Do you have any questions about the Bible?

[magic32]

Sup Swift,

Great question.

What happens to a non-believer magic?
The non-believer (one who rejects Christ as his salvation) is left to save himself, is impossible and therefore takes part in a punishment that was originally only meant for Satan and his demons.

Can one believe in science and religion?
I do. This was discussed earlier. Science is the systematically tested study of life, our surrounding and selves.

There has a been a great perversion, a lie, that says the two are opposites when they are actually sisters. God made the world and science examines it.

The problem erupts when there is a perceived disagreement, but this is simply a lack of understanding.

[Swifto]

Sup Swift,

Great question.

Regarding the non-believer question, your basically saying they're going to hell? Following Satan and his demons?

[goose]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKnWxfc820c

[Swifto]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKnWxfc820c

Wow. He didnt like him at all.

[magic32]

Regarding the non-believer question, your basically saying they're going to hell? Following Satan and his demons?

For God's reasoning here, see posts #30 & 32.

[magic32]

Well I'm pretty good there, except for the predictions in Revelation. Put simply, God either "Knows" the future or does not. (period) Which gives me a little distance when I read stories like the Ten Commandments, where God could have warned Moses not to break the tablets when he got back down the mountain.

Admist all of the theories of "why" Moses did it, I've yet seen one that would give a resonable explination of why God didn't warn him.

The Bible stands as a firm testament to God's knowledge of the future. The Old Testament is littered with proficies of Jesus' coming and life, all of which He ful***led completely.

As for Moses' anger, it was righteous, God never tells us not to get angry because it is a legitimate emotion, given by Him. So we should be angry with sin, unrighteousness, and wrongdoing but what He says is don't SIN in our anger.

Eph 4:26 Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath:

God is angered by sin.
Oh and it’s not much for the God of the universe to rewrite 10 commandments on stone, so He did and they were kept in the ark (remember “Raiders of the Lost Ark), that’s what they were looking for.


Deu 10:1 At that time the LORD said unto me, Hew thee two tables of stone like unto the first, and come up unto me into the mount, and make thee an ark of wood.

Deu 10:2 And I will write on the tables the words that were in the first tables which thou brakest, and thou shalt put them in the ark.

Deu 10:3 And I made an ark [of] shittim wood, and hewed two tables of stone like unto the first, and went up into the mount, having the two tables in mine hand.

[magic32]

Thanks Magic.

Hows things?

Its something I cannot get my head around. Religion, God, Christ. I believe strongly in science and (to me) there is no SOLID concrete evidence God, Jesus existed.
Could religion be the biggest magic trick and illusion ever performed?

The evidence of Jesus' life is irrefutable, so I'm assuming you listed him in error. Our very measurement of time is based on Him, as we have BC (Before Christ) and AD (After [His] Death).
There is certainly a major element of faith involved in religion because that's the way God designed it.

• Rom 1:17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
• Gal 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, [it is] evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
• Hbr 10:38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if [any man] draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.

As for your comments questioning SOLID evidence for the existence of God. For a moment please permit me to speak of my own accord. It’s amazing the web that Satan has weaved before our very eyes. I often correlate it to the wonderful Science Fiction trilogy, “The Matrix”, but not coincidentally because the Biblical allegory in that movie is intentionally thick. Morpheus described it as “A prison for your mind.” This world system is so encompassing, that what we take for granted in everyday life…a painting, an automobile, a store we completely discount for religion. It would be ludicrous to say that there was no artist, automotive factory, or bricklayers respectively.

Yet, when we look at the grandeur of the world, the sea, space, or the even the extreme complexities involved in the functioning of a single cell, we ascribe it to chance. In any other venue we realize that chance simply cannot invoke thriving, let alone provide life from lifelessness with no First Cause, which science alone cannot explain. Or let us look at when science itself defies what people ascribe to it. What I mean is science's Third Law of Thermodynamics contains the built-in principle of Entropy which can be defined as:
a: the degradation of the matter and energy in the universe to an ultimate state of inert uniformity b: a process of degradation or running down or a trend to disorder.
How then can one say that NOTHING + CHANCE = EVERYTHING, when nothing left to chance is invariably nothing? In other words with no one to tend it everything breaks down, gets worse, slows...gardens don't flourish weeds do, but I digress.

You’re right my friend there is a trick being played but it’s on the other side of the coin, the one opposite God, on the side one ever questions.
Since I really can’t say it any better:

MORPHEUS
The Matrix is everywhere, it's all
around us, here even in this room.
You can see it out your window or on
your television. You feel it when
you go to work, or go to church or
pay your taxes. It is the world
that has been pulled over your eyes
to blind you from the truth.

NEO
What truth?

MORPHEUS
That you are a slave, Neo. Like
everyone else, you were born into
bondage, kept inside a prison that
you cannot smell, taste, or touch.
A prison for your mind.

Look at it from coaches perspective. They scout opponents in order to learn and capitalize on their weaknesses. Although the system is in place, it must like in the Matrix be monitored. Your life is that game film, and the enemy has been watching it and knows: whether a blonde or a redhead will cause you to falter; if the opportunity to steal will entice you; if you’ll indulge in a seemingly random pornographic email; if your woman says this you’ll be fine , but if she says that you’ll hit her; etc.

It has been said that, “There are more things in Heaven and Earth than are in man’s philosophy”. This statement supersedes science which is simply an understanding our world, and encompasses all potentialities because philosophy is a discipline comprising core logic, aesthetics, ethics, metaphysics, epistemology and all that is even conceivable.
So, this is where we are, and if the Bible clearly states that:

• Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high [places].

How then can we using an earthly mind comprehend that which is spiritual?

But God makes us a promise, so hold Him to it, and see if He is real!

Mat 7:7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:

Mat 7:8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.
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Luk 11:9 And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you.

Luk 11:10 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.

[thegodfather]

Magic32,

I would like to ask a quesiton, and please do not feel it is a direct attack on you, I am just interested in your justification... How does a man of God such as yourself, justify using anabolic steroids ? Which are considered immoral by many religious and political fanatics. Yes i understand they are covered under the laws made by man, but so is murder, stealing, etc...

AND.... if you say that using anabolic steroids is just under the bible, and it is not covered as being a sin. Then surely, the plants that he has put onto this Earth, such as the Cocoa plant, the Marijuana plant, and the Opium plant must be ok for us to use at our discretion as well...?

[goaheadandhitme]

The Bible stands as a firm testament to God's knowledge of the future. The Old Testament is littered with proficies of Jesus' coming and life, all of which He ful***led completely.

As for Moses' anger, it was righteous, God never tells us not to get angry because it is a legitimate emotion, given by Him. So we should be angry with sin, unrighteousness, and wrongdoing but what He says is don't SIN in our anger.

Eph 4:26 Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath:

God is angered by sin.
Oh and it’s not much for the God of the universe to rewrite 10 commandments on stone, so He did and they were kept in the ark (remember “Raiders of the Lost Ark), that’s what they were looking for.


Deu 10:1 At that time the LORD said unto me, Hew thee two tables of stone like unto the first, and come up unto me into the mount, and make thee an ark of wood.

Deu 10:2 And I will write on the tables the words that were in the first tables which thou brakest, and thou shalt put them in the ark.

Deu 10:3 And I made an ark [of] shittim wood, and hewed two tables of stone like unto the first, and went up into the mount, having the two tables in mine hand.

Well you knowledge on the subject is vast indeed, much more than my own. Which would make the most Logical question this: Do you have any questions about the Bible? With your knowledge, they would be alot more intresting to me. What exatly drove you to study it so much, what part did you not understand the first time you read it?

[magic32]

Magic32,

I would like to ask a quesiton, and please do not feel it is a direct attack on you, I am just interested in your justification... How does a man of God such as yourself, justify using anabolic steroids ? Which are considered immoral by many religious and political fanatics. Yes i understand they are covered under the laws made by man, but so is murder, stealing, etc...

AND.... if you say that using anabolic steroids is just under the bible, and it is not covered as being a sin. Then surely, the plants that he has put onto this Earth, such as the Cocoa plant, the Marijuana plant, and the Opium plant must be ok for us to use at our discretion as well...?

No offense, VERY good question.
I like your thinking, because it always starts with a premise.
It's true our bodies are temples (for the Holy Spirit).

• Jhn 2:21 But he spake of the temple of his body.
• 1Cr 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost [which is] in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

Once again you're beginning with the presupposition that steroids are harmful, when if applied and administered properly they really aren't. Thus, if I'm SAFELY taking them to enhance my general well-being (physical, mental, etc.), and not abusing them by the actual definition (causing harm to myself or others) how can they be wrong?

You mentioned stealing and murder which do harm others, and marijuana (throw in alcohol, rec drugs, etc.) all of which cause potentially dangerous altered states or unnecessarily damage the body or it's cells. Steroids are medications designed to make one better, I simply manipulate them and the raw materials (nutrients) to make myself better.

[magic32]

I like your thinking.

Well you knowledge on the subject is vast indeed, much more than my own. Which would make the most Logical question this: Do you have any questions about the Bible?
Nope, I'm simply trying to help those who are interested with the bothersome questions that ail them.

With your knowledge, they would be alot more intresting to me. What exatly drove you to study it so much, what part did you not understand the first time you read it?

[Priapism]

Its truly awesome how close the Matrix is to the message of Birth, Sin, Slavery to Sin, the need of Opening one's eyes, Forgiveness, and Restoration .... 100% the message of Jesus Christ.

[magic32]

Wrong.

That's actually a question, but please elaborate.

[getpaid]

Good Point..But I have been debating this very issue with myself..I have been wanting to turn my life over to christ, but I feel I cannot fully commit until I give up the steroids ...I feel that I (most people) take steroids to look better and that just seems selfish to me..Its almost like I am not living his will I am living my own ..

No offense, VERY good question.
I like your thinking, because it always starts with a premise.
It's true our bodies are temples (for the Holy Spirit).

• Jhn 2:21 But he spake of the temple of his body.
• 1Cr 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost [which is] in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

Once again you're beginning with the presupposition that steroids are harmful, when if applied and administered properly they really aren't. Thus, if I'm SAFELY taking them to enhance my general well-being (physical, mental, etc.), and not abusing them by the actual definition (causing harm to myself or others) how can they be wrong?

You mentioned stealing and murder which do harm others, and marijuana (throw in alcohol, rec drugs, etc.) all of which cause potentially dangerous altered states or unnecessarily damage the body or it's cells. Steroids are medications designed to make one better, I simply manipulate them and the raw materials (nutrients) to make myself better.

[magic32]

Good Point..But I have been debating this very issue with myself..I have been wanting to turn my life over to christ, but I feel I cannot fully commit until I give up the steroids...I feel that I (most people) take steroids to look better and that just seems selfish to me..Its almost like I am not living his will I am living my own ..

So your tenet is that "Those things that enhance aesthetics are vain"?

I wouldn't call wanting to look and feel your best vanity, unless it was a dire cost.
Plastic surgery, chemical peels, lipo, are bodily ways of putting on your Sunday best, so to speak this would include first dates, interviews, meeting the parents, vacations, etc. The test is the harm.

Take Michael Jackson for example, now you're into vanity, or maybe just confusion.

[Kingweb50]

I dont really know anything about the bible but wasnt satan at one point an angel or something what did he do to get kicked out of heaven and confined to earth forever?

[getpaid]

So your tenet is that "Those things that enhance aesthetics are vain"?

Yeah I guess I do..Dont get me wrong I wish I didnt feel that way...But yes when I pray I feel that is definitely holding me back...Do you not?

[magic32]

I dont really know anything about the bible but wasnt satan at one point an angel or something what did he do to get kicked out of heaven and confined to earth forever?

Post #50.

[getpaid]

Also I know the devil was the most beautiful angel but wasnt he also the angel of song?

[magic32]

Yeah I guess I do..Dont get me wrong I wish I didnt feel that way...But yes when I pray I feel that is definitely holding me back...Do you not?

Read the rest of it.
Wanting to look good is nor more vanity, than wanting to do a good job at work is would be covetousness or greed. But if taken to excess, it all depends on where the line is drawn or if there is one at all.

[getpaid]

Read the rest of it.
Wanting to look good is nor more vanity, than wanting to do a good job at work is would be covetousness or greed. But if taken to excess, it all depends on where the line is drawn or if there is one at all.

I know that when Im "ON" you cant get me away from the mirror and I definitely feed off attention from the other sex.(which isnt good when your married).So maybe I do take to excess and maybe that is why I feel its holding me back..Regardless I have enjoyed this thread..

[magic32]

I know that when Im "ON" you cant get me away from the mirror and I definitely feed off attention from the other sex.(which isnt good when your married).So maybe I do take to excess and maybe that is why I feel its holding me back..Regardless I have enjoyed this thread..

There is nothing wrong with making one's self as attractive as possible, but your marital status is a horse of a different color, and I'm inclined to agree with your diagnosis.

However, there is yet another problem humanity has with God. He never says get right and come to me, He just says come. We cannot be right, and thus need Christ for His righteousness which is why He died.

• Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
  
• Rom 5:7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die.

When did Christ die? 2007 years ago, by public record AD. In so doing He died for your sin of vanity, lust, etc. long before you were even conceived, and not only those, but for your futures sins when you try not to, but look up in the grocery line at the scantily clad Brittany and Beyonce. We are made righteous by His blood.

• Jhn 6:53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
  
• Col 1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, [even] the forgiveness of sins:

[Psychotron]

God, by his nature, can never be harmed. According to the monotheistic religions, God is omniscient, omnipotent, and perfect; he lacks nothing, he needs nothing, and certainly he cannot be injured or diminished in any way by anything a human being could ever do. Therefore, it is impossible to commit any crime against him at all, much less an infinite one. We may harm ourselves, or other people, but we can never harm God, and it defies justice to pay back an act that causes zero harm with an act that causes infinite harm.

It is stressed by virtually all religions that God is just, but it is a fundamental part of justice that the punishment must be proportionate to the crime, and Hell is, by definition, infinitely disproportionate when compared to any human act. No matter how monstrous a person was in life, no matter how evil their crimes, they can only have inflicted a finite amount of harm, and no finite sin can deserve an infinite amount of punishment. Even when a damned soul has suffered as much pain as they inflicted on others during their life, we are told, the torture continues. Even when that soul has been paid back, pain for pain, a hundred times over, or a thousand times, or a million, they continue to suffer. Every damned soul will eventually suffer as much pain as every innocent victim of every evil act in the entire history of the Earth combined, and still their punishment will continue without end.

How is it just for an infinite amount of pain be the punishment of a finite act? (sin)

I consider myself a christian, though I struggle through believing in such things.

[magic32]

The bible accounts for roughly, 3,000 years of human existence, and thus we are at about 5,000 years of human existence and recorded history. Where does the bible account for the previous 595,000 years of human existence on this planet? With over 100,000 of them being modern day Homo-Sapiens Sapiens? Where was God for these humans that lived before recorded biblical or written history?

Stellar question, but let's distill it and in doing so answer them all.

HOW DOES THE BIBLE EXPLAIN THE THOUSANDS OF YEARS SCIENCE ASSERTS?

This is a question that typically bars belief for many, or if they're truly honest, gives them an EXCUSE not to believe.

Often the greatest obstacle for belief is the what appears to be Science’s problem with time. The problem stems from the variance between science’s measurement of age and the Bible’s record of it.

Firstly, let me say there is great division here even within the Church, because God doesn’t disclose exactly how He did this in scripture. That said, many take literally their subscription to the “Thousand years equals one day” formula mentioned here:

• 2Pe 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day [is] with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Although it’s quite possible, that it took Him 6K years to create all there is, and then to rest for a thousand on Sunday, I don't believe it. I think that the "Thousand years" is to be taken figuratively in respect that since God is outside of time a day can be like a thousand years. Also, there is no accounting for this in a place where it would have made much more sense, namely Genesis.

I personally regard the other stance more highly. It is very simply that created age is not the same as chronological age. For instance, God created Adam as a man, for the sake of argument let’s say he was between 25 and 35. Now to look at him, his facial hair, weight, height, bf (kidding), one would come up with that estimate. However, in reality he was just created seconds ago, and is thus only that old. The Bible says:

• Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

So, it was His prerogative to create them at His chosen age. For example, we know that stars have a lifespan, and since we’ve seen stars die (black holes) and can estimate their age based on brilliance, color, etc. we know that our sun would be considered a late teenager, or rather young star. Just as Adam (a fully grown man) is only seconds old, though his physical/chronological age is much greater so would the earth’s and the sun’s be. Created age is simply not equal to physical age, which plunders all geologic and anthropologic measures.

I think people often forget that we can only know what God has given us to know. If we completely understood His ways, we’d be like Him and that’s certainly not the case:

• Isa 55:8 For my thoughts [are] not your thoughts, neither [are] your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
• Isa 55:9 For [as] the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.

[Marek]

I have a question..one that I have often thought about. There are other religions on earth...GOOD religions that practice peace and love and yet if you believe the bible these people will not see heaven simply because they don't believe in Jesus. I wonder why God would punish those righteous moral people.

[magic32]

How is it just for an infinite amount of pain be the punishment of a finite act? (sin)

I consider myself a christian, though I struggle through believing in such things.

VERY GOOD QUESTION, BECAUSE AS YOU HAVE IT LISTED THERE SEEMS TO BE GREAT INEQUITY...

Firstly, there is no punishment, because God is not punishing us. Adam sinned, we're born into it, and God created a way of atonement (right standing with Him). This way, included Christ's (one person of God) shed blood and death on the cross. That's the highest price that could be paid for our redemption, thus if we fail to partake of this FREE gift (God's own blood & life), then it is we who send ourselves to the ultimate end of our present journey. He in His great love offers us an alternate route.

OR

In your terms of infinite and finite above:
The penalty (eternity in Hell) is so high, because the cost (God's own blood & life) was so great. And therein lies the equity!

SEE: Post #32

[10nispro]

What were the missing years of Jesus? The bible only speaks of jesus from a certain age.

Isn't the Bible and it's contents written in a way that, one's own interpretation is different than another's? I am no way an expert of the bible and but am always trying to learn.

[magic32]

Good question.

I have a question..one that I have often thought about. There are other religions on earth...GOOD religions that practice peace and love and yet if you believe the bible these people will not see heaven simply because they don't believe in Jesus. I wonder why God would punish those righteous moral people.

See post #106 regarding what is perceived as punishment.

Other religions teach all that you stated, and these things can be aspired to and practiced without religion, but none of them resolve the problem of sin.

See post #32 for the only resolution to sin.

[magic32]

Sup 10?

We can only know what God has given us to know.

What were the missing years of Jesus? The bible only speaks of jesus from a certain age.
God gives us no account for Jesus' life from childhood until the advent of His ministry.


Isn't the Bible and it's contents written in a way that, one's own interpretation is different than another's?
If this were the case then nothing about it would make any sense would it?
The Bible is actually the opposite of what you said, it's is given to eliminate subjectivity (I don't think I'm a bad person; I've done more good than bad; or There are worse people than me), instead it speaks of objectivity:

• Rom 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
  
• Jhn 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

I am no way an expert of the bible and but am always trying to learn.
I understand, and appreciate your participation, that's why I started the thread.

[magic32]

Also I know the devil was the most beautiful angel but wasnt he also the angel of song?

That's very true!

• 2Cr 11:13 For such [are] false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
  
• 2Cr 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
  
• 2Cr 11:15 Therefore [it is] no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

[Marek]

Good question.



See post #106 regarding what is perceived as punishment.

Other religions teach all that you stated, and these things can be aspired to and practiced without religion, but none of them resolve the problem of sin.

See post #32 for the only resolution to sin.

Believe me I understand. I just have a hard time with this because I have a good friend who is from India. His family are some of the most moral people I know. They are kind and their family is so loving. Their son is my son's best friend and the kid is great. It pains me and confuses me that due to my belief system in the bible that this family will not see heaven simply because they choose another faith over mine.

[Swifto]

Thanks for the replies magic, got a few more questions. I enjoy threads like this as there subjects I dont understand and seek more understanding.

What is gods goal? It seems mankind wasnt perfect by any means, so whats gods goal for us?

I know the bible states Jesus will visit Earth again, but is there anything to suggest why, or when?

Why did you choose to be a Christian? Why not be a Muslim? Is the Bible the first book you've read? Have you read the Khorun (sp) or any other religious books?

[bulldawg_28]

There were 16 men that came before Jesus, who claimed that they were the son of God. A few that I can think of are Horus, Buddha, Jesus (pronounced Hey-Zues), Heracles, etc. Were any of these guys really the son of God? We're they perhaps reincarnated into Jesus?

Another question. Many of Jesus's miracles were actually performed by former Greek gods, and heroes. For example, the Greek god Dionysus was ressurected, way before Jesus's time. What's your opinion on this?

[Swifto]

My mother used to ask my why I train. I replied because I enjoyed it, its healthy and I wanted to change the way my body looked, sculpture it. She still says to me I shouldnt train, I should be happy with the way god made me and I'm wrong.

What are you thoughts on that magic?

Also, what is meant to happen to animals when they die, dogs, cats, flys ants. Where do they go?

[magic32]

Believe me I understand. I just have a hard time with this because I have a good friend who is from India. His family are some of the most moral people I know. They are kind and their family is so loving. Their son is my son's best friend and the kid is great. It pains me and confuses me that due to my belief system in the bible that this family will not see heaven simply because they choose another faith over mine.

Isn’t it wonderful that He put you in the unique position to evangelize (reach out to) them with the gospel. Also take heart in the fact that Jesus will tarry before His return so that all have an opportunity to come to the truth.

And then there's one other way…the Great Tribulation, which is yet another opportunity, though you don't want to have to go through this...trust me. If you do make sure you have enough Dbol for a three and half year cycle.

This is essentially the End of Time during which death will be removed from the world, and that's where we get into the Damien from the “Omen” material that bothers a lot of people...in short there are seven years to the Tribulation. 3.5 of great peace and 3.5 of great sorrow, followed by the Battle of Armageddon and The Judgment.

But should the remnants (those remaining on earth) believe in Jesus, and make it through this time period w/o taking the mark of the beast (which is required to buy & sell) and is your Satanic seal, then you are saved much like a consolation prize in a tournament.

• Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and [I saw] the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received [his] mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

Hey I didn't make rules, I'm just quoting and elucidating them.

[magic32]

Good questions Swift,

Thanks for the replies magic, got a few more questions. I enjoy threads like this as there subjects I dont understand and seek more understanding.

What is gods goal?
To bring us back into fellowship with Him.

It seems mankind wasnt perfect by any means, so whats gods goal for us?
He didn't create us to be, where's the reward in that? Perfect little robots that do exactly what their told and "Say I love you", like dolls.

I know the bible states Jesus will visit Earth again, but is there anything to suggest why, or when?
Jesus said no one man knows the day or hour.

• Mat 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no [man], no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
• Mar 13:32 But of that day and [that] hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

Why did you choose to be a Christian? Why not be a Muslim?
Good question because it is a choice even if you're raised in it. There is no other religion that has a savior who was greater than death. How can one promise you eternal life when he can't attain it for himself?

• Luk 16:31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
• Act 10:41 Not to all the people, but unto witnesses chosen before of God, [even] to us, who did eat and drink with him after he rose from the dead.
• 1Cr 15:12 Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?

Even the account is whack, the guards were doubled, in case the Christians came to remove the body and say He is risen from the dead. Roman law was to be killed if you fell asleep on duty, so they slept in shifts, only to claim He was taken while they slept. He was seen by many after being risen, His own disciples, continued His work at dire risk to themselves. Wouldn't you without proof just bail, "Well he was a great guy, but the killed him let's go fishing." A couple were stoned to death for well after the crucifixion.

Is the Bible the first book you've read?
Nahl, Swift...but that's funny! I believe it was see Dick Run.

Have you read the Khorun (sp) or any other religious books?
I've looked at some and I'm familar with their basic doctrine.

[goaheadandhitme]

I like your thinking.

Thanks, I do it a lot.

The Lilith theory is bunk, Correct?

The angels and "Free Will" debate? Same stance? Meaning that Angels do have free will? Including Satan, naturally.

And finally, If I had proof, Undeniable Proof, that you were wrong about everything you thought you knew, would you want it?

[Psychotron]

VERY GOOD QUESTION, BECAUSE AS YOU HAVE IT LISTED THERE SEEMS TO BE GREAT INEQUITY...

Firstly, there is no punishment, because God is not punishing us. Adam sinned, we're born into it, and God created a way of atonement (right standing with Him). This way, included Christ's (one person of God) shed blood and death on the cross. That's the highest price that could be paid for our redemption, thus if we fail to partake of this FREE gift (God's own blood & life), then it is we who send ourselves to the ultimate end of our present journey. He in His great love offers us an alternate route.

OR

In your terms of infinite and finite above:
The penalty (eternity in Hell) is so high, because the cost (God's own blood & life) was so great. And therein lies the equity!

SEE: Post #32

Though, if we are born into sin, how does Christ escape the tainted birth of being Human?
If you claim then that we arent sinners by birth then you must admit that humans have the capacity to not sin, for Christ had to do so?
For if Christ really wasnt fully human then his death on the cross meant nothing.

[magic32]

Interesting questions.

There were 16 men that came before Jesus, who claimed that they were the son of God. A few that I can think of are Horus, Buddha, Jesus (pronounced Hey-Zues), Heracles, etc. Were any of these guys really the son of God?
You might want to cite those, many just claimed to be prophets or great men of God. Hercules was a demi-god (half man, half god in Greek mythology).

We're they perhaps reincarnated into Jesus?
He appeared (Mark 16:9-14) to many following the crucifixion. Reincarnation is wholly inconsistent with the God of the Bible. You only get one trip around.

• Hbr 9:27And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

Another question. Many of Jesus's miracles were actually performed by former Greek gods, and heroes. For example, the Greek god Dionysus was ressurected, way before Jesus's time. What's your opinion on this?
Greek and Roman mythologies, which I actually studied in school because of fascination with heroes, are just that myths. These were man made stories, depicted in song and art, whose images were worshiped by for lack of a better word pagans… those who have little or no religion and who delight in sensual pleasures and material goods; irreligious or hedonistic people.

[magic32]

Sup Goahead?

Thanks, I do it a lot.

The Lilith theory is bunk, Correct?
Whack!

The angels and "Free Will" debate? Same stance? Meaning that Angels do have free will? Including Satan, naturally.
Definitely!

And finally, If I had proof, Undeniable Proof, that you were wrong about everything you thought you knew, would you want it?
Absolutely!