Are any Bodybuilders Christians here

**xlxBigSexyxlx** · 05-21-2008, 04:48 PM

lol these threads go nowhere!!

Its all about faith. The truth is, what you want it to be. What makes your god any more credible than that of the Greek Gods? other religions? etc.

Whose to say whose right and whose wrong?

I don't like organized religion. Do I believe in Jesus?
No. Im sure there was a "jesus", but some miracle working messiah? I dont think so. This is my opinion/view, and were each entitled to. If people choose to believe, and it causes them to have a better life/be a better person, more power to them.

A quote I've always kind of liked is:
"I contend we are both atheists; I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours."

**boots555** · 05-21-2008, 05:39 PM

Originally Posted by xlxBigSexyxlx

lol these threads go nowhere!!

Its all about faith. The truth is, what you want it to be. What makes your god any more credible than that of the Greek Gods? other religions? etc.

Whose to say whose right and whose wrong?

I don't like organized religion. Do I believe in Jesus?
No. Im sure there was a "jesus", but some miracle working messiah? I dont think so. This is my opinion/view, and were each entitled to. If people choose to believe, and it causes them to have a better life/be a better person, more power to them.

A quote I've always kind of liked is:
"I contend we are both atheists; I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours."

The historical Jesus is a part of history. No new testament scholar today would deny that. I respect your response but believing that is illogical. The question is did He rise from the dead. Christianity stands or falls on this question. BigSexy that tomb is empty.

**xlxBigSexyxlx** · 05-21-2008, 05:44 PM

Originally Posted by boots555

The historical Jesus is a part of history. No new testament scholar today would deny that. I respect your response but believing that is illogical. The question is did He rise from the dead. Christianity stands or falls on this question. BigSexy that tomb is empty.

I disagree with him rising from the dead.

Whats illogical? What makes your god any more credible than any other? How can you possibly down all other possible gods?? Did you know, the bible is only 1/10 of the writings from back then. It just so happen to live on because of thats what the Romans wanted was it not??

Better yet, lets just agree to disagree. This will go nowhere

**boots555** · 05-21-2008, 05:57 PM

Originally Posted by xlxBigSexyxlx

I disagree with him rising from the dead.

Whats illogical? What makes your god any more credible than any other? How can you possibly down all other possible gods?? Did you know, the bible is only 1/10 of the writings from back then. It just so happen to live on because of thats what the Romans wanted was it not??

Better yet, lets just agree to disagree. This will go nowhere

Both liberal and Conservative scholars agree that Christ was a real person and died on the cross.

Christ is credible because of his incredible life. He performed miracles to credidate who He was claiming to be. He fullfilled hundreds of old testament prophecies. I would encourage you to just read read Isaiah 53. Again that tomb is empty. All the Jews had to do to squash Christianity is provide the body. The tomb is empty. Christ said this would happen over and over again. He predicted his own death. Not only that but also things like the destruction of the temple.

**Tock** · 05-21-2008, 08:12 PM

Originally Posted by boots555

Both liberal and Conservative scholars agree that Christ was a real person and died on the cross.

That's your opinion, and you're welcome to it.

However, if you were to expand your acquaintance with theologians, you would discover that quite a few take Jesus as a fictitious figure, and not as a historical one.

http://home.inu.net/skeptic/exist.html
Was Jesus of Nazareth a real historical person? Today, we cannot give a positive yes or no answer to this question. But after studying the evidence it becomes highly plausible that, as portrayed in the New Testament gospels, Jesus of Nazareth, hereinafter referred to as Jesus, is a myth and nothing more. It is reasonable to speculate, however, that somewhere in the eastern Mediterranean region of two thousand or more years ago a talented young leader appeared preaching what was for those days a radical doctrine. Although he in no way resembled the Jesus of the New Testament, he well might have provided the inspiration for him, i.e., the kernel of truth out of which grew the myth.
First, it is inconceivable that if a historical Jesus had actually founded a world religion, Christianity, that there should be no contemporary record of his activities. Surely one of the several important Jewish historians active during that period would have at the very least mentioned him. But they remained silent about him - a silence, it should be noted, which speaks volumes. So in our search for Jesus we are restricted to the conflicting depictions of the New Testament gospel writers who are themselves under suspicion by modern Bible scholars2. Surely if such a person as Jesus had in fact existed, the historians of his day would have recorded something of his teachings, his alleged miracles, his doctrines as well as the many other extraordinary events associated with his short life as recorded in the gospels.
---- more at the above website ----------------------------------

http://www.nobeliefs.com/exist.htm

http://www.adelphiasophism.com/gog/gg20.html
The Fiction Of The gospels

The chief teachings of Jesus, even the phrases and moral sentiments to a great extent, were paralleled in the literature of the time and common to priests of Isis, Serapis, Esmun, Apollo, Mithras, Ormuzd, and Yehouah, as well as wandering Stoic apostles. Not one point in the teaching of Christ was new to the world. The chief doctrinal features of the Christ of the gospels—the birth, death, and resurrection—were familiar myths at the time, and were taken from Paganism.
Christianity perfectly illustrates ********* in religion. Central ideas pass from age to age, but here and there a refinement is made and occasionally a brekaway gives a novel synthesis of the central tenets.
The clergy pour scorn on the denial of the historicity of Jesus. Yet, "Did Jesus Ever Live?" is a serious question. People whose historical existence was as certain as the sun to whole ages—Hercules, King Arthur, Homer, William Tell—have proved to be legendary. Adam is a legend, Samson is a legend, Moses and Abraham are legends. If the historicity of Jesus is so certain, where are the indisputable witnesses to it?
Who wrote the gospels? No one knows. They do not claim to be written by any named authors. They are entitled According to X, where X is Matthew, Mark, Luke or John. They do not claim to be "by Matthew," etc. Even if they professed to be written by definite people, it would not follow that they were. And even if Luke was written by a man called Luke he admits in Luke 1:1-3 that he is not an eyewitness but is writing, as "many" others have done before him, an account of what they have heard about Jesus.
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**xlxBigSexyxlx** · 05-21-2008, 08:25 PM

Originally Posted by Tock

That's your opinion, and you're welcome to it.

However, if you were to expand your acquaintance with theologians, you would discover that quite a few take Jesus as a fictitious figure, and not as a historical one.

http://home.inu.net/skeptic/exist.html
Was Jesus of Nazareth a real historical person? Today, we cannot give a positive yes or no answer to this question. But after studying the evidence it becomes highly plausible that, as portrayed in the New Testament gospels, Jesus of Nazareth, hereinafter referred to as Jesus, is a myth and nothing more. It is reasonable to speculate, however, that somewhere in the eastern Mediterranean region of two thousand or more years ago a talented young leader appeared preaching what was for those days a radical doctrine. Although he in no way resembled the Jesus of the New Testament, he well might have provided the inspiration for him, i.e., the kernel of truth out of which grew the myth.
First, it is inconceivable that if a historical Jesus had actually founded a world religion, Christianity, that there should be no contemporary record of his activities. Surely one of the several important Jewish historians active during that period would have at the very least mentioned him. But they remained silent about him - a silence, it should be noted, which speaks volumes. So in our search for Jesus we are restricted to the conflicting depictions of the New Testament gospel writers who are themselves under suspicion by modern Bible scholars2. Surely if such a person as Jesus had in fact existed, the historians of his day would have recorded something of his teachings, his alleged miracles, his doctrines as well as the many other extraordinary events associated with his short life as recorded in the gospels.
---- more at the above website ----------------------------------

http://www.nobeliefs.com/exist.htm

http://www.adelphiasophism.com/gog/gg20.html
The Fiction Of The gospels

The chief teachings of Jesus, even the phrases and moral sentiments to a great extent, were paralleled in the literature of the time and common to priests of Isis, Serapis, Esmun, Apollo, Mithras, Ormuzd, and Yehouah, as well as wandering Stoic apostles. Not one point in the teaching of Christ was new to the world. The chief doctrinal features of the Christ of the gospels—the birth, death, and resurrection—were familiar myths at the time, and were taken from Paganism.
Christianity perfectly illustrates ********* in religion. Central ideas pass from age to age, but here and there a refinement is made and occasionally a brekaway gives a novel synthesis of the central tenets.
The clergy pour scorn on the denial of the historicity of Jesus. Yet, "Did Jesus Ever Live?" is a serious question. People whose historical existence was as certain as the sun to whole ages—Hercules, King Arthur, Homer, William Tell—have proved to be legendary. Adam is a legend, Samson is a legend, Moses and Abraham are legends. If the historicity of Jesus is so certain, where are the indisputable witnesses to it?
Who wrote the gospels? No one knows. They do not claim to be written by any named authors. They are entitled According to X, where X is Matthew, Mark, Luke or John. They do not claim to be "by Matthew," etc. Even if they professed to be written by definite people, it would not follow that they were. And even if Luke was written by a man called Luke he admits in Luke 1:1-3 that he is not an eyewitness but is writing, as "many" others have done before him, an account of what they have heard about Jesus.
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Thank you Tock.

This dude is sitting here telling me Im going to hell and stuff..geez

I already said, believe what you will and more power to you. But don't sit here acting like its all facts. Cuz its not.

Like I said. Its all about faith, and what you want to make it out to be.

I guess Ill being joining DSM and the millions of other good people in hell.

Party time boys!!!! lol

calling me illogical and saying Im going to hell...

illogical? Rising from the dead is pretty f'n illogical if you ask me...

Thread locked

**boots555** · 05-21-2008, 09:06 PM

Originally Posted by xlxBigSexyxlx

Thank you Tock.

This dude is sitting here telling me Im going to hell and stuff..geez

I already said, believe what you will and more power to you. But don't sit here acting like its all facts. Cuz its not.

Like I said. Its all about faith, and what you want to make it out to be.

I guess Ill being joining DSM and the millions of other good people in hell.

Party time boys!!!! lol

calling me illogical and saying Im going to hell...

illogical? Rising from the dead is pretty f'n illogical if you ask me...

Thread locked

tock has no clue converning modern Scholership.

I wanna put this debate before every one because I believe it is important.

**boots555** · 05-22-2008, 05:36 PM

Originally Posted by Tock

That's your opinion, and you're welcome to it.

However, if you were to expand your acquaintance with theologians, you would discover that quite a few take Jesus as a fictitious figure, and not as a historical one.

http://home.inu.net/skeptic/exist.html
Was Jesus of Nazareth a real historical person? Today, we cannot give a positive yes or no answer to this question. But after studying the evidence it becomes highly plausible that, as portrayed in the New Testament gospels, Jesus of Nazareth, hereinafter referred to as Jesus, is a myth and nothing more. It is reasonable to speculate, however, that somewhere in the eastern Mediterranean region of two thousand or more years ago a talented young leader appeared preaching what was for those days a radical doctrine. Although he in no way resembled the Jesus of the New Testament, he well might have provided the inspiration for him, i.e., the kernel of truth out of which grew the myth.
First, it is inconceivable that if a historical Jesus had actually founded a world religion, Christianity, that there should be no contemporary record of his activities. Surely one of the several important Jewish historians active during that period would have at the very least mentioned him. But they remained silent about him - a silence, it should be noted, which speaks volumes. So in our search for Jesus we are restricted to the conflicting depictions of the New Testament gospel writers who are themselves under suspicion by modern Bible scholars2. Surely if such a person as Jesus had in fact existed, the historians of his day would have recorded something of his teachings, his alleged miracles, his doctrines as well as the many other extraordinary events associated with his short life as recorded in the gospels.
---- more at the above website ----------------------------------

http://www.nobeliefs.com/exist.htm

http://www.adelphiasophism.com/gog/gg20.html
The Fiction Of The gospels

The chief teachings of Jesus, even the phrases and moral sentiments to a great extent, were paralleled in the literature of the time and common to priests of Isis, Serapis, Esmun, Apollo, Mithras, Ormuzd, and Yehouah, as well as wandering Stoic apostles. Not one point in the teaching of Christ was new to the world. The chief doctrinal features of the Christ of the gospels—the birth, death, and resurrection—were familiar myths at the time, and were taken from Paganism.
Christianity perfectly illustrates ********* in religion. Central ideas pass from age to age, but here and there a refinement is made and occasionally a brekaway gives a novel synthesis of the central tenets.
The clergy pour scorn on the denial of the historicity of Jesus. Yet, "Did Jesus Ever Live?" is a serious question. People whose historical existence was as certain as the sun to whole ages—Hercules, King Arthur, Homer, William Tell—have proved to be legendary. Adam is a legend, Samson is a legend, Moses and Abraham are legends. If the historicity of Jesus is so certain, where are the indisputable witnesses to it?
Who wrote the gospels? No one knows. They do not claim to be written by any named authors. They are entitled According to X, where X is Matthew, Mark, Luke or John. They do not claim to be "by Matthew," etc. Even if they professed to be written by definite people, it would not follow that they were. And even if Luke was written by a man called Luke he admits in Luke 1:1-3 that he is not an eyewitness but is writing, as "many" others have done before him, an account of what they have heard about Jesus.
-------more at website----------------------------------

Talk I am talking about top scholars, the majority of scholarship, and the greatest theologian of our time. They all agree Christ was a real person. There is no other explanation for the incredible rise and spreading Christian faith. i suggest you read N.t. Wright probably the greatest living New testament theologian.