I need/want a handgun

[Jenseno9]

sorry but i knew thAt... What about as far as reliability, accuracy etc..

[GQ-Bouncer]

I'd say its the most reliable handgun ever made, the simplicity in its design makes it as such, and yah, it's as accurate as a pistol can be

[NotSmall]

Thank fuck I live in the UK, the thought of all you crazy twats running around with guns terrifies me!

[sooners04]

I would look at spending about 1100$ atleast on a handgun

$1100 is a bit much for a handgun. I can buy any handgun for under $750 where I live. As far as bullet size goes, the argument for a 9mm and .45 is how many rounds vs. size. Well a Glock 22 is a .40 cal and carries 15 rounds in the mag and one in the chamber. Its bigger than a 9mm but just a little smaller than a .45. I can buy a brand new one for around $500 buck depending if I want night sights or not. And the name Glock speaks for itself when it comes to reliability.

[brewerpi]

I disagree,

The popular myth that a 9mm does not have stopping power is a lie. Any round 9mm and up which hits in the centre of mass will knock down an aggressor. The military switched to 9mm because a combat pistol must be able to hold several rounds, as everytime you fire a pistol, you would be performing "double taps" (in the military atleast). The .45 is quite unnecessary and only is popular to the "bigger is better" stereotype people are trapped in.

Have you ever been in a gunfight?( I have been shot with a 9mm and I shot someone with a .45) Your statement about .45 being unnecessary leads me to believe your knowledge of firearms does not come from any practical experience. Sorry but I had to call you on this one.

[scriptfactory]

I disagree,

The popular myth that a 9mm does not have stopping power is a lie. Any round 9mm and up which hits in the centre of mass will knock down an aggressor. The military switched to 9mm because a combat pistol must be able to hold several rounds, as everytime you fire a pistol, you would be performing "double taps" (in the military atleast). The .45 is quite unnecessary and only is popular to the "bigger is better" stereotype people are trapped in.

A 9mm doesn't have any stopping power. I saw a guy get shot at a military range and he didn't even know he was shot. We used to joke that if someone had to use one of those in an actual fight it might do more damage if he just threw the whole gun!

[brewerpi]

I was hit just below my armor(belly) and just above the vest(upper chest) as well as two shots in the center of the back, and was still able to get my shots off, so I'm lucky

[Hard Head]

A gun to take to the range and enjoy shooting has to be a 1911/clone. Too many guns and accessories to list here.

A gun to use as personal protection, my 1st chioce is a SIG 226, but Glock and HK (USP) make fine weapons as well.

Do yourself and everyone else a favor, take a safety class FIRST. Go to the local range/shop and shoot everything they have, with instruction, then decide what you want to spend your cash on.

[harl]

I went for a .40 Glock 23 perfect cal. IMO. The 9mm to small and the .45 is to big.

[Unoid]

I'm a fan of the FN 5-7.
http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg18-e.htm
5.7x28mm rounds (expensive and armor piercing)
Gun has 20 round mags. Its a great pistol May be hard to find for 700 used tho.
they're usually 900new

[GQ-Bouncer]

Have you ever been in a gunfight?( I have been shot with a 9mm and I shot someone with a .45) Your statement about .45 being unnecessary leads me to believe your knowledge of firearms does not come from any practical experience. Sorry but I had to call you on this one.

All of my experience is through range-time & theory. What range did the 9mm hit you? how did this happen? what kind of armour did you have on? what happened to you after you were shot? were you not incapacitated?

I have a very, very difficult time believe that a 9mm round hitting to the centre of mass would not incapacitate someone (w/o armour), you wouldn't agree?

[goodcents]

Glock 19 in 9mm, brand new for about $500, Look at "glock talk" and it will answer all of your questions. Get some "double tap" ammo listed on their site too, powerful w/o going over the pressure limits. 9mm is all you need if feed +p ammo, hi-power and .45" auto's are too much to learn when the chips are down and Will jam if not ran "just right" (used to be a die hard anti-glock, .45" auto was only gun that mattered till I bought a glock and now it's the only auto pistol I will buy) Glock #1 Sig's #2 all else don't matter.
Colt .45" auto (or clones) are expensive and very tempermental.(been there done that, won't buy another one.)

[GQ-Bouncer]

$1100 is a bit much for a handgun. I can buy any handgun for under $750 where I live. As far as bullet size goes, the argument for a 9mm and .45 is how many rounds vs. size. Well a Glock 22 is a .40 cal and carries 15 rounds in the mag and one in the chamber. Its bigger than a 9mm but just a little smaller than a .45. I can buy a brand new one for around $500 buck depending if I want night sights or not. And the name Glock speaks for itself when it comes to reliability.

Yah, i live in Canada, so our dollar-value is a bit lower than yours (i think .86 cents Can to 1.00$ US), so i meant 1100 in Canadian funds

thanks for helping me clear this up

[Teabagger]

Hardhead is right. Before deciding on a particular model or calibre go to a range or gun store. Hold each gun, see how it feels in your hand. Ruger is a good handgun, but the grip is too large for my hands. For your desires I'd say a 9mm or .40 would be ideal.

9mm ammo is cheap. While it does not have the stopping power of a .45, shot placement is more important than bullett size. You cap someone in the head, or neck with .22 and larger you turn his lights out...period. I will say there are many makers of quality handguns, and each one that was mentioned by the various posters are all fine weapons...it comes down to personal perference.

The .40 is a great round, larger than 9mm, smaller than .45. I personally like the Browining Hi Power, although I carry a Springfield .45 I am considering switching to a Browning Hi Power.

Take a course as well...before you buy the weapon...learn to handle it, clear jams, and break it down to clean and service it.

Good Luck...lets us know what you decide.

[goodcents]

not much stopping power with a 9mm military went to them from the .45 because bullets were cheaper. If you just looking for personal protection i would say maybe a used glock 357 model they have stopping power with higher grain bullets and if you just want to shoot around you can buy cheap .38 bullets and shoot out of the 357 and they work just fine for plinking with itTarget shooting wise best of both worlds for a beginner.

Glock .357" is .357" sig cartridge and .38" special will not fit this gun. Confused by this response.

[goodcents]

Thank fuck I live in the UK, the thought of all you crazy twats running around with guns terrifies me!

Wtf was that statement for Yeah good thing you are told what you can do and own Let the rest of us enjoy our freedoms now

[goodcents]

A 9mm doesn't have any stopping power. I saw a guy get shot at a military range and he didn't even know he was shot

. We used to joke that if someone had to use one of those in an actual fight it might do more damage if he just threw the whole gun!

The problem is fmj ammo, if you use +p hollow point ammo it's as effective as any caliber out there. See the one stop shot ratings by Evan Marshall (retired detective) that uses real street results and first hand info to come up with the "real" results, guess what? .45" auto "ball" ammo sucked too when it is used against people.( the little .32" auto and .380" auto w/ good ammo was just as good)

[harl]

I'm a fan of the FN 5-7.
http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg18-e.htm
5.7x28mm rounds (expensive and armor piercing)
Gun has 20 round mags. Its a great pistol May be hard to find for 700 used tho.
they're usually 900new

Interesting looking bullets...looks like there for a rifle. Not any joe smoe can pick one up.

[NotSmall]

Wtf was that statement for Yeah good thing you are told what you can do and own Let the rest of us enjoy our freedoms now

Yes I'm quite envious of your freedom to get shot

[goodcents]

Yes I'm quite envious of your freedom to get shot

Lets agree to disagree, we all have to share the same board we will never see eye to eye on this, I have a chic at my store that's cool as hell , but just loves michael moore (the fat bastard that hates America and guns)

[cfiler]

Glock is Arnolds choice. (End of Days, Kindergarden Cop, True Lies)

It was also rumored that he had one concealed in Jingle All the Way. (Although SinBad favors a Colt 1911)

[NotSmall]

Lets agree to disagree, we all have to share the same board we will never see eye to eye on this, I have a chic at my store that's cool as hell , but just loves michael moore (the fat bastard that hates America and guns)

It's all good, don't get your panties in a bunch

Oh, and I really like Michael Moore, good guy

[scriptfactory]

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The problem is fmj ammo, if you use +p hollow point ammo it's as effective as any caliber out there. See the one stop shot ratings by Evan Marshall (retired detective) that uses real street results and first hand info to come up with the "real" results, guess what? .45" auto "ball" ammo sucked too when it is used against people.( the little .32" auto and .380" auto w/ good ammo was just as good)

That actually makes a lot of sense. Thanks for the info.

[Teabagger]

It's all good, don't get your panties in a bunch

Oh, and I really like Michael Moore, good guy

Seems I have read numerous studies whereby the violent crime in London has skyrockted since the gun ban!! Hmmmm...I don't suppose there is any connection, huh?

Michael Moore....great fictional concept...poor production.

[goodcents]

Thank god for guns or we would still be under england's rule

Firearms: the device to not take shlt off from anyone or another country, also prevents rapes, murders, robberies, etc.

[goodcents]

It's all good, don't get your panties in a bunch

Oh, and I really like Michael Moore, good guy

Yeah, what's not to like about him, he's a god to us simple minded fools that work for a living. he's a punk that needs attention and a really good diet (a little exercise too )

[Unoid]

Interesting looking bullets...looks like there for a rifle. Not any joe smoe can pick one up.

Wrong some of the info is incorrect, you can find used 5-7's all over the place for 750-800$
The rounds are expensive but armor piercing so double tap away lol :P

[NotSmall]

Seems I have read numerous studies whereby the violent crime in London has skyrockted since the gun ban!! Hmmmm...I don't suppose there is any connection, huh?

Wel thats good enough for me - guns for everyone then!

You're right though, it seems over here nowadays that every day we hear about another geek kid who shot up his classmates or a disgruntled postal worker goes on a rampage, frequent gang shoot outs....oh no, hang on a minute - that's your country!

[NotSmall]

Firearms: the device to not take shlt off from anyone or another country, also prevents rapes, murders, robberies, etc.

Or the device to give shit to anyone or another country and to facilitate rapes, murders, robberies, etc

'cause your crime rate is soooo low isn't it!

[NotSmall]

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Yeah, what's not to like about him, he's a god to us simple minded fools that work for a living. he's a punk that needs attention and a really good diet (a little exercise too )

What a cutting critique, he'll be wincing when he reads that one!

[Tren Bull]

I like the look of the gun that mark walberg sports in the movie 4 brothers....

heres a pict

http://www.allmoviephoto.com/photo/2...thers_011.html

what caliber would you guess that is, how many rounds, who makes it etc...

that looks like a colt 1911, which is a .45 auto

[Tren Bull]

I love that browning....what exactly is the differene between those calibers? 9mm, .38 and .45

a 9mm and a .380 auto are almost exactly the same size. a .45 is a little longer and much bigger around than a 9mm.

[Jenseno9]

ok well i went to a range today and since I have very little shooting experience with handguns signed up for a 2hr 1 on 1 training, safety, cleaning, shooting drills, laws etc...

Plus hes got all kinds of guns to shoot.

Then I go to a local gun shop to just look around and i ask they salesman what he suggests and he says he doesnt believe in guns? whats that about?

[Tren Bull]

.45" auto's are too much to learn when the chips are down and Will jam if not ran "just right"

im confused. what is there to learn about a .45 that you dont need to learn about any other caliber? also, i was under the impression that what determines whether a gun will jam or not is the type of gun you are using, not the caliber.

[Tren Bull]

ok well i went to a range today and since I have very little shooting experience with handguns signed up for a 2hr 1 on 1 training, safety, cleaning, shooting drills, laws etc...

Plus hes got all kinds of guns to shoot.

Then I go to a local gun shop to just look around and i ask they salesman what he suggests and he says he doesnt believe in guns? whats that about?

some types of guns are much more difficult to dissasemble and clean than others are. glocks are incredibly easy to disassemble. hell, once you take it apart there are only 4 pieces, the barrel, the spring, the frame and the upper reciever. the reason why glocks and AKs are so reliable is cause thier design is so simple.

[GQ-Bouncer]

Thank god for guns or we would still be under england's rule

Firearms: the device to not take shlt off from anyone or another country, also prevents rapes, murders, robberies, etc.

in 2003, Britian had 70 gun deaths..

In 2002, there were 30,242 gun deaths in the U.S:
17,108 suicides (56% of all U.S gun deaths),
11,829 homicides (39% of all U.S gun deaths),
762 unintentional shootings (3% of all U.S gun deaths),
and 300 from legal intervention and 243 from undetermined intent (2% of all U.S gun deaths combined).

(http://www.ichv.org/Statistics.htm)

sorta blows the shit out of your whole "guns prevent murder" theory eh?

[k_i_l_o_g7]

Yah, i live in Canada, so our dollar-value is a bit lower than yours (i think .86 cents Can to 1.00$ US), so i meant 1100 in Canadian funds

thanks for helping me clear this up

i thought canadian currency was maple syrup and flats of beer? lol j/k

[GQ-Bouncer]

i thought canadian currency was maple syrup and flats of beer? lol j/k

we coverted to the dollar system a couple weeks ago

[GQ-Bouncer]

A 9mm doesn't have any stopping power. I saw a guy get shot at a military range and he didn't even know he was shot. We used to joke that if someone had to use one of those in an actual fight it might do more damage if he just threw the whole gun!

wtf?

explain to me, just how the fvck someone gets shot at a military range and doesnt know about it? Have you ever been on a military range? those people are freakin Nazi's when it comes to wpn safety.

[Tren Bull]

my friend is in the army, and he said that one of the guys in his squad was shooting his m16, and a bullet didn't go off when he pulled the trigger, so this genious takes out the bullet and starts hitting the back of it with a rock