The Protein Myth

[goose]

Even tho its not related to us guys still Very interesting indeed,some nice points.I know Rorion Gracie only eats raw fruits and veg,who is one of the best martial artist in the world in terms of skills.Im a deep believer in liquid egg whites and amino acids.Basically you need to break down the proteins into usable forms that your body can process. While amino acids are already broken down for use in building muscle/whatever.


http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ae-dlHOmwk4

[Glock-19]

ya thats how fighters eat. Did you know the Pitbull gracie died? I think pound for pound he was the best gracie fighter ever. jmo

[ottomaddox]

I'm with you on the Liquid Egg whites, they're just to easy to consume and digest, and I don't know about you but I never get any gas or bloat when I drink my whites.

[goose]

I'm with you on the Liquid Egg whites, they're just to easy to consume and digest, and I don't know about you but I never get any gas or bloat when I drink my whites.

Very true,they taste almost like water,and with 100% Bio-Available it really is one of the best.When food scientists & experts create foods, drinks, and meal replacement bars with protein, it is egg whites that is recognised as the highest standard for which all other proteins are compared to and try to copy. Another key point about Egg Whites is they have NO fat, NO cholesterol, and NO trans fats (bad fats)!

[xlxBigSexyxlx]

Right On!

[DSM4Life]

I have never used liquid eggs whites, you guys like them ?

[goose]

I have never used liquid eggs whites, you guys like them ?

30 ml (approx. 2 tablespoons) of MP Max Liquid Egg Whites is equivalent to 1 medium egg white

[SMCengineer]

^^you cook it or just drink it straight? I've never eaten them so I really don't know.

[goose]

They are REAL egg whites and as they have been pasteurised they can be eaten as they come or you can scramble them, make omelettes or anything else you would do with egg whites - all without the fuss!

I drink them put them in shot glasses.

[SMCengineer]

^^hmm, I'm in need of a new protein source maybe I'll try those. You buy them at the grocery store or do you have to order them?

[pump.joe]

You can buy them at the grocery store. I'm down with them, too.

[AnimalGear]

wow this sounds good...i've been trying to muster up the ballz to pound some raw eggs but they look kinda gross. But this stuff sounds good, do they sell it at walmart, or seomthig like it?

[goose]

wow this sounds good...i've been trying to muster up the ballz to pound some raw eggs but they look kinda gross. But this stuff sounds good, do they sell it at walmart, or seomthig like it?

Doing raw eggs are not healthy.I will not go into it.google if you want,but this is the solution for you.

[xlxBigSexyxlx]

Yes, you can get pasteurized liquid egg whites at your local grocery store.
And make sure they are pasteurized!!!

Good shiz

[T3/T4 GSR]

Every morning I mix 8 egg whites worth of liquid egg whites with some strawberry whey mixed with water....can hardly taste the egg. Easiest way to do breakfast. Drink my eggs while the oats cook.

[jtuner77]

What is one shot glass worth of egg whites worth protein wise in grams?

[xlxBigSexyxlx]

How Goose spends his Saturday nights.
Those egg white shots can be quite harsh...

[SMCengineer]

^^dude, lame

[Amorphic]

^^dude, lame

haha, agreed.

gross.

[MuscleScience]

I think you guys over think this stuff to much sometimes.

[bmg]

this thread started off lame, but its getting better....

btw... the guy on that vid is ridiculously annoying

[ottomaddox]

I do the same with 10 whites and chocolate whey and a Tbs. or so Mct's.

Every morning I mix 8 egg whites worth of liquid egg whites with some strawberry whey mixed with water....can hardly taste the egg. Easiest way to do breakfast. Drink my eggs while the oats cook.

[bmg]

I do the same with 10 whites and chocolate whey and a Tbs. or so Mct's.

ive been using whole eggs lately lol. i dont have time in the morning to sit around and make/ eat eggs in the morning.

[VeraDeMilo]

yup, I drink a container of liquid egg whites every morning, straight out of the carton. 48g of protein in each container. No smell, no taste, no cleanup. About $2.50 a carton.

[Panzerfaust]

ya thats how fighters eat. Did you know the Pitbull gracie died? I think pound for pound he was the best gracie fighter ever. jmo

No, Ralph did not die. Ralph and Renzo's brother Ryan Gracie died. Ralph's nickname is "Pitbull".

[GT2]

You know the ironic thing about all this...I read a study which proved that the protein in uncooked egg-whites are harder to break down than cooked egg-whites.
Moral of the story, cook your egg-whites as opposed to drinking them straight, as your body is able to utilize more of the protein.

[DSM4Life]

You know the ironic thing about all this...I read a study which proved that the protein in uncooked egg-whites are harder to break down than cooked egg-whites.
Moral of the story, cook your egg-whites as opposed to drinking them straight, as your body is able to utilize more of the protein.

Whoever thinks its good to drink raw eggs needs to stop watching movies and read a fricken book.

[T3/T4 GSR]

We are talking about pasturized egg whites though.

[C_Bino]

I always cook my egg whites. Tastes better and also fills me up much more. Drinking 8 egg whites is like drinking a glass of water. I am hungry the next minute.
I would rather still with cooking them and have a fll stomach for a couple hours.

Im dieting rightnow so I eat about 24 egg whites per day. That along with fish are my primary protein sources.

[Garbanzo Dude]

So you guys eating pure raw egg whites or the stuff out of a carton???

[Fat Guy]

Whoever thinks its good to drink raw eggs needs to stop watching movies and read a fricken book.

LOL... That's just funny.

[PT]

that video was extremly interesting goose and im glad you put it on here because i didnt know his diet was like that and now im going to have to do some research

[DSM4Life]

I always cook my egg whites. Tastes better and also fills me up much more. Drinking 8 egg whites is like drinking a glass of water. I am hungry the next minute.
I would rather still with cooking them and have a fll stomach for a couple hours.

Im dieting rightnow so I eat about 24 egg whites per day. That along with fish are my primary protein sources.

I was thinking the same thing. How can this liquid stuff fill you up

[Narkissos]

Whoever thinks its good to drink raw eggs needs to stop watching movies and read a fricken book.

I drink raw eggs.

I also use pasteurized egg whites when available.

You people really think too hard about this.

And re: "Read a book"... the 'book' which says that drinking raw eggs is 'bad' is propaganda.

They've been people on both sides of the fence for decades now.

Some would argue that reduced raw food intake is the reason we're sicker now.

Read 'that' book.

As for the salmonella poisoning bit...when's the last time (if ever) that you've heard of someone getting salmonella poisoning from a raw egg?

I'll wait on the corroborating facts.

The truth is... you're more likely to get food poisoned at McDonalds.

You know the ironic thing about all this...I read a study which proved that the protein in uncooked egg-whites are harder to break down than cooked egg-whites.

Post that study.

It's amazing that people who claim to have read 'studies' on protein availability then suggest hard-boiling/scrambling eggs... both of which make digestion harder.

Poaching is the ideal way to prepare an egg, if digestion/assimilation is the primary concern.

70% coagulation of the albumin...the process by which the fat is cooked slightly, but does not solidify... THAT is ideal for assimilation.

However, this is primarily because it was found that the egg yolk's fat in the raw form was difficult to digest for infants...and those who were convalescing.

I'm waiting for this mysterious 'anti-digestive' factor which these websites and forums talk about.

Because it can't be avidin.

Eggs are bio-available period.

Avidin: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3593216

Moral of the story, cook your egg-whites as opposed to drinking them straight, as your body is able to utilize more of the protein.

Is it now?

References please.

-CNS

[DSM4Life]

Q:

What are the health dangers of eating raw eggs?


A:

The primary risk is exposure to salmonella, a bacteria common in chicken intestines, and eggs often are contaminated through microscopic imperfections in their shells. Adequate heating is the only way to kill the bacteria. Salmonella causes a nasty vomiting/diarrhea/fever syndrome and can be fatal in vulnerable populations--the very young, very old, chronically ill and immune-suppressed.

ref http://www.wwu.edu/chw/ask_the_doc/p...2000/1046.html

2004 Salmonella Outbreak Information
Type State Victims Food Product Location
Salmonella Enteritidis Pennsylvania victims 4 Eggs, Over Easy Restaurant or Deli

http://www.pritzkerlaw.com/2004-salm...k-information/

2003 Salmonella Outbreak Information

Type State Victims Food Product Location

Salmonella Enteritidis California victims 7 Eggs Benedict; Omelet Resta

Salmonella Enteritidis Wisconsin victims 3 Eggs Prison or Jail

Salmonella Heidelberg Minnesota victims 57 Eggs; Pancakes Restaurant

http://www.pritzkerlaw.com/2003-salm...k-information/

It may not happen often but i ask is it really worth taking the risk ?

[MuscleScience]

You know the ironic thing about all this...I read a study which proved that the protein in uncooked egg-whites are harder to break down than cooked egg-whites.
Moral of the story, cook your egg-whites as opposed to drinking them straight, as your body is able to utilize more of the protein.

There is a protein in egg whites called avidin. When consumed in raw eggs it can limit the adsorption of biotin.

Also in science you can never really say something proves something else. You say something to the effect that current evidence strongly supports hypothesis X for example........ Not that anyone cares.........

[MuscleScience]

I drink raw eggs.

I also use pasteurized egg whites when available.

You people really think too hard about this.

And re: "Read a book"... the 'book' which says that drinking raw eggs is 'bad' is propaganda.

They've been people on both sides of the fence for decades now.

Some would argue that reduced raw food intake is the reason we're sicker now.

Read 'that' book.

As for the salmonella poisoning bit...when's the last time (if ever) that you've heard of someone getting salmonella poisoning from a raw egg?

I'll wait on the corroborating facts.

The truth is... you're more likely to get food poisoned at McDonalds.



Post that study.

It's amazing that people who claim to have read 'studies' on protein availability then suggest hard-boiling/scrambling eggs... both of which make digestion harder.

Poaching is the ideal way to prepare an egg, if digestion/assimilation is the primary concern.

70% coagulation of the albumin...the process by which the fat is cooked slightly, but does not solidify... THAT is ideal for assimilation.

However, this is primarily because it was found that the egg yolk's fat in the raw form was difficult to digest for infants...and those who were convalescing.

I'm waiting for this mysterious 'anti-digestive' factor which these websites and forums talk about.

Because it can't be avidin.

Eggs are bio-available period.

Avidin: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3593216




Is it now?

References please.

-CNS

Whoops missed your avidin post.

[Narkissos]

Q:

What are the health dangers of eating raw eggs?


A:

The primary risk is exposure to salmonella, a bacteria common in chicken intestines, and eggs often are contaminated through microscopic imperfections in their shells. Adequate heating is the only way to kill the bacteria. Salmonella causes a nasty vomiting/diarrhea/fever syndrome and can be fatal in vulnerable populations--the very young, very old, chronically ill and immune-suppressed.

ref http://www.wwu.edu/chw/ask_the_doc/p...2000/1046.html

2004 Salmonella Outbreak Information
Type State Victims Food Product Location
Salmonella Enteritidis Pennsylvania victims 4 Eggs, Over Easy Restaurant or Deli

http://www.pritzkerlaw.com/2004-salm...k-information/

2003 Salmonella Outbreak Information

Type State Victims Food Product Location

Salmonella Enteritidis California victims 7 Eggs Benedict; Omelet Resta

Salmonella Enteritidis Wisconsin victims 3 Eggs Prison or Jail

Salmonella Heidelberg Minnesota victims 57 Eggs; Pancakes Restaurant

http://www.pritzkerlaw.com/2003-salm...k-information/

It may not happen often but i ask is it really worth taking the risk ?

http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ed...ller_tomatoes/

Attack of the iller tomatoes

Email|Print|Single Page| Text size – + June 18, 2008

A 28-STATE outbreak of salmonella poisoning caused by raw tomatoes has exposed once again the inability of the US Food and Drug Administration to protect the public from contaminated food, adulterated medicines, and defective medical devices. A recent report by the agency's own science and technology subcommittee said the FDA's ability to ensure a safe food supply was in crisis. That has been true for years, thanks to underfunding during both the Clinton and Bush administrations. Congress must give the FDA both the funds and the regulatory authority it needs.
more stories like this




In a visit to the Globe last month, David Acheson, the FDA's associate commissioner for foods, noted that the agency gets just $600 million to regulate about 80 percent of the nation's food supply, while the US Department of Agriculture gets $1 billion to regulate the rest: meat, poultry, and eggs. Still, it has only been in recent weeks - after the first reports of the contaminated tomatoes - that the Bush administration has asked for a $275 million infusion of funding for the FDA.
The tomato poisoning, which has devastated tomato sales in many states, is an echo of last year's cases of spinach contaminated by E. coli bacteria, which had a similar impact on spinach growers. Consumers in 2007 also had to deal with tainted seafood, peanut butter, and pet food.
In addition to more funding, the FDA needs more regulatory clout. Congress is weighing a proposal to let the agency mandate recalls (not just recommend them), but the bill lacks a provision establishing a system to trace the origin of contaminated food. As costly as this would be, it would save growers the millions lost when produce rots during a poisoning scare. Such a system would also make it much easier to pinpoint ways to grow and process produce more safely. The poor state of food safety in America is enough to make a person sick.

[Narkissos]

http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ed...ller_tomatoes/

Attack of the iller tomatoes

Email|Print|Single Page| Text size – + June 18, 2008

A 28-STATE outbreak of salmonella poisoning caused by raw tomatoes has exposed once again the inability of the US Food and Drug Administration to protect the public from contaminated food, adulterated medicines, and defective medical devices. A recent report by the agency's own science and technology subcommittee said the FDA's ability to ensure a safe food supply was in crisis. That has been true for years, thanks to underfunding during both the Clinton and Bush administrations. Congress must give the FDA both the funds and the regulatory authority it needs.
more stories like this




In a visit to the Globe last month, David Acheson, the FDA's associate commissioner for foods, noted that the agency gets just $600 million to regulate about 80 percent of the nation's food supply, while the US Department of Agriculture gets $1 billion to regulate the rest: meat, poultry, and eggs. Still, it has only been in recent weeks - after the first reports of the contaminated tomatoes - that the Bush administration has asked for a $275 million infusion of funding for the FDA.
The tomato poisoning, which has devastated tomato sales in many states, is an echo of last year's cases of spinach contaminated by E. coli bacteria, which had a similar impact on spinach growers. Consumers in 2007 also had to deal with tainted seafood, peanut butter, and pet food.
In addition to more funding, the FDA needs more regulatory clout. Congress is weighing a proposal to let the agency mandate recalls (not just recommend them), but the bill lacks a provision establishing a system to trace the origin of contaminated food. As costly as this would be, it would save growers the millions lost when produce rots during a poisoning scare. Such a system would also make it much easier to pinpoint ways to grow and process produce more safely. The poor state of food safety in America is enough to make a person sick.

Note... This is a story published just 2 hours ago.

The risk of salmonella poisoning is MUCH higher from foods we consume casually: tomatoes, spinach, lettuce... etc. than it is from eggs.

-CNS

[MASTER]

I got salmonella from raw eggs recently, it was less than pleasant. If you eat eggs from vaccinated chickens, then there is not much danger, however I got ill from ones eaten in a resaurant, which no doubt used the cheapest available eggs and probably therefore were not vaccinated. Needless to say, I wont be eating raw eggs again, and really dont see the potential benefits as being a particularly strong motivator for doing it, when compared to the potential dangers. Nark is correct about food posioning from many other sources as well, unfortunately we live in a world that is all about mass production and profit, not quality.