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Haha. I remember you having this conversation once before.
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06-18-2008, 08:41 AM #42Banned
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Nice post guys,this is why I find liquid beef amino very appealing,just started it and really love it,it does not get broken down.Great taste just a little expensive.Amazing amino profile.
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06-18-2008, 09:09 AM #43
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06-18-2008, 09:10 AM #44Banned
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06-18-2008, 09:12 AM #45
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06-18-2008, 09:13 AM #46Banned
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06-18-2008, 09:13 AM #47
Awesome buddy!!!! Thanks.....
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06-18-2008, 12:46 PM #48
Hey guys, not to hijack, but can you give a little information on the liquid beef aminos. (either in this thread or a new one) I researched a bunch of other sites and there seems to be a lot of misinformation and speculation about them. Thanks in advance.
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06-18-2008, 02:17 PM #49
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06-18-2008, 04:51 PM #50Banned
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I've been wondering about this issue. I dont always have time in the morning to cook eggs. Drinking egg whites I have held off on because of articles like this:
http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/chri...n_raw_eggs.htm
http://www.healingdaily.com/detoxifi...t/raw-eggs.htm
...saying that egg whites alone contain avidin which can cause a biotin deficiency. I guess possible solutions would be taking a biotin suppliment or drinking egg yolks, which contain a lot of biotin to bind to the avidin. Obviously this entails drinking the whole egg rather than just the egg white, but i dont know if they sell pasteurized whole eggs.
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06-18-2008, 07:26 PM #52
fvck the raw eggs but i only eat meat, milk, and eggs for my protein. i would rather eat then drink it.
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06-19-2008, 12:14 PM #53Banned
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I think in a decade us guys will not be eating normal protein/or whey and powders are gone.
http://blogs.zdnet.com/emergingtech/?p=484
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06-19-2008, 01:08 PM #54Banned
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This mornin I drank some whole eggs (just to try it out), right after some unflavored clomid/liquidex and a whey shake. Haha, I spit one of the yokes out... I must be a pvssy
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06-22-2008, 03:42 PM #56Banned
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OK,I have terminated the trial with the liquid beef.Going to stick with the powders and egg whites for the extra amino kick.
I thought something was wrong as the taste was to good.Found out its high in Glycerine, Artificial Flavors and Sucralose.Now I hope you guys know about how tasty aspartame is,well sucralose is a little tasty too,not as toxic as aspartame.Humans are addicted to sugar and I try avoid this drug as much as possible,only way if you want to eat clean 24/7.
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06-22-2008, 03:46 PM #57
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06-22-2008, 03:50 PM #58Banned
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Here are hard facts.
http://www.sweetpoison.com/aspartame-sweeteners.html
Just to confirm: NO stabilisers or flavourings or GM stuff or preservatives or added sugar or E Numbers have been used in liquid egg whites,well the ones I buy.
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06-22-2008, 03:51 PM #59
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06-23-2008, 05:12 AM #60
Pretty much, I was sat on the shitter for 9 days, bad stomach cramps and the runs. I was relatively lucky, a couple of other guys I know who have had it, were a lot worse off. They had vomiting, nausea and the joys of fainting as well. One of them ended up in hospital because he couldnt keep any liquids down and had serious dehydration as a result. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salmonellosis that sums its up pretty nicely.
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06-23-2008, 05:57 AM #61
Sucralose is approved by the FDA. There seem to be conflicting thoughts on sucralose completely. Some say its VERY safe, others dont becuase it belongs to the organochloride familly that can lead to a host of very nasty side effects.
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06-23-2008, 06:06 AM #62Banned
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So is fluoride approved by the FDA.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEo23zRi7YQ
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06-23-2008, 07:29 AM #63
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06-23-2008, 01:57 PM #64
Goose dude, do you know of any alternatives to the aaefx version of the product, perhaps one without so much cack in it.
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06-23-2008, 03:01 PM #65
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06-23-2008, 03:24 PM #66
Im more worried about cjd than anything, to be honest, I know someone that died from it, so its kind of a mental barrier. I was intending to use it as my secondary source, but ill look for something else now. I have kidney issues, so I wanted to reduce my overall protein and still stay reasonably big, and using that seemed like the only realistic way of doing it.
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06-23-2008, 03:49 PM #67
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06-23-2008, 05:22 PM #68Banned
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I know who you are getting your eggs from,the best
Im like ace on this,was going to use this as my Secondary protein source,and he Echoes my view on it.
Twin Amino fuel liquid amino,much cheaper than the liquid beef.No added artificial sweeteners. No soy, yeast or wheat products. No artificial colours or flavours,in that.Last edited by goose; 06-23-2008 at 05:45 PM.
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06-23-2008, 05:29 PM #69
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06-24-2008, 05:35 AM #70
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06-24-2008, 07:22 AM #71
this video made me laugh out loud. I will copy and paste the same thing I said in the comments
if you can get to 220 pounds at the same bodyfat your at, then maybe protein is a myth. But, weighing in at 150 pounds wet, is not quite a strong enough point to call protien consumption=muscle mass a myth.
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06-24-2008, 07:30 AM #72
another comment in another video
I bet you that humans have evolved to eat cooked food, NOT RAW. why? raw food has bacteria sometimes. so, spices and cooked food is an adaption to fighting pathogens.
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06-24-2008, 08:11 AM #73
That dude may have been talking out of his ass, but I think the point goose was trying to make is that it is amino acids that are important, not protein itself. Eg. if you could get the right combination of aminos from liquid, you wouldn't need as much of them as you would normal protein, because they are more bio-available and dont take energy to break down.
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06-24-2008, 08:34 AM #74
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06-24-2008, 10:18 AM #75
like cavemen. they were very strong and they ate everything raw
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06-24-2008, 10:42 AM #76
ya, but one pretty big point that guy forgets is this. Protein is hard to break down. I think thats a good thing, he thinks its bad. My way of looking at it, it fires up the metabolism, causes thermogenenesis, and burns energy. IN other words, eating protein is awesome for fat loss and leanness.
take away the "difficulity" in digestion. and you have protein with potential to convert into glucose hitting your blood directly. You lose metabolism, thermogenesis, calororie burning. You lose some factors that help with bodyfat and leanness.
thus, why, I think this guy is talking out his ass and just sounds believable to people not in the know because he sounds so energetic or something.
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06-24-2008, 10:50 AM #77
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06-24-2008, 01:35 PM #78
Dude, you are missing the point. If you just took in the necessary complete, liquid aminos, you would probably only need say 50g compared to say 300g+ of pro, so you could maintain or even grow on what would be 1000 calories less in this case. That is what goose is talking about. The guy in the video is correct in his point about our body only needing the aminos from protein is correct, but the sources he is talking about are not. When I say liquid aminos, I dont mean from raw food sources or whatever, I mean properly produced, complete liquid aminos.
There are already people experimenting with exactly this sort of diet. Phil Hernon claims to eat no protein and instead ingests 80g of liquid aminos per day, whether he is telling the truth, who knows. The product he claims to use may not be the answer, but im sure one can certainly be produced, and will one day be produced, that would make meat and whey obsolescent.
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06-24-2008, 01:48 PM #79English Rudeboy
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06-24-2008, 02:07 PM #80
1. what if you cant process it? Well, I think that would be a problem with the person's unique genetics. IN other words, they are screwed for bodybuilding. lean meats and eggs are very high in bioavailability.
2. raw veggies fire up the metabolism? what kind of veggies?
3. I dont know of anyone besides a select few are truly at elite levels who are not "boatloading protein"
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