33 PM

ok, well ill let them know. thanx

**D-Bo Dre** · 11-12-2006, 09:55 PM

Prior to my SD cycle (April 06') I ran blood work and the doc said I was good to go. A week after a 4 week cycle 10/20/20/20 with all supporting supps throughout and pct I ran complete blood work again and yielded almost identical results. My cholesterol was just slightly higher but the doc mentioned that with a steady diet and continual exercise It would drop to normal again. I am planning to take my final SD cycle in Jan 07' after a planned bulking diet.. I am not sure what to think after this article. It seems that many are spooked..

**CoreyTampa09** · 11-13-2006, 02:25 AM

Just curious, when cholesterol spikes and obviously a good diet will be followed...how long does it normaly take for ones cholesterol to resume normal levels prior to cycling.

**grvdigr1** · 11-13-2006, 09:34 AM

Originally Posted by CoreyTampa09

Just curious, when cholesterol spikes and obviously a good diet will be followed...how long does it normaly take for ones cholesterol to resume normal levels prior to cycling.

It takes me a couple of months, going heavy on fish oil and niacin(doctors orders) they work extremely well. I also read that naicin in large amounts will actually get rid of plaque build up where as statins wont.

**D-Bo Dre** · 11-13-2006, 11:09 AM

Originally Posted by grvdigr1

It takes me a couple of months, going heavy on fish oil and niacin(doctors orders) they work extremely well. I also read that naicin in large amounts will actually get rid of plaque build up where as statins wont.

I took flush-free niacin and also a product called Censor which contains O_mega-3.. Cholesterol returned to normal levels