Abortion

[mho]

Because of what you said about not putting faith in scientific method. Science is a continualy evolving method, there is no such thing as scientific fact, things just get scientifically verified.

But Science has opened up the worlds eyes a Hell of a lot more than religion has.

I'll place my faith in science over the Bibles.

I meant I wouldn't put my faith in carbon dating. There is absolutely no way to prove that the method is accurate in prehistoric cases. That just means when I hear someone make a statement like "this is x million years old" and try to pass it off as proven fact, I'll know their full of shit.

Most programs and books are good about using the words "scientists estimate", which is proper. Some sources state their estimates with certainty, and that is misleading for a lot of people.

I'm sure you can agree that there is currently no possible way to determine whether carbon 14 dating is accurate. After all, fossils don't come with date stamps.

And please, don't accuse me of being religious just because I don't agree with someone's theory. It's arrogant of you and it's insulting to me. I don't have a problem with religion, people can do whatever they want to. It's just not my crowd.

[xlxBigSexyxlx]

Lets make it racist too!

[D7M]

Lets make it racist too!

yes!

and political!

[mho]

it was inevitable that this thread would turn religious

It hasn't turned that way yet. There's a few people trying to swing it that way, but I don't think there's anyone on the other side of the fence in here yet.

[xlxBigSexyxlx]

Casting doubt on the accuracy of radiocarbon dating is a time-worn tactic of the young-earth creationists, who seem to think that if they can prove some holes exist in the otherwise well-supported theories of evolution and geology, we will all have to believe that their nonsense is correct and the world really is only 6000 years old.

[xlxBigSexyxlx]

yes!

and political!

lol!

[countrybhoy]

this aint religious or political .


it just right and wrong . killing babies is wrong no matter what what you think of it . unless your a sick git

[xlxBigSexyxlx]

this aint religious or political .


it just right and wrong . killing babies is wrong no matter what what you think of it . unless your a sick git

Your flag offends me.

Reported. You racist prick!

[countrybhoy]

yep im racist . big deal . oh GOD BLESS TEXAS .

[xlxBigSexyxlx]

yep im racist . big deal . oh GOD BLESS TEXAS .

Did you say God?
So now its religious.


Reported. God offends me.

[countrybhoy]

Go for a third . Hell .devil .


I like you your funny .

[xlxBigSexyxlx]

hahaha

[CptAmericaX]

No morning after pill when I was a kid.

I think you mean sorry about the baby's luck. The number one indicator of poverty in the U.S. is teen pregnancy. If kids have kids it is a virtual guarantee that both parents and child will live a life of poverty. Life of poverty often leads to life of crime. Personally I don't want to live in a society where abortions aren't allowed. As far as I know the U.S. is the only developed nation where this is still debated.

Always take a drill and hook up a coat hanger to it.... or just put a bottle of asprin in her chero's

[MASTER]

If I unexpectedly got a girl pregnant, I would try my best to convince her to keep it and offer as much help as she needed. I don't consider killing a baby for my own convenience as ethical. If I am stupid enough to let it happen, then it is my responsibility. I am not completely against abortion, in certain situations it is understandable or even necessary. However, I have little respect for those that are in a position where they could easily look after a baby, but abort it for the sake of preserving their lifestyle.

[DSM4Life]

[Matt]

Ive just had the biggest shit ever, that felt like an abortion, im so proud of it....

[DSM4Life]

Ive just had the biggest shit ever, that felt like an abortion, im so proud of it....

Did it give you goose bumps ?

[Matt]

Lots.....^^^

[DSM4Life]

[jfalco]

I meant I wouldn't put my faith in carbon dating. There is absolutely no way to prove that the method is accurate in prehistoric cases. That just means when I hear someone make a statement like "this is x million years old" and try to pass it off as proven fact, I'll know their full of shit.

Most programs and books are good about using the words "scientists estimate", which is proper. Some sources state their estimates with certainty, and that is misleading for a lot of people.

I'm sure you can agree that there is currently no possible way to determine whether carbon 14 dating is accurate. After all, fossils don't come with date stamps.

And please, don't accuse me of being religious just because I don't agree with someone's theory. It's arrogant of you and it's insulting to me. I don't have a problem with religion, people can do whatever they want to. It's just not my crowd.

While you are sort of correct that there is no way to prove with certainty that carbon dating is 100% accurate, there an overwhelming amount of data which suggests that the estimates provided by carbon dating are fairly reliable. Radio isotope dating is not limited to C14. It can be done with any isotope whith slow radioactive decay. The data produced from other radio isotopes is in close agreement with that from carbon dating.

There is a principle in science know as occums razor. Basically it says that the simplest explaination is probably accurate. So what do you think is more likely:

God created the earth and everything on it about 5000 years ago in 7 days (only data to support this is a book writen by people who believed the earth was flat)

or the earth has been around much longer and people as well as all other life slowly evolved to be as we are today.

BTW carbon dating really isn't used to explain evolution, just to create a timeline of when certain things happened. Evolution can be observed in real time in bacteria. Blah Blah Blah, noone is listening anyway, don't know why I can't resist responding.

[Flagg]

this aint religious or political .


it just right and wrong . killing babies is wrong no matter what what you think of it . unless your a sick git

Is a sperm a baby? If we can quantify a single cell amoeba as life why stop there? You need sperm to create babies, prehaps masturbation and money shots should be made illegal as well.

[mho]

While you are sort of correct that there is no way to prove with certainty that carbon dating is 100% accurate, there an overwhelming amount of data which suggests that the estimates provided by carbon dating are fairly reliable. Radio isotope dating is not limited to C14. It can be done with any isotope whith slow radioactive decay. The data produced from other radio isotopes is in close agreement with that from carbon dating.

There is a principle in science know as occums razor. Basically it says that the simplest explaination is probably accurate. So what do you think is more likely:

God created the earth and everything on it about 5000 years ago in 7 days (only data to support this is a book writen by people who believed the earth was flat)
or the earth has been around much longer and people as well as all other life slowly evolved to be as we are today.

BTW carbon dating really isn't used to explain evolution, just to create a timeline of when certain things happened. Evolution can be observed in real time in bacteria. Blah Blah Blah, noone is listening anyway, don't know why I can't resist responding.

I'm not even sure how to respond to this. Nothing that I've said has anything to do with religious beliefs or evolution.

I'm glad we can agree carbon dating can not be proven accurate in all instances.

[mho]

Is a sperm a baby? If we can quantify a single cell amoeba as life why stop there? You need sperm to create babies, prehaps masturbation and money shots should be made illegal as well.

I think he's talking about killing a baby once it becomes a human. Just a guess.

[ni4ni]

holy shit...this is still going

[jfalco]

I'm not even sure how to respond to this. Nothing that I've said has anything to do with religious beliefs or evolution.

I'm glad we can agree carbon dating can not be proven accurate in all instances.

Sorry I assumed that since you chimed in about carbon dating you were part of the religion crowd who first brought up carbon dating. My bad.

And we don't agree.

[Flagg]

I think he's talking about killing a baby once it becomes a human. Just a guess.

Yeah but at what point after a sperm has fertilised an egg does it become human? Immediately? Two days time? Three weeks later? I personally dont think a blastocyte can be considered human, it's just a ball of 150 cells that havent even differentiated yet nor is it sentient. Yet it's immoral to use that for stem cell research?

[Polska]

U can say im a ignorant dick for not haven enough compassion for humans but i could say ur a selfish dick for thinking humans have so many more rights then everthing else on this planet. U have ur thoughts and i have mine to each ther own and if ur pro choise then so be it dont have a girl get one but i know im not about to bring a kid in this fvckd up world. To each ther own boss

I guess you missed the class where they taught about punctuation?

[Polska]

This thread is going to run for pages...

My opinion is if you're man (or woman) enough to f uck you are willing to accept the possible consequences.

If you're not ready or able to raise a kid give it up for adoption.

[mho]

Yeah but at what point after a sperm has fertilised an egg does it become human? Immediately? Two days time? Three weeks later? I personally dont think a blastocyte can be considered human, it's just a ball of 150 cells that havent even differentiated yet nor is it sentient. Yet it's immoral to use that for stem cell research?

After about 8 weeks the baby has a heartbeat and begins to take on the form of a human. So I'll just say it's probably sometime before that. I'm not a biologist or doctor so I don't know for certain.

[mho]

This thread is going to run for pages...

My opinion is if you're man (or woman) enough to f uck you are willing to accept the possible consequences.

If you're not ready or able to raise a kid give it up for adoption.

Good call. Or you could just do what I always do and pull out and put a load on her back. In 5 years of marriage, it hasn't failed me yet

[Anabolios]

This thread is going to run for pages...

My opinion is if you're man (or woman) enough to f uck you are willing to accept the possible consequences.

If you're not ready or able to raise a kid give it up for adoption.

Agreed. Abortion is ridiculous and as I mentioned before I did not have this opinion before having a baby born that was very close to me (neice)

[Schmidty]

So, back to my original response to you. If we are so overpopulated (which we are not) why dont you off yourself and make some room?

survival boss. I am ready to die when i die butim not about to slit my wrist ovr it. If it was up to me the world would be on a birth limit to. We are no diff then a animal just because we cook our food and put clothes on doesntmean shit we still have natural instincts that drive us and repopulating is one of them. We could both sit n here and say"" Who are u to say we are or are not vr populated" Seems to me we are and it seems to u we are not. Anywho this isnt a thread about u or i, PM me if u wana talk more about it

[Schmidty]

I guess you missed the class where they taught about punctuation?

no its just not a fvckn essay and im not really that worried about it

[Schmidty]

I say go read a modest purposal and get back to me lofl

[Hoggage_54]

This thread is out of control... Time to restore order!!!

[Hoggage_54]

[SMCengineer]

The only thing I'm gonna add is that 'pro-choice' and 'pro-life' are the two most feebleminded euphemisms ever and shouldn't be used by anyone when discussing abortion. Ever.

[Anabolios]

My sister showed me a video she watched at the doctors or wherever it was. It was called silent scream and it shows what a baby is @ 16 weeks. Also that the baby can feet pain during the abortion while its being sucked through a tube.

[RA]

I was always there for the ultra sounds of my 4. Pretty amazing to see a tiny little person rolling and jumping inside his/her mother.

My sister showed me a video she watched at the doctors or wherever it was. It was called silent scream and it shows what a baby is @ 16 weeks. Also that the baby can feet pain during the abortion while its being sucked through a tube.

[CptAmericaX]

My buddies wifes friend came down from her state on state funds to have a abortion here at 6 months, they are no kidding having her have the baby premature and then lethal injecting that sh*T makes me fking sick!