T3: A complete guide to cycling T3 and how it works

**austinite** · 04-21-2014, 06:22 AM

lol. I wasnt looking for a lesson, but thanks. My point is that People with a good deal of fat should not be considering T3 at all. This isn't a miracle drug. Best to use something like my fat loss stack listed in this forum.

**Chicagotarsier** · 04-21-2014, 07:04 AM

I will be using your fat burning stack for 8 weeks after I finish my 10 week test of T3+Clen . It is way to Fn hot in the Phils to have the metabolism so high even with the ocean a 10 min walk away lol..

Originally Posted by austinite

lol. I wasnt looking for a lesson, but thanks. My point is that People with a good deal of fat should not be considering T3 at all. This isn't a miracle drug. Best to use something like my fat loss stack listed in this forum.

**NEFLRick** · 04-21-2014, 08:39 AM

Originally Posted by Chicagotarsier

Per Harvard Edu 30% of overweight people are diabetic and 70% + obese are diabetic. If he has dropped 50 and has more than that to go he is obese and the chances he is diabetic is very high. 7 out of 10 is a VERY good casino bet haha. If they are not being treated for it there is a good chance they have not been tested for it or are even aware they are diabetic.

15-20% of Type 2 are not overweight or obese...and doctors will not comment on THAT fact. The most common Type 2 is due to insulin absorption issues due to fat acting as a reflector to the substance.

Sooooo..I assume people with a good deal of fat have diabetic tendencies.

I appreciate your concern, however, I wasn't obese unless you're looking at the, "technical," definition which only takes into account height/weight. I had/have excess bf but that doesn't make one obese. Nobody would have looked at me and said, "Wow! That guy is FAT!"

With that said, it's not a bad thing to be concerned about. However, as I mentioned, I'm not diabetic, never have been and am not in danger of being so because, even though I was/am carrying more bf than I want to, I don't eat in such a way as to make me diabetic.

**NEFLRick** · 04-21-2014, 08:59 AM

Austin:

Question about T3. I went back and read your writeup again (I like to read through it, digest it, then read it again, I tend to pick up things.), anyway, you mentioned needing something to help stave off losing muscle. As I mentioned, I'm on TRT (200mg/wk). You mentioned 250mg is a good number. I'm guessing 200mg is close enough to be good as long as I don't go over 100mcg of T3 daily (which I don't plan on)? Also, as I mentioned, I'm thinking of running a growth cycle along with all of this but haven't totally made up my mind just yet. I'm guessing, if I do that, I'll be more than fine.

Just checking to make sure I'm not missing anything. Thanks.

**austinite** · 04-21-2014, 11:46 AM

Originally Posted by NEFLRick

Austin:

Question about T3. I went back and read your writeup again (I like to read through it, digest it, then read it again, I tend to pick up things.), anyway, you mentioned needing something to help stave off losing muscle. As I mentioned, I'm on TRT (200mg/wk). You mentioned 250mg is a good number. I'm guessing 200mg is close enough to be good as long as I don't go over 100mcg of T3 daily (which I don't plan on)? Also, as I mentioned, I'm thinking of running a growth cycle along with all of this but haven't totally made up my mind just yet. I'm guessing, if I do that, I'll be more than fine.

Just checking to make sure I'm not missing anything. Thanks.

I would increase your dose.

**NEFLRick** · 04-21-2014, 12:45 PM

Originally Posted by austinite

I would increase your dose.

Hmm, not sure it's possible the way I'm doing it now. Doc gives me pre-loaded syringes.

I think I've decided to run growth though. I'm guessing that--along with the test--should be enough.

**oldnsedentary** · 04-22-2014, 07:01 AM

Originally Posted by austinite

I would increase your dose.

What about, say, a gram a week of test and about a half gram of tren ? Would that help? Maybe add some anavar at the end?

**austinite** · 04-22-2014, 07:04 AM

Originally Posted by oldnsedentary

What about, say, a gram a week of test and about a half gram of tren? Would that help? Maybe add some anavar at the end?

I have no idea what to say to that. I'm guessing you're joking.

**NEFLRick** · 04-22-2014, 08:41 AM

I'm just going to get some more test and add to my dose.

**deltapapatango** · 04-23-2014, 01:08 PM

Originally Posted by austinite

IntroductionMany people, including myself experience a level of fatigue and even some achiness. This generally (for me at least) goes away after a week or so or when your body adjusts to all the T3. That is all I personally experience (as far as feeling something) from T3...

Definitely feeling achiness.

I am on day three - only dosed first day at 50mcg then 100 at day two. Felt muscle pumps like never before on day one. Day two I feel like an old man. Muscle aches and pains from post-workout and a general sluggish feeling.

Hopefully it passes soon. Workouts are tough when the pain hits you hard.

**NEFLRick** · 04-25-2014, 04:55 AM

What about T3 and women? My wife is considering doing it with me. Her diet has been on point much better than mine. Is there anything different? Maybe dosing?

**austinite** · 04-25-2014, 05:57 AM

Originally Posted by NEFLRick

What about T3 and women? My wife is considering doing it with me. Her diet has been on point much better than mine. Is there anything different? Maybe dosing?

You might want to reach out to thisangelbites on this one. She is far more qualified to advise you than I am for female use.

**Docd187123** · 04-25-2014, 07:08 AM

Austin, if taking high/er doses, do you advise to break into 2 doses throughout the day or one single one?

**NEFLRick** · 04-25-2014, 08:43 AM

Originally Posted by austinite

You might want to reach out to thisangelbites on this one. She is far more qualified to advise you than I am for female use.

Thanks.

**gearbox** · 04-25-2014, 09:03 AM

Originally Posted by deltapapatango

Definitely feeling achiness.

I am on day three - only dosed first day at 50mcg then 100 at day two. Felt muscle pumps like never before on day one. Day two I feel like an old man. Muscle aches and pains from post-workout and a general sluggish feeling.

Hopefully it passes soon. Workouts are tough when the pain hits you hard.

You should of ran t3 at 50mcg and wait for the results. Or jump to 100 mcg after a few weeks.

**deltapapatango** · 04-25-2014, 12:53 PM

I'll dial the dose down a little for a bit and see if sides go away.

Can't seem to sleep lately. I dropped the clen today and will see if that helps. Added t3 clen keto all at the same time.

**hawk14dl** · 04-25-2014, 01:45 PM

Just ordered some t3 today. Should arrive next week. On trt, my rx is 150mg a week but I've only been taking 120. I'm going to jump to the 150 while I run this. Planning on 50mcg for 4-6 weeks, maybe longer but I don't really want to lose too much

**NEFLRick** · 04-27-2014, 03:03 PM

Ok, so here's the plan as of right now. The T3 should be in this week.

Planning on doing 50mcg to start to see how I react to it.
Increasing test to 300mg/wk (on 200/wk now).
Diet is dialed in pretty tightly.

My question is, does this sound reasonable?

Also, I'm headed to Vegas for a long weekend with the boys in about 3 weeks. Wasn't going to use it out there. Obviously, the diet will be on hold for about 5 days. Then back to the grind. From what I've read, I should be alright doing this. Anything I should be aware of?

Thanks.

**deltapapatango** · 04-29-2014, 08:03 PM

Originally Posted by Docd187123

Austin, if taking high/er doses, do you advise to break into 2 doses throughout the day or one single one?

Anybody split the dose? Best time to take?

**austinite** · 04-29-2014, 08:49 PM

Originally Posted by Docd187123

Austin, if taking high/er doses, do you advise to break into 2 doses throughout the day or one single one?

Sorry I missed this. Never a need to split the dose.

**austinite** · 04-29-2014, 08:49 PM

Originally Posted by deltapapatango

Anybody split the dose? Best time to take?

Timing does not matter.

**Chicagotarsier** · 04-29-2014, 08:57 PM

When using T3 as a true medication they say you can get away with dosing 2x a day. It is done on empty stomach. So Am-PM empty stomach split the dose.

Many bodybuilders say take it all on empty stomach in the morning and dosing does not matter due to the long halflife of the medicine.

^^^^^^^^^ What Austin said.

**Docd187123** · 04-30-2014, 07:27 PM

Originally Posted by austinite

Sorry I missed this. Never a need to split the dose.

Came to bump my question only to find it's already been answered lol. Thank you very much!

**SEOINAGE** · 05-01-2014, 09:05 AM

To the people concerned with dosing, you don't need to up your trt dose dramatically. I ran 75 mcg of t3 along with my trt dose of test, and 20 mg of winstrol . Increased in muscle mass. The thing I don't like about t3 is when i went from 50 mcg to 75 mcg fat loss was hindered because appetite went out of control, still had really low calorie days. But I don't think muscle loss is as bad as people are making it out to be, it helps if you are refeeding prior to intense resistance training sessions if your protocol allows that. But I really think the scare with t3 and muscle loss is a bit much. I also don't think t3 is the miracle some make it out to be and like austinite said make sure you are able to lose a lot of fat prior, and don't do this unless you are much lower on bodyfat, it doesn't just do it for you, especially if you struggle with controlling your appetite before hand, it's going to make matters worse. I don't know if all experience the appetite issues, but man it was brutal, I did make great progress however, but I was always really good about controlling things before, but this made it that much harder.

**austinite** · 05-01-2014, 11:00 AM

Originally Posted by SEOINAGE

To the people concerned with dosing, you don't need to up your trt dose dramatically. I ran 75 mcg of t3 along with my trt dose of test, and 20 mg of winstrol. Increased in muscle mass. The thing I don't like about t3 is when i went from 50 mcg to 75 mcg fat loss was hindered because appetite went out of control, still had really low calorie days. But I don't think muscle loss is as bad as people are making it out to be, it helps if you are refeeding prior to intense resistance training sessions if your protocol allows that. But I really think the scare with t3 and muscle loss is a bit much. I also don't think t3 is the miracle some make it out to be and like austinite said make sure you are able to lose a lot of fat prior, and don't do this unless you are much lower on bodyfat, it doesn't just do it for you, especially if you struggle with controlling your appetite before hand, it's going to make matters worse. I don't know if all experience the appetite issues, but man it was brutal, I did make great progress however, but I was always really good about controlling things before, but this made it that much harder.

Thanks for the input, keep in mind that adding 20 mg of winstrol is no longer considered a TRT dose of steroids . Of course you would do better and retain by adding more muscle saving compounds.

**SEOINAGE** · 05-03-2014, 04:05 PM

Originally Posted by austinite

Thanks for the input, keep in mind that adding 20 mg of winstrol is no longer considered a TRT dose of steroids. Of course you would do better and retain by adding more muscle saving compounds.

Yeah, i don't think my point was that clear in that regard. I hear of people thinking they need to run a lot more than a given trt amount, even an extra 50 mg goes a long ways. I did run 4 weeks at 50 mcg with under my trt dose with no other compounds as well, and a couple carb ups at the end of it and my muscles filled back out, didn't see any measurable muscle loss. Usually we are better off saving AAS for muscle mass, especially if you run PCT and aren't on TRT, the extra time on for less benefit adds up.

**Black** · 05-03-2014, 07:36 PM

I've been reading up on T3 lately, great article Austinite (I'm late to the party as usual).

I am planning a Test/Tren cycle here soon. Obviously if I'm going to add some T3 in, during a cycle would be the best time. However, the lethargy of Tren and possible lethargy of T3 has me concerned. I came across a post earlier where someone was running several compounds (including Tren) and was complaining of tiredness. Anyone else run Tren with T3 and care to comment?

Does the lethargy generally subside from T3 after the first week or two for most?

**deltapapatango** · 05-04-2014, 07:59 AM

Im not dragging my ass as much in the first week as I am in the second but I always feel down (not mood) in the second. Im gping to try albuterol soon to combat that. Clen is too strong.

**GirlyGymRat** · 05-12-2014, 02:52 PM

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**GirlyGymRat** · 05-26-2014, 09:42 AM

Originally Posted by Black

I've been reading up on T3 lately, great article Austinite (I'm late to the party as usual).

I am planning a Test/Tren cycle here soon. Obviously if I'm going to add some T3 in, during a cycle would be the best time. However, the lethargy of Tren and possible lethargy of T3 has me concerned. I came across a post earlier where someone was running several compounds (including Tren) and was complaining of tiredness. Anyone else run Tren with T3 and care to comment?

Does the lethargy generally subside from T3 after the first week or two for most?

My research indicates that it T3 lethargy doesn't abate in 2 weeks, you should dose down. Body is telling you the dosage is too high/body couldn't adjust.

Btw. I am not running tren. Lol

**Machdiesel** · 06-04-2014, 06:52 PM

What are your thoughts about 50mcg for a lean bulK? IM on 200mg of test a week and coming off a cut using 100mcg of t3. First time using t3 and loved it and have been reading more about t3 while lean bulking. Is this counter productive, does it have benefits?

**austinite** · 06-04-2014, 07:07 PM

^ Yes, I used it during all bulking/cutting cycles.

**Machdiesel** · 06-04-2014, 07:57 PM

Just did a cut working up to 100mcg, was my first time using t3 and loved it. Transitioning into a lean bulk and decided to cut t3 to 50mcg a day, start out at 40/40/20 diet and slowly add carbs as needed.

**tarmyg** · 06-05-2014, 03:44 AM

Austinite,

In my new location I can only get PROLOID. This seems to have both T3/T4. Do you know if this drug will work in the same way as your described protocol?

Thanks

**Machdiesel** · 06-06-2014, 07:27 PM

Austin curious if you reccomend 25 or 50 while bulking. Although 25 is technically a replacemt dose most would prob get a small boost from it. Do you think 50 is to high?

**austinite** · 06-06-2014, 07:53 PM

Originally Posted by Machdiesel

Austin curious if you reccomend 25 or 50 while bulking. Although 25 is technically a replacemt dose most would prob get a small boost from it. Do you think 50 is to high?

From the article...

Originally Posted by Austinite

To be quite honest, with T3, I don't ever pyramid or taper doses. I choose a dose, then I start and finish with the same dose. That being said, it takes a few trials and errors to find the sweet spot for T3. So it wouldn't hurt to start at 50 mcg to see if you get a good response. Increases would be ok to do in 20 to 25 mcg increments. But again, I never do. T3 is not like some other compounds that hit you in the face with side effects if you dose it a little off.

Originally Posted by austinite

So how much T3 total does your body naturally produce? We've already established that when you supplement with T3 or T4, your pituitary begins to see the exogenous doses and shuts down production. You naturally produce approximately 25 micrograms of T3. So since we know that any oral administration of T3 is a replacement dose (meaning shuts you down), would it make sense to take 25 mcg of T3? Of course not! What's the point of replacing exactly what I produce? That would be a complete waste. Honestly, in my opinion, I think it's even a waste to start at that dose. I know some folks like to "ramp up" the dose. But it's not necessary.

**SEOINAGE** · 06-12-2014, 12:13 PM

6 weeks post running t3 had some blood work done. Keep in mind I have had Hashimoto's, but through diet was able to get my tsh in mid 2's range and t3 upper end of scale with t4 right close to bottom.

here is current BW.
t3 free 2.9 Range 1.8-4.6 pg/ml
t4 free .86 Range .9-1.7 ng/dl
TSH 4.88 Range .27-4.2 uIU/ml

Doctor is suggesting Armor thyroid. Thinks possibly it is the cause of my low iron and lack of absorption. I have been supplementing iron at 45mg a day, my screwing with t3 kind of messes up his assumption that the thyroid is linked to lack of stomach acid and absorption, but it could still be an issue since I hadn't checked thyroid in over two years.

Thing is I have some hyper symptoms as well as some hypo symptoms. I don't know if I should give it more time first before jumping on this. Normally my TSH wouldn't be this high, so it should come down with some more time. Didn't really think recovery from t3 would take longer than 6 weeks.

Any thoughts or recommendations? Who knows, maybe this is just what I need, Overall at 50 mcg t3 I felt pretty good, 75 my hunger was overactive with my diet and I was waking up really early.

**jaxbrah** · 06-17-2014, 03:31 AM

Austinite, plrase tell me what you think about this. Im currently on week 6 of my 12 week test cyp cycle of 500mg a week. Since t3 needs to be taken with test. Should I hop on t3 in thr 2nd half of my cycle? Or will that hinder my gains too much?

My trt dose was 100mg before my cycle. Would it be dangerous to goto 250 a week for a few weeks after 12 weeks of 500?

Also, is it dangerous to use clen with t3?

**jsam** · 07-10-2014, 07:45 AM

Considering using T3 or clen to get bf% down be for I consider a cycle. Had blood work done yesterday will post results. Your post says to use it with test. Cant you use these for a while without test for some help getting bf down? Once bf% lowers stop t3 or clen for a period of time before starting a cycle? I've changed diet (have request for macros calculator) hitting gym cardio and weights just want a little help with fat burning

**Docd187123** · 07-10-2014, 09:02 AM

Originally Posted by jsam

Considering using T3 or clen to get bf% down be for I consider a cycle. Had blood work done yesterday will post results. Your post says to use it with test. Cant you use these for a while without test for some help getting bf down? Once bf% lowers stop t3 or clen for a period of time before starting a cycle? I've changed diet (have request for macros calculator) hitting gym cardio and weights just want a little help with fat burning

T3 is indiscriminate to whether it burns fat or muscle. AAS simply pushes it in favor of fat. If you take it without test you will be losing muscle which will indirectly raise your BF%....kind of counterproductive if you ask me.