protein shake-a silent killer

**muhammad1185** · 01-28-2009, 11:07 AM

hey guys,

im looking into protein shakes and the long term effects, im hoping to devise a post summing up all you need to know about shakes,

its shocking, i wasnt aware these shakes have so many long term effects such as blood cancer, stomach cancer etc.

if any of you have any experiences, links to good resources i.e. journals, studies, i would really appreciate if you could post these up.

many thanks

**xlxBigSexyxlx** · 01-28-2009, 11:27 AM

oh god....

**Big** · 01-28-2009, 11:34 AM

I like the next article in that series:
"Why are Complex Carbs Rapists?"

**Narkissos** · 01-28-2009, 11:38 AM

Originally Posted by muhammad1185

its shocking, i wasnt aware these shakes have so many long term effects such as blood cancer, stomach cancer etc.

What?

**xlxBigSexyxlx** · 01-28-2009, 11:41 AM

ON's 100% Whey

Protein Blend(Whey Protein Isolates, Whey Protein Concentrate, Whey Peptides), Cocoa(Processed With Alkali), Coffee, Natural And Artificial Flavor, Lecithin, Acesulfame Potassium, Aminogen®, Sucralose, Lactase

yep....thats cancer right there....watch out

I guess I should stop eating chicken too, along with my other protein sources.

lol, I thought whey was being used to fight cancer in some studies....

**Reed** · 01-28-2009, 11:44 AM

Oh there a silent killer but not in the way your thinking.......

**xlxBigSexyxlx** · 01-28-2009, 11:45 AM

Originally Posted by Reed

Oh there a silent killer but not in the way your thinking.......

**goose** · 01-28-2009, 11:47 AM

artificial sweetener are not good.Aspartame is banned in japan.Muscle tec use it in most of the products they have.
Even Sucralose has some studies that that confirm danger.

**xlxBigSexyxlx** · 01-28-2009, 12:04 PM

Naturade's 100% Whey

Whey protein isolate, whey protein concentrate, hydrolyzed whey protein, natural flavor, xanthan gum, medium chain triglycerides, papain, bromelain, L-valine, L-isoleucine, L-leucine, L-histidine, L-glutamine.

Free of:
Aspartame, acesulfame K, artificial sweeteners, artificial flavors, colors or preservatives, MSG.

Im gonna die....

**xlxBigSexyxlx** · 01-28-2009, 12:06 PM

ON's Any Whey

Protein Blend (Whey Protein Isolate, Whey Protein Concentrate, Whey Protein Hydrolysate), Natural Flavor, Lecithin.

still dead....

**xlxBigSexyxlx** · 01-28-2009, 12:07 PM

Originally Posted by goose

artificial sweetener are not good.Aspartame is banned in japan.Muscle tec use it in most of the products they have.
Even Sucralose has some studies that that confirm danger.

isn't splenda sucralose?
I stopped using Splenda after that whole, its bad for you deal

**goose** · 01-28-2009, 12:13 PM

Originally Posted by xlxBigSexyxlx

isn't splenda sucralose?
I stopped using Splenda after that whole, its bad for you deal

Yes it is.....

I avoid them all.Im not a fan of whey too,anything from dairy products.

Organic Hemp Protein is what im in love with,have not been using it long but wow Im in love.It contain live enzymes, active phyto-nutrients, vitamins, minerals, EAAs, and EFAs and full chain amino acid,and high in Dietary Fibre.

**xlxBigSexyxlx** · 01-28-2009, 12:15 PM

Originally Posted by goose

Yes it is.....

I avoid them all.Im not a fan of whey too,anything from dairy products.

Organic Hemp Protein is what im in love with,have not been using it long but wow Im in love.It contain live enzymes, active phyto-nutrients, vitamins, minerals, EAAs, and EFAs and full chain amino acid,and high in Dietary Fibre.

dang. hemp protein is where its at!

But thats a shake, so your dead too

**suzuki99** · 01-28-2009, 12:20 PM

I just died Muhammed

**RATTLEHEAD** · 01-28-2009, 12:29 PM

this is the dumbest thing ive ever seen. ANYTHING in excess is bad for you. that's all you should concerned with. everyone is going to die someday, the chances of it being from an artificial sweetner or your protein is so close to none it shouldn't even be considered. You have a better chance getting hit by a car leaving the damn gym...

**Jfew44** · 01-28-2009, 12:38 PM

Originally Posted by muhammad1185

hey guys,

im looking into protein shakes and the long term effects, im hoping to devise a post summing up all you need to know about shakes,

its shocking, i wasnt aware these shakes have so many long term effects such as blood cancer, stomach cancer etc.

if any of you have any experiences, links to good resources i.e. journals, studies, i would really appreciate if you could post these up.

many thanks

Um... Please post a link to whatever studies you have seen these long term effects on protein shakes because that's one of the most rediculous claims I have ever heard.

**Narkissos** · 01-28-2009, 01:02 PM

Originally Posted by goose

Even Sucralose has some studies that that confirm danger.

Post 'em.

**goose** · 01-28-2009, 01:12 PM

Originally Posted by *Narkissos*

Post 'em.

http://www.redicecreations.com/speci...sucralose.html

I think Stevia is the best sweeter out,great in shakes,but terrible in coffee.

**j4ever41** · 01-28-2009, 01:52 PM

sorry i use splenda

**Noles12** · 01-28-2009, 02:59 PM

I think im gonna go read my jugs fine print to see its long term effects and side effects. I think they might even include death. I want to know where you heard this ridiculous claim. Yes eating real food is better than drinking 10 shakes a day. But it is not because it causes cancer

**Lifenutrition** · 01-28-2009, 03:13 PM

Protein shakes.. + Cancer... Um what? LOL unless your shakes are filled with abestos or radioactive protein.. idk dude

**IM708** · 01-28-2009, 03:50 PM

Don't start bringing up this aspartame is bad for you crap.

**Narkissos** · 01-28-2009, 05:03 PM

Originally Posted by goose

http://www.redicecreations.com/speci...sucralose.html

I don't see any 'studies' on that link.

Just a mercola article.

An article which references this site: http://www.holisticmed.com/

^^A Holistic healing site.

Both sites reference another compound, as opposed to sucralose itself... demonizing sucralose by attributing the 'related' compound's attributes to sucralose.

I'm yet to see a study however.

I would be interested in seeing one if you can find it.

-CNS

**jimmyinkedup** · 01-28-2009, 05:07 PM

little ot - but doesnt acesulfame K (sweetener also) go through the body undigested or assimilated at all?
I also dont wanna hear how an artificial sweetener at a huge dose gave rats cancer (if it can even be found). Dosage equivalent in humans to like 2 lbs a day or some crap - study or not.....

**IM708** · 01-28-2009, 05:30 PM

little ot - but doesnt acesulfame K (sweetener also) go through the body undigested or assimilated at all?

Basically that's the idea behind them. Some are digested but very poorly. Also the amount that does get absorbed is insignificant since ex: aspartame is 200x sweeter than sucrose so you only need 1/200 of the amount to get the same sweetness.

**legobricks** · 01-28-2009, 05:55 PM

Well maybe i should think twice about having that PWO death cocktail......

Same studies or "news" that says steroids WILL kill you at the age of 40. Seriously? Who thinks of this crap? And why do people believe it?

**IM708** · 01-28-2009, 06:01 PM

And why do people believe it?

There's a disease that's rampant on this planet that causes it. Not something to be making jokes about.

**legobricks** · 01-28-2009, 06:04 PM

Originally Posted by ironmaiden708

There's a disease that's rampant on this planet that causes it. Not something to be making jokes about.

Let me guess, its called the Media.

Its those damn local news stations that have NOTHING else better to report!

**IM708** · 01-28-2009, 06:49 PM

Ignorance.

Oh my god don't even get me started on local tv news stations. Our major one reports on shit like mom of the week, student of the year, teacher of the month, pet of the day. BArffff

**RATTLEHEAD** · 01-28-2009, 07:50 PM

^^ That sounds just awful.. Thats why I stick to national news. Local is boring as shit anyways.

**ray0414** · 01-28-2009, 11:29 PM

i know when i took biology of nutrition the professor told us that liquid protien is very bad on the body...but that was 3 years go and i forget the reason behind it.

**MuscleScience** · 01-28-2009, 11:31 PM

Stuuuuuuppppppiiiiiidddddd!!!!!!!!!!

**MuscleScience** · 01-28-2009, 11:32 PM

Originally Posted by muhammad1185

hey guys,

im looking into protein shakes and the long term effects, im hoping to devise a post summing up all you need to know about shakes,

its shocking, i wasnt aware these shakes have so many long term effects such as blood cancer, stomach cancer etc.

if any of you have any experiences, links to good resources i.e. journals, studies, i would really appreciate if you could post these up.

many thanks

BTW judging from your picture it looks like you have a slight scoliosis!!!

**IM708** · 01-28-2009, 11:42 PM

Nah it's just the camera, makes you look 10 lbs heavier and a little crooked.

**z28pwr** · 01-28-2009, 11:51 PM

1 question....
how the ***&^%&^*(&(*&% did you come up with this?

IF YOU DO ANYTHING ENOUGH IT WILL KILL YOU.
If you think this is deadly then you should probably live in a bubble.
But then again who am i to say who should live in a bubble, i practically do...
btw some people think the flouride in water makes people fat.
yeah that wopping >.001% makes you fat! NOT under excersising and over eating at micky Dees!

**muhammad1185** · 01-29-2009, 09:14 AM

i didn't realize there where so many stupid, ignorant people out there, do you all really believe all these chemicals in whey protein actually does good for your body? most of the chemicals used are banned in many countries, i dont think they ban them because of the benefits it brings to people. why is it when you go to hospitals moaning about stomach aches etc the first thing a doctor asks is 'do you take supplements, protein shakes etc'. ask you own doctor if its a good thing, lets see what they have to say?

secondly protein shakes have not been around long enough for accurate studies to be carried out, analyzing, measuring sides, determining possible causes, all the body building company's aim to do, is make a profit, simple. they dont care about what we buy and put down our throats.

finally i wasnt asking for your silly opinions. keep them too yourselves. i was asking for anyone who had any genuine resources, links to journals, studies etc.

**FallenWyvern** · 01-29-2009, 09:20 AM

Originally Posted by muhammad1185

i didn't realize there where so many stupid, ignorant people out there, do you all really believe all these chemicals in whey protein actually does good for your body? most of the chemicals used are banned in many countries, i dont think they ban them because of the benefits it brings to people. why is it when you go to hospitals moaning about stomach aches etc the first thing a doctor asks is 'do you take supplements, protein shakes etc'. ask you own doctor if its a good thing, lets see what they have to say?

secondly protein shakes have not been around long enough for accurate studies to be carried out, analyzing, measuring sides, determining possible causes, all the body building company's aim to do, is make a profit, simple. they dont care about what we buy and put down our throats.

finally i wasnt asking for your silly opinions. keep them too yourselves. i was asking for anyone who had any genuine resources, links to journals, studies etc.

The absurdity of your post makes us want them as well.

**xlxBigSexyxlx** · 01-29-2009, 09:24 AM

"ask the doctor if its a good thing"

hahaha.

docs think half the shit we do is bad for you, like steroids !

**Narkissos** · 01-29-2009, 01:43 PM

Originally Posted by muhammad1185

i didn't realize there where so many stupid, ignorant people out there,

Funny that one would ask for the experiences of 'stupid' people.

Originally Posted by muhammad1185

do you all really believe all these chemicals in whey protein actually does good for your body?

Show me the 'chemicals' found in plain protein powder.

Your options are: whey protein, soy protien, egg protein, micellar casein, hemp, gemma pea protein, rice or protein.

I'd like you list these 'harmful chemicals'.

Originally Posted by muhammad1185

most of the chemicals used are banned in many countries,

List the countries these 'harmful chemicals' are banned in.

Originally Posted by muhammad1185

i dont think they ban them because of the benefits it brings to people. why is it when you go to hospitals moaning about stomach aches etc the first thing a doctor asks is 'do you take supplements, protein shakes etc'. ask you own doctor if its a good thing, lets see what they have to say?

A doctor's never asked me either of the above questions.

Who the hell goes to the doc for a stomach ache anyway?

Originally Posted by muhammad1185

secondly protein shakes have not been around long enough for accurate studies to be carried out, analyzing, measuring sides, determining possible causes,

Really?

Pubmed says otherwise.

**Narkissos** · 01-29-2009, 01:46 PM

Originally Posted by xlxBigSexyxlx

ON's 100% Whey

lol, I thought whey was being used to fight cancer in some studies....

A role for milk proteins and their peptides in cancer prevention.

Parodi PW.

A role for the amount and type of dietary protein in the etiology of cancer has not been studied extensively. Nevertheless, there is no compelling evidence from epidemiological studies to indicate that protein, at levels usually consumed, is a risk factor for cancer.

On the other hand, animal studies suggest that certain peptides and amino acids derived from dietary proteins may influence carcinogenesis. The predominant protein in milk, casein, its peptides, but not liberated amino acids, have antimutagenic properties.

Animal models, usually for colon and mammary tumorigenesis, nearly always show that whey protein is superior to other dietary proteins for suppression of tumour development.

This benefit is attributed to its high content of cystine/cysteine and gamma-glutamylcyst(e)ine dipeptides, which are efficient substrates for the synthesis of glutathione. Glutathione is an ubiquitous cellular antioxidant that directly or through its associated enzymes destroys reactive oxygen species, detoxifies carcinogens, maintains proteins in a reduced state and ensures a competent immune system.

Various experiments showed that tumour prevention by dietary whey protein was accompanied by increased glutathione levels in serum and tissues as well as enhanced splenic lymphocyte proliferation, phagocytosis and natural killer, T helper and cytotoxic T cell activity.

Whey protein components, beta-lactoglobulin, alpha-lactalbumin and serum albumin were studied infrequently, but results suggest they have anticancer potential. The minor component lactoferrin has received the most attention; it inhibits intestinal tumours and perhaps tumours at other sites. Lactoferrin acts by induction of apoptosis, inhibition of angiogenesis, modulation of carcinogen metabolising enzymes and perhaps acting as an iron scavenger. Supplementing cows with selenium increases the content of selenoproteins in milk, which on isolation inhibited colon tumorigenesis in rats.