Female members...does this work fo you?

[Sierra_Breeze]

well, true that..

i would use the line..

"Excuse me, you appear to be a classy lady, would you join me for an evening of romance and adventure"?

now, that's more my style..

You appear to be a charming, well spoken gentleman, but sometimes appearences are deceiving...So therefore she'll challenge herself to see if you are indeed just that or just a very good bluffer

[spywizard]

hey spy wasnt it you who had the great one about some card pre written???

wow..i'm feel great pride that your remembered that one..

yes..

You purchase a thank you card, and go up to a woman with her friends and say

"excuse me, (as you take out the card and a pen) may i have your mothers' address??

I would like to send her this thank you card for giving the world such a nice person to be here"

works.. everytime..

[chest6]

time took forever to read all of this thread...14 ppl viewing damn. I suck at approaching girls nothing ever works..only situation that has worked for me is if I have a friend by me..confidence thing I guess. Orr..if the girl is interested in me obviously

[ttuprincess]

yup that was it spy... i like that one

[punchrf]

wow..i'm feel great pride that your remembered that one..

yes..

You purchase a thank you card, and go up to a woman with her friends and say

"excuse me, (as you take out the card and a pen) may i have your mothers' address??

I would like to send her this thank you card for giving the world such a nice person to be here"

works.. everytime..

that is a good one... i may just have to bust that one out if i get in a frisky mood.

[spywizard]

i hate telling the young guys this one.. but then again.. i don't need it anymore..

[Jerzey]

One I'll never forget is "there's something about a woman that can kick my ass....." no joke, the whole bar was rolling in laughter I didn't see that one coming either, the guy wouldn't leave my bar all night... thank god he didn't say that until the end of the night or I would have been laughing every time I saw him =....

[MoneyAddyct]

"I'm a little intimidated--I can tell you're an amazing lover."

[63190]

hhaa do it.. but try not to make it look like you're piking her up.. attempt to make it look like your interested in what she's doing

Do what? Strike up a conversation in between sweaty sets?

You don't tell them that do you? When you approach them? Do you act needy and deprived? Act bold and confident....not arrogant and dismissive, this is my theory....(If you don't want to know...then don't ask!!) Simple as that.

No I don't tell them that. I just ask one question at a time and listen patiently for an answer. The last time, she just gave very short answers. I waited for a lil' before asking the next question, to make sure she was done answering the question. I'm a very good listener, just bad at conversations as Anna says. I don't even talk that much with my guy friends. I'm just very quiet. It takes me forever to open up to people. Only time I ramble on is on subjects like this, racing, body building, weight lifting, pro-wrestling, animé.
I guess I'm just a dork. People often tell me that, so it must be true.
I guess I just come off as boring.
I wish more chicks looking for guys would go to the drag races. It's always a sausage fest there.
I went to a circle dirt trak race last Friday. Winged Sprint cars were there. Arizona Outlaws. Lot's of taken-ass there. To bad that was the last race of the season.
When I go out to catch live rock bands, I never see a group of women there. Only guys. I guess Judas Priest ruined it for women. It's not like all hard core acts are gay.
It's like if it's not wussy sounding like Journey, there are no women there. Then when you find a wuss-rock band playing, it's gotta be a big show that's so loud that you can't get in a word edge-wise during the performance. Then when it's intermission, are you so possed to follow them to the bathroom? That comes off rather stocker/pervish.
I'm just really socially awkward.

[Anna Bollick]

Do what? Strike up a conversation in between sweaty sets?

No I don't tell them that. I just ask one question at a time and listen patiently for an answer. The last time, she just gave very short answers. I waited for a lil' before asking the next question, to make sure she was done answering the question. I'm a very good listener, just bad at conversations as Anna says. I don't even talk that much with my guy friends. I'm just very quiet. It takes me forever to open up to people. Only time I ramble on is on subjects like this, racing, body building, weight lifting, pro-wrestling, animé.
I guess I'm just a dork. People often tell me that, so it must be true.
I guess I just come off as boring.
I wish more chicks looking for guys would go to the drag races. It's always a sausage fest there.
I went to a circle dirt trak race last Friday. Winged Sprint cars were there. Arizona Outlaws. Lot's of taken-ass there. To bad that was the last race of the season.
When I go out to catch live rock bands, I never see a group of women there. Only guys. I guess Judas Priest ruined it for women. It's not like all hard core acts are gay.
It's like if it's not wussy sounding like Journey, there are no women there. Then when you find a wuss-rock band playing, it's gotta be a big show that's so loud that you can't get in a word edge-wise during the performance. Then when it's intermission, are you so possed to follow them to the bathroom? That comes off rather stocker/pervish.
I'm just really socially awkward.

Loud music is very unromantic. Shouting in someone's ear and ruining your vocal cords is not romantic. Want to pick up women? don't do it at a rock concert. Want to take a woman out somewhere and get to know her better and more importantly let her get to know you better, then no rock and roll shows.

To MEET women, try quieter bars, or better yet don't do the bars at all. Keep your eyes open at the grocery, the laundromat, the library, the park, places like that. Ride the bus or streetcar. Walk around. Take a class at your local college.

One little trick that seemed to work for me when I was still trying to live as a man was to "accidentally" bump into a woman carrying some items, and then appoligize, all embarassed, and help her pick them back up, and maybe offer her a ride home cause my truck is right around the corner. Yes, that is sneaky and dishonest. But it works. You might even get points later by admitting your little ruse. Anything that makes you seem vulnerable brings out mothering instincts. Asking for help because you know absolutely nothing about some domestic type chore like separating whites from colors from permanent press from cottons and what needs to be hand washed, stuff like that, will get a conversation going. Works GREAT on MILFs. Anyway, you don't have to prattle on and on. Some women like and respect a quiet man, or have some compassion for one who has a hard time composing his thoughts when talking to a woman. But before parting, engineer another meeting, maybe by inviting her out for lunch. Lunch dates are noncommittal and nonthreatening. A good second step. You can discuss mutual interests, if there are any. You can discuss politics or a topic you both happen to hear on the radio or a tv talk show or newspaper headlines. Not romantic, but that can come later, in due time. This is part of the process of getting comfortable with her, and getting her comfortable with you. Go easy on the BS... try to stick to the unvarnished truth. Before parting, set up a more intimate date. Before you know it, you will be talking to her like she was your sister but of course you don't f#ck your sister. Unless you are from the West Bank hee hee!

You really should try to find an interest that is shared by more women. Try ballroom dancing. Learn to TANGO! Nothing could possibly be sexier or more romantic than the Tango, Girlfriend! Take a class. You might meet some really nice girls there. Enquire first if the classes are for couples only. Get interested in the theatre or opera. None of these things will be just every woman's cup of tea, but you would be surprised at how much interest you generate by inviting a woman to see a play, whether a major traveling production or a local homegrown show. Dinner afterwards is of course a logical extension of the date. Then maybe out to a club that has a Tango night LOL! Just one or two harmless little drinks, and a quick turn around the dance floor... you can teach her something or two if she doesn't know how to dance.

I often had women approach me in clubs. I was usually very quiet, when not trying to impress anyone with my masculinity. Over time I found the wardrobe choices that showed off my body but not in an obviously showoff way. Good grooming and manners helps, and never go crazy with the cologne. Just a drop or two is MORE then enough. It is fine for her to see you smile at her from across the bar. It is not so fine for her to smell you from across the bar. The trick I find to using fragrance, whether a men's or a women's fragrance, is to use so little that another person feels compelled to get closer where it can be smelled in its fullness. From 4 feet away, it should say "come closer and figure out what sort of smell I really am". From one foot away it should say "get your nose right in here and inhale, because I am so subtle", and of course where the nose goes, the rest of the body follows. Anyway, once you notice a woman checking you out, offer a smile, maybe send a drink over. If she is eager and wants to make it easy and obvious for you, she will probably invite you to sit by her. Otherwise, you wait a suitable length of time and go over and introduce yourself, use the compliment trick, whatever.

As I said before, PRACTICE will help you get over the little insecurities you feel when the situation calls for chatting up a woman. Talk to women until you are nearly bored with talking to women. Let it become a natural thing that you hardly have to think about. Try setting yourself a goal, like getting far enough to at least introduce yourself to, let's say, three women each and every day. Maybe collecting at least one phone number daily, whether you will actually call, or not. If you blow it with a woman, no big deal. There are others. Go ahead and make your mistakes, and learn from them instead of being discouraged by them.

Love
Anna "Dear Abby" Bollick, JSRH

[ginkobulloba]

Wow. Anna you are a fantastic contributer to this site. I'm speechless.

[MoneyAddyct]

Wow, for a juiced shemale rescue hooker, that was pretty informative and well-put. Speechless as well.

[collar]

anna that is some great advice..

and i actually think this is great statement.....

(The trick I find to using fragrance, whether a men's or a women's fragrance, is to use so little that another person feels compelled to get closer where it can be smelled in its fullness. From 4 feet away, it should say "come closer and figure out what sort of smell I really am". From one foot away it should say "get your nose right in here and inhale, because I am so subtle)

very informative information thank you
i even find it interesting..

[Anna Bollick]

anna that is some great advice..

and i actually think this is great statement.....

(The trick I find to using fragrance, whether a men's or a women's fragrance, is to use so little that another person feels compelled to get closer where it can be smelled in its fullness. From 4 feet away, it should say "come closer and figure out what sort of smell I really am". From one foot away it should say "get your nose right in here and inhale, because I am so subtle)

very informative information thank you
i even find it interesting..

Thank you, Gink, Money, and Collar, for the lovely compliments! Frankly, sometimes I get bored with sex. So many men, so many women... so being able to possibly help someone else hook up is fun. Share the love, Girlfriend!

When I was still living as a man and constantly on the defensive, trying to prove to myself and to the world that I was just as manly as any other man, I put a lot of energy and effort into the chase. I had a special incentive above and beyond the mating urge, to have sex with as many women as humanly possible. Then, when I began transition, the natural thing for me to do was to prove to myself and to the world that I was just as womanly as any other woman, so I put a lot of effort and energy into picking up men. Now I guess I don't have anything much to prove anymore to anyone, so f#ck it. And now it seems that the "f#ck it" attitude gets me more propositions than ever. My sluttish days taught me to be sensitive and aware of when someone was coming on to me or wanted to but was too shy. Maybe it was always like that, and I just never picked up the cues. The average person in a social setting will have probably a half dozen people hit on them, but usually in a very subtle way, sometimes even subconsciously. Even a rather unnattractive person gets these mini-hits, because for every horny, ugly man, there is a horny, ugly woman willing to settle for her opposite, and vice versa. Plus there are the sympathy screws. The average person just doesn't realize when they are getting signals to "go for it". I think M-F TS who were sexually active heterosexual men before becoming sexually active heterosexual or bisexual or lesbian TS women, have a uniquely whole perspective. Sometimes I feel like a sexual Goddess or something. Oh well... I hope everyone who wants some, gets some. As for me, well, it's just a job, I guess. (except when I get to break in a virgin ass)

Kiss Kiss
Anna

[63190]

Cologne? Ha! I never were that. People tell me I smell good to often. All it is, is Irish Spring soap, Suave 2-in-1, and Right Guard Exreme. Sad part is, I seem to get more men telling me so then women. *shudder* I hate work now.
Clothes? I'm a rocker, born and bred. I hate wearing button up shirts and slacks, but people do compliment me more when I am dressed up. I just feel really, really uncomfortable in them as apposed to my T and geans.
I'd rather find a rock-goddess who would enjoy my genre of music/venues. "To thine own self be ture", right? I'll never find a chick who would enjoy a metal concert at a disco dance club. "It's gotta be rock'n'roll music, if you wanna dance with me."
Don't even try to take me to a disco.
You'll never even get me out on the floor.
In ten minutes I'll be late for the door.
I've been ridding the bus to and from work. So far, nothing remotely attractive. I suppose I could just try chatting. Fogitabout getting any numbers though.
Every thing else sounds like to much work.
I've called dance studios in the area. The all suck. All classes are made for people who work first shift. Not even weekend classes. It'll probably be another ten years before I have enough senority to move up to first shift. Currently working grave yard, hope to move back to swing shift in November.
Here I go again on my own
Down the only road I've ever known

[GREENMACHINE]

Here's a quarter phone your husband and tell him you won't be home tonight.

[Anna Bollick]

Cologne? Ha! I never were that. People tell me I smell good to often. All it is, is Irish Spring soap, Suave 2-in-1, and Right Guard Exreme. Sad part is, I seem to get more men telling me so then women. *shudder* I hate work now.

TOO MUCH SCENT! You want women who are a foot away from you to desire to get even closer. Drop the Irish Spring and go easy on the Right Guard and you should be okay. Try Ivory soap. It is more neutral but still has a faint clean smell. Speaking for myself, deodorant soaps smell too strong and tend to repel me when I am within range. The scent moves the comfort zone out a couple of feet from where it should be.

Clothes? I'm a rocker, born and bred. I hate wearing button up shirts and slacks, but people do compliment me more when I am dressed up. I just feel really, really uncomfortable in them as apposed to my T and geans.

It is only a small step up from t-shirt and jeans to polo shirt and nicer jeans or casual slacks. If you have the back and chest for it, and a small waist, go with wide horizontal stripes. That will display your width better. Most men are very careless about the fit of their jeans. A bodybuilder often has problems finding jeans that fit, too. Experiment, and get some female opinions. Find a brand that works for you and stick with it. But even a t-shirt can work if it FITS. Every man I see in a T-shirt these days wears it all baggy and saggy, or else so tight that the shoulder seam is way up on the traps and the arm material is bunched up in the underarm. Once again, you need to experiment, then select a brand and size that works for you and stick with it. Also, black is out. Colors are passe. Go with basic white, no design, pocket or no pocket as you please. Always separate your whites and use bleach to keep them sparkling. They are cheap, so if you stain one up, it is a work shirt or a rag. Tuck it in. Wear a nice belt... maybe something studded or embossed for the jeans look, and a plain one of obvious quality to go with slacks. The basic rocker uniform is very dull and unappealing to most women. You have to spice it up a bit and brighten it up a bit. Not like festive, or gay, but make it appealing. Your clothes are the first layer of YOU. They SAY something to women, and you want them to say something sexy, not sloppy.

I'd rather find a rock-goddess who would enjoy my genre of music/venues. "To thine own self be ture", right? I'll never find a chick who would enjoy a metal concert at a disco dance club. "It's gotta be rock'n'roll music, if you wanna dance with me."
Don't even try to take me to a disco.
You'll never even get me out on the floor.
In ten minutes I'll be late for the door.

Well if that is more important than getting laid, I can understand. Just be aware that you are setting priorities and it will be an uphill battle getting and keeping a lover or lovers. My suggestion is do the rock thing, since it is so much a part of your life, but mix it up a little in order to get the girls. You might be able to teach some delightful young nymph something about your brand of music.

I've been ridding the bus to and from work. So far, nothing remotely attractive. I suppose I could just try chatting. Fogitabout getting any numbers though.
Every thing else sounds like to much work.

It IS work. You are being a salesman. More effort equals better results. Don't worry about whether a woman on the bus is attractive or not... chat her up anyway. Good practice. Besides, it helps pass the time. And you are brightening up someone else's possibly drab and dreary, lonely life. Share the love, Girlfriend!

I've called dance studios in the area. The all suck. All classes are made for people who work first shift. Not even weekend classes. It'll probably be another ten years before I have enough senority to move up to first shift. Currently working grave yard, hope to move back to swing shift in November.

Well Shucky Darn. If your local newspaper has a weekly entertainment section that lists area clubs and the acts or activities there, you could watch for nights where/when lessons are offered. Don't forget about shitkicker music. Line dancing is fun, and some of those little cowgirls are kind of cute and they love to have fun. There is a lot of crossover between C&W and R&R in the last 20 years, too.

Here I go again on my own
Down the only road I've ever known

Nothing wrong with that. You have your priorities. Just remember that you can change them or make compromises when you really need to hold something soft in your arms and the rock goddess that you dream of is nowhere to be found.

Love and Kisses
Anna Bollick, JSRH

[Super Saiyan]

nice legs , what time do they open?

works for me

[punchrf]

nice legs , what time do they open?

works for me

my friend use to bust out all kinds of cheesy lines at the bar. usually several on one girl and almost always took a girl home. i saw him thrown down about 10 on one girl. played it off like a care free individual (which he is) and was talking to her for like 30 minutes. ending up having 2 car loads of girls following us home. blacked out after we got back to his house and ended up waking up to sitting up on the couch sleeping against one girl and another one sleeping against my other side. pretty good morning despite the hangover. memories memories.

[Z-Ro]

Hmmm, I'd just be myself and be real like others have stated. If they don't like you screw em' and move on. I have a limited time in life than to morph for a man/woman. I'd rather spend my extra energy on Religion, Bodybuilding, financial success, and knowledge. Money as well, but thats just me and everyone has there priorities. To be honest, I pick up more girls when I act myself and just b/s around with them and have fun.

[chest6]

Damn Anna. You have been really helpful in this thread..I am impressed. Taking a lot of time to help people out..I appreciate it. Even though none of that was directed towards me I still take it as advice and it looks good.

[63190]

TOO MUCH SCENT! You want women who are a foot away from you to desire to get even closer. Drop the Irish Spring and go easy on the Right Guard and you should be okay. Try Ivory soap. It is more neutral but still has a faint clean smell. Speaking for myself, deodorant soaps smell too strong and tend to repel me when I am within range. The scent moves the comfort zone out a couple of feet from where it should be.






It is only a small step up from t-shirt and jeans to polo shirt and nicer jeans or casual slacks. If you have the back and chest for it, and a small waist, go with wide horizontal stripes. That will display your width better. Most men are very careless about the fit of their jeans. A bodybuilder often has problems finding jeans that fit, too. Experiment, and get some female opinions. Find a brand that works for you and stick with it. But even a t-shirt can work if it FITS. Every man I see in a T-shirt these days wears it all baggy and saggy, or else so tight that the shoulder seam is way up on the traps and the arm material is bunched up in the underarm. Once again, you need to experiment, then select a brand and size that works for you and stick with it. Also, black is out. Colors are passe. Go with basic white, no design, pocket or no pocket as you please. Always separate your whites and use bleach to keep them sparkling. They are cheap, so if you stain one up, it is a work shirt or a rag. Tuck it in. Wear a nice belt... maybe something studded or embossed for the jeans look, and a plain one of obvious quality to go with slacks. The basic rocker uniform is very dull and unappealing to most women. You have to spice it up a bit and brighten it up a bit. Not like festive, or gay, but make it appealing. Your clothes are the first layer of YOU. They SAY something to women, and you want them to say something sexy, not sloppy.





Well if that is more important than getting laid, I can understand. Just be aware that you are setting priorities and it will be an uphill battle getting and keeping a lover or lovers. My suggestion is do the rock thing, since it is so much a part of your life, but mix it up a little in order to get the girls. You might be able to teach some delightful young nymph something about your brand of music.





It IS work. You are being a salesman. More effort equals better results. Don't worry about whether a woman on the bus is attractive or not... chat her up anyway. Good practice. Besides, it helps pass the time. And you are brightening up someone else's possibly drab and dreary, lonely life. Share the love, Girlfriend!





Well Shucky Darn. If your local newspaper has a weekly entertainment section that lists area clubs and the acts or activities there, you could watch for nights where/when lessons are offered. Don't forget about shitkicker music. Line dancing is fun, and some of those little cowgirls are kind of cute and they love to have fun. There is a lot of crossover between C&W and R&R in the last 20 years, too.





Nothing wrong with that. You have your priorities. Just remember that you can change them or make compromises when you really need to hold something soft in your arms and the rock goddess that you dream of is nowhere to be found.

Love and Kisses
Anna Bollick, JSRH

Wow! Thanks for the individual effort. My dad want's to submit my name for Queer Eye For The Straight Guy. Should I let him? Is that show still on? If it is, and they pay for the clothes, that would be nice.

[Anna Bollick]

Wow! Thanks for the individual effort. My dad want's to submit my name for Queer Eye For The Straight Guy. Should I let him? Is that show still on? If it is, and they pay for the clothes, that would be nice.

Girlfriend, I don't know if that is a good idea or not. I think a lot of times, those gay men will dress their subject up and groom them up into a gay man's vision of what a perfect man should look like. That is fine, of course, if you are interested in gay men. Presumably, you want to win favor in the eyes of women, or at least reasonable facsimiles thereof. Not all women like bleached blond hair on a man, or ascot ties, or pastel jackets, or hollywood crewcuts. Try to develop your fashion sense yourself. That way, your own taste and sensibilities blend in with your new look. You can look refined and still look masculine. You can look careless without looking sloppy. You can look elegant without looking effeminate. You can look casual without appearing pretentiously so. But don't let a bunch of gay men give you a makeover, Darling! If you need nelp, get a woman's views. If you have a friend or a sister, spend an afternoon with her at a mall or some place with a lot of foot traffic. A park or plaza near an office building might be just the thing. Have her point out to you every man she sees that she thinks is appealing. Make note of the clothes and hairstyle. Look for little things, like jewelry and accessories. Watch the shoes, in particular. Men often think that nobody notices what they have on their feet, but they are wrong, wrong, wrong. Let the same woman take you shopping, and let her pick out one or maybe two outfits for you. Don't object to her choices unless she is obviously and totally off the mark. Don't be afraid to try something totally different. A suit, perhaps, if you generally don't wear one. Penny's has some interesting wash and wear stuff. Get two pairs of trousers for each jacket. You will wear the pants out long before the jacket, as a rule. Match this to some nice dress oxfords, or maybe wingtips if you are feeling flambouyant. Don't wearjust any old belt, either... pick one to wear with that suit. Ditto cuff links, handjerchief, stuff like that. Consider carefully whether you want a shiny finish tie or something a little more matte. Don't go wierd with the tie. Too many men use their tie to impose upon others, to grab the attention of others and let them know that they don't care what others think... like me, like my tie. Don't like my tie, Fvck you, too. Don't be like that. Choose a sensible tie, neither outrageously wide nor too skinny. Solids are usually not so good an idea, except maybe for funerals. A low-key pattern or print can be nice, but diagonal stripes are a classic look suited for business or pleasure. Tie tack or tie clip? Personal choice, but keep it conventional. It is getting up into fall now, and a hat with your suit would not look out of place, as long as it goes with the suit. Wear a nice shirt and tie and your new jacket to the hatter's, and pick one that looks good. Bowlers are out. Fedoras are okay as long as you don't get crazy with a wide, slanted brim like a caricature of a 30's mobster. A homburg is okay for a very conservative look, but the basic fedora is a touch more sporty and youthful looking. The quality of your shirt is painfully apparent to a woman's eye, if she is used to seeing her men dress with care. Make sure it fits, in neck and sleeve length. And on the subject of sleeves, the old-school rule was to allow a half inch of shirt sleeve to show beyond the end of the jacket sleeve. Then in the 70s, it became "okay" to let the jacket sleeve cover the shirtsleeve completely. I think for a very casual look, go with full coverage. For a bit of dressiness, show the half inch of shirtsleeve. This sort of makes the statement that you aren't concerned with getting your shirt cuff stained, because you won't be doing any sort of work or other activity where it might get dirty. It also adds a flash of brightness that draws attention to your hands, which I am sure you have properly manicured, right? Women ALWAYS notice if your hands look like crap. Uneven, rough, or dirty nails are a total turnoff to me. Your watch also makes a statement. I think it is best that this statement be one of understated elegance. A watch that does not have "buy me, buy me" printed all over it, looks nicer than a watch that practically has its own sales brochure printed on the face. "Water resistant to 67,000 meters" or similar looks tacky and tawdry. A watch the size of a silver dollar with 7 dials on it looks ridiculous, and I can never take a man seriously who wears such a watch, no matter if all of Seal team 6 or the Blue Angels or submarine commanders wear it. Digital or analog, doesn't matter, but an uncluttered face is very tasteful. Rolex or Timex, all the same, but go for something simple and utilitarian. Am I forgetting anything? Oh, socks. Apply the same principles to sock selection. Match the socks to the suit. Darker than the suit is better than lighter than the suit. Last but not least, you don't want to pull a crummy plastic pen out of your pocket if you are dressed up. Same with a cordura or packcloth nylon billforld. Old and worn is fine, but it MUST be leather, and good quality, too.

Winter will be upon us soon. That is an opportunity to brush off an old classic look... the jacket or blazer over a solid color turtleneck. This can look very debonaire, especially of you have the chin and jaw for it. The turtleneck frames your lower face and draws attention to it. You can also try a V-neck sweater over a dress shirt, with the collar of the shirt out, of course.

From a basic suit, you can go to more of an urban cowboy look, if you like. This works well with a brown suit... add cowboy boota and a hat, a nice belt and buckle, a string tie, and you are good to go. You can also try a blazer over jeans.

Two rules to always follow... if you have a great body, dress to display it. If you have an awful body, dress to hide it, and maybe nobody will notice. Actually, people will notice, but at least you wouldn't be rubbing their face in the scorn and disregard you have for your body.

Well it is sleepy-nap time for me, so good night all

Love
Anna

[Pinkvelvet]

This is going to be a great topic.
Here's one I do.
First, meeting chics in clubs/bars can be tricky and even more so if they are with their chic buddies. If you see one you like try the walk by eye contact test. If that goes well just keep walking and make sure you give her a "TINY" smile. Next time around tap your drink on her drink (if she has one) and just give another smile but keep walking. If there's any attraction there next time around she will be looking for you and the rest is up to you...

Boy, do you know how to flirt.....and good......that is probably the one thing I love...the quick "eye" contact, and the sweet smile always gets me. I'd be putty in your hands.

Hell, I think you stole my move!

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Girlfriend, I don't know if that is a good idea or not. I think a lot of times, those gay men will dress their subject up and groom them up into a gay man's vision of what a perfect man should look like. That is fine, of course, if you are interested in gay men. Presumably, you want to win favor in the eyes of women, or at least reasonable facsimiles thereof. Not all women like bleached blond hair on a man, or ascot ties, or pastel jackets, or hollywood crewcuts. Try to develop your fashion sense yourself. That way, your own taste and sensibilities blend in with your new look. You can look refined and still look masculine. You can look careless without looking sloppy. You can look elegant without looking effeminate. You can look casual without appearing pretentiously so. But don't let a bunch of gay men give you a makeover, Darling! If you need nelp, get a woman's views. If you have a friend or a sister, spend an afternoon with her at a mall or some place with a lot of foot traffic. A park or plaza near an office building might be just the thing. Have her point out to you every man she sees that she thinks is appealing. Make note of the clothes and hairstyle. Look for little things, like jewelry and accessories. Watch the shoes, in particular. Men often think that nobody notices what they have on their feet, but they are wrong, wrong, wrong. Let the same woman take you shopping, and let her pick out one or maybe two outfits for you. Don't object to her choices unless she is obviously and totally off the mark. Don't be afraid to try something totally different. A suit, perhaps, if you generally don't wear one. Penny's has some interesting wash and wear stuff. Get two pairs of trousers for each jacket. You will wear the pants out long before the jacket, as a rule. Match this to some nice dress oxfords, or maybe wingtips if you are feeling flambouyant. Don't wearjust any old belt, either... pick one to wear with that suit. Ditto cuff links, handjerchief, stuff like that. Consider carefully whether you want a shiny finish tie or something a little more matte. Don't go wierd with the tie. Too many men use their tie to impose upon others, to grab the attention of others and let them know that they don't care what others think... like me, like my tie. Don't like my tie, Fvck you, too. Don't be like that. Choose a sensible tie, neither outrageously wide nor too skinny. Solids are usually not so good an idea, except maybe for funerals. A low-key pattern or print can be nice, but diagonal stripes are a classic look suited for business or pleasure. Tie tack or tie clip? Personal choice, but keep it conventional. It is getting up into fall now, and a hat with your suit would not look out of place, as long as it goes with the suit. Wear a nice shirt and tie and your new jacket to the hatter's, and pick one that looks good. Bowlers are out. Fedoras are okay as long as you don't get crazy with a wide, slanted brim like a caricature of a 30's mobster. A homburg is okay for a very conservative look, but the basic fedora is a touch more sporty and youthful looking. The quality of your shirt is painfully apparent to a woman's eye, if she is used to seeing her men dress with care. Make sure it fits, in neck and sleeve length. And on the subject of sleeves, the old-school rule was to allow a half inch of shirt sleeve to show beyond the end of the jacket sleeve. Then in the 70s, it became "okay" to let the jacket sleeve cover the shirtsleeve completely. I think for a very casual look, go with full coverage. For a bit of dressiness, show the half inch of shirtsleeve. This sort of makes the statement that you aren't concerned with getting your shirt cuff stained, because you won't be doing any sort of work or other activity where it might get dirty. It also adds a flash of brightness that draws attention to your hands, which I am sure you have properly manicured, right? Women ALWAYS notice if your hands look like crap. Uneven, rough, or dirty nails are a total turnoff to me. Your watch also makes a statement. I think it is best that this statement be one of understated elegance. A watch that does not have "buy me, buy me" printed all over it, looks nicer than a watch that practically has its own sales brochure printed on the face. "Water resistant to 67,000 meters" or similar looks tacky and tawdry. A watch the size of a silver dollar with 7 dials on it looks ridiculous, and I can never take a man seriously who wears such a watch, no matter if all of Seal team 6 or the Blue Angels or submarine commanders wear it. Digital or analog, doesn't matter, but an uncluttered face is very tasteful. Rolex or Timex, all the same, but go for something simple and utilitarian. Am I forgetting anything? Oh, socks. Apply the same principles to sock selection. Match the socks to the suit. Darker than the suit is better than lighter than the suit. Last but not least, you don't want to pull a crummy plastic pen out of your pocket if you are dressed up. Same with a cordura or packcloth nylon billforld. Old and worn is fine, but it MUST be leather, and good quality, too.

Winter will be upon us soon. That is an opportunity to brush off an old classic look... the jacket or blazer over a solid color turtleneck. This can look very debonaire, especially of you have the chin and jaw for it. The turtleneck frames your lower face and draws attention to it. You can also try a V-neck sweater over a dress shirt, with the collar of the shirt out, of course.

From a basic suit, you can go to more of an urban cowboy look, if you like. This works well with a brown suit... add cowboy boota and a hat, a nice belt and buckle, a string tie, and you are good to go. You can also try a blazer over jeans.

Two rules to always follow... if you have a great body, dress to display it. If you have an awful body, dress to hide it, and maybe nobody will notice. Actually, people will notice, but at least you wouldn't be rubbing their face in the scorn and disregard you have for your body.

Well it is sleepy-nap time for me, so good night all

Love
Anna

Complicated as all hell.
I have one dark suit. One pair of Kahki Docs, one pair of black Docs. One pair of shoes that some chick told me are not casual enough. Steel toes, biker boots. Three pairs of blue jeans, two pairs black. Lots of band T-shirts (mostly black, one white), one green Dragon Ball Z T-shirt, one red DBZ T-shirt, four black car club shirts, one black chevy shirt, one white on, one mock turtle neck Z06 Corvette shirt, one black shirt with bowtie on mock turtle neck shirt, one green Yaga T-shirt, one green Timberlake shirt with three buttons. One blue and red plaid shirt long sleeve button up. One white collar less dress shirt, one black one. One short sleeve blue vert stripe shirt. One kahki with blue horiz polo, one maroon, one red, one white, one black.
I have one brown/black reversable dress belt. One thick buckle, black mexican belt.
I have my biker jacket with tall, chrome studs in the trap straps.
I have a black heavy jacket with my car club logo emboroiderd on the back (white letters on black poly shell).
I have a blue heavy jacket that looks like a rent-a-cop jacket.
I have one white sweater, one black, one blue with grey & red horiz stripes, one blue cardigon.
I have only baseball caps: Corvette logo, Nova logo, Bud(wiser) Racing, Speed Racer. One Santa hat.
I have a Corvette (C5 logo) that came with a matching pen.
My wallet: black fold over. Used to wear a brown Harely Davidson with a chain, but concert people kept making me take off the chain and it was the length of a check book.
I'm a simple man, like that song from Skynard.