I need/want a handgun

[decadbal]

hes turkishs best friend

[grim]

go with the .45 ONE SHOT ONE KILL

[decadbal]

go with the .45 ONE SHOT ONE KILL

that i like... Rangers Lead the Way

[goodcents]

yea, its crazy how reliable glocks are. i read an article in a gun magazine about some guy that bought one of the first glock 17s, and hes been trying to break it for over ten years. he froze it, put sand all inside it, submerged it in water and never cleaned it, but its still working perfectly.

Read that one too, you should get Gun digest? (I think, will check tonite) Glock and "the complete glock reference guide" (you have to see the torture test at the back, worth every penny, you'll never buy another brand of auto again) sold at www.lonewolfdist.com, they also sell everything you would ever want to put on a Glock. Check out glocktalk.com too, lot of neat stuff there.

[Tren Bull]

yea, ive checked out www.glocktalk.com thats a cool forum. everyone there is like me, obsessed with glocks

[Tren Bull]

go with the .45 ONE SHOT ONE KILL

you cant go wrong with a .45 if you hit the fool in the shoulder, his arm is gone for sure. its good to have something with alot of knockdown power if you need to defend yourself. a .45 doesn't kick very much either (hell, my glock 30 barely kicks at all)

[goodcents]

yea, ive checked out www.glocktalk.com thats a cool forum. everyone there is like me, obsessed with glocks

You can never have enough of them

[decadbal]

never.... ever

[Tren Bull]

You can never have enough of them

thats for sure. eventually im gonna get a 21, 17, 19, and the full size .357 sig
but first i need to buy a stainless s&w .44 mag revolver with a 5 inch barrel.

[GQ-Bouncer]

go with the .45 ONE SHOT ONE KILL

fvck i hate explaining this...

the hollywood infamous "One Shot, One Kill" reference refers to snipers, and snipers alone. This is because, after the initial shot, your presence is exposed, a second shot therafter will risk exposing your position. All other forms of tactical shooting is dependant on essentially putting as many accurate rounds down range as possable in order to psychologically destroy enemy morale and produce (relatively) safe oppurtunities for your advance.

Remember, infantry weapons are made with the intention of wounding enemies, not killing them - Sniper teams typically carry .50 Cal LRSR (as appose to the 7.62 m24) now, which pretty well guarntees a targets death. Due to the proximity of a target, if forced into using a pistol (pistols are typically considered "last resort" wpns, with a few exceptions) the handgun should have enough rounds in order to (relatively) safely keep an enemies head down so your fireteam partner can be in a position to cover you, so that you mean reholster, and reload your main weapon.

even the NYPD issue their officers Glock 17's due to their high magazine capacity (and comfortable lightwieght).

[decadbal]

if you run, youll only die tired

[GQ-Bouncer]

if you run, youll only die tired

run? fvck that, mechanized infantry baby (... the lazy man's army )

[decadbal]

run? fvck that, mechanized infantry baby

well atleast your already in the box they bury you in... light infantry baby... full battle rattle

[Tren Bull]

with a semi auto .45 its not exactly one shot one kill, its more like 6 shots one gory mutilation.

[GQ-Bouncer]

well atleast your already in the box they bury you in... light infantry baby... full battle rattle

LMAO !!!! (i'm totally ste****g that line)

light infantry, bah... why carry kit when the kit can carry you!

[Mealticket]

i enjoy shooing my .45 revolver and my colt elite 10mm.
for personal protection i carry a kel tec 32. $300 bucks new, and only wieghs 8 ounces w/ full clip.
Many Many people carry this gun for their concealed weapon, and many cops have this as an ankle or back up gun

[Tren Bull]

id like to get an over/under deringer chamberd in either .357 mag or .44 mag. that as an ankle weapon and a glock 30 with hollow tips would work pretty well for self defense.

[GQ-Bouncer]

just so everyone's clear, and it's official.

I won the .45 vs 9mm debate

[Tren Bull]

just so everyone's clear, and it's official.

I won the .45 vs 9mm debate

that may be, but i still love my glock 30

[Anna Bollick]

nah, i wouldnt buy used, unreliable, lots of stoppages.

the Browning HP can carry 13 9mm rounds, great wpn, very simple, durable & reliable.

A .45 round will definetly kill someone, but you will only be able to carry 7 rounds (Colt 1911). I personally, would rather have Hollow Point 9mm Rds.

Used is okay if you get a chance to take it to the range before comitting. There are a lot of fine used handguns out on the market with very little wear. There are also a lot of dogs, pieces that have seen their better days and are being sold because the owner has decided that they are junk. Caveat Emptor, Darling.

The G.I. 45, the sho'nuff 1911 Colt, does indeed have a 7 round capacity. Of course you can also chamber the first round, top off the mag, and have 8. However, there are high capacity 45s on the market. I have a pair of Para-Ordnance P-10s, which are smaller than the colt officer's model, true sub-compacts, that use 10 round mags for a total capacity of 11 rounds. The big sister to the P-10, the P-14 (and the P-12) are full sized and commander sized, respectively with 15 and 13 round capacity, respectively. That is enough for most purposes, I would think, owing to the impressive effectiveness of the 45ACP round. Even with a more traditional 45 cloned from the 1911, or an actual 1911, 7 rounds is gonna be adequate. If you can shoot under pressure, facing one opponent, that leaves you 6 rounds, cause a decently placed shot will, with absolute certainty, take your baddie out of the fight.

The 9mm is just fast enough that you can get some decent expansion, under optimum conditions, with hollow points. Unfortunately, optimum conditions do not always prevail. Expansion and hydrostatic shock are iffy and not to be relied upon, Girlfriend. The nice thing about the 45, 44, and other bigger bore rounds is that they are already making a hole, going in, that is as big as a 9mm makes going out. The 45, in other words, requires no optimum conditions for expansion, since expansion is moot, although many shooters think highly of the Golden Saber and other hollowpoint or frangible rounds. Personally, I prefer a combat load of two Golden Sabers followed by hardball. If the fight progresses to the point where the baddie has cover from a car door or something, or has really heavy clothing on, I want to be able to score a telling shot with a big, heavy bullet that holds together. The initial shot or shots will generally always be face to face, and possibly panic shots, and so the frangible round is good in that it will penetrate fewer walls and stuff in an urban environment.

For the beginning shooter, I would almost want to recommend a 44 snubby. Such a gun is packable, and shooting it is very instinctive, requiring no training to speak of for basic operation of the weapon. Plus, in a hammerless design or with hammer shrouds or a well-bobbed hammer, it can be deployed quite effectively from a jacket pocket, firing right through the jacket. "Hold on, buddy, let me get my wallet from my pocket... and please, point that thing away from me, okay? You are really scaring the shit out of me and I am cooperating... BLAMMO!" Down he goes, capeesh? An old Chief's Special would be a good bet if it is still nice and tight and the bore looks good. If you have a friend who is a shooter, I would recommend a single action .45ACP or clone thereof. The COlt Defender is a very nice and reliable little gun for under $500 new. It is basically just an Officer's Model that has been dressed up by the factory for concealed carry. I would stay away from double actions, due to the long, creepy, heavy trigger pull vs the single actions. Learn to properly operate a single action semiauto, and you will have no regrets carrying it or using it.

This is all assuming your needs are self defense related. For just plinking at cans or punching holes in paper, a 22 can be a lot of fun. If you can find a decent Colt Woodsman, (highly sought after by collectors and not made in many years) in decent condition, you will thoroughly enjoy your backyard shootouts with the tin can gang. There are plenty more full sized 22s but the Woodsman is a favorite.

If you decide to go with a 44 magnum revolver, remember that you can also fire 44 specials from it, reducing your shooting costs and the recoil of the weapon. The Ruger Super Blackhawk is a very comfy 44 mag to shoot if it is just to be used for target, plinking, or hunting. This is a single action revolver, requiring the shooter to manually cock the hammer before each shot. For defensive purposes, a double action revolver has a huge advantage, but the plow handle grip on the single action is much more comfy at the range. You can shoot a couple of boxes from the Blackhawk with about the same degree of hand trauma as you get from shooting a half box from the Super Redhawk, Ruger's double action offering. A 44 of whatever stripe is a good car gun. It is nicely intimidating and quite powerful, and very accurate in a full size model. It just isn't something you would want to carry on your hip.

You can do a lot with your $500. Whatever you buy, you are likely to keep it and use it for a long time, so take your time in your selection. Shoot a bunch of different guns and get an idea of you preferences and needs and capabilities.

Love
Anna

[Anna Bollick]

it looks very similar to a colt 1911. only difference i can see is the trigger.

The BHP does not have the grip safety that the 1911 has, just the thumb safety. The 1911 has both thumb and grip safeties. The newer clones from the early 80's on, almost universally also have a trigger safety, so you have three things preventing the weapon from inadvertantly firing. The grip safety must be depressed by the web and heel of the hand, the thumb safety must be down, and the trigger must actually be pulled, before the hammer and firing pin iare free to travel forward and do their thing. The High Power is still a nice piece, though, and was VERY impressive in its day due to having a (marginally) militarily useful caliber and a higher capacity than any other equivelant caliber handgun made at the time of its introduction. Lack of a grip safety is not necessarily a reason to avoid it. I am merely pointing out a fundamental difference. Oh, and a double stacked magazine, another innovation. John M. Browning designed both weapons, as well as many other truly magnificent guns. The basic designs, and even the weapons themselves such as the M2 50 cal Browning Machine Gun, have stood the test of time and many are nearly a century old. In fact, the 1911 should have been the 1907, making it 99 years old already.

Love
Anna

[Anna Bollick]

the size of the calibre = a larger round. In video-game terms, a .45 will do more damage than a 9mm.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_handgun_cartridges

everytime you fire your handgun, you should be performing double taps (to the centre of mass, i.e. just slightly below the chest) , hence, the need for more a larger capacity magazine not a larger round ... though this is my personal opinion, it also is doctrine for all military's in the world

Girlfriend, a prosecutor will tear you a new pussy hole if you ever utter those words in court, and the "double tap" is not a tactic to consciously adopt, despite its usefulness and effectiveness. In a self defense situation, you SHOOT, and keep shooting until your attacker is perceived to be no longer a threat, whether that be one shot or a dozen. That is apart from any concern of whether he is alive or dead, or whether you properly applied the double tap (now, followed by an aimed head shot by many military units... particularly the USMC of late) or anything else. Large capacity is good, but is not the be-all/do-all. I would MUCH rather have 11 rounds of .45ACP than 15 rounds of 9MM. OTOH, I would rather have the 9mm than a single shot 58 cal muzzle loader, too. Capacity is an important consideration, but not because of the double tap doctrine.

Love
Anna

[decadbal]

look at anna, on top of it.. wheni was in academy we werent allowed to use the terms dbl tap... nor were the instructors... even tho its the best method to stop a target

[GQ-Bouncer]

Girlfriend, a prosecutor will tear you a new pussy hole if you ever utter those words in court, and the "double tap" is not a tactic to consciously adopt, despite its usefulness and effectiveness. In a self defense situation, you SHOOT, and keep shooting until your attacker is perceived to be no longer a threat, whether that be one shot or a dozen. That is apart from any concern of whether he is alive or dead, or whether you properly applied the double tap (now, followed by an aimed head shot by many military units... particularly the USMC of late) or anything else. Large capacity is good, but is not the be-all/do-all. I would MUCH rather have 11 rounds of .45ACP than 15 rounds of 9MM. OTOH, I would rather have the 9mm than a single shot 58 cal muzzle loader, too. Capacity is an important consideration, but not because of the double tap doctrine.

Love
Anna

in Criminal court, all they need to establish is that the accused acted within reason. Which could easily be explained "Decadball has military training" that would pretty well explain the DT methods

"aimed shot to the head" would refer to 'confirmation shot', which is done after all enemies (w/discretion of course) have been incapacitated, this is more of a humane reason to ensure they stop suffering.

I am issued a pistol because i'm a the platoon MGer (m240), i'd rather have a more lightwieght 9mm than a low cap .45. Especially during FIBUA(MOUT) training. Also, we have to hump all the ammo for our main wpn, so the less wieght the better.

As far as being a police officer, i could only assume the Glock would be the best wpn of choice due to low-profile, lightwieght, comfort, mag cap, but i'm not a policeman, so i'm just guessing

[decadbal]

glock... no exposed hammer... i dont like the lack of control..

[GQ-Bouncer]

here's an example of the military use of a pistol - (browning hi-power, 9mm)

http://qyrang.org/photos/Gun%20Camp%...d/100_0873.mov

(canadian forces)

LOL, i just found some blackwater instructional video, looks pretty good
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...71363&q=pistol

[GQ-Bouncer]

good, looks like i won the 9mm vs .45 debate

[diezell]

I know some of your own/carry handguns. For personal reasons/reacreational shooting I have started looking at them. However, I know hardly nothing about them. I dont think I want a canon but what's everyones thoughts about different guns etc. I would like to pick up a used one and spent about $500-600. Any advice/pics would be great.

id say go with a 357. that way you can shoot 38s aswell, i would get it with a 4 inch barrel, i like smith and wessons

[Tren Bull]

glock... no exposed hammer... i dont like the lack of control..

yea, thats the only thing i dont like about glocks. its a very bad idea to carry it with a round in the chamber. apparently, lots of police officers were having problems with their glocks going off in their holsters.