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[WEBB]

yeah, but once they get to 20 then you'll want 22 it will never really end...it is a process you are never really happy with your body....

[Tren Bull]

haha last week when i was in a bar, this big ass black dude started talking to me, then outta nowhere he started asking me if i was on roids. when i flexed he said my arms were at least 18's

[novastepp]

its my small waist that makes me look big. my shoulders bulge and my waist gives the overall look of "some" width.

[Tren Bull]

yeah, but once they get to 20 then you'll want 22 it will never really end...it is a process you are never really happy with your body....

aint that the truth. you know, we joke about having bigorexia, but it really isnt a joke, its a reality for lots of guys here, especially me

[Tren Bull]

its my small waist that makes me look big. my shoulders bulge and my waist gives the overall look of "some" width.

yea, you're pretty lean bro. i need to cut more, but bulking is more of a priority right now, as long as i dont get fat ya know?

[WEBB]

tren , you need my help?

and proportion is way more impotant than just size, i would rather have ripped 17 inch arms than fat 20 inch ones

[novastepp]

people here in school comment n how big i am. i guess being thi size at 20 is good compared to most. most guys dont see someone lean with size i suppose. they say my arms are big but like i said they are 16s. it makes me feel good though. i love this forum but i see some huge dudes and i dont feel like i will ever get there.

[WEBB]

that is the best, a small waist always make syou lok a lot wider, keep your waist small and your shoulders will just keep looking wider, and you'll get a nice v taper to your back...

[Tren Bull]

tren , you need my help?

and proportion is way more impotant than just size, i would rather have ripped 17 inch arms than fat 20 inch ones

sure bro, id appreciate your help. you already helped alot with the new routine you suggested

[novastepp]

yeah tren i hear ya. i love to bulk, but i can't let myself get too far away from leanness so i never totally bulk. when i get to like 8 weeks i have to stop because i feel just a little fat gain and i just have some mental block where i wont lt it happen. i now am cutting to get close to 5% without supps or gear. then i will be able to bulk with Pheraplex like crazy and gain some good size without any fat gain. that stuff worked like a charm when i did it before for a little over 3 weeks.

[WEBB]

i feel the same way, there are some guys that could very well be pro soon, and i see it and sont know if i will ever get there, it is such a slow process...

[Tren Bull]

people here in school comment n how big i am. i guess being thi size at 20 is good compared to most. most guys dont see someone lean with size i suppose. they say my arms are big but like i said they are 16s. it makes me feel good though. i love this forum but i see some huge dudes and i dont feel like i will ever get there.

yolu get there bro. all it takes is determination... and maybe a little tren and dbol

[WEBB]

i will hit you up with a pm, i dont think you understand when i say help....

[Tren Bull]

yeah tren i hear ya. i love to bulk, but i can't let myself get too far away from leanness so i never totally bulk. when i get to like 8 weeks i have to stop because i feel just a little fat gain and i just have some mental block where i wont lt it happen. i now am cutting to get close to 5% without supps or gear. then i will be able to bulk with Pheraplex like crazy and gain some good size without any fat gain. that stuff worked like a charm when i did it before for a little over 3 weeks.

yea ive heard of pheraplex, but ive never used it. whats in it anyway?

[Tren Bull]

i will hit you up with a pm, i dont think you understand when i say help....

haha, oh that kind of help

[WEBB]

it takes time and patience, thats why not everyone is doing it...

[novastepp]

hey webb i'm thinkin i may need your help next spring, after new years.

[Tren Bull]

it takes time and patience, thats why not everyone is doing it...

yea thats true. you know what i dont understand? is when guys take gear, then they stop lifting once they're done with the cycle

[WEBB]

no we are on the same page...

[novastepp]

i just see fvcuking idiots that have no knowledge, or strength but have a developed chest!? i hate it! i train hard, research, rest, eat and its so hard...i want to show them what i do when i'm angry

[Tren Bull]

yea thats true. you know what i dont understand? is when guys take gear, then they stop lifting once they're done with the cycle

why damage your body with gear if you aren't willing to at least make an effort to keep the gains once you're done? it seems kinda dumb to me

[novastepp]

it is dumb... time for tuna and sweet potato!

[WEBB]

i dont understand why guys take a pro level amount of gear for year and never compete....and the guys that stop working out are my favorite, cause they always come back and want more cause no they are skinny again...

[Tren Bull]

i just see fvcuking idiots that have no knowledge, or strength but have a developed chest!? i hate it! i train hard, research, rest, eat and its so hard...i want to show them what i do when i'm angry

yea, i see guys with great genetics that dont eat a propper diet and also dont train hard but they are at least as big as me, sometimes much bigger. damn it, i worked my ass off for what little gains i managed to make

[WEBB]

i will do what ever i can to help you out nova, diet, trainig or gear if you need help with it...

[Tren Bull]

i dont understand why guys take a pro level amount of gear for year and never compete....and the guys that stop working out are my favorite, cause they always come back and want more cause no they are skinny again...

haha yea. i know this guy thats done 8 heavy cycles, but he stopped lifting all together. now hes got a FAT beer gut and no muscle

[WEBB]

97 more posts tren , can we do it tonight. i need to shower and train soon, i have like an 2 hours tops.

[Tren Bull]

heres a picture of him the night he drank way too much 151 and passed out early... haha, my friends are so mean

[WEBB]

there is one guy at my gym does a pile of gear all year and is fat cause he doesnt diet and then asks me what he should do so i tell him take time off get your diet right and then look at a good cycle, and he just doesnt listen, then he'll ask me the same thing next time...

[Tren Bull]

97 more posts tren, can we do it tonight. i need to shower and train soon, i have like an 2 hours tops.

hell yea bro. i need to go give the courts my hard earned money in a minute though. they are pussies there and close at 3 pm

[Tren Bull]

there is one guy at my gym does a pile of gear all year and is fat cause he doesnt diet and then asks me what he should do so i tell him take time off get your diet right and then look at a good cycle, and he just doesnt listen, then he'll ask me the same thing next time...

some people are too dumb to ever understand what it takes to achieve the results they want. or they are just too lazy

[WEBB]

well i might bail now for a bit...i need to shower and it almost time to eat again...gotta shave my legs too...i'll be on leter tonight...

[Tren Bull]

hey webb, wanna hear something funny? i had a pet snake, but yesterday he got out of his cage, now hes somewhere in my house... i cant find him

[WEBB]

we'll get me to 3000 tonight, cool?

nova, i am out...i'll chat with ya in a bit...get msn...L8R dude

[novastepp]

i will do what ever i can to help you out nova, diet, trainig or gear if you need help with it...

thanks so much man. i am going to get msn and add you as soon as i can. and i apprecaite the offer to help me with everything else, definately will take you up on it.

[Tren Bull]

we'll get me to 3000 tonight, cool?

nova, i am out...i'll chat with ya in a bit...get msn...L8R dude

for sure bro. you leavin now though?

[novastepp]

later man, again thanks. glad to meet ya.

[novastepp]

my music so loud...
i'm swangin'...

[Tren Bull]

damn it, i got a physics test on friday. that sucks

[novastepp]

when u done Tren ?