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06-21-2013, 09:01 AM #81
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06-21-2013, 09:27 AM #82
I need to respond in full later but just wondering if you've ever tried a TZD (thiazolidinediones), like Actos or Avandia. They work by increasing insulin sensitivity at the cellular level (fat too I think). IMO they're both terrible meds with bad side effect profiles, but Actos is the lesser of the two evils. Avandia was actually blacklisted by the FDA for the past few years and only recently are they opening distribution again. For the average type 2 diabetic there are better meds so I don't see much use for them given the sides. However, if you do in fact have insulin resistance (and elevated blood sugar levels), taking a minimal dose may be worth a discussion with your doc. The reasons you would need to have elevated blood sugar are many but most importantly bc TZDs will decrease blood sugar and potentially to dangerously low levels. Significant hypoglycemia carries a high death rate (about 25%) in diabetics at least.
One thing I don't quite understand is you're very cut and muscular (in your avi). Are you thinking that it's not proportional to your level of diet and exercise?Last edited by AnabolicDoc; 06-21-2013 at 09:31 AM.
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06-21-2013, 10:05 AM #83
I haven't taken (or even heard of until your post) eithe Actos or Avandia, but I will definitely do some research now, thanks again. I always appreciate your input and suggestions.
I was probably in my best shape when that pic was taken (nearly 2 years ago), but I'd be lying if I told you I achieved that look without the aid of 'supplements'. Even then, I do feel I should have been carrying more muscle.
You hit it on the head exactly - I don't feel my physique is (anywhere near) proportional to my level of diet and exercise. To put it in perspective, I'm not much more muscular (if at all) now, nearly 2 years later, only fatter (about 14% now, 10ish in the avy). I've barely increased weight on shoulder press (as an example, seeing as shoulders are among my most lagging groups) in over 3 years. I've trained HST, GVT, GBC, and more 'standard' bodybuilding protocols. I don't feel I've ever responded better to one over any other, and said responses were all sub-par IMO.
I haven't trained HIT in years (and when I did years ago, I wasn't training properly - granted) and plan to do so in the fall, but I don't have high hopes tbh. I don't want to be disappointed once again, but we'll see!
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06-21-2013, 11:46 AM #84
Gb, do you ever think that you just reached your natural limit? I know I am having a very difficult time putting on more lean mass (I don't put on fat like you are describing though), but I think the biggest reason is that I am approaching my natural limit in terms of physique. I believe bodybuilding is asymptotic (e.g. the graph f(x) = 1/x + 10 on the domain (0, ∞) ≤ R); so the closer you approach the asymptote, the MUCH slower you increase (the slope decreases). It will take a lot of effort and time to gain little muscle as opposed to early on when it takes much less effort to gain more muscle.
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06-21-2013, 12:02 PM #85
In English, you're saying that bodybuilding demonstrates diminishing law of returns? I think most ppl would agree with you there.
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06-21-2013, 12:05 PM #86
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06-21-2013, 12:18 PM #87
I'll tell you man... if *this* is my natural limit, I'm in the wrong sport!!! lol
You do realize you're talking to a man who passed highschool level math with 70's, right?
Agreed BB, I'd say it's fairly common. We've all heard about newb gains, etc. However, what I find interesting is that even when I was a newb, I didn't find myself adding muscle at any appreciable rate. For the most part, I didn't look much more muscular than I do now, it was just all covered with bodyfat. In my case, my muscle size hasn't really increased much at all, in YEARS. My muscles have 'developed' a bit (i.e. muscle 'shape', density, etc.), and I've decreased bodyfat so I look more muscular, but I really haven't truly grown in years. There's gotta be something to that!
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06-21-2013, 12:45 PM #88
What are your stats gb? I am 6'0, weigh ≈185 pounds, and am about 11% body fat; and I think I am getting close. I have a very fast metabolism which makes weight gain very difficult, so that is why I believe 195-ish is my limit.
Lmao, I am sorry. I think mathematically; and although I could have gone without a lot of those details, I am used to being precise and omitting anything that I put would technically be incorrect. We all have our nuances though, lol.
Ah, if your gains were small when you were new; then you are onto something.
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06-21-2013, 03:22 PM #89
Ha...you guys think it's tough now; just wait 'til you hit my age-51. I look in the mirror once a month and just shake my head. But, the only option is quitting and then I'll really look like crap. Hang in there, guys.
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06-21-2013, 07:33 PM #90Originally Posted by basketballfan22
I'm about 5'10 and a half (hey, when you're under 6ft you count every gotdamn half inch!!!), 198ish dry, roughly 13, maybe even 14%. If my conditioning were really good right now, I'd probably sit around 185 or so.
No problem with the math; maybe I'll learn something (probably not), lol
Originally Posted by Rusty11
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06-21-2013, 07:50 PM #91
Welcome to the wonderful world of Supplements Good to have you on board, gb!
ps. Your hormone glands and blood work will love you for Maca~ PLEASE DO NOT ASK FOR SOURCE CHECKS ~
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06-21-2013, 08:17 PM #92
You crack me up gb. I will use your style for you, lol.
Haha, you are not the only one that counts fractions of an inch. You should pretend you are non-American and use the metric system, then you can list your height in centimeters which is even more precise than half-inches!
You are two inches (sorry, one and a half inches) shorter than me and weigh 13 pounds more than me! I should be the one complaining.
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06-26-2013, 02:11 PM #93
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