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07-09-2015, 07:56 PM #1681~ PLEASE DO NOT ASK FOR SOURCE CHECKS ~
"It's human nature in a 'more is better' society full of a younger generation that expects instant gratification, then complain when they don't get it. The problem will get far worse before it gets better". ~ kelkel
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08-29-2015, 05:52 AM #1682
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08-29-2015, 06:42 AM #1683
Good luck buddy.
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"It's human nature in a 'more is better' society full of a younger generation that expects instant gratification, then complain when they don't get it. The problem will get far worse before it gets better". ~ kelkel
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09-09-2015, 03:33 PM #1684Junior Member
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Great post. Many thanks, Austinite. I've been sticking to this regiment for 45 days, I'm down 30 lbs. I have a question. I just ran out of the Chromium Picolinate. My vitamin shop only has the 500 mcg capsules in stock. Is it ok to take 2? The previous were 800mcg
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09-09-2015, 05:15 PM #1685~ PLEASE DO NOT ASK FOR SOURCE CHECKS ~
"It's human nature in a 'more is better' society full of a younger generation that expects instant gratification, then complain when they don't get it. The problem will get far worse before it gets better". ~ kelkel
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10-02-2015, 03:34 AM #1686
So its been a month I have been taking these supplements and I was not over weight or anything I was just trying to reduce my midsection bulge, but glad to say I did have couple inches drop off my midsection the EGCg is miracle worker with good diet, the chromium in my opinion did not help that much with the sugar cravings i was still eating the odd bowl of captain crunch now and then .....synerphine worked well didn't have any jittery feelings at all, I dropped about 4 pounds which i didn't want to but its ok, now i think I'm gonna start my cycle I'm pretty lean, diet has been stict mostly .........Thanks austinite for your pointers on this thread, I read your beginners thread to cycling if you have time please look at my thread of what I have and don't scream at me LOL as I know your gonna probably gonna say not to mix to many compounds for the first one .....but thats what i have at the moment
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11-29-2015, 03:09 PM #1687New Member
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Question about Synephrine:
I see the 100g Synephrine HCL bulk powders on amazon for sale. Also, I have found a few other supplements that contain the roper amount of Synephrine but seem to be plant based. I know the bulk powder would probably be the best, but with such a small dose it seems logical to go with capsules with predetermined amounts of the product inside. Most of the capsule forms are bitter orange products. Is there a difference between sources of Synephrine or are any of them fine to use?
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12-01-2015, 02:27 AM #1688
Thank you for the great info
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12-22-2015, 11:44 PM #1689New Member
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How does this stack compare to just using Clen ? I also just started Wellbutrin for depression, which is also associated with weight loss and appetite control.
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01-09-2016, 09:30 AM #1690Junior Member
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just bought all products...looking forward to seeing results
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02-10-2016, 09:01 AM #1691Junior Member
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Had a go with this through January and just got off my 7 day Synephrine break. I'm 6" 88kg, endomorph guesstimate 18% BF, i can see 4 abs but the bottom 2 is a goner My results have been slim to none, still I am going to give it another try through February, I missed the tip about bioavailability through the fish oil so thats a change this time.
I did notice wanting to get on again after those 7 days, perhaps feeling a bit looser, but I think thats just my mind playing tricks.
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02-23-2016, 03:47 AM #1692Junior Member
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Hello guys. start today this protocol and will update the results in a month. I have just a few questions. I have to take it all together once a day? on a full or empty stomach? I thought of taking two hours preworkout with meal. on days off I take it all together for breakfast. ok? it is best to divide the dose in 2 or more assumptions?
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02-27-2016, 09:50 AM #1693
Austinite, honestly you are doing just perfect.
by eperience, Natural green Tea helps alot with weight loss,
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02-28-2016, 12:52 PM #1694Junior Member
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I've been wanting to try this protocol but I erred a little at the vitamin store. I made it home with chromium polynicotinate 200 mcg, EGCG 326.25 mg and synephrine HCL. Do you think it is even worth trying this protocol with what I've purchased? I was thinking of doing 4 of the chromium, 2 of EGCG and 20 mg Synephrine to see how it goes.
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03-23-2016, 10:34 PM #1695New Member
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Austinite, thanks for this amazing info. I was wondering if "Primaforce 10 mg Syneburn Weight Loss Supplement, 180 Count" on amazon is an approved synephrine product for this stack? I can't post urls yet or I'd give you a direct link. This product comes in pill form. appreciate it man, thank you
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06-20-2016, 12:38 PM #1696
Sparked an interest in EGCg. Going to try it alone for a month and see what happens. As always, thanks for the knowledge, Austinite.
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06-22-2016, 01:27 AM #1697New Member
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Started this stack on Monday, I definitely feel more alert after taking and no crash like I get from coffee. Hopefully will see some results soon. Currently eating under TDEE, most days doing HIIT or SIT workouts along with my weight training, which is 6 out of 8 days.
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07-24-2016, 08:52 AM #1698Junior Member
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08-01-2016, 11:52 PM #1699New Member
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Hi there! The past couple of days I have been using this stack, but replacing the synephrine with Alphamine (PES's Thermogenic powder). I am having trouble finding synephrine in Ireland and already had a tub of alphamine waiting to be opened. So far so good, and thanks a lot for the chromium recommendation I feel great since starting it.
Just wondering is it a semi-acceptable substitution or would it be beneficial for me to not finish the tub and order Synephrine internationally? Thanks again.
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01-21-2017, 09:00 PM #1700
I'm looking at the same thing and have the same question. I'm assuming it's the same? Since the label says Synephrine 10mg... austinite seems to be gone from this thread
Also, (anyone can answer this), this is for fat loss in general right? I haven't started steroids yet. I want to get my BF% down before I do and am thinking of utilizing this protocol. Thanks.Last edited by nyte103; 01-21-2017 at 09:09 PM.
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01-21-2017, 09:59 PM #1701Banned
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01-22-2017, 02:39 AM #1702
Alright so I found Synephrine HCL on eBay (couldn't find it on Amazon other than the one mentioned above). It was $36 for 50g so it should last me a while - hopefully it's legit... don't see why it wouldn't be.
And I found austinite's recommended NOW Foods EGCg and Nature's Bounty Chromium Picolante on Amazon.
I'll keep you guys posted.
I'm 5'11" 195 lbs BF probably around 20~25% - Want to get down to 8-10%
I used to be heavier and have been stuck carrying this weight/fat for a few years now so I'm really hoping this protocol will give me the boost I need. Will also be eating around -20% TDEE.
Haven't done any cycles before and want to get my BF% down so I can better avoid the side effectsLast edited by nyte103; 01-22-2017 at 02:46 AM.
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01-29-2017, 02:05 PM #1703
I don't know if Austinite will be back soon, but I was just wondering if any of these ingredients are stimulants? Anyone knowledgeable can answer obviously.
Vitamin D-3
Zinc
Selenium
Saw Palmetto Extract
Phytosterols
Stinging Nettle Root Extract
Quercetin
Turmeric Root Extract
Pumpkin Seed Oil
Lycopene
Green Tea Extract
Pomegranate Extract
Natural Trans-Resveratol
Flax Seed Lignan Extract
They're in a supplement I take for prostate. Also would it be bad to take 750mg of EGCG?
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01-30-2017, 12:09 AM #1704Banned
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02-05-2017, 06:15 PM #1705
Not sure if this has been answered way too many posts to read through, but being that ephedrine is stronger than synephrine, could i just add chromium to my eca stack and reap the benefits, there's already the synergistic properties of both the caffeine and ephedrine and it sounds like the chromium would add a major benefit to an eca stack
Any thoughts on this?
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04-20-2017, 05:09 PM #1706Junior Member
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where i can find Synephrine on europe?
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04-21-2017, 12:08 PM #1707Productive Member
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I found some from Brazil on eBay which were a bit sketchy... you might be better searching for "citrus aurantium" or bitter orange extract... this is the ingredient that synepherine is derived from I believe. Try and find out what % of citrus auramantium is synephrine... if it doesn't state it is usually 4%... so a 150mg citrus silabolin capsule could potentially be 6mg synephrine.
I managed to get a hold of capsules and powder on eBay. But I can't speak for the quality of them....
They smell and taste like cigarette butts
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04-24-2017, 03:35 PM #1708Junior Member
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do you know the brand YAMAMOTO NUTRITION? i can order this brand they have this sup Syne CAPS, 1 cap have 100mg Citrus Aurantium and 10mg is synephrine
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04-25-2017, 12:15 AM #1709Productive Member
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I've never heard of them... I'm quite new myself maybe someone else has. It's easy to find in America but I'm from the UK and I'm guessing you are too... It's a nightmare to get over here. The only places I found looked really sketchy. That site doesn't look too bad. I would go for it but supplements are always a risk. You never know what you're getting in it.
I didn't find synepherine to do a whole lot for me. I found it constantly lowered my blood pressure. And while I can't prove it was the synephrine, my blood pressure lowered to 70/35 whilst on it. And no that's not a typo.
So be careful man. I don't take it a whole lot.
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06-21-2017, 10:50 AM #1710New Member
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All items to be delivered today. Curious to see how well it works.
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01-04-2018, 01:55 AM #1711Junior Member
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01-08-2018, 06:18 AM #1712Junior Member
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Hello austinite or someone, can tell if my source of synephrine is a good source? here in europe i only found this form:
Citrus Aurantium 330mg wich 6% is synephrine about 20mg of synephrine, i dont know if its a good source 1 week using and i dont feel anything...
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01-21-2018, 09:56 PM #1713New Member
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Maybe just a stupid question but can you still Gain muscle mass while on this /using this stack? I mean like with a high protein diet? Taking care on not abusing carbs and fats (candys and trash food) or is just a waste of time and money?
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01-25-2018, 09:22 PM #1714New Member
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I've looked everywhere for the Synephrine HCL and have about given up . . . anybody had any luck with it?
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02-12-2018, 04:45 AM #1715New Member
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03-06-2018, 07:27 AM #1716Junior Member
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Yes, I PM'ed you where I ordered from.
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03-06-2018, 07:29 AM #1717Junior Member
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03-06-2018, 07:38 AM #1718Junior Member
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i dont found already synephrine in europe -.-
chromium picolinate should be take along the day with meals or all dose before workout?
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05-22-2018, 04:17 AM #1719New Member
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I’ve been on this protocol for a few weeks now and I can already tell a difference. Pants feel a little looser and it seems I have less bloat as well.
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05-22-2018, 02:50 PM #1720
I started it a few weeks ago as well. I don't own a scale (for people) but I can tell I'm losing belly fat. The thing is, I'm a bicycle junkie, and I usually cycle (road and mountain) several thousand miles a year. But I had supraspinatus and SLAP tears surgically mended last December so I was in rehab and limited upper body use all winter and until early April. Then late last month I had a severe attack of sciatica and could barely walk for two weeks. And I have not reduced intake one iota so I should have been gaining body fat, not losing it.
But I did amend Austenite's recipe ever so slightly. Several years ago I got interested in the effects of Chromium Nicotinate (polynicotinate), so that's what I've been using instead of Chromium Picolinate. I have read in a couple of places that this was a silly thing to do because the picolinate variety has an extremely superior bio-availablity, but I plan to try the nicotinate variety for one bottle, then switch compare its efficacy to the picolinate variety.
I also bought both the synephrine and the green tea extract in loose powder form, which led to me having my first experience with stuffing gel-caps. I didn't happen to have any capsules lying around labeled by their size to give me a reference, and I didn't want to buy capsules that were so large they'd be difficult to swallow, so I took a shot in the dark and bought size 0.
I don't have much trouble swallowing large capsules but I figured it was better to buy too small rather than too large,l at least until I got the size thing figured out. Turns out I so underestimated my ability to get a pill down that the next ones I order will be size 000. I know going in I won't be able to get nearly so many 000s down in one swallow as I can size 0s, but 0s turned out to be too damn small for the green tea extract.
The extract I bought is 51% EGCG, so it takes 1200-mg of the powder I bought to get Austenite's 600-mg of EGCG. And even if I compress the powder, all I can get in a size 0 capsule is 400-mg. So I find myself stuffing three size 0 gel-caps for every day I'm on Austenite's plan. Fill, compress, and fill again, then repeat for the other half of the capsule. Yeah, it's that tight of a fit. But the internal volume of a 000 is a little more than twice that of a 0, so I could get by stuffing one less capsule a day.
To back up one of Austenite's statements, if you didn't buy loose synephrine powder, you wouldn't believe what a tiny amount 10-mg is. My powder is 30% synephrine, so I need 33.3 grains of Citrus aurantium extract to make 10-mg of synephrine.
And I measure using the scales from my firearms reloading gear because it's graduated to the tenth of a grain, which is 0.0065 grams. So I have to convert Austenite's grams to my scale's grains. Even once I'd tested my tolerance and went to the full 20-mg dose, that still was a ridiculously small amount.
20-mg of syneprine = 66.6-mg of Citrus aurantium extract = 1.029 grains
One point oh two nine grains. Call it an even one grain.
The grain is the oldest surviving measurement of weight, dating back all the way to ancient Egypt, where it was set equal to the weight of -- guess what -- one grain of wheat. They probably counted out some large number, like a thousand grains of wheat (there wasn't much else to do for entertainment back in those days anyway) to get an average weight of a single grain.
I just weighed a 1992 penny and it came in at 38.6 grains. So 66.6-mg of extract weighs 1/38th of what a penny does. Incredibly small dose. A full month's worth of synephrine weighs less than a penny.
The first time I tried the full 20-mg dose, I felt a little of what Austenite was warning against overdosing with this stuff. It felt like a niacin rush but without the skin flush. I'm thinking if you took a big hit it probably would be pretty unpleasant.
Nonetheless, I couldn't leave well enough alone. In fact, part of my reason for buying loose powder was so I could adjust the dose. After a week of a 1 gram dose I went up by 0.1 grains for three days until I got to 1.3 grains. I haven't felt the need to increase it any more, but after I take a few days off, I drop back down to 1.0 grains and stairstep back up to 1.3.
But obviously a grain of EGCG comes nowhere near close to filling up a size 0 gel-cap.
And I'm seeing zero side effects. I've tried the ECA stack a couple of times and always came to undesirable side effects before I got any benefit from it, so this is working tons better for me than the ECA.
Both the synephrine and the green tea extract are organic and somewhat moist, so they're also a little sticky to work with. So my method has gravitated toward something that limits the powders contacting my skin as much as possible. I'm using a pretty small plastic funnel to get the powders into the gel-caps. And one of the ceramic sticks on my crock stick knife sharpener is a nice, snug fit into the capsules, so that's what I use to compress the extract so I can manage to get 400-mg in a single size 0 cap. But the act of tamping the powder invariably causes a little of it to squirt out and get on my fingers. Which then get sticky.
It probably takes me a minute per capsule so 10 days-worth of EGCG caps takes a good half hour to stuff.
It probably was cheaper to buy synephrine and EGCG in loose form but if you have no plan to tinker with the dosage, and if you don't want to spend time stuffing capsules, and don't want to be bothered with the mess, you probably would prefer the pre-made stuff.
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