Are any Bodybuilders Christians here

[Doc.Sust]

I consider them christian also

news flash...they are christians! if you believe in chirst , you are christian, you dont have to be born again or any other denomination to be christian.



A Christian is a person who adheres to Christianity, a monotheistic religion centered on the life and teachings of Jesus Christ as presented in the New Testament and interpreted by Christians to have been prophesied in the Hebrew Bible/Old Testament

theologians consider a Christian to be anyone who accepts the Nicene Creed. This ancient text is accepted by Catholics, the Orthodox, Anglicans, Lutherans and all the remaining mainline Protestant Churches.

[boots555]

news flash...they are christians! if you believe in chirst , you are christian, you dont have to be born again or any other denomination to be christian.



A Christian is a person who adheres to Christianity, a monotheistic religion centered on the life and teachings of Jesus Christ as presented in the New Testament and interpreted by Christians to have been prophesied in the Hebrew Bible/Old Testament

theologians consider a Christian to be anyone who accepts the Nicene Creed. This ancient text is accepted by Catholics, the Orthodox, Anglicans, Lutherans and all the remaining mainline Protestant Churches.

I agree

[Doc.Sust]

I agree

cool!

[Tock]

Both liberal and Conservative scholars agree that Christ was a real person and died on the cross.

That's your opinion, and you're welcome to it.

However, if you were to expand your acquaintance with theologians, you would discover that quite a few take Jesus as a fictitious figure, and not as a historical one.

http://home.inu.net/skeptic/exist.html
Was Jesus of Nazareth a real historical person? Today, we cannot give a positive yes or no answer to this question. But after studying the evidence it becomes highly plausible that, as portrayed in the New Testament gospels, Jesus of Nazareth, hereinafter referred to as Jesus, is a myth and nothing more. It is reasonable to speculate, however, that somewhere in the eastern Mediterranean region of two thousand or more years ago a talented young leader appeared preaching what was for those days a radical doctrine. Although he in no way resembled the Jesus of the New Testament, he well might have provided the inspiration for him, i.e., the kernel of truth out of which grew the myth.
First, it is inconceivable that if a historical Jesus had actually founded a world religion, Christianity, that there should be no contemporary record of his activities. Surely one of the several important Jewish historians active during that period would have at the very least mentioned him. But they remained silent about him - a silence, it should be noted, which speaks volumes. So in our search for Jesus we are restricted to the conflicting depictions of the New Testament gospel writers who are themselves under suspicion by modern Bible scholars2. Surely if such a person as Jesus had in fact existed, the historians of his day would have recorded something of his teachings, his alleged miracles, his doctrines as well as the many other extraordinary events associated with his short life as recorded in the gospels.
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http://www.nobeliefs.com/exist.htm



http://www.adelphiasophism.com/gog/gg20.html
The Fiction Of The gospels

The chief teachings of Jesus, even the phrases and moral sentiments to a great extent, were paralleled in the literature of the time and common to priests of Isis, Serapis, Esmun, Apollo, Mithras, Ormuzd, and Yehouah, as well as wandering Stoic apostles. Not one point in the teaching of Christ was new to the world. The chief doctrinal features of the Christ of the gospels—the birth, death, and resurrection—were familiar myths at the time, and were taken from Paganism.
Christianity perfectly illustrates ********* in religion. Central ideas pass from age to age, but here and there a refinement is made and occasionally a brekaway gives a novel synthesis of the central tenets.
The clergy pour scorn on the denial of the historicity of Jesus. Yet, "Did Jesus Ever Live?" is a serious question. People whose historical existence was as certain as the sun to whole ages—Hercules, King Arthur, Homer, William Tell—have proved to be legendary. Adam is a legend, Samson is a legend, Moses and Abraham are legends. If the historicity of Jesus is so certain, where are the indisputable witnesses to it?
Who wrote the gospels? No one knows. They do not claim to be written by any named authors. They are entitled According to X, where X is Matthew, Mark, Luke or John. They do not claim to be "by Matthew," etc. Even if they professed to be written by definite people, it would not follow that they were. And even if Luke was written by a man called Luke he admits in Luke 1:1-3 that he is not an eyewitness but is writing, as "many" others have done before him, an account of what they have heard about Jesus.
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[xlxBigSexyxlx]

That's your opinion, and you're welcome to it.

However, if you were to expand your acquaintance with theologians, you would discover that quite a few take Jesus as a fictitious figure, and not as a historical one.

http://home.inu.net/skeptic/exist.html
Was Jesus of Nazareth a real historical person? Today, we cannot give a positive yes or no answer to this question. But after studying the evidence it becomes highly plausible that, as portrayed in the New Testament gospels, Jesus of Nazareth, hereinafter referred to as Jesus, is a myth and nothing more. It is reasonable to speculate, however, that somewhere in the eastern Mediterranean region of two thousand or more years ago a talented young leader appeared preaching what was for those days a radical doctrine. Although he in no way resembled the Jesus of the New Testament, he well might have provided the inspiration for him, i.e., the kernel of truth out of which grew the myth.
First, it is inconceivable that if a historical Jesus had actually founded a world religion, Christianity, that there should be no contemporary record of his activities. Surely one of the several important Jewish historians active during that period would have at the very least mentioned him. But they remained silent about him - a silence, it should be noted, which speaks volumes. So in our search for Jesus we are restricted to the conflicting depictions of the New Testament gospel writers who are themselves under suspicion by modern Bible scholars2. Surely if such a person as Jesus had in fact existed, the historians of his day would have recorded something of his teachings, his alleged miracles, his doctrines as well as the many other extraordinary events associated with his short life as recorded in the gospels.
---- more at the above website ----------------------------------


http://www.nobeliefs.com/exist.htm



http://www.adelphiasophism.com/gog/gg20.html
The Fiction Of The gospels

The chief teachings of Jesus, even the phrases and moral sentiments to a great extent, were paralleled in the literature of the time and common to priests of Isis, Serapis, Esmun, Apollo, Mithras, Ormuzd, and Yehouah, as well as wandering Stoic apostles. Not one point in the teaching of Christ was new to the world. The chief doctrinal features of the Christ of the gospels—the birth, death, and resurrection—were familiar myths at the time, and were taken from Paganism.
Christianity perfectly illustrates ********* in religion. Central ideas pass from age to age, but here and there a refinement is made and occasionally a brekaway gives a novel synthesis of the central tenets.
The clergy pour scorn on the denial of the historicity of Jesus. Yet, "Did Jesus Ever Live?" is a serious question. People whose historical existence was as certain as the sun to whole ages—Hercules, King Arthur, Homer, William Tell—have proved to be legendary. Adam is a legend, Samson is a legend, Moses and Abraham are legends. If the historicity of Jesus is so certain, where are the indisputable witnesses to it?
Who wrote the gospels? No one knows. They do not claim to be written by any named authors. They are entitled According to X, where X is Matthew, Mark, Luke or John. They do not claim to be "by Matthew," etc. Even if they professed to be written by definite people, it would not follow that they were. And even if Luke was written by a man called Luke he admits in Luke 1:1-3 that he is not an eyewitness but is writing, as "many" others have done before him, an account of what they have heard about Jesus.
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Thank you Tock.

This dude is sitting here telling me Im going to hell and stuff..geez

I already said, believe what you will and more power to you. But don't sit here acting like its all facts. Cuz its not.

Like I said. Its all about faith, and what you want to make it out to be.

I guess Ill being joining DSM and the millions of other good people in hell.

Party time boys!!!! lol

calling me illogical and saying Im going to hell...

illogical? Rising from the dead is pretty f'n illogical if you ask me...

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[boots555]

Thank you Tock.

This dude is sitting here telling me Im going to hell and stuff..geez

I already said, believe what you will and more power to you. But don't sit here acting like its all facts. Cuz its not.

Like I said. Its all about faith, and what you want to make it out to be.

I guess Ill being joining DSM and the millions of other good people in hell.

Party time boys!!!! lol

calling me illogical and saying Im going to hell...

illogical? Rising from the dead is pretty f'n illogical if you ask me...

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tock has no clue converning modern Scholership.









I wanna put this debate before every one because I believe it is important.

[boots555]

22. Fact # 1: On the Sunday following his crucifixion, Jesus' tomb was found empty by a group of his women followers. According to Jacob Kremer, an Austrian scholar who has specialized in the study of the resurrection, "By far most scholars hold firmly to the reliability of the Biblical statements about the empty tomb."{14} According to the New Testament critic, D.H. van Daalen, it is extremely difficult to object to the empty tomb on historical grounds; those who deny it do so on the basis of theological or philosophical assumptions.

23. Fact # 2: On separate occasions different individuals and groups saw appearances of Jesus alive after his death. According to the prominent, skeptical German New Testament critic Gerd Ludemann, "It may be taken as historically certain that...the disciples had experiences after Jesus' death in which Jesus appeared to them as the risen Christ."{15} These appearances were witnessed not only by believers, but also by unbelievers, skeptics, and even enemies.

24. Fact # 3: The original disciples suddenly came to believe in the resurrection of Jesus despite having every predisposition to the contrary. Jews had no belief in a dying, much less a rising, Messiah, and Jewish beliefs about the afterlife precluded anyone's rising from the dead prior to the end of the world. Luke Johnson, a New Testament scholar at Emory University, muses, "Some sort of powerful, transformative experience is required to generate the sort of movement earliest Christianity was..."{16} N. T. Wright, an eminent British scholar, concludes, "That is why, as an historian, I cannot explain the rise of early Christianity unless Jesus rose again, leaving an empty tomb behind him."{17}

25. Therefore, it seems to me, the Christian is amply justified in believing that Jesus rose from the dead and was who he claimed to be. But that entails that God exists.

26 5: God can be immediately known and experienced. This isn't really an argument for God's existence; rather it's the claim that you can know God exists wholly apart from arguments simply by immediately experiencing Him. This was the way people in the Bible knew God, as Professor John Hick explains:

God was known to them as a dynamic will interacting with their own wills, a sheer given reality, as inescapably to be reckoned with as a destructive storm and life–giving sunshine...To them God was not...an idea adopted by the mind, but an experiential reality which gave significance to their lives.{18}
Now if this is so, then there's a danger that proofs for God could actually distract our attention from God Himself. If you're sincerely seeking God, then God will make His existence evident to you. The Bible promises, "Draw near to God and He will draw near to you" (James 4. 8). We mustn't so concentrate on the proofs that we fail to hear the inner voice of God speaking to our own heart. For those who listen, God becomes an immediate reality in their lives.

27. So, in conclusion, we've yet to see any arguments to show that God does not exist, and we have seen five reasons to think that God does exist. And, therefore, I think that theism is the more plausible world–view.

[boots555]

Thesse are facts agreed between both liberal and conservative scholars

[WEBB]

and this is why the religion forum was closed...cause someone is going to go to far and this thread will be locked...religion is not something to debate over the net....fuK

[Psychotron]

Hell is eternal darkness, your not only seperated from God but from man also. It is the abscence of love. Total darkness. I dont mean to be a downer but only wanted to let you know.

"hell" isn't even biblically supported.

[Psychotron]

22. Fact # 1: On the Sunday following his crucifixion, Jesus' tomb was found empty by a group of his women followers. According to Jacob Kremer, an Austrian scholar who has specialized in the study of the resurrection, "By far most scholars hold firmly to the reliability of the Biblical statements about the empty tomb."{14} According to the New Testament critic, D.H. van Daalen, it is extremely difficult to object to the empty tomb on historical grounds; those who deny it do so on the basis of theological or philosophical assumptions.

23. Fact # 2: On separate occasions different individuals and groups saw appearances of Jesus alive after his death. According to the prominent, skeptical German New Testament critic Gerd Ludemann, "It may be taken as historically certain that...the disciples had experiences after Jesus' death in which Jesus appeared to them as the risen Christ."{15} These appearances were witnessed not only by believers, but also by unbelievers, skeptics, and even enemies.

24. Fact # 3: The original disciples suddenly came to believe in the resurrection of Jesus despite having every predisposition to the contrary. Jews had no belief in a dying, much less a rising, Messiah, and Jewish beliefs about the afterlife precluded anyone's rising from the dead prior to the end of the world. Luke Johnson, a New Testament scholar at Emory University, muses, "Some sort of powerful, transformative experience is required to generate the sort of movement earliest Christianity was..."{16} N. T. Wright, an eminent British scholar, concludes, "That is why, as an historian, I cannot explain the rise of early Christianity unless Jesus rose again, leaving an empty tomb behind him."{17}

Find me some secular evidence that Jesus even existed or that the crucifixtion even occured. There is no evidence for a Jesus existing with the exception of your Gospels. The New Testament is nothing more than Old Testament midrash.

[Tock]

Thesse are facts agreed between both liberal and conservative scholars

No they are not--not all scholars. Maybe all the scholars you are personally acquainted with, but certainly not the ones I know.

http://www.egodeath.com/drewshistorymythiconlyjesus.htm
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/dp5/jesus.htm

[Tock]

22. Fact # 1:
23. Fact # 2:
24. Fact # 3:

Sorry, what you posted are not facts. Suppositions, allegations, maybe. But facts? Nope.

[Narkissos]

and this is why the religion forum was closed...cause someone is going to go to far and this thread will be locked...religion is not something to debate over the net....fuK

I think the net is the best place actually.

How many internet feuds escalated into jihads?

Well...recently that is lol.

WEBB... you remember that retard who made a real pest of himself in the religion forum a couple years back?

Threatening people and shit?



Bigen and Johan had a field day with him.

Ah.. those were the days.

-CNS

[ecto9]

I think it's best NOT to have a religious forum. It's better for it to just come up now and then like it has been doing, and then go away again.

That way it does'nt get outta hand for too long and everybody gets to debate, discuss, agree, disagree, what have you and get it out.

Do I hear an Amen? lol

[Narkissos]

^^

[WEBB]

ya he thought he was a real scary guy...he'd get banned and start a new addy and though he was uncatchable and was this master of the internet...

thanks i forgot about him....

[Narkissos]

ya he thought he was a real scary guy...he'd get banned and start a new addy and though he was uncatchable and was this master of the internet...

thanks i forgot about him....

lol.. When you've been around as long as we have you meet a lot of characters.

-CNS

[WEBB]

ya and we meet more DAILY....dont we...

[IronReload04]

Its a fact that Christ is a real person of history. If your catholic you know about Augustine. One of the the greatest minds to live. He said it years ago, you never judge a philosophy by those who abuse it. You judge it by its founder and the claims it makes.

+100

[Narkissos]

^^lol.. hells yea.

A lil while ago there was some serious drama over at my board...

I've gotta hit you with a PM about my youtube stalker.

[lovbyts]

tock has no clue converning modern Scholership.


I wanna put this debate before every one because I believe it is important.

It's people like you are the reason I do NOT go to church any more. I have SO much better things to do that listen to someone who's only ambition in life is to try to convert others. You will win no one with this approach. Do you know how many of my friends as a child who came to my church only once because of being bombarded with someone trying to save their soul before walking out the door because they might get struck down by lightning on the way home and their soul would be lost for ever????
EVERY one of them after being almost forced to say they had accepted Christ as their savior would never return and where probably scarred for life never wanting anything to do with religion.

All bible thumping does is turn people away.

[WEBB]

^^lol.. hells yea.

A lil while ago there was some serious drama over at my board...

I've gotta hit you with a PM about my youtube stalker.

ya man, i would love to see it...DSM is the only one who stalks me, its just not the same....

[Second2None]

blah blah blah

[boots555]

That's your opinion, and you're welcome to it.

However, if you were to expand your acquaintance with theologians, you would discover that quite a few take Jesus as a fictitious figure, and not as a historical one.

http://home.inu.net/skeptic/exist.html
Was Jesus of Nazareth a real historical person? Today, we cannot give a positive yes or no answer to this question. But after studying the evidence it becomes highly plausible that, as portrayed in the New Testament gospels, Jesus of Nazareth, hereinafter referred to as Jesus, is a myth and nothing more. It is reasonable to speculate, however, that somewhere in the eastern Mediterranean region of two thousand or more years ago a talented young leader appeared preaching what was for those days a radical doctrine. Although he in no way resembled the Jesus of the New Testament, he well might have provided the inspiration for him, i.e., the kernel of truth out of which grew the myth.
First, it is inconceivable that if a historical Jesus had actually founded a world religion, Christianity, that there should be no contemporary record of his activities. Surely one of the several important Jewish historians active during that period would have at the very least mentioned him. But they remained silent about him - a silence, it should be noted, which speaks volumes. So in our search for Jesus we are restricted to the conflicting depictions of the New Testament gospel writers who are themselves under suspicion by modern Bible scholars2. Surely if such a person as Jesus had in fact existed, the historians of his day would have recorded something of his teachings, his alleged miracles, his doctrines as well as the many other extraordinary events associated with his short life as recorded in the gospels.
---- more at the above website ----------------------------------


http://www.nobeliefs.com/exist.htm



http://www.adelphiasophism.com/gog/gg20.html
The Fiction Of The gospels

The chief teachings of Jesus, even the phrases and moral sentiments to a great extent, were paralleled in the literature of the time and common to priests of Isis, Serapis, Esmun, Apollo, Mithras, Ormuzd, and Yehouah, as well as wandering Stoic apostles. Not one point in the teaching of Christ was new to the world. The chief doctrinal features of the Christ of the gospels—the birth, death, and resurrection—were familiar myths at the time, and were taken from Paganism.
Christianity perfectly illustrates ********* in religion. Central ideas pass from age to age, but here and there a refinement is made and occasionally a brekaway gives a novel synthesis of the central tenets.
The clergy pour scorn on the denial of the historicity of Jesus. Yet, "Did Jesus Ever Live?" is a serious question. People whose historical existence was as certain as the sun to whole ages—Hercules, King Arthur, Homer, William Tell—have proved to be legendary. Adam is a legend, Samson is a legend, Moses and Abraham are legends. If the historicity of Jesus is so certain, where are the indisputable witnesses to it?
Who wrote the gospels? No one knows. They do not claim to be written by any named authors. They are entitled According to X, where X is Matthew, Mark, Luke or John. They do not claim to be "by Matthew," etc. Even if they professed to be written by definite people, it would not follow that they were. And even if Luke was written by a man called Luke he admits in Luke 1:1-3 that he is not an eyewitness but is writing, as "many" others have done before him, an account of what they have heard about Jesus.
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Talk I am talking about top scholars, the majority of scholarship, and the greatest theologian of our time. They all agree Christ was a real person. There is no other explanation for the incredible rise and spreading Christian faith. i suggest you read N.t. Wright probably the greatest living New testament theologian.

[DSM4Life]

ya man, i would love to see it...DSM is the only one who stalks me, its just not the same....

Wanna come over later and play some naked oiled-up twister with Bingo ?

[boots555]

It's people like you are the reason I do NOT go to church any more. I have SO much better things to do that listen to someone who's only ambition in life is to try to convert others. You will win no one with this approach. Do you know how many of my friends as a child who came to my church only once because of being bombarded with someone trying to save their soul before walking out the door because they might get struck down by lightning on the way home and their soul would be lost for ever????
EVERY one of them after being almost forced to say they had accepted Christ as their savior would never return and where probably scarred for life never wanting anything to do with religion.

All bible thumping does is turn people away.

I promise you most who share there faith do it out of love. It is a uncomfortable thing to do. Your right it doesnt make freinds. If what I am saying is true you better believe it. Christ claimed to be God. He validated his confession. He claimed to be the way, the truth, and the life. He claimed to be the way to truth. He claimed to be the truth. If what He said was true you better believe it.

[boots555]

It is obvious that theism is true, does anyone reject that. If theism is true has God chosen to reveal himself to man kind.

[boots555]

any one who disagrees with my statement can confront me about it.

[DSM4Life]

any one who disagrees with my statement can confront me about it.

Are you mad that i didn't invite you over for some twister fun ?

[WEBB]

Wanna come over later and play some naked oiled-up twister with Bingo ?

who are we kidding...there will be no bingo....and do you really have to ask...see ya in 5...:

[Amorphic]

Are you mad that i didn't invite you over for some twister fun ?

i am

[boots555]

Are you mad that i didn't invite you over for some twister fun ?

Yeah I am mad, I heard free Kool Aid and popcorn.

[WEBB]

ya and he uses a real think buttery topping on the popcorn...the kool laid tastes like jizz though...

[DSM4Life]

Yeah I am mad, I heard free Kool Aid and popcorn.

mmmm i love burnt popcorn

i am

Come on man, your invitation goes without even saying

[boots555]

who are we kidding...there will be no bingo....and do you really have to ask...see ya in 5...:

Webb your the cutest girl I have ever seen. Can I have email adress.

[Amorphic]

Come on man, your invitation goes without even saying

thats better

[boots555]

mmmm i love burnt popcorn



Come on man, your invitation goes without even saying

Butter Lovers.

[DSM4Life]

Webb your the cutest girl I have ever seen. Can I have email adress.

Are you lusting !!!

[WEBB]

can you blame him....look at me i am beautiful.....

email me at [email protected]