I hate this country....

[Hoggage_54]

Boys, boys.. lol...

Yeah these guys need to calm down LOL

[jimmyinkedup]

As I sit in my room thinkin about all the political fat cats sittin on their asses. Not thinkin about you or me, just thinkin about how they can take our money and throw us in the streets. I wonder why.

and we look no farther than ourselves to blame for that...how involved is evcryone involved on politica at the local level? What are you (and I) doing to change that...thats what we as a country need to do ..our power is in the democracy the US was founded on ..unfortunbately too many people have settled and resided themselves to acceptance rather than getting up off their ass and evoking,sponsering change.

[smokethedays]

dude the very process that afforded you the opportunity at becoming a citizen is the one you are saying is too difficult and wrong. You said racism is rampant ...you said its like being a slave...IMO that would suck...but i guess it doesnt suck as bad as returning to your coutry or origin huh?I t's all cost benfits isnt it? You took this thread ...twisted the intent and suited it to your personal opinions....if anyone should be in favor of legal immigration it should be a person who has benefitted from it like yourself.., but instead you rant and rave making illogical irrational analogies between legal immigration and slavery..if u havent benefited and it is so bad...you have the option to legally return elsewhere ...exercise it. ...and I need a life...you IMO need a clue bro. The freedoms and benfits that brought you here in the first place would totally collapse with unrestricted unlimited immigration...anyone with any common sense could realize that.

The way i compare illegal immigration to slavery is because when the wole immigration issue exploded few years ago, many people said openely that they do need illegal immigrants to remain here to do the jobs that no one would do for the price paid.
Therefore, illegal immigrants were treated as such, they got no say in their future, their bosses are 'fighting' for them to stay, and some govrmt officials wants them out.

That is all i trying to say in that regard.

Iam not supporting illegal immigration, iam against criminalizing it and make those illegal immigrants sound like a bunch of savage cave people.

[thegodfather]

I wish I was a liberal. Then I would not have to back up anything I said with statistics, facts, proof, evidence, logic, or even the slightest bit of common sense. I could wildly advocate social policies which would have no feasable economic way of sustaining themselves for any substantative amount of time (50+ years, i.e.-communism/socialism), and I could advocate for policies that made everyone "feel good" when we talked about them, we could all sit round the camp fire and sing Koom-bay-ya whilst we pray to 'Rah' for a way to fund all of our warm and fuzzy social wellfare programs for the 5.5 billion impoverished people on the Earth...

[Tock]

Thats what Im talkng about, even if its illegal, whats wrong with looking for a better living opportunity for ur family?

Nothing, IMHO.
But, as far as general principles go, if a population is unable to support itself, then a reasonable solution would be to have fewer babies.
The Pope made a (stupid) comment a few years ago while visiting Mexico. He said that poor people would be assurred special blessings in Heaven if they had more babies. He went on to say that it was the responsibility of the industrialized world to feed those hungry babies if their parents couldn't.

That's a prize-winning turd of a thought right there. IMHO, anyone who wants a baby has the obligation to take care of it. If millions of Mexicans are born into poverty, that doesn't automatically mean that they are entitled to move to Texas, and expect me to pay their bills.

Now, if the Pope wants to pay their bills, that's fine with me. He's richer than I am, and he has a big house. Let 'em all move to Italy.

some people just can't gain legal access to the US. Its so bad fake visas are sold for substantial amount of money.

The people of the USA have the right to choose who to allow in and who to keep out. Every country does. Poverty does not change that.

the f-ed thing that this is coming from you who was crying about prop. 8 and human rights bull shit.
and argued w me for 2 hrs over why gay people should be able to get married

No what im saying is that not gay people, just basic f-ing humans should have a chance to EAT.

I'm all for everyone eating on a regular basis. I'm willing to help folks out who need a hand, but I'm not willing to fix the problems of people who don't know when to stop having babies.

And . . . not that I'm suggesting that entire populations be forced to change their sexual orientation from straight to gay, but if more people on this planet were gay, there'd be a whole lot fewer hungry babies being born, and fewer parents of hungry babies who needed to enter the USA illegally . . .

[Tock]

Iam not supporting illegal immigration, iam against criminalizing it and make those illegal immigrants sound like a bunch of savage cave people.

Ok, but who pays for their expenses?

[smokethedays]

Nothing, IMHO.
But, as far as general principles go, if a population is unable to support itself, then a reasonable solution would be to have fewer babies.
The Pope made a (stupid) comment a few years ago while visiting Mexico. He said that poor people would be assurred special blessings in Heaven if they had more babies. He went on to say that it was the responsibility of the industrialized world to feed those hungry babies if their parents couldn't.

That's a prize-winning turd of a thought right there. IMHO, anyone who wants a baby has the obligation to take care of it. If millions of Mexicans are born into poverty, that doesn't automatically mean that they are entitled to move to Texas, and expect me to pay their bills.

Now, if the Pope wants to pay their bills, that's fine with me. He's richer than I am, and he has a big house. Let 'em all move to Italy.





The people of the USA have the right to choose who to allow in and who to keep out. Every country does. Poverty does not change that.

Thats given, like i said earlier, im not advocating for illegal immigration, im just saying they should recieve a better treatment than criminals, they are simly not criminals.




I'm all for everyone eating on a regular basis. I'm willing to help folks out who need a hand, but I'm not willing to fix the problems of people who don't know when to stop having babies.

And . . . not that I'm suggesting that entire populations be forced to change their sexual orientation from straight to gay, but if more people on this planet were gay, there'd be a whole lot fewer hungry babies being born, and fewer parents of hungry babies who needed to enter the USA illegally . . .

[rockinred]

damn, i thought the most controversial threads were the religious ones...

this one blew up quick and politics take the cake for most controversial, hands down.

[Tock]

The way i compare illegal immigration to slavery is because when the wole immigration issue exploded few years ago, many people said openely that they do need illegal immigrants to remain here to do the jobs that no one would do for the price paid.

Ya, I remember that. I thought the people saying that were dumber than a 2-pound dumbell. Here in Texas, we've got chicken and beef processors, laundry processors, homebuilders, landscapers, etc, that shamelessly echo those sentiments. Greed, the need for more profit, motivate those statements, not principle.

IMHO, Americans will pick cotton or do laundry or build houses or slop hogs when the hourly wage gets high enough. And Americans will pay higher prices for "stuff" when it becomes necessary, or else we'll do without, or get something else.

[jimmyinkedup]

^^^ nothing like a depression to lower the elevated egotistical standards of many of the american people.... we may find out....people will cut grass and do laundry then ..mark my words....and for wages they swore they would never work for....

[Tock]

damn, i thought the most controversial threads were the religious ones...

this one blew up quick and politics take the cake for most controversial, hands down.

Controversy is fine. Disagreement is fine. Spirited discussion is fine. Actually, it's a good thing, IMHO. And here, on this forum, we've got a golden opportunity to learn how to disagree without being disagreeable.

Have your say. Listen to other's opinions, if you like. But regardless of what you have to say, be it right or wrong, you're being unreasonable if you think everyone else has to think the same way as you.

[HORSE~]

not that I'm suggesting that entire populations be forced to change their sexual orientation from straight to gay, but if more people on this planet were gay, there'd be a whole lot fewer hungry babies being born, and fewer parents of hungry babies who needed to enter the USA illegally . . .

^^LOL dude I laughed my ass of at this comment!!!!^^

[Sir Lifts-a-lot]

smokethedays are you or were you in this country illegally?

When my family first came to America half were let in and half were sent back. They were pissed and some died but they did not fight the system. America has rules and it's complete crap that the illeglas don't have to abide by them.... Hell, f the rules, I'm pissed that those scum bags don't have to pay taxes when I do.

If you're a US Citizen then I will shake your hand, if you are here illegally sucking off of the US tit then there is the door.

[Tock]

Ya, I thought that was a good line, too .. . .

Thats given, like i said earlier, im not advocating for illegal immigration, im just saying they should recieve a better treatment than criminals, they are simly not criminals.

Certainly. There's no reason to abuse illegal immigrants.
All that should be done when one is discovered is they should be returned to where they came from, unless, of course, there's some reason why they should be given asylum.

Here in Texas, as I've discovered first hand, when an illegal immigrant crashes into your car, and he does not have either insurance or a drivers license, and he cannot pay for the damage he caused, when you call the police, they'll just let him go. It turns out that there are so many illegal immigrants being held on similar situations that the federal law enforcement facilities are completely full, and they can't take any more.

4 illegal immigrants have crashed into my cars/trucks over the past 15 years, and none of them have paid the repair bills. Added to that, here in Texas, insurance companies charge an extra 30-50% for uninsured motorists. Most of that is from illegal immigrants.
So, between that and the extra tax $$$ I have to pay to support the public hospital that spends most of its time giving free maternity services to illegal aliens (including millions of $$$ for the occasional pre-mature babies), you'll understand that IMHO, I'm paying for a lot more than what I'm getting back in return.

Maybe the Mexican government could reimburse the Dallas County public hospital for the health services we've been giving their citizens. But they refuse to do so. Instead, they sell us oil for the going OPEC rate. You'd think the US and Mexico could work some kind of a deal, but . . .

Anyway, welcome to the USA. I wish you every success for yourself and your family. If you find yourself in the need of intimate companionship before you are ready to assume the responsibilities of parenthood, keep in mind that intimate companionship with gay people very seldom result in pregnancy.

Just a thought . . .

[sizerp]

I wish I was a liberal. Then I would not have to back up anything I said with statistics, facts, proof, evidence, logic, or even the slightest bit of common sense. I could wildly advocate social policies which would have no feasable economic way of sustaining themselves for any substantative amount of time (50+ years, i.e.-communism/socialism), and I could advocate for policies that made everyone "feel good" when we talked about them, we could all sit round the camp fire and sing Koom-bay-ya whilst we pray to 'Rah' for a way to fund all of our warm and fuzzy social wellfare programs for the 5.5 billion impoverished people on the Earth...

How do statistics provide solutions to any problem?
China was once the world's greatest power and they've had a communism rule for around 4000 years. Who says they can't come back? Also, where's the harm in expanding our minds, and ideas? Maybe some new solutions can be afforded with such expansion. I do agree with spouting feel-good ideas and ignoring facts.

[smokethedays]

Ya, I thought that was a good line, too .. . .



[/u][/b]

Certainly. There's no reason to abuse illegal immigrants.
All that should be done when one is discovered is they should be returned to where they came from, unless, of course, there's some reason why they should be given asylum.

Here in Texas, as I've discovered first hand, when an illegal immigrant crashes into your car, and he does not have either insurance or a drivers license, and he cannot pay for the damage he caused, when you call the police, they'll just let him go. It turns out that there are so many illegal immigrants being held on similar situations that the federal law enforcement facilities are completely full, and they can't take any more.

4 illegal immigrants have crashed into my cars/trucks over the past 15 years, and none of them have paid the repair bills. Added to that, here in Texas, insurance companies charge an extra 30-50% for uninsured motorists. Most of that is from illegal immigrants.
So, between that and the extra tax $$$ I have to pay to support the public hospital that spends most of its time giving free maternity services to illegal aliens (including millions of $$$ for the occasional pre-mature babies), you'll understand that IMHO, I'm paying for a lot more than what I'm getting back in return.

Maybe the Mexican government could reimburse the Dallas County public hospital for the health services we've been giving their citizens. But they refuse to do so. Instead, they sell us oil for the going OPEC rate. You'd think the US and Mexico could work some kind of a deal, but . . .

Anyway, welcome to the USA. I wish you every success for yourself and your family. If you find yourself in the need of intimate companionship before you are ready to assume the responsibilities of parenthood, keep in mind that intimate companionship with gay people very seldom result in pregnancy.

Just a thought . . .

[Tock]

^^LOL dude I laughed my ass of at this comment!!!!^^

Nevertheless, it true.

In a lot of Arab countries, even though Islam frowns on gay sex, they frown even more on boys & girls being alone & maybe having sex. So lots of boys & boys (and sometimes men & boys) have sex on the sly, and everyone knows what's going on, but nobody talks about it. The result--no major problems with unwanted pregnancy.

Not that I'm advocating such a thing . . . I'm just saying that sometime there are "unexplored possibilities" for certain, um, situations . . .

[Bojangles69]

Yeh USA is fvcked up, our women still make up for it though.

[sizerp]

Nevertheless, it true.

In a lot of Arab countries, even though Islam frowns on gay sex, they frown even more on boys & girls being alone & maybe having sex. So lots of boys & boys (and sometimes men & boys) have sex on the sly, and everyone knows what's going on, but nobody talks about it. The result--no major problems with unwanted pregnancy.

Not that I'm advocating such a thing . . . I'm just saying that sometime there are "unexplored possibilities" for certain, um, situations . . .

If everyone was gay, we'd all be gay, is what you're saying?

[Bojangles69]

After my post I just realized why DSM made this thread. LMAO!

[sizerp]

After my post I just realized why DSM made this thread. LMAO!

LOL.

[binder]

Dude, grow up. I know so many great people who are not citizens, and they are far more worthy than half of the people who ARE citizens in America. It's people like you who bitch and moan, but do nothing to better our society, that bring us down and make us embarrassing. You can blame the law and government all you want, and by making this statement, you're just echoing a universal capriciousness.

so apparently you don't understand what this does to our society. If they are such wonderful people you know then why don't they go through the proper routes to become a citizen? Many people do it the legal way just fine.

So have you ever worked in a hospital or know anything about healthcare? Well since both my parents are doctors and i work in a hospital (and soon to be a doctor) I know firsthand how this hoses our economy. When they come into the ER and receive care on our public welfare system do you know who pays the bill? nobody, so my parents make zero money. If they happen to get it pulled off to get the government to pay for their bills (which usually is 10% of what is billed out) then we the LAW ABIDING TAX PAYERS pay for their healthcare. Hmm....i'm not sure about you but my health insurance is quite expensive every month. So here is a person that doesn't pay taxes and doesn't contribute to our society and they get free healthcare. How fair is that? If you can say that is fair and you don't mind paying for someone abusing the system then you need to get a job in healthcare and let it drain on your income a little while then reconsider it.

[Bojangles69]

If everyone was gay, we'd all be gay, is what you're saying?

I have a theory I discussed with a gay friend once about the fact that everyone is actually gay.

My theory is like this:

Bisexual ------------------> Gay

1% -----------------------> 100%

Like DSM could be around 82%
The average straight guy around 14% maybe. Its much more complicated but the grounds is that everyone has bisexual impulses at times (which is inherently gay in nature), just some may have it twice in their life .00018% gay and another person twice a week, 60%gay.
Which is also the reason guys complain when they watch a porno and the guy has a small dick and the chick is smoking hot.

So according to my theory everyone is in fact gay. Except me because I made the theory.

[Tock]

If everyone was gay, we'd all be gay, is what you're saying?

No.

What I'm saying is,

If everyone was gay, I'd be happy.




Let me rephrase that . . .

If everyone was gay, I'd be VERY happy.

[Bojangles69]

No.

What I'm saying is,

If everyone was gay, I'd be happy.




Let me rephrase that . . .

If everyone was gay, I'd be VERY happy.

Everyone IS gay, including you, read my theory. =]

[sizerp]

No.

What I'm saying is,

If everyone was gay, I'd be happy.




Let me rephrase that . . .

If everyone was gay, I'd be VERY happy.

Same difference.

[smokethedays]

I have a theory I discussed with a gay friend once about the fact that everyone is actually gay.

My theory is like this:

Bisexual ------------------> Gay

1% -----------------------> 100%

Like DSM could be around 82%
The average straight guy around 14% maybe. Its much more complicated but the grounds is that everyone has bisexual impulses at times (which is inherently gay in nature), just some may have it twice in their life .00018% gay and another person twice a week, 60%gay.
Which is also the reason guys complain when they watch a porno and the guy has a small dick and the chick is smoking hot.

So according to my theory everyone is in fact gay. Except me because I made the theory.

WTF?

[sizerp]

so apparently you don't understand what this does to our society. If they are such wonderful people you know then why don't they go through the proper routes to become a citizen? Many people do it the legal way just fine.

So have you ever worked in a hospital or know anything about healthcare? Well since both my parents are doctors and i work in a hospital (and soon to be a doctor) I know firsthand how this hoses our economy. When they come into the ER and receive care on our public welfare system do you know who pays the bill? nobody, so my parents make zero money. If they happen to get it pulled off to get the government to pay for their bills (which usually is 10% of what is billed out) then we the LAW ABIDING TAX PAYERS pay for their healthcare. Hmm....i'm not sure about you but my health insurance is quite expensive every month. So here is a person that doesn't pay taxes and doesn't contribute to our society and they get free healthcare. How fair is that? If you can say that is fair and you don't mind paying for someone abusing the system then you need to get a job in healthcare and let it drain on your income a little while then reconsider it.

You obviously didn't read this whole thread, as this has already been discussed and agreed upon more than once lol. Peeps read before you post please.
I DO know people who are illegal, and have gone through the steps to become legal. I am not saying I support illegal immigration, merely that everyone in this country is complaining about it and no one is doing anything about it. It's been a problem for decades. I am sick of hearing about it. It's so obvious we should just fix it once and for all. We know it's a problem and we let them have that free healthcare and get away with crashing into peep's cars. It's the price we pay for not enforcing our own laws and living in this free country.

[Bojangles69]

WTF?

[Bojangles69]

Why can't we just put a huge electric fence around the whole country? Like the one in jurassic park..

[sizerp]

WTF?

I don't quite grasp your gay theory either.

[gst528i]

Why can't we just put a huge electric fence around the whole country? Like the one in jurassic park..

WE WOULD NEED TO INVADE ANOTHER COUNTRY TO POWER IT LOL

[sizerp]

WE WOULD NEED TO INVADE ANOTHER COUNTRY TO POWER IT LOL

Lets invade Mexico this time.

[Tock]

Originally Posted by smokethedays
Iam not supporting illegal immigration, iam against criminalizing it and make those illegal immigrants sound like a bunch of savage cave people.

Ok, but who pays for their expenses?

Not to beat a dead horse, but this is gonna be the ultimate crux of the matter. I don't know about folks in other countries, but Americans don't much care for dealing with a lot of illegal immigrants that are gonna end up costing everybody a lot of $$$.

When George Bush got elected the first time, I seriously looked into emigrating to Canada. They have rules regulations, like most countries, but I didn't meet their requirements. So I'm still in Texas, and now, GW Bush is gonna move into a fancy mansion about 5 miles away from where I live--ugh.
If I was a bit more fluent in French or had a relative or two living up there, or had a couple more million $$$, I'd score enough points on their system. I tried claiming asylum when Bush took office, and while they were sympathetic to my plight, they told me to call back when I could show them scars and bruises.

Not that that has anything to do with the point I was trying to make . . . But, as they say, not only can't beggars be choosers, but foreigners can't (or shouldn't, anyway) demand Americans pay their way in the USA. So, the question remains . . .

Who's gonna pay for their expenses?

[smokethedays]

Lets invade Mexico this time.

For cheap labor force

[Tock]

Is this what you're talking about?
http://www.kinseyinstitute.org/resou...k-hhscale.html

Males do not represent two discrete populations, heterosexual and homosexual. The world is not to be divided into sheep and goats. It is a fundamental of taxonomy that nature rarely deals with discrete categories... The living world is a continuum in each and every one of its aspects, (p 639).

While emphasizing the continuity of the gradations between exclusively heterosexual and exclusively homosexual histories, it has seemed desirable to develop some sort of classification which could be based on the relative amounts of heterosexual and homosexual experience or response in each history... An individual may be assigned a position on this scale, for each period in his life.... A seven-point scale comes nearer to showing the many gradations that actually exist, (pp. 639, 656)

Kinsey, et al. (1948). Sexual Behavior in the Human Male.

I have a theory I discussed with a gay friend once about the fact that everyone is actually gay.

My theory is like this:

Bisexual ------------------> Gay

1% -----------------------> 100%

Like DSM could be around 82%
The average straight guy around 14% maybe. Its much more complicated but the grounds is that everyone has bisexual impulses at times (which is inherently gay in nature), just some may have it twice in their life .00018% gay and another person twice a week, 60%gay.
Which is also the reason guys complain when they watch a porno and the guy has a small dick and the chick is smoking hot.

So according to my theory everyone is in fact gay. Except me because I made the theory.

[Bojangles69]

I don't quite grasp your gay theory either.

When Einstein made his theory of relativity there were prob a lot of people who were like "wtf" back then too.

Some day in the distant future (most likely after you have passed away) humans may evolve the intellectual capacity to understand things that they now struggle with (like we did with sticks & stones 3 millions years ago)


But don't feel inferior or inadequate if you don't get it at this point.



ok?

[Bojangles69]

Oh and if we can't do an electric fence can't we just have like heat seaking missles that have illegal immigrant sensors on them or something?

I mean if we can stop foreign missles from coming into the country a little short immigrant or 20 shouldn't be difficult.

[sizerp]

When Einstein made his theory of relativity there were prob a lot of people who were like "wtf" back then too.

Some day in the distant future (most likely after you have passed away) humans may evolve the intellectual capacity to understand things that they now struggle with (like we did with sticks & stones 3 millions years ago)


But don't feel inferior or inadequate if you don't get it at this point.



ok?

Ok well Einstein's theories were spurned from a couple hundred years of bright-minds, since say Newton, who in turn compiled his empirical data from a hundred years or so of thinking and ideas from Aristotle and Copernicus, Bacon, etc... etc... Machiavelli was also considered crazy for his ideas about government back in the day. Today's Machiavelli would be like going up to Obama and saying Democracy is shit, terrorism rules. What I said was more of a joke, about not "grasping" your theory, since I do not consider myself gay. I doubt anyone in the near future will be able to top Einstein, for relativities sake. Maybe around 2060 or so... and I'll still be alive then, thanks to SARMS and Melanotan II.

Ok so 2060 is pretty near. Maybe 2260.

[Dobie-BOY]

Reading local story.....

• An illegal immigrant comes into the US : System fails
• He gets a job : System fails again
• Even given the right to drive a company truck with no license : fails
• He rents an apt : System fails again
• He gets pulled over by police , gets a ticket then let go even though they know he is a immigrant (only federal authorites get involve with illigals): System fails again

Illegal immigrant kills a American while drinking and driving. (he has no rights at this point)

SYSTEM NOW KICKS IN.

Right after he kills someone, now he has ALL the rights as a US citizen. All it took to get them was to murder a innocent person. Now he gets appointed a public defender and it continues from there like anyone else.

Thank you United States of Embarrassment.

Ya, the system is definately flawwed. No doubt about it, but it is still the best in the world. I know some will argue that point. I think that we should be sensitive towards illegal immigrants though. How can we criticize a man for trying to provide a better life for himself and his family. There is definately a problem with illegal immigration though. For instance, the other day I was at wal mart and there was a Mexican couple standing in front of me. They had 4 or 5 kids. Ranging in age from 3 months to 5 years old. What pissed me off abou tit was that they were paying for their baby formula with welfare checks. My problem here is they are not only breaking our laws, which I cant say that bothers me when it is to create a better life for themselves, but they are completely abusing us tax paying citizens. Whats worse was that a few aisles over was another couple with several kids that could not even speak english doing the exact same thing. Really got me pissed.