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06-18-2011, 06:51 AM #41
Yeh I think this type of training is great...
Great for beginners
Great for natty guys or while your not 'on'
Currently not running with it because in 'on' and there is no point in logging my lifts as they are increasing so much week by week....
I do log some big lifts... Bench, dead, squat....
While im in PCT and no on it will be making sure to go back to writing every lift down....
I feel that when on gear you can blast muscle with a bit more volume if you wish...
I seem to never get really sore while on gear
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07-15-2011, 01:37 PM #42
Bench - 280 at beginning of program 320 after. I have unusually long arms (i'm 6'1, my wingspan is almost 78". I don't think Pressing or Pulling movements will ever be my strong suit. However, my goal was to be at 315 on bench by the end of the year, and I was there after 8 weeks of this program.
Squat - 335 before, 350 after.
Deadlift - 375 before, 395 after
These lifts were all done with proper form and full range of motion. No half assing. Having a trainer work with me a couple times to make sure I had my form down on all my lifts really helped.
Goals by end of year are to be at 350 on bench, 400 on squat, 430 on deadlift.
I'll be running this program for 8-10 weeks, a couple weeks off, and then I'll switch back to the original to run until the end of the year.Last edited by _CrossroadS_; 07-15-2011 at 01:40 PM.
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07-15-2011, 01:46 PM #43
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07-17-2011, 09:35 AM #44
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07-17-2011, 10:36 AM #45
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07-17-2011, 11:46 AM #46
I have been following this routine albeit slightly adapted to my needs for the last five weeks while I am on cycle, for clarity, are you saying above that you do not use this routine because of the logging of lifts ? I find I just add about 5kg onto power lifts per week and hypertrophy just go with how I feel, if i can easy get the ten reps out then i add some weight, if i only manage five then i drop down a weight.
It is a good routine, growth and then tightness in the same week, if I wasnt on cycle I think it would be too much, although I have doubled up the upper body hypertrophy to twice(on a saturday), personally im loving the deadlifts, the deadlifts are through the roof, its a new PB every week, but really brings the delts out.
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07-17-2011, 12:05 PM #47
Currently on cycle and running a bit more volume.
When I'm off cycle I think I will go back to running this routine... IDK why but I just feel that I can pound the muscle a bit harder with a bit more volume while on cycle
TBH I think when your on you grow whatever you do.... I think you can Handel the extra stimulation and convert that into extra growth...
While off this routine is good because it forces you to be at the limit each week... It forces the progress. While on cycle progress just happens regardless
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07-17-2011, 06:18 PM #48
how are you guys visual gains on this routine? very curious
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07-21-2011, 01:57 PM #49
I've notice a pretty significant change in my shoulders (size and seeing more striations) and chest ( size, and finally starting to see definition on the outer edge of my pecs)
Legs have gotten bigger.
Waist has gotten smaller (not due to the this workout, but to cardio/diet) but it is more pronounced with my back getting wider and legs getting bigger.
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07-26-2011, 05:41 PM #50
Some changes to my routine here:
Heavy Leg Day edit
Squat
Seated Calf Raises
Seated Hamstring Curls
Heavy Upper Body Day
PullUps
Incline Bench
TBar Rows
Off Day - sort of
Core exercises
Heavy Cable Lateral Raises for shoulders
Light Leg Day
Leg Press
Seated Calves
Standing Hamstring Curls
Seated Leg Extensions
Standing Calf Raises
Straight Leg Deadlifts
Light Upper Body Day
Wide Grip Pull Downs
Flat Dumbell Press
Rack Pulls
Incline Fly
Off day - sort of
light day for below
Dumbell Lateral Raises
Rear Fly/ Delts
Preacher Curls
SkullCrushers
Real Off Day
Had to break up the upper body day, as it was just too much. Amount of work in a week remains the same, just spread apart a little. We'll see how this goes.
Rep'd 315 on squats 4x5 easily. maybe not a big deal to others, but big milestone for me, and my lanky ass.
Really digging this workout, will probably start a log on it, but I feel like some good info in this thread.
EDIT: the reason for going back to squats on heavy day, and moving rack pulls to light upper day is my lower back is getting over worked. Now it'll have 3 days off in between, so I should be good.Last edited by _CrossroadS_; 07-26-2011 at 08:38 PM.
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07-26-2011, 07:33 PM #51
this plan is laid out well and i cant wait to try it
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07-26-2011, 07:37 PM #52
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07-29-2011, 07:52 AM #53
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07-29-2011, 10:32 AM #54
bump
good read and bookmarked.. I'll be trying this soon
Thanks BL
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07-29-2011, 11:58 AM #55
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So while "on" you are running it with a bit more volume, would you care to elaborate on this? I will be running your program while "on" in a little while and was wondering if my # of reps should change.
i guess im saying how should i change the routine around if im going to be "on"?
Thanks
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07-29-2011, 03:08 PM #57
Well I'm currently running a completely different routine... More of a HIT routine...
If I was you, wanting to run this while on gear I would roll with it just how it is, see how you feel. If you feel you can add an extra set here and there than go for it. As long as the principles remain the same
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08-01-2011, 01:14 PM #58
He highlighted Heavy cable lateral raises for shoulders...so I was wondering if he had an issue with these in the past or an injury. However, it was right next to core exercises, which may be what he intended to bold.
My core work is very limited. I like the leaner look around the waist, and I get plenty of work on core from the compound lifts.
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08-14-2011, 11:08 AM #59
This sounds like a great workout and I would like to give a try.
I know this sounds like a complete noob question, but my gym doesn't have a Supported T-Bar Row machine. What are some alternatives for that exercise??
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I've been searching for this thread for nearly 2 weeks and couldn't find it. I couldn't remember the name of thread, training, or op. Finally found it. Seriously considering giving this routine a try. I've been out from training due to loosing my job, but should be back in a few weeks.
Thanks for posting.
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12-23-2011, 08:38 PM #62
bump
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12-24-2011, 01:36 AM #63
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12-24-2011, 03:24 AM #64
thanks for being there base.
yeah ill be hitting this up starting 2nd jan.
ill keep you posted.
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08-13-2012, 11:28 AM #65
BUMP'ing for guys asking about new programs
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08-17-2012, 04:37 PM #66
I am looking into doing a similar routine, only difference is I will split my hypertrophy days to push/pull/legs IE Monday-upper power Tuesday-lower power then Thursday-pull hypertrophy Friday push hypertrophy and saturday leg hyper. My question is about your hyper trophy days. Are you training to failure or a few reps shy to keep from overtraining to quickly. It would seem if you train to failure on your heavy day training to failure again on hypertrophy might burn you out quickly
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im running the layne version of this and just in my third week so i have left some things out untill i get use to this training.
so you guys dont believe over 12 sets a week per body part doesnt lead to OT?
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08-19-2012, 05:22 AM #68
Yes you train to failure on both days.... However as you progress you actually decrease failure training... Hard to explain but I will try...
Week 1 - hypertrophy day
Bench press - Set 1 (failure set of 10 reps), set 2 (failure set of 8 reps), set 3 (failure set of 7 reps)
This is an example of how week one may go.... As you can see, all of those sets are to failure, however....
Week 2 - hypertrophy day
Bench press - Set 1 (set of 10 reps), set 2 (failure set of 9 reps), set 3 (failure set of 7 reps)
If you notice above the first set was at 10 reps.... You used the same weight as the week before however since you have progressed slightly the set was not quite to failure... You may have still got a rep..... So basically your doing less work to failure...
This is micro-periodisation within a periodised routine.... The more you progress the less you do (sort of )
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08-19-2012, 05:25 AM #69
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08-27-2012, 07:59 PM #72
First Leg power night tonight. Good stuff Base. Ive never done squats and deads on same day, didnt know what to expect, but it went well.
Squats - 325 (5, 5, 5, 5) bump to 335 next week
Deads - 405 (5, 5, 3, 3)
Seat Calves - 200 (5, 5, 3, 3) these were a change too, never go heavy on calves.
Overall I loved it. Rest periods for squats and deads were 3-4 minutes. Total workout was only about 1hr and 15min.....Cant wait for day 2....thanks again base.
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this looks like a great routine when not 'on' as you already stated. i like it.
thanks Base.
btw, id kill to have your delts.
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08-28-2012, 12:27 AM #74
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08-28-2012, 11:17 PM #76
Looks like a pretty cool idea and I like the concept. I'll definitely give it a shot. Obviously you've seen results from doing it, but I was wondering one thing: in most of research I've done and in my personal experience doing two or more big lifts in a single workout (bench press and shoulder press for example) isn't good. Especially when running them at your max capacity. Usually you've spent a lot of your energy on the first lift so you won't be able to give the next one as much effort. Especially I'd you're running down a line of power lifts.
Have you noticed this? Or you seem to be good to go for the next one. I can see if I was on cycle, but I don't know too much about while off. Like I said though I do like it and will give it a try
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09-03-2012, 07:51 AM #77
Bumping as I'm starting this today.
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09-12-2012, 10:40 PM #78New Member
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Started this last week but am doing the 5 day like on simply shredded.
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09-13-2012, 12:53 AM #79
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09-14-2012, 06:35 PM #80
Hey base great post i which i would have seen this earlier...i just got my diet together (405) a week or so ago and just came across your post? iam around 20%bf trying to cut to lose bf would this be a good program for me to start? sounds like a great program!!! my question to you is what about cardio should i do cardio am fasted on workout days or do hiit after workouts or? when is a ideal time to do cardio as iam trying to lose bf? i now this is a very debatable subject for you whats your opinion on this? thanks in advance
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