Do you trust cops?

**40plusnewbie** · 08-13-2008, 05:01 PM

So do you? Do you trust cops?

**mex83** · 08-13-2008, 05:03 PM

casted my vote and the answer is NO

**xlxBigSexyxlx** · 08-13-2008, 05:11 PM

define trust.

**nhl1** · 08-13-2008, 05:16 PM

I don't trust anyone who stands behind a badge of US law enforcement. When it becomes a crime for a cop, agent, special agent, to lie to citizens, and not the other way around, then I might start to have some trust.

**mex83** · 08-13-2008, 05:20 PM

Originally Posted by nhl1

I don't trust anyone who stands behind a badge of US law enforcement. When it becomes a crime for a cop, agent, special agent, to lie to citizens, and not the other way around, then I might start to have some trust.

very well said....

**gixxerboy1** · 08-13-2008, 05:23 PM

as much as i would trust them in a room alone with a box of krispy kreme

**40plusnewbie** · 08-13-2008, 05:28 PM

Originally Posted by gixxerboy1

as much as i would trust them in a room alone with a box of krispy kreme

lol

**tadpoleboyy** · 08-13-2008, 06:30 PM

if you're in a situation where you find yourself needing to trust a cop, you probably shouldnt. Actually, i wouldn't trust anyone i dont personally know.

**TatMan** · 08-13-2008, 07:31 PM

These cop threads are getting out of hand.

**NATE0406** · 08-13-2008, 07:37 PM

well for all the guys that dont trust cops then when ever someone is whiping your ass or has a gun pulled on you dont bother calling the police because you dont trust them right. point blank is you guys dont trust cops because they do there job. if you are doing something illegal then if a cop bust you then why are you mad at him. you are the one that was breaking the law. and i also love how you guys preach on how cops dont always fallow the law but yet 90% of this board uses steroids . please tell me who the real hypacrits are. lol

**jerseyboy** · 08-13-2008, 07:42 PM

I trust the ones I'm friends with. It's hard these days when you see videos of blatant police brutality but alot of times the media doesn't show what provoked the brutality. Cops beating a guy on the ground handcuffed on his stomach is bullshit. A cop body checking a bicyclist is also bullshit. Then you here of the cop that was dragged for a block by some kid in a stolen car so they shoot him. Then the kids mother is screaming police brutality and oh no not my son.

**gst528i** · 08-13-2008, 07:42 PM

Originally Posted by NATE0406

well for all the guys that dont trust cops then when ever someone is whiping your ass or has a gun pulled on you dont bother calling the police because you dont trust them right. point blank is you guys dont trust cops because they do there job. if you are doing something illegal then if a cop bust you then why are you mad at him. you are the one that was breaking the law. and i also love how you guys preach on how cops dont always fallow the law but yet 90% of this board uses steroids. please tell me who the real hypacrits are. lol

It's not that we are hypocrites, it's the fact that being a cop in itself has become of hypocrite job.
They are suppose to uphold the law right? Yet they don't seem to be doing that.
We are memebers steroid board that are suppose to uphold the law right?

Why are they getting so absolute is the problem. The cops are no longer trusted because of reputation they have built for them selves.
I would love nothing more than a drug dealer or user be beaten down if he or she is aggressive. But when they are peacefully going to be arrested there should be no need for excessive force based on a cops personal opinon of race or beliefs. Just my opinion ofcourse.

**rockinred** · 08-13-2008, 07:52 PM

Everything is about one word...RESPECT....you give respect you receive it and vice versa.... I voted yes, but it boils down to that for me. It can be a fully decorated badge or a homeless person and even a type of criminal that uses juice

, it really boils down to respect given to one another in conversation.

**nhl1** · 08-13-2008, 07:56 PM

Originally Posted by NATE0406

well for all the guys that dont trust cops then when ever someone is whiping your ass or has a gun pulled on you dont bother calling the police because you dont trust them right. point blank is you guys dont trust cops because they do there job. if you are doing something illegal then if a cop bust you then why are you mad at him. you are the one that was breaking the law. and i also love how you guys preach on how cops dont always fallow the law but yet 90% of this board uses steroids. please tell me who the real hypacrits are. lol

HOW DARE you all question authority in this country? Thats not what the united states was based upon. You should pay your taxes, trust your politicians, thank your law enforcement, learn every law - all 300,000 of them, including the new 1,000 that are passed each year, and abide by those laws. Now, not only should you do that, but you should do it with a smile on your face!

Come on people, this is the united states, its the greatest country in the world! so why should you feel anything but content and satisfaction? We do not question authority here, that is UNamerican!

**gixxerboy1** · 08-13-2008, 07:56 PM

Originally Posted by NATE0406

well for all the guys that dont trust cops then when ever someone is whiping your ass or has a gun pulled on you dont bother calling the police because you dont trust them right. point blank is you guys dont trust cops because they do there job. if you are doing something illegal then if a cop bust you then why are you mad at him. you are the one that was breaking the law. and i also love how you guys preach on how cops dont always fallow the law but yet 90% of this board uses steroids. please tell me who the real hypacrits are. lol

well the only time i ever had a gun pulled on me it was by an of duty cop. Oh why because we were in a club and he thought i was hitting on his ugly wife and got mad. So he pulled out his gun in the middle of the dance floor ans stuck it in my chest. BTW, he didn't mention he was a cop until my friends who were bouncers disarmed him and pointed the gun at him. I'll take my chances with common criminals.

**spywizard** · 08-13-2008, 08:00 PM

Originally Posted by nhl1

HOW DARE you all question authority in this country? Thats not what the united states was based upon. You should pay your taxes, trust your politicians, thank your law enforcement, learn every law - all 300,000 of them, including the new 1,000 that are passed each year, and abide by those laws. Now, not only should you do that, but you should do it with a smile on your face!

Come on people, this is the united states, its the greatest country in the world! so why should you feel anything but content and satisfaction? We do not question authority here, that is UNamerican!

all of you noobs wanted change.. with a democratic party in control you are getting it...

not you specifically..

**5ifthCitizen** · 08-13-2008, 08:03 PM

i would trust them to protect me in a life/death situation cuz they're all a bunch of hot heads that just wanna increase the size of their d^cks. otherwise i wish death upon them.

**Tock** · 08-13-2008, 08:19 PM

I used to be a military cop. They're like any other professionals; some are good, others mediocre, some are bad.

Depends on the particular cop, really. Overall, I trust them, as a group, as much as I trust any other government employee.

**DSM4Life** · 08-13-2008, 08:38 PM

Most people who hate cops are criminals or have been at one time.

**NATE0406** · 08-13-2008, 08:44 PM

Originally Posted by DSM4Life

Most people who hate cops are criminals or have been at one time.

word..

**MuscleSportMag** · 08-13-2008, 09:30 PM

If you're doing what you supposed to be doing - behaving like a responsible adult - then the interaction between you and the police will be minimal. The only time that you may have to deal with them is if you have a car accident, are a crime victim, etc. Other than that, if you're not driving like an a-hole or acting up, you'll probably avoid contact with a cop and then you'll have no reason to dislike them.

And if you're argument is that they come around and harass you for "no reason," then where are you making yourself available to them to do so? If it's that street corner where all sorts of trouble seems to emanate from, then it may be time to find a better place to spend your time.

**Gears** · 08-13-2008, 10:40 PM

Originally Posted by DSM4Life

Most people who hate cops are criminals or have been at one time.

I hate cops and I don`t even have a speeding ticket to my name.

**Gears** · 08-13-2008, 10:46 PM

You also have to understand the standard for being one has gone down. Seeing as how we have 5% of the total world population and 25% of the worlds prisoners almost anyone can be a criminal. Seeing as how you are on this forum as well, I can assume a lot of you may also be into steroids . Thats a crime in the US, that makes you a criminal.

**Bojangles69** · 08-13-2008, 11:00 PM

I don't understand how people can hate cops when chances are they've never even ran into one or actually gotten to know one.
Encase you didn't know they're not just *cops, they're regular friggn people like everyone on this board.

After spending most of my youth and early adulthood running from them and then having my ass saved by them in jail, yeh I trust cops. And I know a shit load of them. Brothers a cop, bestfriends a cop, 2 neighbors are cops. (one a detective) + I got to know about 40 cops doing a long stint.
Stop hating on cops, if we didn't have them this world would be a complete F*ckn mess.

**thegodfather** · 08-13-2008, 11:12 PM

Originally Posted by MuscleSportMag

If you're doing what you supposed to be doing - behaving like a responsible adult - then the interaction between you and the police will be minimal. The only time that you may have to deal with them is if you have a car accident, are a crime victim, etc. Other than that, if you're not driving like an a-hole or acting up, you'll probably avoid contact with a cop and then you'll have no reason to dislike them.

And if you're argument is that they come around and harass you for "no reason," then where are you making yourself available to them to do so? If it's that street corner where all sorts of trouble seems to emanate from, then it may be time to find a better place to spend your time.

Thats just not true. I'll speak from personal experience on this one. When I was 17 years old, I drove a $45,000 car with 20" rims and dark tint(legal). I was pulled over multiple times per month, and asked if I had drugs, guns, weapons, knives, or hand grenades on me. Repeatedly I was asked to get out of my vehicle for a terry search. In most of those instances I was pulled over for absolutely no motor vehicle infraction of any kind. This was clear and blatant profiling. I was abiding by all traffic laws, and minding my own business, yet I had repeated run ins with the law. The argument that if you abide by the law you will have no run ins with police officers is not infallable as I have proven from PERSONAL experience. This was a case of blatant profiling.

**Voice of Reason** · 08-13-2008, 11:12 PM

I trust cops... One time there was a cop, a man struggling with his marriage, got trapped in a high-rise building by a gang of "terrorists" planning a major robbery. The terrorists were holding me and many of the employees hostage, including his wife. This New York City police officer, battled the terrorists, while arguing with the deputy LAPD chief, who was leading dozens of LAPD officers who were unable to do much to stop the terrorists. Eventually, this cop managed to save me and most of the hostages while killing most of the terrorists and thwarting their plan. That cop was awesome I'll never forget him.

**Bojangles69** · 08-13-2008, 11:20 PM

Originally Posted by thegodfather

Thats just not true. I'll speak from personal experience on this one. When I was 17 years old, I drove a $45,000 car with 20" rims and dark tint(legal). I was pulled over multiple times per month, and asked if I had drugs, guns, weapons, knives, or hand grenades on me. Repeatedly I was asked to get out of my vehicle for a terry search. In most of those instances I was pulled over for absolutely no motor vehicle infraction of any kind. This was clear and blatant profiling. I was abiding by all traffic laws, and minding my own business, yet I had repeated run ins with the law. The argument that if you abide by the law you will have no run ins with police officers is not infallable as I have proven from PERSONAL experience. This was a case of blatant profiling.

"Profiling"?

Because of window tint and rims?!! ahaaaa

**MR_T** · 08-14-2008, 12:10 AM

Im black, young 23 and drive a $40k audi.. I get pulled over once or twice a month usually for bullshit and always end up being let off with a warning after they check the registration, does that piss me off yeah. Also glad I live in a country where I dont have to worry about people jackin my hard earned pride and joy because of asshole cops who have nothing better to do than harasse people in nice cars.. so a little of both

**DesiBoy** · 08-14-2008, 12:23 AM

I don't hate cops - not at all but am really upset of how some of them are. I have a lot of friends that are cops and some of them actually are doing staff against the law when they are not on duty and of course they get away with it. But when I got pulled over 4 years ago with 100mph on my bike I received a ticket and not only a speeding ticket I also got a reckless driving ticket(also did 100 hours community service, 6 months probation, drug tests). By the way that was the first time I got pulled over and my first time going over 100mph. So I don't hate cops but they(most of them) are not perfect at all, not even close to it. Once a cop told me that all the tickets are all about the money, that's what justice is - he said to me. I can talk all day long about how cops are and what they've done that is bad for the simple fact cause I know a lot of them. So please don't tell me I should trust them. Peace.

**Amorphic** · 08-14-2008, 12:45 AM

i respect the honest cops that are doing their job to protect us and keep us safe but i cant stand the ones that do it for the ego and power trip

**bd50** · 08-14-2008, 12:53 AM

Originally Posted by MuscleSportMag

If you're doing what you supposed to be doing - behaving like a responsible adult - then the interaction between you and the police will be minimal. The only time that you may have to deal with them is if you have a car accident, are a crime victim, etc. Other than that, if you're not driving like an a-hole or acting up, you'll probably avoid contact with a cop and then you'll have no reason to dislike them.

And if you're argument is that they come around and harass you for "no reason," then where are you making yourself available to them to do so? If it's that street corner where all sorts of trouble seems to emanate from, then it may be time to find a better place to spend your time.

x2

**bd50** · 08-14-2008, 12:55 AM

Originally Posted by DesiBoy

I don't hate cops - not at all but am really upset of how some of them are. I have a lot of friends that are cops and some of them actually are doing staff against the law when they are not on duty and of course they get away with it. But when I got pulled over 4 years ago with 100mph on my bike I received a ticket and not only a speeding ticket I also got a reckless driving ticket(also did 100 hours community service, 6 months probation, drug tests). By the way that was the first time I got pulled over and my first time going over 100mph. So I don't hate cops but they(most of them) are not perfect at all, not even close to it. Once a cop told me that all the tickets are all about the money, that's what justice is - he said to me. I can talk all day long about how cops are and what they've done that is bad for the simple fact cause I know a lot of them. So please don't tell me I should trust them. Peace.

cops dont get a dime from tickets they write. it all gets split between the city, county, state, dmv.

now if they go to court on a ticket that is being contested, then they make overtime.

**Bojangles69** · 08-14-2008, 01:08 AM

Originally Posted by Amorphic

i respect the honest cops that are doing their job to protect us and keep us safe but i cant stand the ones that do it for the ego and power trip

I have to say Amo you summed it up exactly like I wanted to. Some are good and some are bad, not entirely much we can do about it.

**paulzane** · 08-14-2008, 01:45 AM

Well it is just the same in the UK now-a-days. There is so much shit going on about petty crime and yobs, so the major stuff gets ignored. I could go on and on about what is happening here but I do not have all day. Just an example of the stupidity from today:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-kill-him.html

Inspector = Lieutenant in US police

**5ifthCitizen** · 08-14-2008, 01:50 AM

Originally Posted by bd50

cops dont get a dime from tickets they write. it all gets split between the city, county, state, dmv.

now if they go to court on a ticket that is being contested, then they make overtime.

the end

**Fat Guy** · 08-14-2008, 02:24 AM

I have mixed feelings about cops….

On one hand they are the thin blue line that keeps civilization civil. And this is the whole point of their job. On the other hand cops are a representation of the powers that be and have throughout history been used as oppressors of the underclass.

When I was young I thought it would be a cool job, but now that I am older and wiser I would not or could not do their job. I could not be objective in a child molestation case and I might accidentally hurt the suspect or in a domestic violence situation I would have a tough time staying cool calm and collected. Plain and simple being a cop is tough.

However, growing up in a poor neighborhood and seeing how cops harass poor people is ill to say the least. I seen kids being harassed just for walking down the street and doing nothing wrong but except for being the wrong color or spoke the wrong language and the cops treating them as convicts. I seen cops sit and wait in corners to pull people over and usually it is some poor guy who has the crappy looking car because he can not afford any better. I wonder if cops sit in the more affluent neighborhoods as much pulling over the really expensive cars and citing those people? I suppose they don’t unless it is driven by a minority or a kid.

My point here is that being a police officer has inherently oppressing qualities included in the job which is another reason why I would not make a good cop. I don’t view victimless crimes (prostitution, gambling, drug use, etc.) as crimes and think that they are crimes only to impose power of the cotemporary religious moral will and current political views which in essence just makes cops tools for the oligarchy that really runs the U.S.

There is a reason that police officers only need a limited education (high school diploma) to become officers. For a job like this you would think that you at least should have a bachelor’s degree for the complexity of the job but like the military law enforcement does not really want their people to think and analyze but to only follow and obey. Like the military it is hierarchy with only top down militant type management which in essence makes everyone in this organization a cog in an overall machine of political will.

In conclusion I agree that we need cops to maintain society at large and that is a hell of a tough job. I would not want to be one. In general I don’t think cops are ill in character but I think their job carries inherent natural oppressing features that affect generally the underclass and minorities and this is due to the power structure of the U.S. With this said I don’t think cops are very high up on the intellectual food chain and that it is done by design because in order to enforce political will there needs to be no criticism by the enforcers but just to obey resulting in them just being political tools.

Do I trust cops? I trust cops to take out the human garbage that trolls society. However when it comes to deep serious issues and policies I think cops are limited and generally act in a limited capacity. And you can bet your sweet a$$ they are going to be the first ones I call when I need help though…

**Amorphic** · 08-14-2008, 02:27 AM

Originally Posted by Fat Guy

I have mixed feelings about cops….

On one hand they are the thin blue line that keeps civilization civil. And this is the whole point of their job. On the other hand cops are a representation of the powers that be and have throughout history been used as oppressors of the underclass.

When I was young I thought it would be a cool job, but now that I am older and wiser I would not or could not do their job. I could not be objective in a child molestation case and I might accidentally hurt the suspect or in a domestic violence situation I would have a tough time staying cool calm and collected. Plain and simple being a cop is tough.

However, growing up in a poor neighborhood and seeing how cops harass poor people is ill to say the least. I seen kids being harassed just for walking down the street and doing nothing wrong but except for being the wrong color or spoke the wrong language and the cops treating them as convicts. I seen cops sit and wait in corners to pull people over and usually it is some poor guy who has the crappy looking car because he can not afford any better. I wonder if cops sit in the more affluent neighborhoods pulling over the really expensive cars and citing those people? I suppose they don’t unless it is driven by a minority or a kid.

My point here is that being a police officer has inherently oppressing qualities included in the job which is another reason why I would not make a good cop. I don’t view victimless crimes (prostitution, gambling, drug use, etc.) as crimes and think that they are crimes only to impose power of the cotemporary religious moral will and current political views which in essence just makes cops tools for the oligarchy that really runs the U.S.

There is a reason that police officers only need a limited education (high school diploma) to become officers. For a job like this you would think that you at least should have a bachelor’s degree for the complexity of the job but like the military law enforcement does not really want their people to think and analyze but to only follow and obey. Like the military it is hierarchy with only top down militant type management which in essence makes everyone in this organization a cog in an overall machine of political will.

In conclusion I agree that we need cops to maintain society at large and that is a hell of a tough job. I would not want to be one. In general I don’t think cops are ill in character but I think their job carries inherent natural oppressing features that affect generally the underclass and minorities and this is due to the power structure of the U.S. With this said I don’t think cops are very high up on the intellectual food chain and that it done by design because in order to enforce political will there needs to be no criticism by the enforcers but just to obey resulting in them just being political tools.

Do I trust cops? I trust cops to take out the human garbage that trolls society. However when it comes to deep serious issues and policies I think cops are limited and generally act in a limited capacity. And you can bet your sweet a$$ they are going to be the first ones I call when I need help though…

well said

**40plusnewbie** · 08-14-2008, 04:02 AM

Originally Posted by rockinred

Everything is about one word...RESPECT....you give respect you receive it and vice versa.... I voted yes, but it boils down to that for me. It can be a fully decorated badge or a homeless person and even a type of criminal that uses juice

, it really boils down to respect given to one another in conversation.

Cops are supposed to behave respectfully REGARDLESS my friend. Just like a drug counselor is supposed to behave respectfully even if the addict/patient is going off calling him alls sorts of names, etc. It is called PROFESSIONALISM. Same thing with social workers, doctors, nurses, etc. When one of their customers starts running his mouth like a dickhead it is THEIR RESPONSIBILITY TO BEHAVE PROFESSIONALLY. It's not their job to take out a weapon and beat them.

**40plusnewbie** · 08-14-2008, 04:07 AM

Originally Posted by MuscleSportMag

If you're doing what you supposed to be doing - behaving like a responsible adult - then the interaction between you and the police will be minimal. The only time that you may have to deal with them is if you have a car accident, are a crime victim, etc. Other than that, if you're not driving like an a-hole or acting up, you'll probably avoid contact with a cop and then you'll have no reason to dislike them.

And if you're argument is that they come around and harass you for "no reason," then where are you making yourself available to them to do so? If it's that street corner where all sorts of trouble seems to emanate from, then it may be time to find a better place to spend your time.

Let me see if I can sum up your post correctly.

'it's never the cops fault'

**40plusnewbie** · 08-14-2008, 04:14 AM

Originally Posted by Amorphic

i respect the honest cops that are doing their job to protect us and keep us safe but i cant stand the ones that do it for the ego and power trip

Now tell me what happens when the 'honest ones that are doing their job to protect us' do when they see one of their fellow officers kick and punch a handcuffed suspect that is not attacking them. Do they report to IA at 9:00AM the following morning to file a report? Or.......

So you can't really even trust the honest ones unless you are alone with them. They won't beat anyone when it is not necessary but they will keep their mouth shut when any other cop does it.

Nice system. Makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside.

Citizen oversight committees for all police departments!